WW CLVII - Ghostbusters - Game Over (result in post 1521)

[murrayyyyy]

Unless Katy is the one who got turned and Bhlloy is the wolf. That was my thinking.

[Danny]

But katy is someone who I think we need to put more focus on

[Danny]

I actually think we got a wolf here

[hoopsguy]

Holding off on analysis until after results, with the general assumption that the Gozer cult will role/convert hunt instead of taking out a harmless little ghost like me.

[Autumn]

Actually if Katy and packer are wolves, she probably votes him there for sure.

That's what we would do, not necessarily what a new player would do.

[Danny]

I think we might even need to consider wolf / wolf. Just an odd day all around

[murrayyyyy]

I was going to switch to Bholly a lot earlier but I saw Chubby on and that's why I brought up the tie scenario.

[Danny]

That's what we would do, not necessarily what a new player would do.

If it was me, I would have voted my fellow wolf much earlier :D

[Autumn]

I dont think Murray was a wolf move though, seemed like a pointless move in te end if he was a wolf.

I'm not sure what either move means, yeah, but both look suspect. No reason to make a sudden move at deadline. I know Murray and I tried something like that when we were wolves, so I know it's in his wolf toolkit.

[Autumn]

I think we might even need to consider wolf / wolf. Just an odd day all around

That might explain going for a tie, hoping for a no-kill? But I htink the rules specifically say there will be a kill, right?

[hoopsguy]

I think we might even need to consider wolf / wolf. Just an odd day all around

Lets get our first one before going down this path :)

[Danny]

I'm not sure what either move means, yeah, but both look suspect. No reason to make a sudden move at deadline. I know Murray and I tried something like that when we were wolves, so I know it's in his wolf toolkit.

Right but he is smart enough to know that his one switch by himself did nothing. Why make that move just to bring attention to yourself?

[Danny]

That might explain going for a tie, hoping for a no-kill? But I htink the rules specifically say there will be a kill, right?

Yes, but it might explain lack of action, they figured a wolf was going down either way. I just dont see villager villager with so little effort

[hoopsguy]

That might explain going for a tie, hoping for a no-kill? But I htink the rules specifically say there will be a kill, right?

Yes, but I believe there was a chance for random kill ... either as substitute or in addition. Will go look it up.

[murrayyyyy]

I'm not sure what either move means, yeah, but both look suspect. No reason to make a sudden move at deadline. I know Murray and I tried something like that when we were wolves, so I know it's in his wolf toolkit.

Yeah but we had talked about that scenario as a game winning move for 2 days...

[JAG]

We're just going to skip the fluff today as I'm tired. Sorry.

You lynch PackerFanatic. He is the librarian ghost! Danny dies of fright at the sight of him.

Later that evening, you find evidence of ghost-on-ghost crime as you find the dead (deader?) slimy ectoplasmic residue of hoopsguy.

PackerFanatic was the librarian ghost.
Danny was a citizen of NYC.
hoopsguy was Slimer.

D4 begins now. D4/N4 deadline is Friday at 10pm EST.

Please let me know what you'd like to do about weekend play. I will be around for the most part so I can run it if folks will be here, or if not we can have the D5 deadline Monday.

[Danny]

If I am a villager going down I fight like crazy, Packer isnt as much that type of player, but bh usually puts up a good fight.

[Autumn]

Yeah but we had talked about that scenario as a game winning move for 2 days...

True. I don't see the motive for your move, as a wolf, but will be looking at it.

[PackerFanatic]

Go ghosties go!

[hoopsguy]

On the very slight chance that they do wipe me out, please strongly consider murra5y as convert. Taking me out would suggest that they are worrying about destroying COT as top priority. Which would further support him as N2 target.

[Danny]

1 down, good luck village ;)

[Autumn]

Well, that settles that. Hmm.

Surprised that the wolves went for Hoops when they still have a seer out there and a convert.

[hoopsguy]

Bummer. Oh well. Go get 'em, villagers!

[Coffee Warlord]

See what happens when you stop being communist and listen to Coffee?

[Autumn]

Would have rather gotten a terror dog than the brutal, but still a good call. I will be looking at two things - whether there were moves there to save Packer, and whether it's possible Bhlloy is bad too.

[Danny]

Packer, please go pick in Hardcore!

[Autumn]

I'm not going to be up pontificating too much longer, as I'm exhausted, probably do most of my analysis in the morning. I'm going to go look at Katy's vote htough.

[Autumn]

Katylied, want to explain why the sudden late vote?

Murray, Katy's vote basically saved us from a tie you almost forced. Got any explanation other than "I'm a wolf who thought he'd save Packer from death" or "I'm a cultist who was willing to put his neck on the line for a wolf Packer?"

[Chubby]

Nice that we got a ghost! To be honest, I like it when we can get the brutal early instead of having them ruin a village win late

[mauchow]

Well, that settles that. Hmm.

Surprised that the wolves went for Hoops when they still have a seer out there and a convert.

This.

We can at least breath a sigh of relief that we finally got one at least.

[bhlloy]

Sorry guys, St Paddies day celebration at work and completely forgot to check in until now. Nice result

[murrayyyyy]

Katylied, want to explain why the sudden late vote?

Murray, Katy's vote basically saved us from a tie you almost forced. Got any explanation other than "I'm a wolf who thought he'd save Packer from death" or "I'm a cultist who was willing to put his neck on the line for a wolf Packer?"

Besides the fact that I said earlier I want to move on to Bhlloy. The people who have followed my voting so far are Katy and him. I rarely trust anyone who thinks like me (as you know from playing with me).

[Autumn]

So, I think it's probably 8-3 right now, with a convert replacing PF basically. Really 7-1-3 when you consider the cultist. It's possible Murray is the cultist and knew PF (or that he's simply a wolf). But it's also possible the cultist didn't know PF. We need to make good use of this lynch, because if we go wrong and they get a convert it could be 5-1-4 by tomorrow and that's not good. Of course they need to get rid of the guys with proton packs too, so that makes it a bit tougher for them, but if they get the vote numbers it won't really matter.

[Autumn]

Besides the fact that I said earlier I want to move on to Bhlloy. The people who have followed my voting so far are Katy and him. I rarely trust anyone who thinks like me (as you know from playing with me).

But what's the point of moving to bhlloy if you only want to move to him if it's not close? Either you saw Katy's vote, and wanted to make the vote closer while still not voting out bhlloy? Or you saw it and tied it. Neither make much sense.

[Autumn]

Also possible we got a proton pack block, not a convert, and it's now 8-1-2. That would be very nice, but I'm not goign to count on it.

[Autumn]

Katylied, want to explain why the sudden late vote?

*ahem*

[murrayyyyy]

But what's the point of moving to bhlloy if you only want to move to him if it's not close? Either you saw Katy's vote, and wanted to make the vote closer while still not voting out bhlloy? Or you saw it and tied it. Neither make much sense.

I'm not sure I want to say what I think because it points out something for the wolves. The late move may have costed me tomorrow but I'll explain to you when the game is finished. Truthfully I should have made the move sooner but I had forgotten about Katy's missing vote until 6:59.

[PackerFanatic]

Packer, please go pick in Hardcore!

Yeah yeah :-P

[Autumn]

I'm not sure I want to say what I think because it points out something for the wolves. The late move may have costed me tomorrow but I'll explain to you when the game is finished. Truthfully I should have made the move sooner but I had forgotten about Katy's missing vote until 6:59.

Lynching a villager might cost us the game, so I'm not sure I recommend holding your reasoning back just because of that. Right now it seems you're suspect number one for seeming to try to save PF.

I'm also suspect of Katy for the opposite reason. Voting PF at the last moment seems like a rather transparent attempt to claim "I voted wolf" when it was clear there was no other choice.

[bhlloy]

I think your reasoning is pretty weaksauce murrayyyyy, but it smells like villager weak sauce. But then I was the one who forgot to check in all evening until 15 minutes after deadline. Too much green beer this afternoon

[Autumn]

PackerFanatic 3 - Danny (732), Autumn (787), mauchow (806)
bhlloy 3 - Narcizo (779), Lathum (810), PackerFanatic (865)
Zinto 2 - murra5y (764), bhlloy (815)
Passacaglia 1 - Chubby (869)

Late movement is hard to decipher since wolves will be burying the dead at this point. Going to go back to this point. Lathum later votes PF, but here his vote and bhlloy's and later Chubby's are the ones trending away from PF.

[murrayyyyy]

Lynching a villager might cost us the game, so I'm not sure I recommend holding your reasoning back just because of that. Right now it seems you're suspect number one for seeming to try to save PF.

I'm also suspect of Katy for the opposite reason. Voting PF at the last moment seems like a rather transparent attempt to claim "I voted wolf" when it was clear there was no other choice.

So you want me to say who I think the GB is that Hoops slimmed? If I was a wolf I know I would have offed this person already and I'll say he didn't have a vote at the end. About to leave for the night but I'll await your answer and post who I think it is in the morning if you really want that.

[Autumn]

Going to bed. Talk amongst yourselves. I see a lot of people in thread tonight who aren't talking.

[hoopsguy]

Damn, didn't catch CW in posts.
But Danny is going to have to dead-troll like crazy to pass me :)

[britrock88]

...and Andre the Giant re-enters the ring!!!

