WW CXXVI: Wolves in Asgard - Game Over (Result in Post 2538)

[mckerney]

I've been guessing 5 myself. Anyone else want to chime in?

5 has been the assumption I'd been working with all game, though I hadn't been considering conversion.

[hoopsguy]

I would like to see the people voting for me, outside of Racer (who has already done so) post why I'm the best candidate in their mind.

[Barkeep49]

The comment about getting lynched was in response to BK saying he wasn't sure he would be able to drum up the votes to do it. If I'm around in the thread, I'm usually pretty persuasive about not getting lynched. You can count on one hand, and still have fingers left over, the number of times that it has happened.

Right now I'm more or less keeping my daughter up later so I can try and avoid being lynched. Not exactly parent-of-the-year work on my part ... it has no bearing on me being villager/wolf, but it does indicate that I do try to fight hard for the village, especially when they are on the verge of putting me out to pasture prematurely.
I find this awesome.

[Telle]

I would like to see the people voting for me, outside of Racer (who has already done so) post why I'm the best candidate in their mind.

Well it's your or ntn right now.. and even you said you didn't want to vote for ntn.

[Zinto]

I would prefer Heinz Hoops but no one seemed to agree with me so that left me with either you or ntn. I ended up going against ntn since unless he is a wolf I feel like we gain no information from him.

[hoopsguy]

Yep, but you didn't say why you didn't want to vote NTN Telle.

[hoopsguy]

I would prefer Heinz Hoops but no one seemed to agree with me so that left me with either you or ntn. I ended up going against ntn since unless he is a wolf I feel like we gain no information from him.

And what info are you gaining from me as a villager? I want to make sure you understand your own argument.

[Telle]

I'm willing to give ntn one more day to either show up or get replaced. If neither happens tomorrow, he's lynched.

[MrBug708]

Nice HG. I just explained what werewolf was to my girlfriend.

She didn't understand and asked if it was a game vs real people

*sigh*

[hoopsguy]

I'm willing to give ntn one more day to either show up or get replaced. If neither happens tomorrow, he's lynched.

That sounds dangerously like wolf-setting-the-table logic, knowing full well I'm a villager.

Also sounds like logic I didn't immediately apply to you after the Thomkal/Autumn/Telle vote, for what it is worth.

[Telle]

Well give me a more viable candidate, hoopsguy. And convince enough of us to switch. You've got 8 minutes, btw.

[Zinto]

And what info are you gaining from me as a villager? I want to make sure you understand your own argument.


Really it is just a toss up. I have to go back and look but I am willing to guarantee we gain more from you being lynched then NTN. You both are good candidates since you are in the five people who have to be Loki

[Zinto]

I could be convinced to move to any of the other four people that could be Loki at this point. Racer made the best case for one of us and I voted along with it.

[hoopsguy]

Really it is just a toss up. I have to go back and look but I am willing to guarantee we gain more from you being lynched then NTN. You both are good candidates since you are in the five people who have to be Loki

Based on Racer's assumption of vote manipulation instead of wolf duke power ... again, want to make sure people understand the arguments you are making.

You'll be down to four people for that argument tomorrow and no closer to Loki if this vote stays here.

[hoopsguy]

I could be convinced to move to any of the other four people that could be Loki at this point. Racer made the best case for one of us and I voted along with it.

Yes, but I trust Racer a fair amount more than I trust you. So I wanted to see how you would defend your vote. To your credit, you did reply in the thread rather than ignoring the question.

[Barkeep49]

Well give me a more viable candidate, hoopsguy. And convince enough of us to switch. You've got 8 minutes, btw.
I think mau's or mckerny's reveal has to be BS. We know too many roled villagers as it stands.

[Racer]

Based on Racer's assumption of vote manipulation instead of wolf duke power ... again, want to make sure people understand the arguments you are making.

You'll be down to four people for that argument tomorrow and no closer to Loki if this vote stays here.

Three if McKerney doesn't have his scan in for you.

[hoopsguy]

The fact that the Lathum vote got zero traction today disturbs me as well. I hope that if I'm gone people don't let him keep sliding through days with minimal posting.

[Telle]

I think mau's or mckerny's reveal has to be BS. We know too many roled villagers as it stands.

I'd think one is bull.. not both. So we give mauboy tonight to prove he is who he says he is. Then go from there tomorrow.

[hoopsguy]

Three if McKerney doesn't have his scan in for you.

Maybe even two if mauboy kills one of them. And I hope that one of the "roled" players have better luck than the masses are going to have today, barring a sudden vote change.

[Barkeep49]

I'd think one is bull.. not both. So we give mauboy tonight to prove he is who he says he is. Then go from there tomorrow.
But doesn't mau's "proof" involve killing. If he kills a wolf I agree, he's good and clear. But if he's lying and kills a villager how's that different than what a wolf does?

[Barkeep49]

I'd think one is bull.. not both. So we give mauboy tonight to prove he is who he says he is. Then go from there tomorrow.
Also that augers for joining me on mckerney over mau.

[Racer]

By the way, mckerney, if you have a scan in for Hoops, you have three minutes to get a conditional scan in for someone else.

[hoopsguy]

I'd think one is bull.. not both. So we give mauboy tonight to prove he is who he says he is. Then go from there tomorrow.

Or NTN - at least that was the story two minutes ago.

Getting worse and worse vibes from Telle here. Really wish I had been around Friday night to be in thread with her when she was the one in the line of fire. I've made assumptions about her based on reading the posts after the fact, but right now I feel like they were woefully wrong.

[Telle]

But doesn't mau's "proof" involve killing. If he kills a wolf I agree, he's good and clear. But if he's lying and kills a villager how's that different than what a wolf does?

We cross our fingers that the write-up makes it's clear it's either mau or the character he claimed that did the killing.

[Telle]

Or NTN - at least that was the story two minutes ago.

Getting worse and worse vibes from Telle here. Really wish I had been around Friday night to be in thread with her when she was the one in the line of fire. I've made assumptions about her based on reading the posts after the fact, but right now I feel like they were woefully wrong.

Wow.. somebody's getting desperate.

[hoopsguy]

Wow.. somebody's getting desperate.

Hopefully I have some ability to impact the game from Valhalla.

[mckerney]

Vote Barkeep

Not sold on hoops being a wolf, but don't want to create a tie at this point.

[Barkeep49]

Vote Barkeep

Not sold on hoops being a wolf, but don't want to create a tie at this point.
Don't want to create a tie so I'll vote for someone I know to be less likely to be a wolf than others.

[JAG]

Day 6 voting as of post 2278:

hoopsguy 4 - Racer (2174), Zinto (2189), MrBug708 (2193), Telle (2249)
ntndeacon 3 - jeheinz72 (2135), mauboy1 (2220), hoopsguy (2241)
Barkeep49 2 - EagleFan (2209), mckerney (2278)
mckerney 1 - Barkeep49 (2213)
Telle 1 - Narcizo (2113)

[hoopsguy]

For the record, I won't self-vote at the end like Autumn did. I don't think you should ever do that as a villager - fight until the end, try to give the group a chance to do the right thing. Even if it is pretty clear no one seems to think I'm telling the truth here.

[MrBug708]

And that gives us...?

[hoopsguy]

Deadline.

[CrimsonFox]

_________________ <----- This line is dead.

[hoopsguy]

I don't have strong feeling on the two reveals over the past 24 hours, but don't let EF remain out there unchecked forever. And string up Telle and Lathum. Good luck.

[mckerney]

Don't want to create a tie so I'll vote for someone I know to be less likely to be a wolf than others.

I don't see it as less likely. I could be completely wrong, but I think hoops might be the least likely. Hoping to be wrong though.

[JAG]

Final day 6 voting:

hoopsguy 4 - Racer (2174), Zinto (2189), MrBug708 (2193), Telle (2249)
ntndeacon 3 - jeheinz72 (2135), mauboy1 (2220), hoopsguy (2241)
Barkeep49 2 - EagleFan (2209), mckerney (2278)
mckerney 1 - Barkeep49 (2213)
Telle 1 - Narcizo (2113)

[Barkeep49]

I don't see it as less likely. I could be completely wrong, but I think hoops might be the least likely. Hoping to be wrong though.
Mathematically me being a wolf, if you're telling the truth, is less likely as I'm guaranteed not to be Loki.

[JAG]

Tensions continue to rise after the death of another brave warrior the previous day. After a heartfelt discussion, the decision is made: ntndeacon is the traitor to Asgard. He is led to the block and silently awaits his fate. As the axe crashes down, his lifeblood flows and his illusions shimmers. In his place, you see ntndeacon the Silent, a warrior who never once uttered a battle shout.

ntndeacon was a vanilla Norse Berserker.

Processing actions, will be back with the remainder of the day in a little while.

[Telle]

Well that was unexpected. hoops.. you a duke??

[Racer]

Ugh, are you friggen kidding me.

[mckerney]

Wha?

[hoopsguy]

Well color me very, very surprised at this. I had resolved that this was a good thing and would allow me to focus on work tomorrow without being distracted by this game. As it stands, barring a duke coming out to claim his decision I'm sure I'll be fingered as a vote manipulator when I'm just as much a vanilla villager as NTN was.

[Barkeep49]

Only person to be involved in both vote shenigans in heinz though in shenanigan 1 he was on Danny not EF.

[hoopsguy]

Well that was unexpected. hoops.. you a duke??

Only werewolf role I've never gotten.

[Barkeep49]

Only person to be involved in both vote shenigans in heinz though in shenanigan 1 he was on Danny not EF.
As a voter obviously. This does not account for any sort of Duking like ability.

[MrBug708]

Whoa...

Might be for the best though

[Telle]

Only person to be involved in both vote shenigans in heinz though in shenanigan 1 he was on Danny not EF.

Yeah but he hasn't been here since mid-afternoon. No way he saw the hoops votes coming out of nowhere tonight.

[hoopsguy]

Only person to be involved in both vote shenigans in heinz though in shenanigan 1 he was on Danny not EF.

I was on EF day one and NTN today.
I've got no power to move votes, but it sure looks like I was part of "shenigans"

[Lathum]

shit, I voted Telle but didnt bold it

[MrBug708]

I can buy that a wolf is possibly setting up Hoops to take the fall the next day. If he is a villager, that's two days worth of us killing villagers.

