WW CLVII - Ghostbusters - Game Over (result in post 1521)

[murrayyyyy]

? I don't get it.

Never seen you try to steer away a vote like this before. Katy is up for vote, you and Bhlloy are on the other option. She isn't here to move her vote. It's like you are recruiting votes on the iffy people.

[Autumn]

I'm trying to decide if I think Font is a villager or not. I'm likely to move my vote to Katy if necessary, but I find it a bit odd that Font does a great analysis that points at some people as wolves and then thinks it's smart to vote the same as them.

[fontisian]

It actually weirded me out a little as well.

And yeah, I'm skeptical of the validity of my own analysis. I'm rarely right about these things. Frankly, I'm tempted to vote Katy on principle because of the mega-lurking and the last minute vote, but her play in the last game was pretty similar. Nhhh.

[Autumn]

Villagers who work hard on post analysis usually vote by it. Wolves who try to look good by doing post analysis don't mind changing their mind if it's expedient.

[JAG]

KatyLied 4 - murra5y (1121), Lathum (1164), Narcizo (1168), Zinto (1203)
Zinto 4 - bhlloy (1101), mauchow (1147), Chubby (1183), Autumn (1211)
Chubby 1 - fontisian (1207)
fontisian 1 - Passacaglia (1150)
murra5y 1 - KatyLies (1175)

[Autumn]

Watch as Font and Pass make people think they're wolves by waiting until the last second to vote!

[fontisian]

I guess Narcizo and Lathum could be trying to protect Zinto by voting for Katy, but I haven't really noticed a connection between Zinto and them.

Vote Katy

[Autumn]

Thrill as villagers worry about a tie and make a mad scramble of unvotes!

[Autumn]

you've got to unvote, font.

[fontisian]

Unvote Chubby
Vote Katy

Thanks.

[Autumn]

Will Pass tie it up, put it away, or simply wander off in a daze yet again??

[fontisian]

Unvote Katy
Vote Zinto
Please excuse my indecision.

[Autumn]

Does this throw a wrench in the works? Who's cursing right now?

[JAG]

Zinto 5 - bhlloy (1101), mauchow (1147), Chubby (1183), Autumn (1211), fontisian (1262)
KatyLied 4 - murra5y (1121), Lathum (1164), Narcizo (1168), Zinto (1203),
fontisian 1 - Passacaglia (1150)
murra5y 1 - KatyLies (1175)

[murrayyyyy]

Does this throw a wrench in the works? Who's cursing right now?

Not me, all it does is proves me right if a villager dies.

[Autumn]

Vote where you want, Font, I'm just curious to see what you're thinking.

[mauchow]

hmm

[JAG]

Deadline

[Autumn]

Hey, look who's here.

[bhlloy]

love to hear a reason behind that late switch font, even though I agree with the result

[murrayyyyy]

Welp, we will find out soon enough. I've been trying to find a 3rd for Bhlloy and Katy all day.

[Chubby]

Hey, look who's here.

?

[mauchow]

I'm guessing she is as unsure as the rest of us

[JAG]

Processing results off final vote tally:

Zinto 5 - bhlloy (1101), mauchow (1147), Chubby (1183), Autumn (1211), fontisian (1262)
KatyLied 4 - murra5y (1121), Lathum (1164), Narcizo (1168), Zinto (1203),
fontisian 1 - Passacaglia (1150)
murra5y 1 - KatyLies (1175)

[fontisian]

love to hear a reason behind that late switch font, even though I agree with the result
It actually weirded me out a little as well.

And yeah, I'm skeptical of the validity of my own analysis. I'm rarely right about these things. Frankly, I'm tempted to vote Katy on principle because of the mega-lurking and the last minute vote, but her play in the last game was pretty similar. Nhhh.
I am incredibly indecisive.

[murrayyyyy]

I'm guessing she is as unsure as the rest of us

Unfortunately or fortunately for her, someone had to be the deciding vote.

[Autumn]

?

Just thought it was funny Mauchow showed up exactly at 10.

[murrayyyyy]

I am incredibly indecisive.

Don't kid yourself, we all are.

[mauchow]

Just thought it was funny Mauchow showed up exactly at 10.

I've been around for the past twenty minutes in and out -- watching Iowa/MSU.

[Chubby]

Just thought it was funny Mauchow showed up exactly at 10.

i just wasn't sure who you were talking about. i saw mau in the thread a few times I thought but I was watching the SU game too

[Autumn]

Ah, well too bad he didn't partake in the actual discussion!

[murrayyyyy]

You guys aren't watching the Digger Phleph highlighter jerseys versus Louisville? It's burning my eyes.

[mauchow]

Too many brownies in my hands to talk a whole lot. lol

I'm actually feeling sick now. Brownies and beer not a great combo.