[Autumn]

So you want me to say who I think the GB is that Hoops slimmed? If I was a wolf I know I would have offed this person already and I'll say he didn't have a vote at the end. About to leave for the night but I'll await your answer and post who I think it is in the morning if you really want that.

No. what I want is "I changed my vote becuase of Slimer" or something. Don't reveal valuable info, but you could say "I changed my mind because I realized ... X". I still don't know how you figuring out who got slimed makes you want to make the vote closer.

[Autumn]

Damn, didn't catch CW in posts.
But Danny is going to have to dead-troll like crazy to pass me :)

As if he won't.

[Danny]

If there's something strange
in your neighborhood
Who ya gonna call?
GHOSTBUSTERS

If there's something weird
and it don't look good
Who ya gonna call?
GHOSTBUSTERS

I ain't afraid of no ghosts
I ain't afraid of no ghosts

If you're seeing things
running through your head
Who can ya call?
GHOSTBUSTERS

An invisible man
sleeping in your bed
Who ya gonna call?
GHOSTBUSTERS

I ain't afraid of no ghosts
I ain't afraid of no ghosts

Who ya gonna call?
GHOSTBUSTERS

If ya all alone
pick up the phone
and call
GHOSTBUSTERS

I ain't afraid of no ghosts
I here it likes the girls
I ain't afraid of no ghost
Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah

Who ya gonna call?
GHOSTBUSTERS

If you've had a dose of a
freaky ghost baby
Ya better call
GHOSTBUSTERS

Lemme tell ya something
Bustin' makes me feel good!

I ain't afraid of no ghosts
I ain't afraid of no ghosts

Don't get caught alone no no

GHOSTBUSTERS

When it comes through your door
Unless you just want some more
I think you better call
GHOSTBUSTERS

Who ya gonna call?
GHOSTBUSTERS

Who ya gonna call?
GHOSTBUSTERS

I think you better call
GHOSTBUSTERS

Who ya gonna call?
GHOSTBUSTERS

I can't hear you
Who ya gonna call?
GHOSTBUSTERS

Louder
GHOSTBUSTERS

Who ya gonna call?
GHOSTBUSTERS

Who can ya call?
GHOSTBUSTERS

Who ya gonna call?
GHOSTBUSTERS

[Passacaglia]

Nice job, all! I don't get why they'd kill hoops though -- doesn't he count as a ghost?

[Passacaglia]

Hmm, seems more like he counts as neutral. Still a bad kill choice. Maybe they were worried hoops was on to someone?

[Zinto]

may I ask what college?


I go to a little school in Michigan, Saginaw Valley State. It sold me on the super nice campus and the easy scholarships that they offer.

[Narcizo]

Wolves ought to have brutaled Hoops and night killed Danny. Unless they knew that Danny wasn't a convertee. Makes no sense that they would risk brutalling the convertee. All of which makes me think that maybe they can scan for convertibles. (Ah-ha).

Anyway, yay for a good result. Boo for me being on the wrong side of it, as per.

[Narcizo]

Day One

20:43 #46 Lathum votes Autumn (1)
20:51 #49 Coffee votes Danny (1)
02:35 #57 Narcizo votes DaddyTorgo (1)
09:30 #68 Autumn votes Lathum (1)
09:43 #69 Britrock votes Chubby (1)

11:05 #75 Packer votes Autumn (2)
11:15 #76 Bhlloy votes Packer (1)
11:43 #82 murrayyyyy votes Coffee (1)
12:34 #85 mauchow votes Danny (2)
12:47 #89 Danny votes Lathum (2)

13:09 #91 Coffee unvotes Danny (1)
13:34 #95 Hoops votes DaddyTorgo (2)
14:13 #99 Coffee votes Packers (2)
14:32 #108 Chubby votes Mau (1)
15:54 #114 Pass votes Mau (2)
15:58 #119 Coffee unvotes Packers (1)
15:58 #119 Coffee votes DaddyTorgo (3)
15:59 #120 mau unvotes Danny (0)

16:07 #127 Mau votes Coffee (2)
16:15 #129 fontisian votes Lathum (3)
17:18 #134 britrock unvotes Chubby (0)
17:18 #134 britrock votes Coffee (3)
17:24 #137 Lathum unvotes Autumn (1)
17:24 #137 Lathum votes mau (3)
17:46 #139 Bhlloy unvotes Packers (0)
17:46 #139 Bhlloy votes Lathum (4)
17:53 #140 Lathum unvotes Mau (2)
17:53 #140 Lathum votes Coffee (4)

18:04 #146 Coffee unvotes DaddyTorgo (2)
18:04 #146 Coffee votes mau (3)
18:31 #150 Lathum unvotes Coffee (3)
18:31 #150 Lathum votes mau (4)
18:53 #160 Packer unvotes Autumn (0)
18:53 #161 Packers votes Coffee (4)
19:22 #171 Zinto votes Lathum (5)
19:58 #182 Mau unvotes Coffee (3)
19:58 #182 Mau votes DaddyTorgo (3)

20:00 #187 Danny unvotes Lathum (4)
20:00 #187 Danny votes DaddyTorgo (4)
20:02 #189 Lathum unvotes Mau (3)
20:02 #189 Lathum votes DaddyTorgo (5)
20:05 #199 DaddyTorgo votes Lathum (5)
20:28 #208 Coffee unvotes mau (2)
20:28 #208 Coffee votes DaddyTorgo (6)
20:29 #210 Daddy unvotes Lathum (4)
20:29 #210 Daddy votes Coffee (4)

20:50 #232 Brit unvotes Coffee (3)
20:50 #232 Brit votes Lathum (5)
20:50 #233 Daddy unvotes Coffee (2)
20:50 #233 Daddy votes Lathum (6)
20:53 #241 Zinto unvotes Lathum (5)
20:53 #241 Zinto votes Daddy (7)
20:57 #265 Chubby unvotes mau (1)
20:57 #265 Chubby votes Daddy (8)

Day One Tally:

8 DaddyTorgo - Narcizo (57), hoopsguy (95), mauchow (182), Danny (187), Lathum (189), Coffee Warlord (208), Zinto (241), Chubby (265)
5 Lathum - Autumn (68), fontisian (129), bhlloy (139), britrock88 (232), DaddyTorgo (233)
2 Coffee Warlord - murra5y (82), PackerFanatic (161)
1 mauchow - Passacaglia (114)

No Vote: Katylied

[Narcizo]

Day Two

21:36 #326 Lathum votes Autumn (1)
21:47 #329 murra5y votes Lathum (1)
22:31 #337 bhlloy votes Lathum (2)
07:30 #356 Chubby votes Coffee (1)
07:54 #360 Coffee votes Bhlloy (1)
08:04 #363 Narcizo votes Bhlloy (2)
09:45 #378 Autumn votes Passacaglia (1)
10:02 #382 Passacaglia votes Katylied (1)

10:41 #386 Bhlloy unvotes Lathum (1)
10:41 #386 Bhlloy votes Mau (1)
12:07 #390 Mau votes Coffee (2)
12:30 #396 Passacaglia unvotes Katylied (0)
13:15 #401 Danny votes Coffee (3)
13:22 #404 murra5y unvotes Lathum (0)
13:22 #404 murra5y votes Coffee (4)
13:30 #408 Packer votes Coffee (5)

13:47 #416 Passacaglia votes mau (2)
14:00 #423 Mau unvotes Coffee (4)
14:00 #423 Mau votes Lathum (1)
14:17 #429 Danny unvotes Coffee (3)
14:17 #429 Danny votes Packer (1)
14:23 #431 Coffee unvotes bhlloy (1)
14:23 #431 Coffee votes murra5y (1)
14:30 #434 Packer unvotes Coffee (2)
14:46 #441 Narcizo unvotes bhlloy (0)
14:46 #441 Narcizo votes murra5y (2)
14:55 #445 murra5y unvotes Coffee (1)
14:55 #445 murra5y votes Lathum (2)

15:10 #447 Packer votes Autumn (2)
15:32 #452 Autumn unvotes Passa (0)
15:32 #452 Autumn votes Mau (3)
15:58 #465 Passa unvotes Mau (2)
15:58 #465 Passa votes Coffee (2)
16:44 #481 fontisian votes Hoops (1)
16:54 #487 Danny unvotes Packer (0)
16:54 #487 Danny votes Coffee (3)
17:23 #496 Packer votes Coffee (4)

17:55 #504 Autumn unvotes Mau (1)
17:55 #504 Autumn votes Hoops (2)
17:58 #505 Danny unvotes Coffee (3)
17:58 #505 Danny votes Hoops (3)
18:43 #518 Katylied votes Lathum (3)
18:51 #523 Zinto votes Hoops (4)
19:26 #528 bhlloy unvotes mau (0)
19:26 #528 bhlloy votes Coffee (4)
19:33 #529 Lathum unvotes Autumn (0)
19:48 #534 Lathum votes Coffee (5)

20:06 #556 Coffee unvotes murra5y (1)
20:06 #556 Coffee votes Packers (1)
20:09 #561 Hoops votes Packers (2)
20:09 #562 Lathum unvotes Coffee (4)
20:09 #562 Lathum votes Packers (3)
20:30 #575 Chubby unvotes Coffee (3)
20:30 #575 Chubby votes Hoops (5)
20:38 #590 Hoops unvotes Packers (2)
20:38 #590 Hoops votes Coffee (4)
20:44 #600 Coffee unvotes Packers (1)
20:44 #600 Coffee votes Lathum (4)
20:47 #604 Lathum unvotes Packers (0)
20:47 #604 Lathum votes Coffee (5)