I can also see Hoops knowing this and using this for his advantage. No offense to Racer, but I wish we had Hoops cleared on our side

[Racer]

Since it's happened twice now, I doubt this vote or the day one vote was a duke ability.

[Barkeep49]

Anyone unvote for NTN today? Perhaps Loki has some sort of power that way?

[hoopsguy]

Time to see what comes of mckerney/mauboy actions, and go from there I guess.

It would be better for me to try and handle questions tonight, after I get done putting my kid to bed. I expect to have pretty limited daytime availability tomorrow.

[MrBug708]

If Racer gets whacked, the mistletoe is up for grabs

[hoopsguy]

If Racer gets whacked, the mistletoe is up for grabs

If EF is a villager he sure seems like the most obvious play - can't be lynched, based on Day 1 and his own posts.

If mckerney is who he says he is, he would probably be 2nd target assuming Loki is a cunning wolf ... that would make sense given his character and the fact there is a secondary seer who scans only for him.

If neither of those two, or Racer, is targeted today then I don't know what to think about the trust lists. Except to have even darker thoughts on it than I did already today.

[Racer]

If EF is a villager he sure seems like the most obvious play - can't be lynched, based on Day 1 and his own posts.

If mckerney is who he says he is, he would probably be 2nd target assuming Loki is a cunning wolf ... that would make sense given his character and the fact there is a secondary seer who scans only for him.

If neither of those two, or Racer, is targeted today then I don't know what to think about the trust lists. Except to have even darker thoughts on it than I did already today.

I think mauboy could get taken out as well if he is who he says he is.

[mckerney]

I think mauboy could get taken out as well if he is who he says he is.

If he does hopefully his kill processes first and he manages to guess correctly.

[EagleFan]

If it's me, follow the mistletoe

[Barkeep49]

This is so sweet I have to get in on the act. If it's me really question mau and mckerny's reveals.

[mckerney]

If it's me then seek revenge by going after CrimsonFox.

[hoopsguy]

Maybe it was JAG? Not sure who to follow in that case.

[JAG]

While you are silently mourning the loss of ntndeacon, you hear a surprised yelp and note two of your number are gone. You hear the snarl of two terrible enemies locked in combat and rush to the scene. mckerney and Zinto appear to be grappling with each other. mckerney grunts from a dagger being shoved into his side, but gains the upper hand on Zinto, forces him to the ground, and snaps his neck. Zinto shimmers and his illusion is removed, revealing his lifeless body as that of Loki the Trickster himself. mckerney, or Heimdall as you now know him, savors the victory only for a moment before he stumbles to the ground frothing at the mouth and he dies before your eyes. You turn to the dagger that wounded him and note it is dripping with poison.

As if this wasn't enough excitement for one evening, you also find the lifeless body of Narcizo, who appeared to die of natural causes, or at least you are unable to determine what could have caused the death. He was Naricizo of the North, a valiant warrior from a frigid land.

mckerney was Heimdall
Zinto was Loki
Naricizo was a vanilla Norse Berserker

ntndeacon and Narcizo have also ascended to Valhalla

Day 7 begins

[Zinto]

:(

[Barkeep49]

Ok so I'm going to say mau was the real deal.

[Barkeep49]

I didn't read the writeup carefully.

[Zinto]

Dead villagers when you get a chance Jag :)

[Barkeep49]

Ok so mau wasn't the real deal and mckerney killed Zinto? Is that what others are reading?

[mckerney]

Gotcha. :)

Good luck the rest of the way out brave Vikings!

[Telle]

mckerney definitely killed Zinto... I'm confused about Narcizo's death. Sure doesn't sound like he was killed by a sword.

[mauchow]

I did put a hurt on narcizo.

[Telle]

I did put a hurt on narcizo.

Well I think you have some explaining to do. As I just stated, it sure doesn't sound like he was killed by a sword.

[mauchow]

Well I think you have some explaining to do. As I just stated, it sure doesn't sound like he was killed by a sword.

It is a magic sword.

[EagleFan]

vote mau

[mauchow]

Believe me, I'm as confused as you as to why he died like that..

[Barkeep49]

So you're saying the wolves got nobody last night then mau?

[mauchow]

vote mau

Not sure why.

[Racer]

Yeah, agreed, it doesn't sound like he was killed by a sword.

[Barkeep49]

vote mau

I thought either his or mckerney's role had to be fake given the rules. mckerney has been proven to be honest (sorry about that mckerney) so that leaves me mau as a suspect.

[Barkeep49]

Especially because he's claiming credit for the kill when there's no apparent wolf kill.

[Telle]

I'm assuming that Loki tried to kill mckerney, and ended up dying himself for the effort. I believe mauboy killed narcizo... I'm just a bit perplexed about how the write-up fits with what we expected from the character.

[mauchow]

So you're saying the wolves got nobody last night then mau?

The way I read it the wolves got Mckerney but Mckerney killed him during the attack. Re-reading those two roles they were destined to die on the battlefield.

[EagleFan]

Not sure why.

What exactly did you do for the night phase?

[mauchow]

Not sure why the sudden unbelievability.

[EagleFan]

Can you still use the sword or was it a one time use? If you can still use it who will you go after next?

[mauchow]

What exactly did you do for the night phase?

I told my sword to kill Narcizo. It looks as though it did it's duty and actually never came back. I'm assuming the sword has been lost as I was told it might.

[EagleFan]

unvote mau

I'll think it over for the night.


vote hoops

[Barkeep49]

Not sure why the sudden unbelievability.
I was always a bit skeptical.

[hoopsguy]

It is a magic sword.

A magical sword that kills by way of "natural causes"?

[mauchow]

I was always a bit skeptical.

That's fine but that still doesn't change the fact that I put an order in to kill narcizo with my sword.

[hoopsguy]

unvote mau

I'll think it over for the night.


vote hoops

Crazy.

So you believe that mau got a nightkill and the wolves missed yet another one? Or are you thinking that Heimdell killed Loki, but was poisoned by mauboy?

All of those explanations are pretty preposterous. Mau got the wolves a weapon, and stayed alive for an extra day.

[hoopsguy]

Last I saw, Freyr's sword wasn't a dagger dripping with poison.

VOTE MAUBOY

[Racer]

By the way, as the main gunner on Hoops, I think it's worth pointing out that Zinto "voted" for Danny on day one and "voted" for Hoops tonight. If you flip his votes, it flips who gets lynched. Just a hunch, but I'm guessing that's what happened.

[mauchow]

Crazy.

So you believe that mau got a nightkill and the wolves missed yet another one? Or are you thinking that Heimdell killed Loki, but was poisoned by mauboy?

All of those explanations are pretty preposterous. Mau got the wolves a weapon, and stayed alive for an extra day.

I'm not sure why it's being read that the wolves didn't get a kill last night - Heimdell fucking died because LOKI attacked him. That sounds like a night kill attack to me. Why would the wolves get two night kill shots?

[hoopsguy]

That's fine but that still doesn't change the fact that I put an order in to kill narcizo with my sword.

You put in an order to kill Narcizo, but did it as a wolf who had acquired a sword he would have to pass to another wolf.

[mauchow]

Last I saw, Freyr's sword wasn't a dagger dripping with poison.

VOTE MAUBOY

As if this wasn't enough excitement for one evening, you also find the lifeless body of Narcizo, who appeared to die of natural causes, or at least you are unable to determine what could have caused the death. He was Naricizo of the North, a valiant warrior from a frigid land.

Where do you see dripping with poison?

[Racer]

By flipping his votes, I mean I think he really may have voted for EagleFan and ntndeacon. That begs the question though, was Zinto trying to protect Hoops or set him up?

[hoopsguy]

I'm not sure why it's being read that the wolves didn't get a kill last night - Heimdell fucking died because LOKI attacked him. That sounds like a night kill attack to me. Why would the wolves get two night kill shots?

Swear all you want, but it doesn't change the write-up. And it doesn't change what mckerney wrote about his role being a "Loki-seeker". mckerney did his job and died in the process.

You die next, "Freyr".

[EagleFan]

Did mckerney say that he could be killed by only Loki?

Trying to piece this together. I wonder if he knew that he would kill Loki if he was attacked by Loki. If that is the case I bet that he was lying about being immune to the other wolves' attacks in an attempt to lure Loki out.

I'll have to look back at that. If that is the case than mau could be telling the truth.

None of the other kills mention natural causes so this may be a sign that it was something other than a wolf attack on Narc.

[mauchow]

Swear all you want, but it doesn't change the write-up. And it doesn't change what mckerney wrote about his role being a "Loki-seeker". mckerney did his job and died in the process.

You die next, "Freyr".

Ah, I misread the result actually. I see what you're saying now.

Anyway, doesn't change the fact that I am Freyr and my magic sword put a spell on Narcizo in some way or form.

[hoopsguy]

As if this wasn't enough excitement for one evening, you also find the lifeless body of Narcizo, who appeared to die of natural causes, or at least you are unable to determine what could have caused the death. He was Naricizo of the North, a valiant warrior from a frigid land.

Where do you see dripping with poison?

Heimdell dead, from battle with Loki (dripping poison).
Loki dead, from battle with Heimdell.
Narcizo dead, "appeared to die of natural causes".

I must have forgotten all the Norse legends about magical swords that kill giants by making them appear to die of natural causes. Perhaps you can direct me to them.

You know you've got a lousy argument today. I'm not sure what kind of write-up you were hoping to get, but this is night and day different from what we saw with EagleFan/Balder and mckerney/Heimdell. Anyone who is around that isn't voting for you is willfully ignoring the facts that are in front of all of us.

[hoopsguy]

Did mckerney say that he could be killed by only Loki?

Trying to piece this together. I wonder if he knew that he would kill Loki if he was attacked by Loki. If that is the case I bet that he was lying about being immune to the other wolves' attacks in an attempt to lure Loki out.

I'll have to look back at that. If that is the case than mau could be telling the truth.

None of the other kills mention natural causes so this may be a sign that it was something other than a wolf attack on Narc.

Heimdell said he could only be killed by Loki attack and was immune to Loki's abilities. I'll go find the post to quote it.

[mauchow]

Heimdell dead, from battle with Loki (dripping poison).
Loki dead, from battle with Heimdell.
Narcizo dead, "appeared to die of natural causes".