[Autumn]

I actually have no clue what to expect here. Katy and Zinto were both on my list, so I figured either way we might get lucky, or both ways.

[Chubby]

You guys aren't watching the Digger Phleph highlighter jerseys versus Louisville? It's burning my eyes.

nope, background noise :D

[Autumn]

Too many brownies in my hands to talk a whole lot. lol

I'm actually feeling sick now. Brownies and beer not a great combo.

Thanks for this thoroughly disgusting image of you hunched over the keyboard, brownies squeezing out between your fingers as you type to us, belching.

[Chubby]

Too many brownies in my hands to talk a whole lot. lol

I'm actually feeling sick now. Brownies and beer not a great combo.

"those" brownies don't mix with beer I thought

[Coffee Warlord]

Hey look guys! I'm a ghost now!

[bhlloy]

I actually have no clue what to expect here. Katy and Zinto were both on my list, so I figured either way we might get lucky, or both ways.

That's what I was thinking when I made my dumb comment about the tie. I like both of these candidates, along with most of the rest of the game :D

[mauchow]

Thanks for this thoroughly disgusting image of you hunched over the keyboard, brownies squeezing out between your fingers as you type to us, belching.
You're very welcome. They're clean now. They weren't 20 minutes ago.

I'm not hunched. I'm in my bed in just underwear, laying down on my side typing on the computer.

[Autumn]

That's what I was thinking when I made my dumb comment about the tie. I like both of these candidates, along with most of the rest of the game :D

Yeah, I could see where you were coming from. I figured leaving it up to the rest of y'all was about as random as a tiebreaker.

[hoopsguy]

You're very welcome. They're clean now. They weren't 20 minutes ago.

I'm not hunched. I'm in my bed in just underwear, laying down on my side typing on the computer.

Where is that pic that used to get associated with Izulde?

[murrayyyyy]

Everyone liked Katy and she survived? Now I'm confused even more.

[Autumn]

You're very welcome. They're clean now. They weren't 20 minutes ago.

I'm not hunched. I'm in my bed in just underwear, laying down on my side typing on the computer.

lol, nice edit.

[JAG]

Another breakthrough of sorts as you narrow down the location of the heightened psychokinetic activity to a building whose architect was Ivo Shandor, a known Gozer worshipper many years ago. You arrive at the ominous-looking building and nominate Zinto to go in first since his birthday is right around the corner. Surely nothing will go wrong. But oh no! A large piece of the building breaks off and impales Zinto where he stands. Good thing for the rest of you that you let him go first. You go to check his body and discover that he is just a citizen.

While you are mourning the loss of your compatriot, you realize another of your number is missing. Where is murray of the many y's? Then you locate him in an untidy mess on a nearby sidewalk, apparently having been ripped to shreds.

Zinto was a citizen of NYC.
murrayyyyy was a citizen of NYC.

Day 5 begins. Deadline for D5/N5 will be 10pm EST Sunday night March 17th.

[Autumn]

Everyone liked Katy and she survived? Now I'm confused even more.

Looks like Katy will live to clog up the thread with posts another day!

[murrayyyyy]

Where is that pic that used to get associated with Izulde?

Don't tell me it's the bearded guy with guns in his underwear... I just ate.

[fontisian]

Well crap.

[murrayyyyy]

You son of a bitchhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!

*cough cough blood

[Autumn]

Well, now we're in some trouble.

[Chubby]

so what do we think the numbers are?

[Autumn]

Murray is not what I expected. If we're lucky maybe Zinto was a possible convert. I wonder if JAG would tell us that.

I WONDER.

[Autumn]

I was guessing that if we lost two villagers we'd be 5-1-3? Does that even make sense?

[Autumn]

Looks like I have to do it again. We lucked out with no convert (sorry, bye murray). Still a cultist and roled villagers out there.

[murrayyyyy]

Well if makes you guys feel any better I got a date with someone on the rebound tomorrow night so I wouldn't be around anyway :-P

[mauchow]

Umm I think we have to be perfect as a village from here on out.

[Autumn]

5-1-3, yeah, I think that's right. (1 being cultist). They can't quite gang up in the vote yet.

[fontisian]

Time for a seer reveal?

[Autumn]

Well if makes you guys feel any better I got a date with someone on the rebound tomorrow night so I wouldn't be around anyway :-P

Sounds much better than hanging around here.

[Chubby]

Murray is not what I expected. If we're lucky maybe Zinto was a possible convert. I wonder if JAG would tell us that.

I WONDER.

my guess is we aren't being told

[mauchow]

Assuming it is what Autumn says it is 5-3-1.

If it's 6-2-1 then we might still be okay. Especially if our seer has FOUR scans..