20:48 #610 Lathum unvotes Coffee (4)
20:48 #610 Lathum votes Hoops (6)
20:49 #612 murra5y unvotes Lathum (3)
20:49 #612 murra5y votes Coffee (5)
20:53 #626 mauchow unvotes Lathum (2)
20:53 #626 mauchow votes Coffee (6)
20:54 #629 Coffee unvotes Lathum (1)
20:54 #629 Coffee votes Hoops (7)
20:59 #647 Lathum unvotes Hoops (6)
20:59 #647 Lathum votes Coffee (7)


Day Two tally:

Coffee Warlord 7 - Passacaglia (465), PackerFanatic (496), bhlloy (528), hoopsguy (590), murra5y (612), mauchow (626), Lathum (647)
hoopsguy 6 - fontisian (481), Autumn (504), Danny (505), Zinto (523), Chubby (575), Coffee Warlord (629)
Lathum 1 - KatyLied (518)
murra5y 1 - Narcizo (441)

[Narcizo]

Day Three

21:26 #732 Danny votes Packers (1)
20:18 #764 murra5y votes Zinto (1)
07:43 #779 Narcizo votes bhlloy (1)
08:20 #787 Autumn votes Packers (2)
09:20 #806 mauchow votes Packers (3)
09:29 #810 Lathum votes bhlloy (2)
10:05 #815 bhlloy votes Zinto (2)

15:29 #865 Packer votes bhlloy (3)
15:33 #869 chubby votes Pass (1)
16:41 #898 Passa votes Packers (4)
17:01 #908 Chubby unvotes Pass (0)
17:01 #908 Chubby votes Lathum (1)
17:19 #918 Hoops votes Bhlloy (4)
17:21 #919 fontisian votes Zinto (3)

20:14 #932 Zinto votes Packers (5)
20:16 #933 fontisian unvotes Zinto (2)
20:16 #933 fontisian votes bhlloy (5)
20:25 #940 Lathum unvotes bhlloy (4)
20:25 #940 Lathum votes Packers (6)
20:58 #983 Katylied votes Packers (7)
20:59 #987 murra5y unvotes zinto (1)
20:59 #987 murra5y votes bhlloy (5)

Day Three Tally:

PackerFanatic 7 - Danny (732), Autumn (787), mauchow (806), Passacaglia (898), Zinto (932), Lathum (940), KatyLied (983)
bhlloy 5 - Narcizo (779), PackerFanatic (865), hoopsguy (918), fontisian (933), murra5y (987)
Zinto 1 - bhlloy (815)
Lathum 1 - Chubby (908)

[Narcizo]

In terms of voting records I think Chubby, fonti, Katy and I have the worst records. Based solely on voting I'd be voting Chubby in an instant - he steered off a Packer vote yesterday and had a throwaway vote today. However I'm getting strong villager vibes from him. Dunno how he plays when he's a wolf - maybe he plays the same but at the moment he's showing just about everything I'd expect from him being a villager.

Day three analysis is difficult until we decide if bhlloy was a wolf or villager. Hopefully the seer scanned bhlloy and if he is a wolf will zap him with the proton gun thingy tonight so I guess we shouldn't look there today. If Bhlloy is a wolf then the wolves are more likely to be on Packer than Bhlloy. If Bhlloy is a villager then a lot of the people who voted Packers you'd expect to vote wolf on wolf (especially against a brutal) but I'm going to give most of them the benefit of the doubt at this stage.

Comparing fontisian and Katy I think I'm going to go with Katy for the time being. With no posts to give any vibes I think she has to stand or fall solely on her voting record, which is pretty bad.

Vote Katy

[Narcizo]

Wolves ought to have brutaled Hoops and night killed Danny. Unless they knew that Danny wasn't a convertee. Makes no sense that they would risk brutalling the convertee. All of which makes me think that maybe they can scan for convertibles. (Ah-ha).


Ah-ha! Unless they thought Danny was a ghostbuster in which case it makes sense to brutal him. So that was probably it.

[Narcizo]

With Packer putting a second day one vote on Autumn I think it unlikely that Autumn is a starter wolf but he may well be the conversion. But I'd guess prime suspects for conversion is murra5y or me.

I've got trust for Lathum, mauchow, Zinto and Autumn at this stage. Pretty much in that order.

[Narcizo]

With Hoops and Danny gone it's going to fall to Autumn to do all the posting now. Get to it Autumn! :)

[Chubby]

vote murrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyy

getting a vote in before heading to work

[Passacaglia]

I go to a little school in Michigan, Saginaw Valley State. It sold me on the super nice campus and the easy scholarships that they offer.

You're in Michigan? Rock on! I'm from Grand Rapids, but I've only been to Saginaw a couple times.

[Lathum]

Vote Chubby
poor voting record, then decides to call out someone else for their play when he has made equally poor decisions. Wolf trying to deflect and cause chaos?

His vote yesterday is really the one that puts it over the top. When we have at least one wolf on the block, and he was around at deadline, he decides to leave his vote in a completely useless spot. IMO you gotta pick a side there unless you are worried your decision will cause you to be scrutinized.

[JAG]

Chubby 1 - Lathum (1062)
KatyLied 1 - Narcizo (1056)
murra5y 1 - Chubby (1062)

[Lathum]

I am ok for weekend play. I will hopefully be in my basement watching lots of college basketball.

[Narcizo]

I pretty sure Lathum-Chubby is a villager-villager spat.

I think it's worth revisiting murra5y being converted. I've kind of been presuming that the convertee becomes a fully fledged member of the wolf team - but that might not be the case. They might be out on an island. If that's the case then I wouldn't be surprised if we're currently 3 wolves + 1 convertee at the moment and 7 villagers to 4 baddies. The ghostbusters are actually more powerful than their usual counterparts in a standard game so I can easily see this being the case.

I thought that it was unlikely a wolf murra5y puts his vote on Bhlloy so near deadline but it would make more sense if he doesn't have contact or, possibly even, knowledge of who the other wolves are. I feel strongly that murra5y could be the converted wolf.

unvote Katy
vote murrayyyyy

[mauchow]

i'll be around this weekend

[mauchow]

I am probably more okay with murrayyy vs chubby. But I don't know between murrayy vs katylied at this point. I've got to jump in the shower real quick and get going to work. I will be taking the afternoon off to watch some basketball so I should be around a bit the whole day again.

[Chubby]

At the bank. I'm fine with weekend play.

I'm sure lathum would have preferred I switched at the last second from a wolf to a villager, ya know, like he did.

Thank goodness you saved slimer lathum, its a giant advantage to us one day later...

[hoopsguy]

I needed to be saved yesterday. Where were my ghostbuster buddies? Waa!

[mauchow]

Slimer was not a wolf!

[Coffee Warlord]

I see your attempts to usurp my post count from beyond the grave, hoops. It shall not be. :)

[mauchow]

He scans as one but isn't one.

[mauchow]

Eh shit

[Lathum]

At the bank. I'm fine with weekend play.

I'm sure lathum would have preferred I switched at the last second from a wolf to a villager, ya know, like he did.

Thank goodness you saved slimer lathum, its a giant advantage to us one day later...

Well at least you would have cast a vote thet was meaningful.

And since we don't know Bhlloy is a wolf or a villager how can you say what you would have switched to, unless you have some kind of insight the rest of us don't.

[Chubby]

Slimer was not a wolf!

I do not currently see where slimer counts for ratio purposes in the rules

[Chubby]

Well at least you would have cast a vote thet was meaningful.

And since we don't know Bhlloy is a wolf or a villager how can you say what you would have switched to, unless you have some kind of insight the rest of us don't.

I knew full well the implications in not moving. I however also know id be painted as a wolf building trust by moving last second. Lose lose situation.

I do have a purpose for everything whether you belive me or not is irrelevant.

[Narcizo]

Slimer wins a major victory if it meets its win condition and a minor victory if the Ghostbusters (and citizens) win (ironic I know).


Here, halfway down the rules under victory conditions.

[Autumn]

Ah-ha! Unless they thought Danny was a ghostbuster in which case it makes sense to brutal him. So that was probably it.

You make a good point though, the wolves must have been very sure Danny was a ghostbuster. I was going to bring that up this morning. I think they figured he was the seer - which I thought might be true too. That was partly why I followed him on PackerFanatic, because he came right out after deadline and voted PF.

Then the bigger question becomes, why Hoopsguy? He had revealed and seemed generally believed, and had the ability to vouch for another villager. But if they believed him they knew he was not a convert. It's a little odd to me that they decided to get rid of him rather than find another wolf. It makes me wonder if perhaps there hasn't been a convert yet - if there was you think they'd be chomping at the bit to get the other and do the summoning thing.

[Lathum]

I knew full well the implications in not moving. I however also know id be painted as a wolf building trust by moving last second. Lose lose situation.

I do have a purpose for everything whether you belive me or not is irrelevant.

It was obvious long before the deadline who the two candidates were going to be, yet you chose to go in a completely opposite direction.

[Autumn]

I knew full well the implications in not moving. I however also know id be painted as a wolf building trust by moving last second. Lose lose situation.

I do have a purpose for everything whether you belive me or not is irrelevant.