I must have forgotten all the Norse legends about magical swords that kill giants by making them appear to die of natural causes. Perhaps you can direct me to them.

You know you've got a lousy argument today. I'm not sure what kind of write-up you were hoping to get, but this is night and day different from what we saw with EagleFan/Balder and mckerney/Heimdell. Anyone who is around that isn't voting for you is willfully ignoring the facts that are in front of all of us.

Yes, that you're a wolf who has avoided lynch and is now connected in some way with Zinto possibly.

[hoopsguy]

I figure that since we don't have much to go on right now I may as well reveal as Heimdall and hope that the small amount of information I have can somehow help us.

First, I mentioned that I thought Chubby was probably killed by Loki because he may have stronger attacks, the reason I think that is because Loki is the only wolf who can kill me. I'm immune to the abilities of Loki and attacks of wolves other than Loki, but not attacks from Loki. The abilities part makes me think that Loki may indeed have a conversion ability, but if you ask me it's not worth pursuing at this point unless we really do want to do the no lynch vote as mau suggested. I think we're better off going for a different target though. I'm somewhat more confident revealing with the belief that Loki used an action last night so if he's not able to be the one to attack or use an ability two nights in a row then I should be safe to perform another scan tonight.

I can also tell you that Telle is not Loki, so if the thought was that Loki created the fake hammer than Telle isn't the one who created the fake. It doesn't clear her since she could have passed it off to Loki, or we could be wrong that Loki needed to create the fake, but it's probably something worth considering. Other still alive that I know are not Loki are Barkeep and MrBug.

Quoted as a reference for EF and anyone else who needs to review Heimdell's abilities.

[Racer]

By flipping his votes, I mean I think he really may have voted for EagleFan and ntndeacon. That begs the question though, was Zinto trying to protect Hoops or set him up?

To further discuss this, I seriously doubt Zinto expected to killed tonight.

[EagleFan]

Heimdell said he could only be killed by Loki attack and was immune to Loki's abilities. I'll go find the post to quote it.

There you go, there is your wolf attack last night. Loki attacked mckerney.

If mckerney did lie in order to lure out Loki I say bravo.

You seem extremely wolfish at this point, like a wolf in desparation.

[hoopsguy]

Yes, that you're a wolf who has avoided lynch and is now connected in some way with Zinto possibly.

Cool, vote for me.

With you out in the open we'll have four wolves dead by the end of Day 8 latest. And I'll be embarrassed if it isn't by the end of Day 7, frankly. That is awfully good for a game with no seer.

mckerney really broke this game open for us today, but we were going to learn about mauboy already tonight after that write-up.

[hoopsguy]

There you go, there is your wolf attack last night. Loki attacked mckerney.

If mckerney did lie in order to lure out Loki I say bravo.

You seem extremely wolfish at this point, like a wolf in desparation.

Look, do what you need to do with your vote. If you really think that mauboy is Freyr, I can't help you.

[EagleFan]

Quoted as a reference for EF and anyone else who needs to review Heimdell's abilities.

Thank you, I think that makes my point. He did a great job of luring him out.

[mauchow]

Cool, vote for me.

With you out in the open we'll have four wolves dead by the end of Day 8 latest. And I'll be embarrassed if it isn't by the end of Day 7, frankly. That is awfully good for a game with no seer.

mckerney really broke this game open for us today, but we were going to learn about mauboy already tonight after that write-up.

Your honor, I object! Hearsay!

You're assuming I am a wolf, which I am not.

[Racer]

Thinking out loud here.

With as much back and fourth in this thread between Hoops and Mauboy, I'd be careful about trusting either one to much if the other comes up wolf.

[EagleFan]

Zinto tried to save hoops, only way it would be a setup is if he believed that he was going to be killed tonight.

[hoopsguy]

I'll just go ahead and nightfall it - there is nothing that is going to move me off of mauboy over the next 23 hours.

VOTE NIGHTFALL

[mauchow]

I still think we need to look at Telle and Lathum possibly.

I am done for the night though. Exhausted.

[Racer]

Thank you, I think that makes my point. He did a great job of luring him out.

Yeah, Mckerney has to be the MVP of the game so far.

[EagleFan]

Thinking out loud here.

With as much back and fourth in this thread between Hoops and Mauboy, I'd be careful about trusting either one to much if the other comes up wolf.

I lean more towards trusting mau than hoops as I can see the exact scenario play out as I described.

hoops is acting much more like a desperate wolf at this point. Especially since their plan fell apart when mckerney came up huge for us. Sorry I doubted you mckerney.

[Racer]

Zinto tried to save hoops, only way it would be a setup is if he believed that he was going to be killed tonight.

Yeah which I'm doubting. However, it could be a setup IF he wanted him to be the lead candidate for the following day. That's a very real possibility. We have a lot more info to process now over the next 20+ hours with Zarc, ntn, and Mckerney as confirmed villagers and Zinto a confirmed baddie and the likely cause of vote manipulation.

[hoopsguy]

I still think we need to look at Telle and Lathum possibly.

I am done for the night though. Exhausted.

Crazy to think about this on Day 7 with what we have in front of us. I'm 100% fine with a showdown between you and me in this spot. And if people think I'm somehow putting on a show with you, they can come around to me the following day. Or lynch you the following day, but honestly that would be a pretty spectacular fail to accept that mauboy had anything to do with Narcizo's death.

Now if he wants to change his story and suggest that he killed mckerney, who at least fell to a blade instead of natural causes ... nope, can't do that either as he is already posted multiple times that he hit Narcizo.

[MrBug708]

I trust you got something Racer?

[hoopsguy]

I lean more towards trusting mau than hoops as I can see the exact scenario play out as I described.

hoops is acting much more like a desperate wolf at this point. Especially since their plan fell apart when mckerney came up huge for us. Sorry I doubted you mckerney.

In Shawshank Redemption, this is where Andy calls the warden "obtuse".

[EagleFan]

If there were 5 starting wolves we're looking at 7-2 at this point. After getting hoops tomorrow we need to find the last remaining one. Would that wolf care to step forward?

[Racer]

I also think Telle could possibly be someone to look at again (probably not someone to vote for tomorrow though). She spends a lot of time in the thread before making her vote (much more so then others). She could be a villager making well thought out votes or a wolf discussing with the other wolves on who to put a vote on.

I think I've played with a couple of games with her before but I don't remember much about her. Does she take time to make votes whether she's a villager or a wolf?

Also, did Zinto ever touch the hammer? That might provide us with a little insight on wolves and items.

[hoopsguy]

If there were 5 starting wolves we're looking at 7-2 at this point. After getting hoops tomorrow we need to find the last remaining one. Would that wolf care to step forward?

If you weren't converted, and the last remaining wolf after mauboy, I can't remotely explain the stance you are taking here.

However, since there still seem to be questions about Freyr's sword that killed Narcizo "of natural causes" let me go source material:

Freyr - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freyr)

And that references the actual poem detailing the sword:

"My steed I lend thee
to lift thee o'er the weird
ring of flickering flame,
the sword also
which swings itself,
if wise be he who wields it."

The sword swings itself, which I'm guessing would leave a mark. Or two, or three. But usually death by magical sword, or any sword, for that matter, is not confused with natural causes.

[Racer]

I trust you got something Racer?

Yeah I got it.

[hoopsguy]

Also, in case people are forgetting why there wouldn't be a counter to mauboy's claim ... from the rules page:

"Roles that may be in the game (1 or more are in the game, all roles listed below are on the side of Good, the forces of Evil will know 1-2 of these roles that are not in the game, and there is one role present in the game which is not listed):"

[Racer]

For now,

Vote Hoopsguy

Hoops just seems desperate right now. He voted night fall very quickly. With so much more information out there to process, I think that's very rash decision since I don't think you can reverse it if I read the rules correctly. I don't think that's something a great villager would likely do, even one that would be facing a lot of heat the next day.

More of a place holder vote then anything though.

[Racer]

Also, in case people are forgetting why there wouldn't be a counter to mauboy's claim ... from the rules page:

"Roles that may be in the game (1 or more are in the game, all roles listed below are on the side of Good, the forces of Evil will know 1-2 of these roles that are not in the game, and there is one role present in the game which is not listed):"

Yeah, I haven't forgotten. You just seem really desperate right now. Also, it should be added just because someone's item is in the game doesn't mean that player is in the game.

[hoopsguy]

Racer, I don't have to process information around me or why I escaped the lynch when I had the most votes. So that makes this easier for me, I'll accept that.

I'm not going to be around a ton tomorrow. I haven't heard anyone dispute anything I've posted about mauboy claiming that his dancing sword killed someone of natural causes. Contrast that to the write-ups on Thor being injured, Thor dying, and Heimdell/Loki showdown and propose how mauboy can be telling the truth.

[hoopsguy]

Yeah, I haven't forgotten. You just seem really desperate right now. Also, it should be added just because someone's item is in the game doesn't mean that player is in the game.

Not suggesting you had, but we've got a few villagers in the game who might have overlooked this in a rush to give the wolves enough votes to hang me.

I'm not desperate - I don't need to be. I'm just sure enough that there isn't a reason to change my vote. We've got Loki out of the game, so there wouldn't be a reason to say "oh shoot, we might want to trade one wolf for a better wolf!"

If I get taken out, the villagers still have a clear path to the next wolf. And with four wolves voting information, they should be able to make reasonable decisions even if Narc isn't around to post his vote/unvote charts (they are pretty easy with fewer players around, in case someone wants to take up that mantle).

[hoopsguy]

OK, I was sticking around to answer questions but I've got three votes and no one seems particularly interested in asking me questions directly - just suggesting that I'm desperate, I guess.

I think I've made it pretty clear why I think mauboy is a wolf. It has nothing to do with role information, items I have, private messages, or anything of the sort. It is all based on his conduct in the thread assuming a role that he has failed to validate in the night kill tonight. It is all information that is just as available to everyone else to process. I'm actually stunned that we've had as many people pass through here tonight and that I'm the only person with a vote on mauboy.

[MrBug708]

To be fair, I feel less certain of Telle than you HG, but it seems there isn't much evidence to go to her over you.

[hoopsguy]

To be fair, I feel less certain of Telle than you HG, but it seems there isn't much evidence to go to her over you.

Then turn it into a mauboy/hoopsguy referendum - take everyone else out of the mix for today, as it is minimizing your chances of catching a wolf.