I definitely think today is the day of the reveal, too.

[Autumn]

Time for a seer reveal?

God, I hope so. Here's hoping the seer actually has some results that are useful.

[Autumn]

Assuming it is what Autumn says it is 5-3-1.

If it's 6-2-1 then we might still be okay. Especially if our seer has FOUR scans..

I definitely think today is the day of the reveal, too.

I guess it's conceivable they had a block, not a convert, but I don't think so. If so they would have known who that was and gone back after them.

And I can't imagine they started with only two baddies. Seems clear ther'es at least two terror dogs. The worry is that it's actually 4-4-1.

[murrayyyyy]

Sounds much better than hanging around here.

It's the only reveal I had going for me all day lol.

Best of luck village.

[Chubby]

the only other sliver of i hope I see in the rules is that the ghosts can't win if there's 2 ghostbusters with a charge of their pack left. cross the streams would auto proc but who the hell knows what would happen

otherwise, yes, we better be perfect me thinks

[Autumn]

Yeah they've got to hit a ghostbuster and they're missing so far. Even if they hit one, there's a chance it will fail though which may give us an extra day.

[Autumn]

Best case: seer reveals and can vouch for several other villagers (well, best case is has a wolf). We narrow down the 2-3 wolves among 4-5 folks and have a good shot at a vote.

Worst case: seer reveals and has a bunch of dead folks as scans and we kick them in the shins.

[Chubby]

Yeah they've got to hit a ghostbuster and they're missing so far. Even if they hit one, there's a chance it will fail though which may give us an extra day.

if i read the rules right, if we lynch another villager then then ghosts deplete a GB's pack (even if they don't kill them) it could still be game over if after the lynch is makes us even

[mauchow]

I guess I can wait impatiently til the morning to hopefully read up on the seer results.

[Chubby]

time to hit the sack

[mauchow]

Passa avoiding conflict completely tonight despite supposedly being around to say "Hello" really doesn't sit well with me and will get a long close look tomorrow.

Almost seemed like one of those bot programs. If you say Passa's name he automatically says, "Hi" or "Hello".

[Autumn]

Yeah, I'm going to be discouraged if Pass and Katy are wolves. Well, I'm discouraged if they're villagers too.

Heading to bed. I think we're fairly done for if the seer doesn't reveal, so hopefully they will. But I will try to figure out tomorrow where I would vote independent of that.

[bhlloy]

Obviously a big +1 to the seer having to reveal. Even if that's only to clear a couple of villagers that's a huge help. Not sure where we go from here

[KatyLied]

Yeah, I'm going to be discouraged if Pass and Katy are wolves. Well, I'm discouraged if they're villagers too.

I'm happy to be alive but the circumstances are unfortunate. :( Sorry to lose one of the good guys.

[Narcizo]

Time for a seer reveal?

Definitely - and sooner rather than later. If eveyone has been on then I guess that they haven't scanned a wolf but a couple of villagers cleared would be a huge boon at this stage.

[Narcizo]

I'm going to guess that the wolves don't say much of anything until the seer has revealed. I, on the other hand, suspect that Autumn is Walter Peck. I think he thought Danny was a wolf so he piggybacked on him day two and three. I think he was looking for guidance yesterday so when/if I get a chance I'm going to look at the movement yesterday. Could be wrong of course.

I think I know the seer and maybe the duke. I shall see if I get time to look into things later. I hope I'm right about the seer as it should clear a fair bit up.

5-1-3 means 3 vanillas, 1 Peck, 2 starting wolves and the convertee.

[Narcizo]

I also have a very clear idea of the correct strategy here but I want to see what happens with the seer first.

[Chubby]

well I will say:

I ain't 'fraid of no ghosts.

and to my fellow ghostbuster... CROSS THE STREAMS!

[Narcizo]

Or, you know, wait a bit and see if we can't sort this out logically.

I presume that you're claiming to be Venkman then, Chubby? I really think we need to have full disclosure at this time. Just claiming to be a "Ghostbuster" means that you can't be called out and we need to build as big of a circle of trust as possible today.