Did you have to move last second? Honest question, I don't know when you were in thread.

[Autumn]

PackerFanatic 3 - Danny (732), Autumn (787), mauchow (806)
bhlloy 3 - Narcizo (779), Lathum (810), PackerFanatic (865)
Zinto 2 - murra5y (764), bhlloy (815)
Passacaglia 1 - Chubby (869)

Looking at this point again. It's notable that bhlloy goes with Zinto, rather than PF. Worth considering still that they may have both been wolves. I hope the seer looks into that. Lathum has the second vote on bhlloy here, but it looks like it was 3-1-1 at that point, so I don't necessarily fault him there. Chubby going with Pass doesn't look great though when we had 3 suspects already on the block.

[Autumn]

Also I still have not seen any response from Katylied about her/his vote. If you're never going to post in the game yo'ure just not helping, certainly not if you're also going to make driveby deadline votes. I hate this sort of thing because it's too late in the game to waste our time lynching villagers for being inactive, yet if they don't defend themselves, we have to.

[Autumn]

PackerFanatic 3 - Danny (732), Autumn (787), mauchow (806)
bhlloy 2 - Narcizo (779), Lathum (810)
Zinto 2 - murra5y (764), bhlloy (815)

This was the state when PF voted Bhlloy. So he chose Bhlloy over zinto, despite the fact that bhlloy would presumably move his vote to PF. Zinto hadn't voted, but PF would have at least had a chance Zinto would vote bhlloy instead of him. If Zinto is also a wolf, PF would know that Zinto would follow up with a self defense vote on bhlloy as wel. If Bhlloy and PF were wolves, PF had a fine chance here to go in another direction without being suspicious, so while it's possible he decided to double down and confuse the village, it seems less likely bhlloy is a wolf based on this play.

[Autumn]

I am not expecting to be around much today (darn having to actually work at work...) but I definitely think there are others who have "buried" their votes as much as me that deserve consideration as well (bhlloy and Autumn come to mind right away).

This may also be in bhlloy's favor, unless I'm the villager he threw in, and bhlloy the wolf. Basically if bhlloy was a wolf then he and PF were working hard not to seem connected.

[Autumn]

Okay, so I'm not going to quote all the series of posts and votes that led to the mini-run on PF. But most of the people involved were villagers (CW, Hoops, Danny). So that makes me feel better about Lathum, who didn't need to get involved but did.

However, it's maybe of note that the run happened after this list CW posted, and Danny suggesting that PF was the best pick out of that list (more reasons they thought he was seer?)

Also, Chubby does not look good in this section, frequently saying things like, "So why PF over Hoops?" Or "I don't liek this run on PF."

[Autumn]

mauchow 3 - bhlloy (386), Passacaglia (416), Autumn (429)
Autumn 2 - Lathum (326), PackerFanatic (447)
Lathum 2 - mauchow (423), murra5y (445)
murra5y 2 - Coffee Warlord (431), Narcizo (441)
Coffee Warlord 1 - Chubby (356)
PackerFanatic 1 - Danny (429)

No vote: fontisian, hoopsguy, KatyLied, Zinto

CW got one more vote after this, and then PF voted CW. Obviously helps protect himself. But possibly protection for Mauchow, me, Lathum or Murray.

[Autumn]

As of #435

Coffee Warlord 2 - Chubby (356), murra5y (404)
Autumn 1 - Lathum (326)
mauchow 2 - bhlloy (386), Passacaglia (416)
Passacaglia 1 - Autumn (378)
Lathum 1 - mauchow (423)
Packers 1 - Danny (429)
Murrayyyyy 2 - Coffee (431), Narcizo

Yet to vote: Hoops, fontisan, Zinto, Katylied, Packers

Here PF votes me on day 1 I think this is. Mauchow and Murray are again in the mix. Boy they keep popping up.

[Autumn]

So, based on all that, people I will be considering:

Murray - because PF may have been helping him out, and Murray made a curious last second vote that helps PF.
Mauchow- because PF may have been helping him out (haven't looed at Mau's votes)
Chubby - for staying out of the fray and subtle posts steering away from PF
Katylied - for a last second vote that meant nothing on PF (holding back just in case?) and for not posting.
Zinto - for possible PF/Zinto connection

[Autumn]

For now I think we have to apply a lot of pressure on katylied. That last second vote is very fishy, and we need posts!

<b>vote katylied</b>

[Passacaglia]

Also I still have not seen any response from Katylied about her/his vote. If you're never going to post in the game yo'ure just not helping, certainly not if you're also going to make driveby deadline votes. I hate this sort of thing because it's too late in the game to waste our time lynching villagers for being inactive, yet if they don't defend themselves, we have to.

Sure, but a D2 vote that way is suspicious. But yeah, maybe it should be Black Friday for KatyLied.

[Autumn]

Sure, but a D2 vote that way is suspicious. But yeah, maybe it should be Black Friday for KatyLied.

No, a D2 vote on someone who's not in the mix is suspicious. I'm trying to talk about someone else here, Pass! Jeez.

[Passacaglia]

I was talking about the vote I put on KatyLied. I did it in the morning, was told she would either be playing, or there would be a replacement, so I took it off. But I still got heat for hiding my vote or some junk.

[murrayyyyy]

I think it's worth revisiting murra5y being converted.

If I was converted I wouldn't have taken out Hoops last night. He hit his goal of slimming a GB so he had the same power as a vanilla villager for the rest of the game I believe(counted as a villager for the win). I assume there won't be 2 wolves making all the decisions after converting someone. If D1 or D2 voting had hit a wolf the first 2-3 days you are going to tell me that one wolf makes the calls for the entire game? You guys know better than I do if this happens but I think converts would suddenly be added to the IM list.

[Autumn]

It's likely, but who knows. No reason you couldn't be a starting wolf though Murray.

[Autumn]

Thinking some more on this - PF was obviously certain that Danny was the seer and had caught him. So killing the seer by brutal is a great chance, as they don't have to deal with proton packs. That means the wolves might have actually been glad to go with PF, even before it seemed apparent hew as going to be lynched. If they thought Danny was the seer, and might reveal at any time, then they would want to just keep PF as the prime target to keep Danny quiet, and brutal him before he could talk. So I will be looking at the vote with this in mind next.

[Narcizo]

If I was converted I wouldn't have taken out Hoops last night. He hit his goal of slimming a GB so he had the same power as a vanilla villager for the rest of the game I believe(counted as a villager for the win). I assume there won't be 2 wolves making all the decisions after converting someone. If D1 or D2 voting had hit a wolf the first 2-3 days you are going to tell me that one wolf makes the calls for the entire game? You guys know better than I do if this happens but I think converts would suddenly be added to the IM list.

Under my scenario you wouldn't be making any kills. My hypothesis is that you won't have contact with the starting wolves. They'll (presumably) know who you are but you won't necessarily know them.

If you have contact with the starting wolves (ie you are one or you converted into their group) then I don't think you would have made the vote on bhlloy when you did.

I imagine that if Katy is a wolf then Packer would have been bombarding her mailbox telling her to vote him. Which she did late. So I'm tempted to switch back to Katy.

[Autumn]

Any reason you have to vote for the top two and won't even consider Zinto who is a vote behind with 4+ hours until deadline?

This makes me both feel better about Bhlloy and less good at Passacaglia (whose vote on PF bhlloy was referring to). As bhlloy points out, Pass made it sound like there were only two choices and went with PF. At this point I'm considering his vote, Mauchow's and Zinto's on PF as the most suspicious as I think the wolves would probably have been pushing PF at this point.

[Narcizo]

So, based on all that, people I will be considering:

Murray - because PF may have been helping him out, and Murray made a curious last second vote that helps PF.
Mauchow- because PF may have been helping him out (haven't looed at Mau's votes)
Chubby - for staying out of the fray and subtle posts steering away from PF
Katylied - for a last second vote that meant nothing on PF (holding back just in case?) and for not posting.
Zinto - for possible PF/Zinto connection

Self-defeating question but why am I not on this list Autumn? I'd have thought my voting is bad enough to warrant it.

[Autumn]

I imagine that if Katy is a wolf then Packer would have been bombarding her mailbox telling her to vote him. Which she did late. So I'm tempted to switch back to Katy.

That is exactly what I imagine also.

[Autumn]

Self-defeating question but why am I not on this list Autumn? I'd have thought my voting is bad enough to warrant it.

You just never popped up in the things I was looking at. This is based off of going back through all of PF's posts and seeing what they connected to.

[bhlloy]

vote Zinto

I think looking at yesterday's voting I see nothing to convince me both Zinto and PF couldn't be wolves. Katy's last minute vote weirdly makes me feel a little better, because I think a wolf gets enough advice to just stay off until after deadline. Ditto for Chubby, that's a hell of a ballsy last minute vote for a wolf

[Autumn]

Unvote Zinto
Vote bholly

Font, do you want to explain your votes yesterday? You said you preferred PF but voted Zinto to keep a close vote, then later switched to bhlloy instead of PF.

[Narcizo]

Then the bigger question becomes, why Hoopsguy? He had revealed and seemed generally believed, and had the ability to vouch for another villager. But if they believed him they knew he was not a convert. It's a little odd to me that they decided to get rid of him rather than find another wolf. It makes me wonder if perhaps there hasn't been a convert yet - if there was you think they'd be chomping at the bit to get the other and do the summoning thing.