If you still think I'm the more likely wolf than him, vote me and get the day over with. Then you'll see I'm a vanilla villager, and you'll go bag mauboy tomorrow and still be in control of the game.

I would prefer we get mauboy first, but I'm not going to be too picky about it. There is a seat in Valhalla waiting for me, and if I've done such a poor job of accumulating trust in this game that people would leave votes on me over mauboy given the writeup tonight and his claims earlier in the day ... well, then I deserve to be lynched.

[Racer]

DAY ONE

#67 22:03 Lathum votes Heinz (1)
#72 22:47 EagleFan votes Autumn (0)
#75 23:27 Barkeep votes EagleFan (1)
#80 00:30 Ntndeacon votes Danny (1)
#90 02:30 Narcizo votes Lathum (1)
#94 04:06 mckerney votes ntndeacon (1)
#97 07:03 Hoops votes EagleFan (2)

#106 09:36 Autumn votes Chubby (1)
#117 10:11 Bhlloy votes Chubby (2)
#126 10:52 Lathum unvotes Heinz (0)
#126 10:52 Lathum votes Danny (2)
#134 11:25 MrBug votes Zinto (1)
#147 11:47 Racer voes Thomkal (1)
#150 12:47 Heinz votes Racer (1)
#165 13:32 EagleFan unvotes Autumn (-1)
#165 13:32 EageFan votes Chubby (3)
#171 13:55 Zinto votes Lathum (2)

#174 14:20 Autumn unvotes Chubby (2)
#174 14:20 Autumn votes EagleFan (3)
#178 15:03 Telle votes Autumn (0)
#195 16:02 Chubby votes Lathum (3)
#204 16:53 Lathum unvotes Danny (1)
#204 16:53 Lathum votes Chubby (3)
#205 16:53 Telle unvotes Autumn (-1)
#205 16:53 Telle votes Danny (2)

#217 17:11 Heinz unvotes Racer (0)
#217 17:11 Heinz votes Danny (3)
#222 17:38 Racer unvotes Thomkal (0)
#222 17:38 Racer votes EagleFan (4)
#224 17:40 Thomkal votes Lathum (4)
#236 18:18 Darth Vilus votes Chubby (4)
#238 18:21 Dubb93 votes Danny (4)
#270 19:42 mau votes Danny (5)
#271 19:45 mau unvotes Danny (4)
#273 19:45 mau votes Chubby (5)
#276 19:46 J23 votes EagleFan (5)

#294 21:02 EagleFan unvotes Chubby (4)
#297 21:07 EagleFan votes Autumn (0)
#300 21:13 Lathum unvotes Chubby (3)
#300 21:13 Lathum votes EagleFan (6)
#307 21:25 Racer unvotes EagleFan (5)
#307 21:25 Racer votes Danny (5)

#308 21:33 EagleFan unvotes Autumn (-1)
#308 21:33 EagleFan votes Danny (6)
#309 21:34 Lathum unvotes EagleFan (4)
#309 21:34 Lathum votes Chubby (4)
#310 21:34 Danny votes EagleFan (5)
#320 21:48 Zinto unvotes Lathum (3)
#320 21:48 Zinto votes Danny (7)

#324 21:51 Danny unvotes EagleFan (4)
#324 21:51 Danny votes Chubby (5)
#344 22:00 Chubby unvotes Lathum (2)
#344 22:00 Chubby votes EagleFan (5)
#346 22:00 Danny unvotes Chubby (4)
#346 22:00 Danny votes EagleFan (6)

Danny 7: ntndeacon (80), Telle (205), jeheinz72 (217), dubb93 (238), Racer (307), EagleFan (308), Zinto (320)
EagleFan 6: Barkeep49 (75), hoopsguy (97), Autumn (174), J23 (276), Chubby (344), Danny (346)
Chubby 4: bhlloy (117), Darth Vilus (236), mauboy1 (273), Lathum (309)
Lathum 2: Narcizo (90), Thomkal (224)
ntndeacon 1: mckerney (94)
Zinto 1: MrBug708 (134)

Day Two

#403 22:30 Chubby votes Lathum (1)
#429 22:51 Autumn votes Danny (1)
#470 05:58 Narcizo votes Mauboy (1)
#492 09:01 Danny votes Heinz (1)
#494 09:15 Zinto votes Danny (2)
#499 09:21 Barkeep votes Danny (3)
#501 09:32 Lathum votes Chubby (1)
#502 09:43 Bhlloy votes MrBug (1)
#508 09:59 Narcizo unvotes Mau (0)

#514 10:27 Danny Fake Reveals

#525 10:48 Autumn unvotes Danny (2)
#553 11:08 Autumn votes Darth Vilus (1)
#535 11:14 Heinz votes Racer (1)
#581 12:25 Bhlloy unvotes MrBug (0)
#583 12:31 EagleFan votes Lathum (2)
#607 13:17 Narcizo votes ntndeacon (1)
#609 13:27 Racer votes J23 (1)
#610 13:30 Zinto unvotes Danny (1)
#620 13:49 Zinto votes J23 (2)

#644 14:24 Darth Vilus votes Chubby (2)
#652 14:37 Barkeep unvotes Danny (0)
#652 14:37 Barkeep votes Chubby (3)
#656 14:40 ntndeacon votes Heinz (2)
#670 15:09 EagleFan unvotes Lathum (1)
#670 15:09 EagleFan votes Chubby (4)
#675 15:16 mckerney votes Chubby (5)
#681 15:37 Autumn unvotes DV (0)
#681 15:37 Autumn votes Heinz (3)
#685 15:58 Barkeep unvotes Chubby (4)
#690 16:21 Heinz unvotes Racer (0)
#690 16:21 Heinz votes Chubby (5)

#694 16:38 Chubby Semi-Reveals

#694 16:38 Chubby unvotes Lathum (0)
#694 16:38 Chubby votes Danny (1)
#696 16:40 Heinz unvotes Chubby (4)
#696 16:40 Heinz votes ntn (2)
#700 16:53 J23 votes Danny (2)
#704 16:57 Zinto unvotes J23 (1)
#705 16:59 Autumn unvotes Heinz (2)
#705 16:59 Autumn votes Danny (3)
#709 17:06 NTN unvotes Heinz (1)
#709 17:06 NTN votes Chubby (5)
#713 17:14 Zinto votes Danny (4)
#714 17:22 Mau votes Danny (5)

#722 17:31 Racer unvotes J23 (0)
#734 17:49 Racer votes Hoops (1)
#743 18:05 Hoops votes Danny (6)
#768 18:50 Racer unvotes Hoops (0)
#768 18:50 Racer votes Chubby (6)
#769 18:58 Barkeep votes Danny (7)
#774 19:04 Racer unvotes Chubby (5)
#777 19:15 Danny unvotes Heinz (0)
#777 19:15 Danny votes Chubby (6)

#782 19:21 Racer votes Lathum (1)
#786 19:26 NTN unvotes Chubby (5)
#787 19:27 NTN votes Heinz (1)
#809 21:00 Telle votes NTN (3)
#810 21:01 Racer unvotes Lathum (0)
#817 21:09 Bhlloy votes Chubby (6)
#818 21:09 Racer votes NTN (4)

#852 21:46 EagleFan unvotes Chubby (5)
#863 21:53 Lathum unvotes Chubby (4)
#863 21:53 Lathum votes Danny (8)
#865 21:55 Racer unvotes NTN (3)
#865 21:55 Racer votes Danny (9)
#867 21:55 EagleFan votes Danny (10)
#871 21:58 Thomkal votes Danny (11)
#874 21:58 MrBug votes Danny (12)


Danny 12 - Chubby (694), J23 (700), Autumn (706), Zinto (713), mauboy1 (714), hoopsguy (744), Barkeep49 (769), Lathum (863), Racer (865), EagleFan (867), Thomkal (871), MrBug708 (874)
Chubby 4 - Darth Vilus (644), mckerney (675), Danny (777), bhlloy (817)
ntndeacon 3 - Narcizo (607), jeheinz72 (694), Telle (809)
jeheinz72 1 - ntndeacon (787)

Day Three

#934 05:18 Chubby votes Lathum (1)
#940 07:46 Narcizo votes Darth Vilus (1)
#942 07:57 Heinz votes ntndeacon (1)
#950 09:22 Autumn votes Darth Vilus (2)
#957 09:39 Autumn unvotes Darth Vilus (1)
#957 09:39 Autumn votes Barkeep (1)
#966 10:42 Racer votes Barkeep (2)
#974 10:56 Thomkal votes Lathum (2)

#988 11:14 ntndeacon votes Lathum (3)
#1012 13:50 MrBug votes Lathum (4)
#1024 14:18 Zinto votes ntndeacon (2)
#1030 15:08 Barkeep votes Darth Vilus (2)
#1035 15:58 EagleFan votes Lathum (5)
#1049 16:51 mckerney votes Darth Vilus (3)
#1065 17:36 J23 votes Darth Vilus (4)
#1076 17:52 Lathum votes Darth Vilus (5)

#1099 19:25 Darth Vilus votes Lathum (6)
#1108 20:04 Autumn unvotes Barkeep (1)
#1108 20:04 Autumn votes Darth Vilus (6)
#1110 20:08 Racer unvotes Barkeep (0)
#1110 20:08 Racer votes Darth Vilus (7)
#1111 20:10 Racer unvotes Darth Vilus (6)
#1111 20:10 Racer votes Barkeep (1)
#1114 20:11 Autumn unvotes Darth Vilus (5)
#1114 20:11 Autumn votes Barkeep (2)
#1117 20:12 Zinto unvotes ntn (1)
#1117 20:12 Zinto votes Barkeep (3)

#1119 20:25 Darth Vilus unvotes Lathum (5)
#1119 20:25 Darth Vilus votes Barkeep (4)
#1129 20:44 Lathum unvotes DV (4)
#1129 20:44 Lathum votes Barkeep (5)
#1136 20:50 ntn unvotes Lathum (4)
#1136 20:50 ntn votes DV (5)
#1140 20:53 Lathum unvotes Barkeep (4)
#1140 20:53 Lathum votes DV (6)