Well there's the obvious fact that he was pushing pretty hard for murra5y and was pretty much fully trusted (I actually had a big worry this morning that he was Peck and hoping to tempt Venkman to proton shoot him and take himself out of the game). Also a trusted villager hoops is a pretty potent enemy to the wolves.

[bhlloy]

Also why is Pass not on that list Autumn?

[murrayyyyy]

Ah-ha! Unless they thought Danny was a ghostbuster in which case it makes sense to brutal him. So that was probably it.

To be honest, I think Packer took out Danny: "One very scary ghost. Has the chance to remove a player from the game when lynched, though if they select a Ghostbuster with a proton pack charge, the Ghostbuster may be able to fend off this ability. "

I don't think Packer would have tried to take out a ghostbuster with his conditional night action(the way I read it, if he did pick one, it wouldn't have worked). I think he knew his role unlike the gatekeeper or key master. Are we assuming there are 3 wolves and 1 convert left? Zuul and Vinz probably got a vanilla message since it says can be converted. I was assuming 2 terror dogs and the Librarian were the original set of wolves. I'm not sure Gozer is a character in the game to be honest. Peck knows 1 of the bad guys but wins with them. I assume he is not in on their voting or IMs. If so then we have a lot of lying vanilla villagers out there.

Looking back at the player list (17 started)
Ghostbusters and citizen of note : 5 to start 2 are dead
Slimer: 1 to start, 1 dead
6 started(of note for the win), 3 are dead so 3 are left (besides generic citizens). 2 vanillas have died also.

So that leaves 11 people (not of note). Two of those are dead as Vanilla villagers(and we aren't sure if they could have been converted). So we are down to 9.

The Librarian is dead so that leaves, Terror dogs (I assume it is more than one person), Generic Ghost (I don't think they exist, I think it was added in case the sign ups got too big), Gozer (It says if he is summonded, in the movie they had to find both gate and key to summond him, I don't think he is in the game as a player). Walter Peck. If you think there is Gozer, Peck, 1 Generic, 1 convert, 1-2 terror dogs then we are looking at 5/6 bad guys right now with only 1 dead for sure (possibly 2 with Coffee or Danny being a convert). If there are 5 at best bad guys left then we have 3 vanilla villagers and 3 notable players. I assume 2 terror dogs which would put the game at 6:6 right now which would be game over (and it's not so I have to start trimming bad guys). I don't think generic ghost or Gozer is in the game so I think it's 2 terror dogs and the convert right now with Peck knowing either about Packer or one of the dogs.

[Autumn]

I'm now adding Pass to my list from before. Happy now, Pass?

Right now my strongest suspicion is of Mauchow. Not going to play with my vote just yet, I'm going to keep pondering.

[Autumn]

Also why is Pass not on that list Autumn?

Hah, I've just added him. The list was based on people seeming to be working with PF. Now that I'm looking for people who may have jumped on pushing PF to the top to get that brutal kill, Pass is on it.

[Autumn]

To be clear my list was not from the whole game roster. Just who popped up in reading PF's posts.

[Narcizo]

Hmmm - so the ghostbusters can't use the proton thingies to nightkill. Is that what JAG was saying a while back- that he took away that rule?

[Autumn]

My modified list. I'm taking Chubby off for now because I think the wolves would actually have been pushing PF not defending him.

Murray - because PF may have been helping him out, and Murray made a curious last second vote that helps PF.
Mauchow- because PF may have been helping him out earlier, and Mauchow makes an early vote on PF, helping them brutal the supposed seer.
Katylied - for a last second vote that meant nothing on PF (holding back just in case?) and for not posting.
Zinto - for possible PF/Zinto connection in voting
Passacaglia - Makes a semi-early vote on PF when the wolves would be pushing him

Murray is probably the least suspicious to me on this list. I'm guessing of Mau, Zinto, Pass, Katy there are at least two wolves in there.

[Autumn]

Hmmm - so the ghostbusters can't use the proton thingies to nightkill. Is that what JAG was saying a while back- that he took away that rule?

Oh I never figured out what he took away. I didn't remember that they could night kill. No wonder he took it away!

[mauchow]

I'm now adding Pass to my list from before. Happy now, Pass?

Right now my strongest suspicion is of Mauchow. Not going to play with my vote just yet, I'm going to keep pondering.

Why ?

Never mind I see the post now.

[murrayyyyy]

Hmmm - so the ghostbusters can't use the proton thingies to nightkill. Is that what JAG was saying a while back- that he took away that rule?

Did he say this? I thought they would be used to fend off a nightkill. There goes my theory on Packers move last night (I still believe Packer took out Danny and Hoops was voted)

[Autumn]

Murray, we know that Packer took out Danny. It was in the writeup. That was the brutal kill.

[Narcizo]

To be honest, I think Packer took out Danny: "One very scary ghost. Has the chance to remove a player from the game when lynched, though if they select a Ghostbuster with a proton pack charge, the Ghostbuster may be able to fend off this ability. "


Ah-ha - so we're back to it being baffling that they take out Danny with the brutal and Hoops with the night kill. Maybe they can "scan" for the convertees and had scanned Danny night one or two so knew he wasn't a potential wolfy.

[JAG]

murra5y 2 - Chubby (1062), Narcizo (1065)
Chubby 1 - Lathum (1062)
KatyLied 1 - Autumn (1089)
Zinto 1 - bhlloy (1101

[murrayyyyy]

Murray, we know that Packer took out Danny. It was in the writeup. That was the brutal kill.

Narciso confused me when he said he thought they would brutal a ghostbuster. The way I read it, a ghostbuster could fend it of maybe.

[Autumn]

Oh I see. Yeah, that's a good catch. Hmm.

[mauchow]

It'll be an interesting post game discussion.

My guess is along with what autumn said.. they believed that Danny was the seer based on his vote shortly after deadline. I know I'd flag it if I was a wolf. Then add in the fact that he was a brutal wolf it was probably a ploy to gain trust by voting PF. I am on the short list of who voted PF but my vote was solidified based on a post of PFs that just made me stick there in the end. I thought multiple times yesterday of changing my vote until I saw the more 'pleading' follow up post bhlloys 'its okay to vote me out...'

I'll try to find it.

[Autumn]

I imagine then they had a conditional order in - if the brutal ability didn't work, night kill Danny. That would give them two shots at killing him before he could scan again. So I guess I"m going to keep on the same line of thought.

[murrayyyyy]

vote katylied

Gave the suicide vote while not posting anything. Same way we tried to use the Brutal in the wrestling game with Autumn and Bullet voting for me.

[murrayyyyy]

Ah-ha - so we're back to it being baffling that they take out Danny with the brutal and Hoops with the night kill. Maybe they can "scan" for the convertees and had scanned Danny night one or two so knew he wasn't a potential wolfy.

Danny was acting very seer like the entire game. Same vibe I got in my first game when he was the converter.

[mauchow]

I dont think I'm being railroaded hoops. I think I'd look at me as well at this point. I would like to see Katy up as a candidate as well FWIW, I'm concerned we are giving a pass for a new player and its late enough in the game we don't have to do that

I am in the same boat as bhlloy - while I know I am clean, my votes have been suspect and honestly, if me being on the block helps garner some valuable information to help the village, so be it.

Back to back posts even.

I just read as more wolfy than bhlloys. Not to say that it couldn't be wolf-wolf.

As far as it goes with me being on blocks as a cohort I'm not so sure I vote PF out yet. It seemed like the wolves could have gone one more day to let us shoot ourselves in the foot by lynching another villager. I gotta think that there are more inexperienced wolves that were dictating things behind the scenes.

Maybe there was more to it than that though.

I do hope the seer has some stuff for us to go on tomorrow. I feel confident that our seer will have info for us. They have to. And they gotta feel good knowing that there is a likelyhood that a pack will still protect them.

[Autumn]

Mau, normally yes the wolves would try to get another day. But not if Danny would have revealed a bunch of scans. I think they were hoping to off him before he said anything .

[mauchow]

I just re read the deadline posts.. not that it matters anymore but hoops flat out asked PF what route the village should go. He ignored the question entirely and didn't offer anything up despite being around. Heh.

[mauchow]

Mau, normally yes the wolves would try to get another day. But not if Danny would have revealed a bunch of scans. I think they were hoping to off him before he said anything .

Ah yeah I get it.

[Narcizo]

I imagine then they had a conditional order in - if the brutal ability didn't work, night kill Danny. That would give them two shots at killing him before he could scan again. So I guess I"m going to keep on the same line of thought.

Yeah, that's what I came up with. Hoops was the conditional. They thought Danny had scanned Packers so they took their chance to try and whack Danny before he made his scans public. Maybe they thought he scanned me and was hinting that I was villager when he said he "would" have scanned me were he the seer. I think I've done that once before as a seer. Don't think Danny would be that obvious but the wolves wouldn't know that.

[Narcizo]

Danny was acting very seer like the entire game. Same vibe I got in my first game when he was the converter.

Danny does that all the time.

[Narcizo]

The scary thing is that he's often right.

[Passacaglia]

I'm now adding Pass to my list from before. Happy now, Pass?


Hello.

[fontisian]

Font, do you want to explain your votes yesterday? You said you preferred PF but voted Zinto to keep a close vote, then later switched to bhlloy instead of PF.