#1153 21:04 mau votes Barkeep (5)
#1188 21:30 Darth Vilus unvotes Barkeep (4)
#1188 21:30 Darth Vilus votes Lathum (5)
#1200 21:42 Hoops votes Darth Vilus (7)
#1202 21:43 Telle votes Lathum (6)
#1204 21:44 Racer unvotes Barkeep (3)
#1204 21:44 Racer votes Darth Vilus (8)
#1206 21:46 Autumn unvotes Barkeep (2)
#1206 21:46 Autumn votes Lathum (7)
#1223 21:52 Zinto unvotes Barkeep (1)
#1223 21:52 Zinto votes DV (9)
#1229 21:53 Chubby unvotes Lathum (6)
#1229 21:53 Chubby votes DV (10)

Darth Vilus 10 - Narcizo (940), Barkeep49 (1030), mckerney (1049), J23 (1065), ntndeacon (1136), Lathum (1140), hoopsguy (1200), Racer (1204), Zinto (1223), Chubby (1229)
Lathum 6 - Thomkal (974), MrBug708 (1012), EagleFan (1035), Darth Vilus (1188), Telle (1202), Autumn (1206)
Barkeep49 1 - mauboy1 (1153)
ntndeacon 1 - jeheinz72 (942)

Day Four


#1348 09:37 Autumn votes Barkeep (1)
#1349 09:39 Narcizo votes Thomkal (1)
#1374 11:57 EagleFan votes Hoops (1)
#1385 12:47 Barkeep votes Hoops (2)
#1395 12:56 Hoops votes Autumn (1)
#1399 13:15 Barkeep unvotes Hoops (1)
#1399 13:15 Barkeep votes Autumn (2)
#1405 13:43 Lathum votes Autumn (3)
#1406 13:45 EagleFan unvotes Hoops (0)
#1406 13:45 EagleFan votes Barkeep (2)

#1413 14:05 Zinto votes Thomkal (2)
#1415 14:27 Heinz votes Thomkal (3)
#1441 16:09 Racer votes Thomkal (4)
#1461 17:53 ntn votes Autumn (4)
#1471 18:21 mauboy votes Autumn (5)
#1481 19:02 Chubby votes Telle (1)
#1482 19:02 mckerney votes Autumn (6)
#1496 19:26 MrBug votes Telle (2)

#1504 20:44 Thomkal votes Telle (3)
#1506 20:49 EagleFan unvotes Barkeep (1)
#1506 20:49 EagleFan votes Telle (4)
#1512 21:09 Barkeep unvotes Autumn (5)
#1512 21:09 Barkeep votes Telle (5)
#1514 21:10 Autumn unvotes Barkeep (0)
#1514 21:10 Autumn votes Telle (6)

#1517 21:16 Telle votes Autumn (6)
#1529 21:26 Autumn unvotes Telle (5)
#1530 21:26 Lathum unvotes Autumn (5)
#1530 21:26 Lathum votes Telle (6)
#1537 21:34 Autumn votes Thomkal (5)
#1541 21:35 Telle unvotes Autumn (4)
#1541 21:35 Telle votes Thomkal (6)

#1560 21:46 EagleFan unvotes Telle (5)
#1576 21:53 Lathum unvotes Telle (4)
#1576 21:53 Lathum votes Thomkal (7)
#1585 21:55 EagleFan votes Thomkal (8)
#1592 21:59 Mauboy unvotes Autumn (3)
#1592 21:59 Mauboy votes Thomkal (9)

Thomkal 9 - Narcizo (1349), Zinto (1413), jeheinz72 (1415), Racer (1441), Autumn (1537), Telle (1541), Lathum (1576), EagleFan (1585), mauboy1 (1592)
Telle 4 - Chubby (1481), MrBug708 (1496), Thomkal (1504), Barkeep49 (1512)
Autumn 3 - hoopsguy (1395), ntndeacon (1463), mckerney (1482)

Day Five

#1692 Sat EagleFan votes Narcizo (1)
#1706 Sun Lathum votes Telle (1)
#1717 Sun Chubby votes Telle (2)
#1718 Sun Autumn votes Zinto (1)
#1761 07:52 Barkeep votes Autumn (1)
#1768 08:10 mauboy votes Zinto (2)
#1769 08:27 Nacizo votes Telle (3)

#1783 10:03 EagleFan unvotes Narcizo (0)
#1783 10:03 EagleFan votes Zinto (3)
#1800 13:52 Racer votes Autumn (2)
#1809 14:09 Heinz votes Autumn (3)
#1815 14:25 EagleFan unvotes Zinto (2)
#1815 14:25 EagleFan votes Autumn (4)
#1821 15:11 MrBug votes Autumn (5)
#1827 15:32 Heinz unvotes Autumn (4)
#1827 15:32 Heinz votes Mauboy (1)

#1861 16:51 Racer unvotes Autumn (3)
#1861 16:51 Racer votes ntn (1)
#1865 17:09 Heinz unvotes Mau (0)
#1865 17:09 Heinz votes ntn (2)
#1868 17:25 Zinto votes ntn (3)
#1869 17:28 mckerney votes ntn (4)
#1895 21:17 Hoops votes Autumn (4)

#1909 21:33 Telle votes ntn (5)
#1914 21:36 mau unvotes Zinto (1)
#1914 21:36 mau votes Autumn (5)
#1928 21:47 Autumn unvotes Zinto (0)
#1928 21:47 Autumn votes ntn (6)
#1941 21:51 EagleFan unvotes Autumn (4)
#1941 21:51 EagleFan votes ntn (7)
#1943 21:52 Racer unvotes ntn (6)
#1943 21:52 Racer votes Autumn (5)
#1960 21:56 EagleFan unvotes NTN (5)
#1960 21:56 EagleFan votes Autumn (6)
#1972 22:00 Autumn unvotes NTN (4)
#1972 22:00 Autumn votes Autumn (7)


7 - Autumn - Barkeep (1761), MrBug708 (1821), hoopsguy (1895), mauboy1 (1914), Racer (1943), EagleFan (1960), Autumn (1972)
4 - ntndeacon - jeheinz72 (1865), Zinto (1868), mckerney (1869), Telle (1909)
3 - Telle - Lathum (1706), Chubby (1717), Narcizo (1769)

Day 6 voting as of post 2278:

hoopsguy 4 - Racer (2174), Zinto (2189), MrBug708 (2193), Telle (2249)
ntndeacon 3 - jeheinz72 (2135), mauboy1 (2220), hoopsguy (2241)
Barkeep49 2 - EagleFan (2209), mckerney (2278)
mckerney 1 - Barkeep49 (2213)
Telle 1 - Narcizo (2113)

Stealing Narcizo's prior posts and updating them since he's dead.

[hoopsguy]

Please list EagleFan in a slightly different color than the dead villagers.

[Racer]

Doing those updates, Jeheinz is definitely someone I'm going to look more at tomorrow.

Hoops/Mauboy is probably the way to go tomorrow though.

[Racer]

Please list EagleFan in a slightly different color than the dead villagers.

Can I switch it at this point? It's been five minutes since I posted it.

For JAG mainly. Would switch his color probably to green.

[hoopsguy]

More stuff on Freyr's sword:
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/freyasgrd.htm

"The sword was enchanted in that no substance could withstand its cutting edge and it could fight of its own accord."

Now if you were a moderator, and were getting a player-kill order, how would you go about writing that up? Would it be something like this?
As if this wasn't enough excitement for one evening, you also find the lifeless body of Narcizo, who appeared to die of natural causes, or at least you are unable to determine what could have caused the death. He was Naricizo of the North, a valiant warrior from a frigid land.

If Freyr was the god of assassins, or something along those lines maybe I would buy into this. If the sword was known to steal souls, instead of dancing by itself, I would be onboard. But there is nothing at all in the character of Freyr that indicates that he is going to send his magical sword to put someone down for a restful sleep on the road to Valhalla.

[CrimsonFox]

I'm just worried about Narcizo being frigid. Does his wife know?

[Narcizo]

Great game JAG - and I'm really happy and excited at the level of participation in the game. It didn't feel like there were just two or three people driving the whole thing, it was much more of a group thing than usual I felt.

[JAG]

The Jackal has replaced ntndeacon.

[Narcizo]

The Jackal has replaced ntndeacon.

:lol:

[Barkeep49]

Yeah, Mckerney has to be the MVP of the game so far.

I agree that it was a great move.

[Barkeep49]

I'm with hoops on this one. I don't think the sword story adds up. I do agree, however, with the consensus that the wolves attempted to kill mckerney and that mckerney had the ability to kill Loki if attacked.

[Barkeep49]

But, I hasten to add, I'm not convinced hoops is any good either. There was no way the wolves would know we'd be able to connect Zinto to both of the lynch switchings.

[hoopsguy]

I'm with hoops on this one. I don't think the sword story adds up. I do agree, however, with the consensus that the wolves attempted to kill mckerney and that mckerney had the ability to kill Loki if attacked.

But, I hasten to add, I'm not convinced hoops is any good either. There was no way the wolves would know we'd be able to connect Zinto to both of the lynch switchings.

If you are with me on the sword thing, then it means you agree that mauboy is not Freyr. Because he is taking credit for attacking Narcizo. He isn't suggesting that he sat idly by last night.

If you believe that Freyr's Sword would kill a man of natural causes, then you should vote me because I'm clearly a wolf ... I manipulated the vote to live, and I'm leading a charge against a roled villager. Or at least that would have to be the thrust of the argument.

If you think that mauboy is lying about Freyr's Sword, you should vote him. That is my argument, and I think it is a compelling one. Lynch him, see he is a wolf, and then decide my fate the next day. As someone who vigorously led the attack on one wolf, cast strong votes for two other wolves (Danny, Darth Vilus), pushed for transparency on item discussions (pivotal in identifying mauboy), and took villager-like actions when in possession of the mistletoe and the hammer.

[Barkeep49]

I am with you on the sword thing and hence my vote is on mau.

As for the vote manipulation, that is a whole other argument, and one worth having so I certainly understand why people are voting for you rather than mau.

[jeheinz72]

Doing those updates, Jeheinz is definitely someone I'm going to look more at tomorrow.

Hoops/Mauboy is probably the way to go tomorrow though.

Honestly, can't blame ya.

[jeheinz72]

This one is pretty clear cut to me.

Vote Mauboy

[mauchow]

Keep in mind that I didn't get a report back that said your sword killed Narcizo; my sword never even came back last night. After thinking in bed about it, it sounds like it was possible that the wolves killed Narcizo (why...?) and my sword couldn't find him and became lost. It makes me wonder if the sword is still out there actually. If so.. send it back my way.

[jeheinz72]

Keep in mind that I didn't get a report back that said your sword killed Narcizo; my sword never even came back last night. After thinking in bed about it, it sounds like it was possible that the wolves killed Narcizo (why...?) and my sword couldn't find him and became lost. It makes me wonder if the sword is still out there actually. If so.. send it back my way.

That seems highly unplausible. So the wolves would get two kill actions? (Since pretty clearly Loki attacked McK)

I mean don't get me wrong, the wolves did get two kill actions (Loki's and yours) but uh, it wasn't those two plus your sword just happened to not work.

[jeheinz72]

Can anyone make a case that somehow Mau/Hoops are villager/villager? I mean assuming that's not the case, it really doesn't even matter who is lynched first/second.

Well, it matters to them I'm sure, but...

[Telle]

I also think Telle could possibly be someone to look at again (probably not someone to vote for tomorrow though). She spends a lot of time in the thread before making her vote (much more so then others). She could be a villager making well thought out votes or a wolf discussing with the other wolves on who to put a vote on.

I think I've played with a couple of games with her before but I don't remember much about her. Does she take time to make votes whether she's a villager or a wolf?

Also, did Zinto ever touch the hammer? That might provide us with a little insight on wolves and items.

Yeah I'm usually a late voter. I have a horrible time deciding when there's not clear-cut evidence. I did try to break that habit in the first few days this game, but admittedly it's a lot easier to make an early vote on Day 1 or 2 than it is when you're this deep in the game.

That said, I just can't get past the fact that it's obvious that Narcizo was not killed by a sword. I do think hoopsguy is worth looking at tomorrow though.

vote mauboy

[hoopsguy]

Awesome - by all means evaluate me in the light of mauboy/wolf scenario tomorrow. Just make sure you are also considering the people who wanted to try and make me the next lynch instead of him.

If you still think I'm the best choice at that time, so be it. We'll have four wolves down at that point and even with me in Valhalla I think that Ragnarok will be averted.

[Telle]

Well hoops, I do think you are a strong candidate regardless of whether or not mauboy turns out to be a wolf. And given yesterday's lynch shenanigans, I don't necessarily blame people for voting for you. I honestly think both of you are wolves.

[Barkeep49]

Can anyone make a case that somehow Mau/Hoops are villager/villager? I mean assuming that's not the case, it really doesn't even matter who is lynched first/second.

Well, it matters to them I'm sure, but...
I don't think their being wolves are really tied to each other so it's possible, if each of their cases of innocence are believed that they are both villagers.

I just don't really buy mau's case for innocence.

And I think there is enough of a case to be made against hoops, independent of the lynching yesterday, that he too is a wolf. Add in the lynch yesterday and I think it's even a better chance that he's a wolf.

[Telle]

Something that popped into my head this morning.. didn't Chubby state that using one of his powers would result in the reveal of who he was? Interesting that this wasn't true for mauboy. Could be that not all characters had this same aspect for using their powers.. could be that it was only a chance of reveal and not 100%.. but still, it's one more thing to ponder in the case against mauboy.

[Racer]

Some of this is just restating from yesterday. Some of it isn’t. Quite honestly, I'm not convinced Hoops or Mauboy is a wolf. I think Hoops is slightly more likely to be a wolf then mauboy.

Points for Hoops
-In a close vote, I think Zinto saves one of the players if it’s villager/villager. This draws tremendous heat to the player with the most votes the following day and makes them a likely lynch victim. If they’re a villager, that’s a great thing for the wolves.
- Zinto’s vote actually likely being on EagleFan day one (and not Danny) also might make it a little less likely Hoops or Barkeep are wolves.

Points against Hoops
-It looks like Zinto/wolves saved Hoops from the lynch. This is something I think they would do if he was a wolf.
-If Zinto did in fact vote for EagleFan on day one, they may have felt comfortable having a third vote on him since Zinto appeared to vote for Danny.
-He’s seemed very desperate last night. Voting nightfall has locked in his vote for mauboy. He can’t change that vote now. With four people out of the game there is a lot of additional information to process. That’s a poor villager move in my opinion.

Points for Mauboy
-It seems likely that McKerney baited Zinto into killing him. If that’s the case, then how likely is it that the wolves got to have two kill actions last night? At least for me, it seems unlikely.
-If Mauboy isn’t Freyr, then the sword should still be out there. Reading the rule set, it appears you CAN only keep the item if it belongs to you. If there are two wolves left, it should show up when the other wolf dies. If wolves can’t pass items to each other, it should show up with someone today. If the magic sword shows up again, Mauboy absolutely should be lynched.
-Narcizo’s death sounded different then the other night kills.
-Tied up Zinto with Telle 2-2 at 8:10 am on Day five. He is the last person to unvote Zinto which he did at 9:36 pm.

Points Against Mauboy
-Reading the rule set, the wolves know 1-2 roles that won’t be in the game. Also, the rule set states that even if someone’s item is in the game it doesn’t mean that role is in the game.
-I think it would give the villagers eight roles total. That seems like an awful lot.
-It didn’t sound like Narcizo died from a magic sword.
-Voted for Chubby day one. If the wolves had two votes on Chubby day one, then either mauboy or Lathum is a wolf.

[MrBug708]

Good analysis

[mauchow]

I'm not a wolf. I got nothing. I lost my sword yesterday and unless a villager got it to send it back to me I can do nothing extra anymore. The other skill I had was a bg/kill. If a player was attacked while I was protection them my sword would have killed the attacker. It actually sounds a lot like what happened with the Loki death but I did not put that order in. I put an order to kill narcizo. I no longer have my sword and nothing makes sense to me this morning. Either the wolves screwed around with my order and made the kill themselves..they knew I had my eye on narcizo from multiple times I've said narcizos name. Or my sword clonked the Guy in the head and killed them and back then they didn't have the proper tools to figure out cause of death.

I honestly do not know.

[hoopsguy]

Very Norse to kill a guy by "clonking" in the head. And while I know that there wasn't exactly a CSI culture in those times, I think a shattered skull would not be confused with death by natural causes.

You would have been better served to say you had nothing to do with targeting Narcizo, or that you had targeted mckerney. Those would have been more believable than what you put out last night or what you are suggesting this morning.

Racer, I voted Nightfall because it was clear cut to me that mauboy was a wolf. He has claimed a role that he said he could prove, and he failed to prove it. He stated in the thread that he targeted Narcizo, further tightening the noose around his neck.

I had actually hoped that other people would read this the same way I did and we might get to accelerate this process along and move to the next day. I acknowledge that there is an argument to be made for me as a wolf, but it shouldn't be today.

Continuing to have my play characterized as "desperate" isn't exactly putting me in the frame of mind to want to try and be helpful. As I stated last night, I won't back down and self-vote or anything silly like that but I am getting frustrated with continued suggestions of my state of mind that are categorically untrue.

[Racer]

Very Norse to kill a guy by "clonking" in the head. And while I know that there wasn't exactly a CSI culture in those times, I think a shattered skull would not be confused with death by natural causes.

You would have been better served to say you had nothing to do with targeting Narcizo, or that you had targeted mckerney. Those would have been more believable than what you put out last night or what you are suggesting this morning.

Racer, I voted Nightfall because it was clear cut to me that mauboy was a wolf. He has claimed a role that he said he could prove, and he failed to prove it. He stated in the thread that he targeted Narcizo, further tightening the noose around his neck.

I had actually hoped that other people would read this the same way I did and we might get to accelerate this process along and move to the next day. I acknowledge that there is an argument to be made for me as a wolf, but it shouldn't be today.

Continuing to have my play characterized as "desperate" isn't exactly putting me in the frame of mind to want to try and be helpful. As I stated last night, I won't back down and self-vote or anything silly like that but I am getting frustrated with continued suggestions of my state of mind that are categorically untrue.

Sorry, that's might not be the best way to put it. It's just seems like you were spinning in your wheels last night.

I stand by thinking that you were a little quick to vote night fall. That doesn't make you a wolf but I think it would have been best to take a step back and then reevaluate the situation since you were on the block. You voting night fall (because you can't move from mauboy now) is a bad villager move IMO which goes against your great villager reputation.

[mauchow]

If I'm a wolf wouldn't I be trying to take claim to something more believable? I know what I submitted. I don't know how or why the results came through as they did.

And i was merely joking about the clonk in the head. I don't know what happened there.

[Racer]

Mauboy's explanations don't totally make sense today by the way.

Hoops is also taking things such Mauboy is saying such as "or my sword clonked the Guy on the head" and is acting like that's what Mauboy definitively said when in reality Mauboy seems to be just trying to come up with explanations for how Narc died.

I'll say this again. Mauboy should absolutely be lynched if the sword shows up again. The directions state ONLY the person who the object belongs to may keep the object. If it doesn't show up again, then Mauboy is probably who he claims to be.

[Telle]

But if there's two wolves left, mauboy and the other wolf could pass the sword back and forth.

[Racer]

But if there's two wolves left, mauboy and the other wolf could pass the sword back and forth.

Very true. But if we catch the other wolf then Mauboy would have no where to pass it to. So if we lynch the other wolf then someone will turn up with the sword the following day.

Of course, if we are in an end game situation, then a wolf might make that they have a sword.

[MrBug708]

If we believe that wolves can pass an item to each other, then I would say Hoops good because he passed the mistletoe to J23

[mauchow]

Well I certainly do not have the sword anymore. My pm from jag said the sword did not return to me after its night action.

[mauchow]

And I guess if a wolf has it now they certainly will not save my neck.

[Racer]

If we believe that wolves can pass an item to each other, then I would say Hoops good because he passed the mistletoe to J23

Did J23 die that night or the following night? Because if J23 died that same night, Hoops could have just claimed that. Did J23 confirm receiving it?

[MrBug708]

Did J23 die that night or the following night? Because if J23 died that same night, Hoops could have just claimed that. Did J23 confirm receiving it?

Yup. J23 died the next night

[Racer]

Yup. J23 died the next night

Okay that's a point in Hoops favor then (I think).

[Racer]

I should add though is for all we know the wolves have already weaponized mistletoe. It would seem the object would likely disappear from the game though if that were the case.