I'm on my phone, so this will be short. I voted for Bholly instead on Packer to make the vote a little closer and see of there would be any last minute movement. I was prepares to switch to packer through the end to ensure his lynch, but it never proved neccessary.

[britrock88]

I go to a little school in Michigan, Saginaw Valley State. It sold me on the super nice campus and the easy scholarships that they offer.

I have a good bit of family in Sagtown; cool stuff.

[JAG]

KatyLied 2 - Autumn (1089), murra5y (1121)
murra5y 2 - Chubby (1062), Narcizo (1065)
Chubby 1 - Lathum (1062)
Zinto 1 - bhlloy (1101)

All folks that have chimed in thus far have said they're ok with weekend play, so I am leaning towards a Sunday 10pm EST D5 deadline. If you're not ok with this, please speak up.

[murrayyyyy]

Fine with weekend

[Narcizo]

Ditto.

[KatyLied]

Katylied, want to explain why the sudden late vote?

Murray, Katy's vote basically saved us from a tie you almost forced. Got any explanation other than "I'm a wolf who thought he'd save Packer from death" or "I'm a cultist who was willing to put his neck on the line for a wolf Packer?"

Thanks - my vote was late because I went out for drinks IRL. I got home right before deadline, speed read the boards, and went on a hunch. I'm a huge fan of logic games, and I'm ordinarily damn good with charting these things, but have not been diligent this time around because of work/life. In retrospect, maybe I should've sat this game out, but if I sat out every time I had a busy stressful day, I'd never get to play. :(

I get that my conduct doesn't exactly mesh with SOP, but it's all I can do. I'd love to spend more time being witty and adorable on the boards (as I am IRL) but I just don't have that kind of time. So kill me now, villagers, if you choose, but know that you're killing one of your own. You may take my life but YOU'LL NEVER TAKE MY FREEDOM!

[Narcizo]

Unvote murrayyyyy
Vote Katylied

Sorry. Couldn't resist. :cool:

[Narcizo]

We don't like people with real, fulfilling lives round here.

[Narcizo]

Unvote Katylied

To be honest I've read through day one and two and I don't think I've gleaned much from it. I've got less trust for Zinto based on the read-through but otherwise not much has jumped out at me. I'm fairly happy that Autumn and murra5y aren't starter wolves and they both can't be convertees so I feel that at least one of them is genuine.

I'll see if I can be bothered reading day three before making a crucial vote at this stage. Probably not.

[Zinto]

I will be around a little this weekend. It is my birthday on Sunday so I will not be on at deadline for sure.

[Zinto]

You're in Michigan? Rock on! I'm from Grand Rapids, but I've only been to Saginaw a couple times.


I am from Royal Oak, and I have been to Grand Rapids once or twice.

[KatyLied]

Unvote murrayyyyy
Vote Katylied

Sorry. Couldn't resist. :cool:

I would do the same thing if I were you. I have a low threshold for sentimentality. :D

[Zinto]

As much as I understand a vote for Katy in that situation for a late vote on Packer where should she have put her vote then if she was not a wolf? Does she tie up the vote and cause a tie with almost no time left? Or, does she not vote again?

[Lathum]

As much as I understand a vote for Katy in that situation for a late vote on Packer where should she have put her vote then if she was not a wolf? Does she tie up the vote and cause a tie with almost no time left? Or, does she not vote again?

I don't think her vote would have tied it up had she went Bhlloy. I don't think her vote last night is the sole reason for scrutiny, it is also being so UTR ( she is a girl, right?)

[Narcizo]

I will be around a little this weekend. It is my birthday on Sunday so I will not be on at deadline for sure.

So we should wait with lynching you till then you mean.

[Danny]

I am from Royal Oak, and I have been to Grand Rapids once or twice.

I am from California and I have no idea of these places you are talking about

[mauchow]

vote zinto

Going to look at the 4 mentioned by Autumn tied in with the fact that I believe bhlloy to not be a wolf based on last night's result and that's where he's got his vote right now.

I don't think we need to look at Katy's vote last night to mean anything. Perhaps it was inbox flooded with VOTE PACKERS and it was a quick vote based on that.. but somehow I doubt it. I don't think she's a bad lynch though.

[KatyLied]

I don't think her vote would have tied it up had she went Bhlloy. I don't think her vote last night is the sole reason for scrutiny, it is also being so UTR ( she is a girl, right?)

She is, indeed, a girl. :)

[Narcizo]

Fonti, got any thoughts on where you want to go. Your votes pretty cruddy really - particularly yesterdays.

vote murrayyyyy

Last time I try to vote on the why pad.

[Passacaglia]

Font, do you want to explain your votes yesterday? You said you preferred PF but voted Zinto to keep a close vote, then later switched to bhlloy instead of PF.

I'm on my phone, so this will be short. I voted for Bholly instead on Packer to make the vote a little closer and see of there would be any last minute movement. I was prepares to switch to packer through the end to ensure his lynch, but it never proved neccessary.

Sorry I don't have a ton of analysis, but this is the thing that's jumped out at me. It sounds to me like he was hoping he could keep PF alive, really. I feel like reading back, that a PF lynch wasn't ensured by any means.

VOTE FONTISIAN

[Lathum]

anyone have a vote count?

[JAG]

Why yes, yes I do. Just waiting for the current page to pop up first:

KatyLied 2 - Autumn (1089), murra5y (1121)
murra5y 2 - Chubby (1062), Narcizo (1149)
Zinto 2 - bhlloy (1101), mauchow (1147)
Chubby 1 - Lathum (1062)
fontisian 1 - Passacaglia (1150)

[Zinto]

I don't think her vote would have tied it up had she went Bhlloy. I don't think her vote last night is the sole reason for scrutiny, it is also being so UTR ( she is a girl, right?)


Yeah, I didn't realize Murray had a vote that was after hers, but that vote still would have looked bad at that point since it would have opened up the vote to be tied.

[Narcizo]

KatyLied 2 - Autumn (1089), murra5y (1121)
murra5y 2 - Chubby (1062), Narcizo (1149)
Chubby 1 - Lathum (1062)
Zinto 2 - bhlloy (1101), mauchow (1147)
fontisian 1 - Passacaglia (1150)

No vote: Katylied, fontisian, zinto

[fontisian]

Fonti, got any thoughts on where you want to go. Your votes pretty cruddy really - particularly yesterdays.

I'm doing a thorough analysis now that I'm home. Just a preliminary thing, but I doubt mauchow is scum with PF because of this series of posts:
Well that is a shit result.

And I dunno why I'm being singled out for the switch to dt. I may have started the run but I only count as one vote.
Who singled you out?
Without going back I believe it was hoops and PF maybe? DT did too but he's not around anymore so that was just purely defensive.

I don't think he would have mentioned PF in that manner if they were teammate. It's pretty weak reasoning, though. Thoughts?

[bhlloy]

Yeah I noticed that too Pass and was going to take a very close look at font when I got home. Another one that I feel has been much quieter than the previous game

[Zinto]

I do not think Autumn is a starting wolf looking back on the voting with Packer putting the second vote on Autumn the first two days. I also do not think Lathum is a wolf since he put the third vote on Packer on day two when Coffee and Hoops were trying to swing the vote somewhere else.

[Autumn]

Checking back in. Going to move to my strongest hunch at this point based on vote analysis, PF's posts, and today's votes.

<b>UNVOTE KATYLIED
VOTE MAUCHOW</b>

[Narcizo]

I'm doing a thorough analysis now that I'm home. Just a preliminary thing, but I doubt mauchow is scum with PF because of this series of posts:

I don't think he would have mentioned PF in that manner if they were teammate. It's pretty weak reasoning, though. Thoughts?

Not fantastically relevent today as I don't think anyone is going to be looking at mau today. ;)

[Narcizo]

Oooo! My timing is as impeccable as ever.

[fontisian]

Not fantastically relevent today as I don't think anyone is going to be looking at mau today. ;)
He's on Autumn's list.

[Autumn]

I'm doing a thorough analysis now that I'm home. Just a preliminary thing, but I doubt mauchow is scum with PF because of this series of posts:

I don't think he would have mentioned PF in that manner if they were teammate. It's pretty weak reasoning, though. Thoughts?

That series of posts didn't scare me away, honestly. It's not like he was targeting them for a vote -- and even then, it's pretty common for wolves to be careful about including wolves in their comments, otherwise it becomes obvious they're ignoring them. Mentioning a wolf repeatedly as suspicious but never voting them is a pretty common wolf mistake.

[mauchow]

Checking back in. Going to move to my strongest hunch at this point based on vote analysis, PF's posts, and today's votes.

<b>UNVOTE KATYLIED
VOTE MAUCHOW</b>

There are much better candidates today. . But I respect your game too much to argue it.

[Lathum]

unvote Chubby
vote KAtylied

just to quiet

[Narcizo]

There are much better candidates today. . But I respect your game too much to argue it.

Well that's bogus. Of course you should argue it.

[britrock88]

I am from California and I have no idea of these places you are talking about

:lol:

[mauchow]

Well that's bogus. Of course you should argue it.

Well of course I'll argue my points but I'm talking in respect that I'm talking about me being in his list of four. I think the other three are better options based on voting history alone.

[Narcizo]

Unvote murrayyyyy
Vote Katylied

I'm no longer convinced murrayyyyy was the converted guy on night two. Don't have a good read on Katy and I doubt we're ever going to get one. Call it a principle vote, although it's late in the day for that sort of thing.