Reasons for holding off on killing EagleFan would be to maximize the number of people who would touch it which would make it difficult to trace it back to who used it to kill him.

Also, can we trace mistletoe back to day one? If Thor's hammer was duplicated, it seems possible we're passing around fake mistletoe right now.

[MrBug708]

I started with the mistletoe. I passed it to Dubb, but it was randomized to Hoops. It passed passed (said and confirmed by both Hoops and J23). I believe I received it next. I passed it to Racer, who passed it back to me, who received it again. While it seems unlikely, I would imagine "weaponizing" it would take a night action and possibly not get passed for a night.

[Racer]

Roles:
Mistletoe - When Loki learned this was the only earthly substance that could harm Balder, he crafted some into an arrow (some say a spear) and guided the blind god Hodor to shoot at Balder with the arrow, slaying the beloved god.


I started with the mistletoe. I passed it to Dubb, but it was randomized to Hoops. It passed passed (said and confirmed by both Hoops and J23). I believe I received it next. I passed it to Racer, who passed it back to me, who received it again. While it seems unlikely, I would imagine "weaponizing" it would take a night action and possibly not get passed for a night.

I think Chubby's may have happened automatically and immediately though? Also, I guess it may not need to be "weaponized". I'm just conjecturing that based on the fact that the directions state about it being put into an arrow.

The thing is though, if it needs to be "weaponized" , it may not use all of it since the directions say "some was put into an arrow". Thus the item could remain in the game and continue to be passed around. Also, as I previously stated, there's a small chance if the wolves did get it along the way, they also created a duplicate of it when they used it.

Also, from the looks of it, there was no night kill the night Hoops had mistletoe. So if you have to weaponize mistletoe and it takes the place of a night , then Hoops doesn't look good.

[hoopsguy]

And I guess if a wolf has it now they certainly will not save my neck.

You have that backwards. If a wolf has the sword, they won't say a word in order to back up your claim that it is out of the game by way of usage.

If a villager has the sword, and speaks up, hopefully you hang with no further questions asked.

[hoopsguy]

I think Chubby's may have happened automatically and immediately though? Also, I guess it may not need to be "weaponized". I'm just conjecturing that based on the fact that the directions state about it being put into an arrow.

The thing is though, if it needs to be "weaponized" , it may not use all of it since the directions say "some was put into an arrow". Thus the item could remain in the game and continue to be passed around. Also, as I previously stated, there's a small chance if the wolves did get it along the way, they also created a duplicate of it when they used it.

Also, from the looks of it, there was no night kill the night Hoops had mistletoe. So if you have to weaponize mistletoe and it takes the place of a night , then Hoops doesn't look good.

So I weaponized it while passing it to J23, a confirmed villager? C'mon, this is starting to border on ridiculous again.

[Racer]

You have that backwards. If a wolf has the sword, they won't say a word in order to back up your claim that it is out of the game by way of usage.

If a villager has the sword, and speaks up, hopefully you hang with no further questions asked.

I'm the one who is saying it has to be out of the game if Mauboy is who he says he is. Mauboy is acting like he think it could still be in the game which worries me somewhat. If Mauboy is a wolf, then I'm guessing the other wolf has it now unless there is some rule that says you can't pass items from wolf to wolf.

But yes, if anyone has the sword now, please speak up because it means Mauboy is probably a wolf.

[hoopsguy]

I did put a hurt on narcizo.

Well I think you have some explaining to do. As I just stated, it sure doesn't sound like he was killed by a sword.

It is a magic sword.

Just in case people are forgetting mauboy's initial claims after stuff went down. His current version, likely after being coached up by the other wolf/wolves, suggests that he doesn't know what happened. But that wasn't the tune he was signing last night.

[hoopsguy]

I'm the one who is saying it has to be out of the game if Mauboy is who he says he is. Mauboy is acting like he think it could still be in the game which worries me somewhat. If Mauboy is a wolf, then I'm guessing the other wolf has it now unless there is some rule that says you can't pass items from wolf to wolf.

But yes, if anyone has the sword now, please speak up because it means Mauboy is probably a wolf.

But he is the one saying wolves must have it and are staying quiet about it. Which is the reverse of your argument.

[MrBug708]

Also, from the looks of it, there was no night kill the night Hoops had mistletoe. So if you have to weaponize mistletoe and it takes the place of a night , then Hoops doesn't look good.

Not a bad theory. I just think the mistletoe doesn't get intentionally passed though (provided wolves can't pass to each other), but randomly sent out with the hope that it lands with another wolf

[hoopsguy]

unvote mau

I'll think it over for the night.


vote hoops

I appreciate the deep thought you've given mau, and that you're resting your vote on me while pondering his story.

[EagleFan]

unvote hoops

[Racer]

So I weaponized it while passing it to J23, a confirmed villager? C'mon, this is starting to border on ridiculous again.

Hmm good point. I think the rules state you can keep an item if it belongs to you. So would mistletoe belong to any of the wolves or just Loki is the question. The direction state Loki crafted some into an arrow though which suggests mistletoe might still exist in the game even after the wolves got it. That's what I'm trying to discuss here. I'd lean towards it no longer being the game though just like it seems would be the case for every other item.

The fact that it was randomized to you and you still came out and said you had it is another point in your favor here. If someone has passed it to you then really you would haven no choice but to come out.

[hoopsguy]

Current vote count:
mau - BK (2329), hoops (2342), heinz (2398), Telle (2402)
hoops - EF (2337), Racer (2376)

For those tracking votes/unvotes, EF had one on mauboy before flipping over to me.

Mauboy will clearly be voting for me, so I'm hoping folks like MrBug are going to end up voting with me. We've seen the wolves swing 1 vote races twice already (once for wolf Danny, once for villager me) and I would prefer not to give them the chance to do it a third time if the power lies with someone besides Loki.

[EagleFan]

I still think hoops is a wolf so don;t read my unvoting him as a sign that I think he is good.

When did mau say he was going to attack Narc? Before or after the deadline?

[hoopsguy]

Hmm good point. I think the rules state you can keep an item if it belongs to you. So would mistletoe belong to any of the wolves or just Loki is the question. The direction state Loki crafted some into an arrow though which suggests mistletoe might still exist in the game even after the wolves got it. That's what I'm trying to discuss here. I'd lean towards it no longer being the game though just like it seems would be the case for every other item.

The fact that it was randomized to you and you still came out and said you had it is another point in your favor here. If someone has passed it to you then really you would haven no choice but to come out.

In fairness, I had no idea if it came to me directly or randomized. I wasn't told who passed and going from memory I asked about it in the thread almost immediately.

[Telle]

The fact that it was randomized to you and you still came out and said you had it is another point in your favor here. If someone has passed it to you then really you would haven no choice but to come out.

But did he know that it was randomized before he admitted having it? Perhaps he assumed it was passed to him. I'll have to try to find this section of posts to figure this out...

[EagleFan]

This is where knowing the exact rules about an item would make a decision so much easier. :)

[Barkeep49]

What about the hammer? Hoops how do you explain real hammer/fake hammer?

[Racer]

I still think hoops is a wolf so don;t read my unvoting him as a sign that I think he is good.

When did mau say he was going to attack Narc? Before or after the deadline?

I'm not sure if he ever said he was. He said today he's mentioned his suspicion of him for awhile in his posts.

[EagleFan]

I'm not sure if he ever said he was. He said today he's mentioned his suspicion of him for awhile in his posts.

This is where things start to crumble depending on the answer. If he said it prior to the deadline than we have at least the fact that something happened to Narc and the mckerney/Zinto attack also happened. If he said it afterwards then it doesn't mean much as the wolves already would know what happened with the attacks.

[Telle]

Does anyone want to cop to passing me an item?

If someone knew that Mistletoe would not kill the known villager (EagleFan) that might be a good idea. The legends say that it will kill him, but who knows if it would kill him if passed to him or if it had to fall into the hands of the wolves first to weaponize it?

Either way, passing mistletoe to a villager sure seems like a good thing to do and the kind of thing that might buy a little bit of trust. I would sure like someone to trust if we have in fact lost our seer when we saw Odin fall.

It would be great if the person with the mistletoe comes forward. Please don't pass it yet. We can work out a plan from there.

I was given the mistletoe to start. It might be no longer in the game now though

Hmm, I've got the mistletoe - thought I was pretty transparent with my hints earlier - so I'm confused by these comments. I wanted to trust the person who came forward saying they had the mistletoe, but these comments don't make it easy for me to extend that trust blindly.

Also, I likely won't be around much at all today so I'm not sure how I'll collaborate on this. I'll try to take my laptop with me over lunch so I can sneak a peek at what EF's plan might be, and maybe get in an early vote.

Ok, here's how it went down. hoopsguy comes out and says he has an item right away, but doesn't say what he is. He then joins the discussion of mistletoe that comes up without saying he has it. THEN MrBug says he had it, but that it might no longer be in the game (believing he may have accidentally killed dubb with it). That's when hoopsguy comes out and says that he has the mistletoe.

So he didn't admit to having it first thing... but, when he did admit to it, the idea was out there that it could be gone from the game altogether. So as a wolf there would be no incentive to admitting to having it, I would think. Other than maybe as a trust builder?

[EagleFan]

vote mau

My head is going to pop if I try to think about this at the moment.

[EagleFan]

Though I could be easily swayed back to hoops.

[EagleFan]

For the record, if this helps with more information.

I now have the sword, that is why I voted for mau immediately last night.

I wanted to see how things played out over the early part of the day before saying anything (and to give hoops a little more heat to see what developed).

[Racer]

Unvote Hoopsguy
Vote Mauboy1

Since the sword is still in the game it doesn't really make how mauboy could be Freyr.

[jeheinz72]

For the record, if this helps with more information.

I now have the sword, that is why I voted for mau immediately last night.

I wanted to see how things played out over the early part of the day before saying anything (and to give hoops a little more heat to see what developed).

Did it say anything when you got the sword?

Sorry if this is a naive question, but I haven't had an item yet so I have no idea if it's a bland PM or what

[Telle]

Votes as of post #2446:

6 - mauboy - Barkeep (2329), hoopsguy (2342), jeheinz (2398), Telle (2402), EagleFan (2443), Racer (2446)

Nightfall: hoopsguy

Yet to vote: mauboy, Lathum, MrBug

[Racer]

I also logically, don't understand why a wolf wouldn't pass the sword to another wolf since the item rules seem to suggest there being only unlisted rule which I'm guessing to be in regards to "fake" items.