[Narcizo]

In the unlikely event of my death I'm toing and froing in my suspicions of Autumn, bhlloy and Passa. My trust list is shrinking pretty much to Lathum and that's it really. Night all.

[JAG]

KatyLied 3 - murra5y (1121), Lathum (1164), Narcizo (1168)
Zinto 2 - bhlloy (1101), mauchow (1147)
fontisian 1 - Passacaglia (1150)
mauchow 1 - Autumn (1158)
murra5y 1 - Chubby (1062)

No vote - fontisian, KatyLied, Zinto

[Autumn]

I think Katy needs to put a vote down very soon. If she goes another evening without putting her neck out there at all we don't have much choice but to axe her. Still, I'd rather vote elsewhere as I think outside of that she's not our strongest bet.

[fontisian]

So, I think Narcizo, Lathum and Packer might be a scum team.

[Autumn]

Okay, let's hear it.

[murrayyyyy]

So, I think Narcizo, Lathum and Packer might be a scum team.

None of the three names I was thinking but ill listen.

[KatyLied]

VOTE MURRAYYYYY

Because, well, he engaged in all the same behaviors that seem to make people wary of me, except for the reticence, of course. FYI, I'm voting at this particular moment in the day because I am spending the evening out and about with friends. ;)

[bhlloy]

Well that doesn't make me feel better about Zinto. It's always mildly interesting when the vote leader doesn't vote for the person in second

[Chubby]

Care to place a vote zinto?

[Zinto]

Well that doesn't make me feel better about Zinto. It's always mildly interesting when the vote leader doesn't vote for the person in second


If Hoops was here he would make the argument a better vote when you are in the lead, and it is till early in the day that you want as many people in the running as you can get.

[Zinto]

Care to place a vote zinto?


Never! I am looking through the voting and trying to think about who I think has the best chance of being a wolf but don't worry it is coming.

[Zinto]

Why are people assuming that the wolves wanted to sacrifice Packer?

[fontisian]

Just looking at the dialogue before day 3, I can only really see Packer being partners with Katy, Narcizo, Lathum or Murrayyyyy.

Let's start with day 2, because it looks like Narcizo and Packer were trying to get us to focus on everyone except Lathum.
Ah OK. So this still happens does it?

Knee-jerk reaction is that I think we have to look at the people who voted DT late. I thought his play indicated wolf or roled and the wolves knew he wasn't wolf so they'd be very interested in voting him.

Of course it's hard to blame anyone for sticking a day one vote on him given the quasi-reveal/hint things. Annoyingly I was going to suggest Venkman out and out revealing today as it's doubtful the wolves would risk a wasted night kill just to take out the duke but with only two ghostbusters left I don't think we can go that route. Anyway I believe it is time for the narcalysis.

Not seeing the wolfy vibe from Lathum apart from the "verrry innnteresting" post which seemed a bit passive-aggressive. Then again I don't really get a good read on Lathum - although he does seem to have calmed down since the last time I played. As a whole I'm not fantastically excited at the prospect of chasing the number two vote getter from day one today. You can wind up driving down a blind alley and getting nowhere.

I need to reread posts trying to ignore the Mau-Daddy-Coffee-Lathum interactions. See who's trying to glide through.
Were you around at deadline Bhlloy?

Then Packer comes in and does the same thing.
I think the thoughts of a wolf in the Coffee/Zinto/Chubby group make the most sense...Danny's is early enough and it was still very undecided at that point (although that could be his ploy). I can give Lathum a pass at this point since it was mainly out of self-defense. That leaves CW (who pushed DT up, albeit half hour before deadline), Zinto (who broke the tie and put DT up) and Chubby (who added one for good measure right at the end). I will wait to see what more comes of today, but I think my vote will be in that group.

Narcizo again:
I must have missed the drift towards none of them being wolf. And what do we learn if Lathum is a villager? That we should then look at mau? And if he's a villager then we should look at Coffee? If he's a villager then it's day five and the wolves have as good as/have won. Lathum's started to ping me a bit (when it's pretty clear why Coffee, Zinto and Chubby had moved their votes) - but he's playing like I remember him as a villager. I think a wolf Lathum is a bit more careful and also doesn't burn off a fake reveal by claiming vanilla so early.

Of the three being mentioned together I think I like mau most as a wolf. At the moment I'd like to look elsewhere. If Lath is a villager then it looks pretty good for Zinto. If there are only three wolves I don't think you're going to see any major orchestrated plan - if anything I think you're just as likely to see wolves voting wolves as anything else or, more likely, wolves avoiding the spotlight altogether.

In an attempt to widen our voting records.

Vote Bhlloy

Oh! And he was anxious that we didn't see yesterday as villager-villager, making him a better potential source of information. If he's a wolf then it seems likely that Lathum and possibly mau are villagers.

Then Packer comes in and puts suspicion on the people who switched onto DT and the end, a group which excludes Lathum and Narcizo.
Going back to this...and I think others have mentioned it too (even I have to a point with my group of three I mentioned earlier). There has gotta be at least one wolf in that quick-moving group, right?


Then there's this interesting exchange:
I hate to push him up by 3 at this point, but he fits into my group I was looking at earlier.

VOTE COFFEE WARLORD
That's quite the pile onto Coffee. I think he's a decent candidate - a lot of what he was saying yesterday seemed a bit like he was playing to the gallery. But I can't fault his vote. Given the fact that it was day one I'd have done the same thing.
Really? And you don't think you could at least push one of your other candidates and make there two from your group on the block? Having any candidate who hasn't been outed by a seer up three at this stage just seems ridiculous, and probably ensures a two-horse race which is a rubbish situation for the village to put itself in.

I'm surprised at how readily Lathum was dropped as a candidate. Looks like finding an easy candidate rather than anything else.
But I don't like anyone else! :)

I expected Narcizo to vote for Packer at that point. Instead, he votes for murrayyyyy with this explanation.
Don't like how he came out swinging at Lathum and then switched so early to Coffee without seeing if anyone else was looking at Lathum - didn't even really say why he was switching other than he had two candidates and he was happy to go with the flow. Bhlloy explained his switch more convincingly.

Packers vote is just to crazy to be wolfy.

Of course I'm going to look like crap if Coffee comes up wolf after all this, but what can you do?

Packers then does this:
Alright, I need to think on this more. Jumped the gun and made myself look bad, I don't like that.

UNVOTE CW
Which makes me think that he was told to back off via pm. Narcizo, murrayyyyy, Pass, Danny, mauchow and Coffee posted in the intermidiate period.

To be continued.

[Zinto]

I think I am going to vote for Font. She was on my list of people who placed a vote early on day one and let it sit there and she also has one of the worse voting records.

Vote Font

[Chubby]

unvote murrrrrrrrrrrayyyyyyyy
vote zinto

[bhlloy]

Well at least we have a lot of candidates today. That's good. I'm heading home shortly but should be back on in a couple of hours

[Zinto]

I don't think Katy is a wolf and will probably not move my vote there unless it becomes clear that I have to save my hide. Unfortunately, I won't be on at deadline so I am hoping that there is movement some place else before I have to leave.

[JAG]

KatyLied 3 - murra5y (1121), Lathum (1164), Narcizo (1168)
Zinto 3 - bhlloy (1101), mauchow (1147), Chubby (1183)
fontisian 2 - Passacaglia (1150), Zinto (1183)
mauchow 1 - Autumn (1158)
murra5y 1 - KatyLies (1175)

No vote - fontisian

[Chubby]

I don't think Katy is a wolf and will probably not move my vote there unless it becomes clear that I have to save my hide. Unfortunately, I won't be on at deadline so I am hoping that there is movement some place else before I have to leave.

so neither you or katy will be on at deadline it seems

[Lathum]

so neither you or katy will be on at deadline it seems

Friday night deadlines tend to be ghost towns around here

[Zinto]

Seems like it. If I am on at deadline I will be intoxicated because I am celebrating St. Paddys day along with my Birthday this weekend.

[Chubby]

neither of the top 2 vote for each other and are both going to be away from comp? i guess i'm fine with either of them going down but feel zinto is more "dangerous" so i'd prefer him

[Autumn]

That is good work, Fontisian. I'm not sure I necessarily buy it, but it's good analysis that I'm going to have to look at again.

[Autumn]

Why are people assuming that the wolves wanted to sacrifice Packer?

Because they thought Danny was the seer, who had scanned Packer. So sacrificing PF and letting him use his brutal on Danny was hte smartest move.

[Zinto]

neither of the top 2 vote for each other and are both going to be away from comp? i guess i'm fine with either of them going down but feel zinto is more "dangerous" so i'd prefer him


I don't think it is necessarily the best play to vote for Katy. Did you think I was going to vote for her after saying a few times the last two days she was not a wolf? I would rather try and gain traction for a player who I think might be a wolf then just trying to save my own hide.

[Chubby]

I don't think it is necessarily the best play to vote for Katy. Did you think I was going to vote for her after saying a few times the last two days she was not a wolf? I would rather try and gain traction for a player who I think might be a wolf then just trying to save my own hide.

how are you going to gain traction if you aren't around?

so you'd rather get lynched than vote for katy is what you are saying?

[Autumn]

Font, it looks like you found some PF posts that I missed, so I'm going to go back again and take a look at those.