That being said, the wolves may have not thoroughly thought this out. That seems like it'd be the simpler explanation since the rules also suggest you get to keep your own item once you have it.

The fact that it reappears really to me suggest there is a strong probability that mauboy isn't Freyr.

[MrBug708]

Other than Dubb, the first 11 people to sign up for this game have died

[Racer]

Did it say anything when you got the sword?

Sorry if this is a naive question, but I haven't had an item yet so I have no idea if it's a bland PM or what

Each time I've received mistletoe it's been a bland pm.

[MrBug708]

That's also discounting that Eaglefan might have a fake?

[Telle]

Where is the mistletoe now? I'm thinking along the lines of if the other wolf got passed two items, one would go random.

[MrBug708]

Is the mistletoe useless now with the death of Loki?

[Racer]

Other than Dubb, the first 11 people to sign up for this game have died

LOL, I noticed this as well. The first 11 people who signed up are all dead. Of the next 10, only one is dead (dubb).

[jeheinz72]

Other than Dubb, the first 11 people to sign up for this game have died

If I were Racer I'd be freaked out.

[Racer]

Where is the mistletoe now? I'm thinking along the lines of if the other wolf got passed two items, one would go random.

I have it.

[Telle]

I have it.

Ah. Well so much for that theory then. Shy of a possible conversion, you're one of the most trusted villagers.

[jeheinz72]

We can't be looking at 6 total wolves, can we? That just seems steep.

[MrBug708]

If I were Racer I'd be freaked out.

Well, barring anything unforseen, Mauboy is going to be lynched and Racer might be a night target

[Racer]

By the way, if we still have a bodyguard in this game, I might be worth protection tonight given that about every roled players aside from EagleFan and the hidden role person are out and I'm a top the trust list (unless someone else has hidden their role all this time). I suppose there is Mauboy to if he's telling the truth. Logically, I seem like a likely choice by the wolves tonight.

[MrBug708]

I think they would need to gamble between you and I. You are a stronger player than I am but I would be the logical gamble for a night kill because the mistletoe would be up for grabs (if they want the mistletoe)

Mauboy, if he isn't lynched today, would be a candidate, but why kill him if he's telling the truth and isn't lynched, because we'd be confused over his role

[Racer]

I think they would need to gamble between you and I. You are a stronger player than I am but I would be the logical gamble for a night kill because the mistletoe would be up for grabs (if they want the mistletoe)

Mauboy, if he isn't lynched today, would be a candidate, but why kill him if he's telling the truth and isn't lynched, because we'd be confused over his role

I may not pass it to you for that very reason. I'm also considering Hoops who I don't remotely trust. However, that would still keep it in the hands of just three living players (or two if one of us die). It makes it much easier to nail a wolf that way if EagleFan ends up dead then if I say pass it to someone like Telle or Barkeep.

[MrBug708]

Hoops might not be a bad choice. If we go Mau and he's good/bad and Hoops is killed at the night, it sucks that we lost a villager in Hoops, but it answers a lot more questions

[jeheinz72]

If we lynch Mau and he comes up good, there is none chance hoops would get nightkilled

[MrBug708]

If we lynch Mau and he comes up good, there is none chance hoops would get nightkilled

If he has the mistletoe, it might be enough to get him killed.

Either way, whatever Racer does, it's best that he doesn't say what it was til a minute after the confirmed deadline. Just so we know where he sent it and he is nightkilled

[Barkeep49]

We can't be looking at 6 total wolves, can we? That just seems steep.
I think 5+ convert is entirely possible given how many roled villagers are in the game.

[MrBug708]

I'd say if EF and Racer are converts, the village is probably toast

[MrBug708]

I'd say if EF and Racer are converts, the village is probably toast

EF or* Racer

[Racer]

I'd say if EF and Racer are converts, the village is probably toast

Is it even possible for EF to be converted when he is Balder? That would seem a little unfair.

[MrBug708]

Very true

[MrBug708]

I was more reflecting on how other people thought that EF had been converted (a few days ago)

[Racer]

I was more reflecting on how other people thought that EF had been converted (a few days ago)

Yeah, I was just curious because you weren't the first person to mention it. Hoops mentioned it last last night.

[EagleFan]

I have had another vision...

[Telle]

Is this one any more clear?

[EagleFan]

This one from Autumn and I think I can read much more into it.

Seems that Darth could make fakes items.

Also, Loki may have been able to perform seperate actions as well (I read that as seperate from normal wolf actions). I also read that as in the Loki attack was seperate from the wolf action last night. Hopefully not reading too much into that.

Flipping back to the message as there is another piece to it that I am trying to put together.

[EagleFan]

okay, I mispoke. Darth seems to have created the fake hammer. It was specific about that. Not sure if he could do other items.

Thor seems to have been killed by a knife in the back. That must tie into something as it seemed quite specific. Will re-read again to make sure I am not missing somethinig else.

[hoopsguy]

What about the hammer? Hoops how do you explain real hammer/fake hammer?

Best I can offer is that I got a hammer, had no reason to believe it was fake, and moved it over to Chubby/Thor as my night action.

My actions were entirely consistent with what I did with the mistletoe earlier in the game.

I never really got to spinning my wheels too much on the fake hammer, other than to hope that was the cause of the "no kill" Night 2. But my posting count on this was considerably less than many other players because I didn't know how to wring any information out on this topic.

[EagleFan]

That's pretty much the idea behind the vision.

Will check back in later to see what everyone thinks. Feeling better about my vote at this point.

[hoopsguy]

I may not pass it to you for that very reason. I'm also considering Hoops who I don't remotely trust. However, that would still keep it in the hands of just three living players (or two if one of us die). It makes it much easier to nail a wolf that way if EagleFan ends up dead then if I say pass it to someone like Telle or Barkeep.

I'm happy to take it again. Whatever you think is best.

I would like to have some future value in this game besides being lynched after mauboy.

[hoopsguy]

okay, I mispoke. Darth seems to have created the fake hammer. It was specific about that. Not sure if he could do other items.

Thor seems to have been killed by a knife in the back. That must tie into something as it seemed quite specific. Will re-read again to make sure I am not missing somethinig else.

Loki used a dagger to kill Heimdell - that is the best I can come up with although if something jumps out at me on the items list in a minute I'll chime in with that.

[EagleFan]

Quick thought. This pretty much says that Telle started out with the real hammer. If he can create the fake a wolf would hand it to him while saying they were giving the hammer to someone else and have Darth hand the fake to that person.

Glares at hoops...

[EagleFan]

Don't give the mistletoe to hoops.

[hoopsguy]

Don't give the mistletoe to hoops.

That's fine too. Like I said, whatever you guys think is best.

But if it isn't going to me, I would try to suggest someone who isn't going to either be night killed or getting another item, thus increasing chance of item conflict/random pass.

[hoopsguy]

Quick thought. This pretty much says that Telle started out with the real hammer. If he can create the fake a wolf would hand it to him while saying they were giving the hammer to someone else and have Darth hand the fake to that person.

Glares at hoops...

Glare away. I was told by Narcizo that he had been the one to pass the item to me. I've got no reason to doubt him, especially as a dead villager. I've been 100% open about what I did with my items, even the damn sword that I forgot to send in the PM (which went to Telle and then to mauboy).

[MrBug708]

That's fine too. Like I said, whatever you guys think is best.

But if it isn't going to me, I would try to suggest someone who isn't going to either be night killed or getting another item, thus increasing chance of item conflict/random pass.

I think Racer needs to guess who to send the mistletoe to to avoid getting it to the wolves. Sending it to an uncleared player would be foolish

[hoopsguy]

Well, the uncleared list isn't terribly long. And sending it to EF directly isn't an option. So Racer gets to make an interesting decision. I'll offer input on other candidates if he wants to hear it.

[MrBug708]

EF can't receive it?

[Racer]

EF can't receive it?

Yeah I think it could/would kill him.

[Danny]

LOL, I noticed this as well. The first 11 people who signed up are all dead. Of the next 10, only one is dead (dubb).

I should have waited longer to sign up :(

[Barkeep49]

Quick thought. This pretty much says that Telle started out with the real hammer. If he can create the fake a wolf would hand it to him while saying they were giving the hammer to someone else and have Darth hand the fake to that person.

Glares at hoops...

This is where I was at before the vision. The vision just entrenches my view.

[Barkeep49]

Do we have a vote count?

[Racer]

Votes as of post #2446:

6 - mauboy - Barkeep (2329), hoopsguy (2342), jeheinz (2398), Telle (2402), EagleFan (2443), Racer (2446)

Nightfall: hoopsguy

Yet to vote: mauboy, Lathum, MrBug

Do we have a vote count?

Runaway on Mau at the moment.

[Barkeep49]

Thanks.

[MrBug708]

This is more of a formality, barring anything else coming from EF

Vote Mauboy

[Lathum]

well, I came back to get caught up after a long day of vacationing but it looks like no need to right now

[EagleFan]

Wait, Lathum's still alive? He must be a wolf!!!

[hoopsguy]

This is where I was at before the vision. The vision just entrenches my view.

So for those who seem to be resolved to vote for me tomorrow - I would like for you to at least start considering two things:
1.) who would be your second choice behind me?
2.) what are you going to learn when I am revealed as a villager?

I don't need those answers before the deadline - but I at least hope you are considering them because it sure feels like I won't be alive to see Day 8 based on the current mood in the room.

[Barkeep49]

So for those who seem to be resolved to vote for me tomorrow - I would like for you to at least start considering two things:
1.) who would be your second choice behind me?
2.) what are you going to learn when I am revealed as a villager?

I don't need those answers before the deadline - but I at least hope you are considering them because it sure feels like I won't be alive to see Day 8 based on the current mood in the room.
For #1, I don't know but we'll have two more nights and one more day of information at our disposal when we make that decision.

#2 I'd have to give some more thought to and will feel ready to discuss this tomorrow with you :).

[mauchow]

It's to late to switch off me.

My reveal was not fake but I understand why people don't believe me. It did not work out the way I wanted it to as far as the sword goes. Believe me. This one time!