[Zinto]

how are you going to gain traction if you aren't around?

so you'd rather get lynched than vote for katy is what you are saying?


No before I leave I am going to switch my vote if it means saving me but until I leave I would rather put my vote on someone who I think might be a wolf. It is still early enough that I do not have to vote Katy because I have more then enough time to switch.

[Chubby]

zinto -

bhlloy has one of the worst voting records last 2 days in my opionion.

i'm neutral on font, i just think there's far better choices

[Zinto]

Well, bhlloy's vote two days ago was just as bad as everyone else's vote. I know his voting record is going to be extremely poor whenever I bite the dust and come up a villager. It is too easy to get blinders on and vote for him because he always votes for me.

[murrayyyyy]

I don't think it is necessarily the best play to vote for Katy. Did you think I was going to vote for her after saying a few times the last two days she was not a wolf?


Can I ask why Katy has the clearance?

D1 no vote
D2 only vote left on Latham
D3 what some could see as a suicide vote for the Brutal at the last second.
D4 is on me (because she thinks we have played the same which I think I could easily argue against)

[Autumn]

It is interesting that PF backed off of CW once he got grief for piling on. By the time he voted against CW was tied with Murray, Mauchow and Lathum. Instead of going back to CW, he voted for me, he added me to the mix. If there was a wolf in that mix, you'd think he would put someone else ahead. If there were two wolves, maybe he would add someone else. If there were no wolves, he might add someone new, though it's the opposite of his previous pile-on.

[Zinto]

Can I ask why Katy has the clearance?

D1 no vote
D2 only vote left on Latham
D3 what some could see as a suicide vote for the Brutal at the last second.
D4 is on me (because she thinks we have played the same which I think I could easily argue against)


It is not that I think she should get a pass, but in my mind a wolf is never as quiet as she has played. I just think she is an inactive villager and I could be completely wrong about that. It is just how She played almost exactly this quiet last game and she was a villager. If she ends up being a wolf then I will know for next time.

[mauchow]

KatyLied 3 - murra5y (1121), Lathum (1164), Narcizo (1168)
Zinto 3 - bhlloy (1101), mauchow (1147), Chubby (1183)
fontisian 2 - Passacaglia (1150), Zinto (1183)
mauchow 1 - Autumn (1158)
murra5y 1 - KatyLies (1175)

No vote - fontisian

Moving to top.

[Zinto]

Well I went to buy beer and such and nothing has happened since I left so it looks like I am going to...

Unvote Font
Vote Katy

[Zinto]

I may be on later to check in but no promises.

[mauchow]

Everyone must be having beers. I had one earlier this afternoon then realized I couldn't have anymore until I got back home from seeing baby girl at hospital which is where I am now.

[Chubby]

No vote from font still

[fontisian]

Actually, I'm going to take back the Lathum thing because of his vote on PF near the end of day 2.
Vote Chubby for now. If it comes down to Katy and Zinto, I'll be voting for Katy.

[bhlloy]

Back around

[bhlloy]

Why chubby? And do you really think it's a good idea to introduce a new candidate with 1:10 to go to deadline?

[fontisian]

Why chubby? And do you really think it's a good idea to introduce a new candidate with 1:10 to go to deadline?
When I'm not happy with the current candidates? Yes. Though the lack of activity on friday nights will probably make in meaningless.

[Autumn]

Well, I think Mauchow is a better choice, but out of Katy and Zinto I think Zinto is the stronger choice.

<b>UNVOTE MAUCHOW
VOTE ZINTO</b>

[fontisian]

And ah, this during day 2 effectively stopped the run on pf as hoops then moved in self defense.
So what's the argument for pf over hoops?
Pf at 3?
Time to apply pressure

unvote coffee
Vote hoops

[Chubby]

Of course font doesn't answer the 1st part lol

[fontisian]

I believe that was a ninja. It takes me a minute to get quotes together, man.

[Chubby]

And ah, this during day 2 effectively stopped the run on pf as hoops then moved in self defense.

I went from a villager onto a non-villager. What a poor vote by me lol

[Autumn]

You went from a villager to someone a wolf would think was a villager, Chubby. You keep trying to make it sound great that you voted Hoops, but it's not really.

[JAG]

KatyLied 4 - murra5y (1121), Lathum (1164), Narcizo (1168), Zinto (1203)
Zinto 4 - bhlloy (1101), mauchow (1147), Chubby (1183), Autumn (1211)
Chubby 1 - fontisian (1207)
fontisian 1 - Passacaglia (1150)
murra5y 1 - KatyLies (1175)

[fontisian]

Maybe you don't understand this. Hoops was for all intents and purposes a villager. He was on our side and his death was bad.

[bhlloy]

When I'm not happy with the current candidates? Yes. Though the lack of activity on friday nights will probably make in meaningless.

It would be meaningless at the best of times. Just looks like you are trying to avoid making a meaningful vote to be honest

[mauchow]

Yeah not sure why chubby got introduced.

[Chubby]

You went from a villager to someone a wolf would think was a villager, Chubby. You keep trying to make it sound great that you voted Hoops, but it's not really.

And yet I thought hoops was a wolf

[bhlloy]

Am I crazy for thinking I wouldn't mind a tie here? I think it's very likely we have a wolf on the block but damned if I know which one

[Autumn]

It would be meaningless at the best of times. Just looks like you are trying to avoid making a meaningful vote to be honest

Wel, font is doing more analysis than the rest of the village put together today so I don't see any reason to fault her, really.

[Chubby]

Maybe you don't understand this. Hoops was for all intents and purposes a villager. He was on our side and his death was bad.

He was not on our side, he was on his own side

[Autumn]

And yet I thought hoops was a wolf

Right, and in the meantime helped shift the vote from an actual wolf. So it's rather ridiculous for a vet to pretend like there's nothing to look at there.

[Chubby]

Am I crazy for thinking I wouldn't mind a tie here? I think it's very likely we have a wolf on the block but damned if I know which one

Yes, you'd be crazy for thinking that.

[mauchow]

Am I crazy for thinking I wouldn't mind a tie here? I think it's very likely we have a wolf on the block but damned if I know which one

Very crazy.

A tie creates a possibility of two dying.. one of the random could be our seer.

If we lost 3 villagers tonight that would be awful.

[Chubby]

Right, and in the meantime helped shift the vote from an actual wolf. So it's rather ridiculous for a vet to pretend like there's nothing to look at there.

Is this where we say, why are you still alive?

[fontisian]

Is this where we say, why are you still alive?
See, there's a difference in the type of analysis here. One looks at the actual actions of people. The other relies on faulty meta rules.

[bhlloy]

Ah I didn't read the rules and didn't know one would be random. Ignore that then

[Autumn]

If you think they should have crammed me in somewhere in between Hoops, Danny a conversion and Britrock, yeah.

[Chubby]

Right, and in the meantime helped shift the vote from an actual wolf. So it's rather ridiculous for a vet to pretend like there's nothing to look at there.

and yet the argument is the wolves were pushing for PF to get lynched. which is it?

[Autumn]

Notice I didn't vote you, and took you off my list, Chubby?

[Autumn]

If you want to breeze in and throw around witty comments, at least catch up first.

[Chubby]

Notice I didn't vote you, and took you off my list, Chubby?

oh i paid attention.

font - you mean like trying to add a candidate with an hour to go on a night that there hasn't been a lot of discussion? :D

[Autumn]

Chubby, what would help is if you actually offered something constructive instead of just taking pot shots. Do you have a reason we shouldn't vote you?

[Autumn]

If the wolves were trying to save PF, you're a prime suspect, Chubby. I've been going with the other angle, but it's just as possible that they thought they could save him.

[Chubby]

Chubby, what would help is if you actually offered something constructive instead of just taking pot shots. Do you have a reason we shouldn't vote you?

Of course. I'm a villager.

[Chubby]

If the wolves were trying to save PF, you're a prime suspect, Chubby. I've been going with the other angle, but it's just as possible that they thought they could save him.

As I said earlier, I was well aware of the attention my vote would bring. I ont shy away from that. I was prepared to move if needed, I didn't need to. Why move and get the "its a wolf vote trying to buy trust"?

[Autumn]

Pass is buried out in left field again.

[Chubby]

yup, and Katy.

[Autumn]

So Font, when it comes time to decide, who are you going with?

[fontisian]

Probably Katy.

[Autumn]

You made a pretty good case, Font, for murray, narc and lathum being entangled with PF. So you sure you want to follow their vote?

[fontisian]

I prefer my own analysis to following. Right now all I have against Zinto is this:
Unfortunately, PF said he would probably not be on around the deadlines so I think a late pile on him would not do much good for the village because he cannot reveal.

[murrayyyyy]

You made a pretty good case, Font, for murray, narc and lathum being entangled with PF. So you sure you want to follow their vote?

Does this mean you are the convert with Bhlloy and Katy?

[Passacaglia]

Pass is buried out in left field again.

Hello.

[Autumn]

I prefer my own analysis to following. Right now all I have against Zinto is this:

My point is that your analysis suggests you're voting with three possible wolves. It makes me wonder if you believe your own analysis.

[Autumn]

Does this mean you are the convert with Bhlloy and Katy?

? I don't get it.

[Autumn]

Hello.

I gotta say, if you, Chubby and Katy are the wolves I'm going to stop playing Werewolf.