[Narcizo]

Day One

20:43 #46 Lathum votes Autumn (1)
20:51 #49 Coffee votes Danny (1)
02:35 #57 Narcizo votes DaddyTorgo (1)
09:30 #68 Autumn votes Lathum (1)
09:43 #69 Britrock votes Chubby (1)

11:05 #75 Packer votes Autumn (2)
11:15 #76 Bhlloy votes Packer (1)
11:43 #82 murrayyyyy votes Coffee (1)
12:34 #85 mauchow votes Danny (2)
12:47 #89 Danny votes Lathum (2)

13:09 #91 Coffee unvotes Danny (1)
13:34 #95 Hoops votes DaddyTorgo (2)
14:13 #99 Coffee votes Packers (2)
14:32 #108 Chubby votes Mau (1)
15:54 #114 Pass votes Mau (2)
15:58 #119 Coffee unvotes Packers (1)
15:58 #119 Coffee votes DaddyTorgo (3)
15:59 #120 mau unvotes Danny (0)

16:07 #127 Mau votes Coffee (2)
16:15 #129 fontisian votes Lathum (3)
17:18 #134 britrock unvotes Chubby (0)
17:18 #134 britrock votes Coffee (3)
17:24 #137 Lathum unvotes Autumn (1)
17:24 #137 Lathum votes mau (3)
17:46 #139 Bhlloy unvotes Packers (0)
17:46 #139 Bhlloy votes Lathum (4)
17:53 #140 Lathum unvotes Mau (2)
17:53 #140 Lathum votes Coffee (4)

18:04 #146 Coffee unvotes DaddyTorgo (2)
18:04 #146 Coffee votes mau (3)
18:31 #150 Lathum unvotes Coffee (3)
18:31 #150 Lathum votes mau (4)
18:53 #160 Packer unvotes Autumn (0)
18:53 #161 Packers votes Coffee (4)
19:22 #171 Zinto votes Lathum (5)
19:58 #182 Mau unvotes Coffee (3)
19:58 #182 Mau votes DaddyTorgo (3)

20:00 #187 Danny unvotes Lathum (4)
20:00 #187 Danny votes DaddyTorgo (4)
20:02 #189 Lathum unvotes Mau (3)
20:02 #189 Lathum votes DaddyTorgo (5)
20:05 #199 DaddyTorgo votes Lathum (5)
20:28 #208 Coffee unvotes mau (2)
20:28 #208 Coffee votes DaddyTorgo (6)
20:29 #210 Daddy unvotes Lathum (4)
20:29 #210 Daddy votes Coffee (4)

20:50 #232 Brit unvotes Coffee (3)
20:50 #232 Brit votes Lathum (5)
20:50 #233 Daddy unvotes Coffee (2)
20:50 #233 Daddy votes Lathum (6)
20:53 #241 Zinto unvotes Lathum (5)
20:53 #241 Zinto votes Daddy (7)
20:57 #265 Chubby unvotes mau (1)
20:57 #265 Chubby votes Daddy (8)

Day One Tally:

8 DaddyTorgo - Narcizo (57), hoopsguy (95), mauchow (182), Danny (187), Lathum (189), Coffee Warlord (208), Zinto (241), Chubby (265)
5 Lathum - Autumn (68), fontisian (129), bhlloy (139), britrock88 (232), DaddyTorgo (233)
2 Coffee Warlord - murra5y (82), PackerFanatic (161)
1 mauchow - Passacaglia (114)

No Vote: Katylied

[Narcizo]

Day Two

21:36 #326 Lathum votes Autumn (1)
21:47 #329 murra5y votes Lathum (1)
22:31 #337 bhlloy votes Lathum (2)
07:30 #356 Chubby votes Coffee (1)
07:54 #360 Coffee votes Bhlloy (1)
08:04 #363 Narcizo votes Bhlloy (2)
09:45 #378 Autumn votes Passacaglia (1)
10:02 #382 Passacaglia votes Katylied (1)

10:41 #386 Bhlloy unvotes Lathum (1)
10:41 #386 Bhlloy votes Mau (1)
12:07 #390 Mau votes Coffee (2)
12:30 #396 Passacaglia unvotes Katylied (0)
13:15 #401 Danny votes Coffee (3)
13:22 #404 murra5y unvotes Lathum (0)
13:22 #404 murra5y votes Coffee (4)
13:30 #408 Packer votes Coffee (5)

13:47 #416 Passacaglia votes mau (2)
14:00 #423 Mau unvotes Coffee (4)
14:00 #423 Mau votes Lathum (1)
14:17 #429 Danny unvotes Coffee (3)
14:17 #429 Danny votes Packer (1)
14:23 #431 Coffee unvotes bhlloy (1)
14:23 #431 Coffee votes murra5y (1)
14:30 #434 Packer unvotes Coffee (2)
14:46 #441 Narcizo unvotes bhlloy (0)
14:46 #441 Narcizo votes murra5y (2)
14:55 #445 murra5y unvotes Coffee (1)
14:55 #445 murra5y votes Lathum (2)

15:10 #447 Packer votes Autumn (2)
15:32 #452 Autumn unvotes Passa (0)
15:32 #452 Autumn votes Mau (3)
15:58 #465 Passa unvotes Mau (2)
15:58 #465 Passa votes Coffee (2)
16:44 #481 fontisian votes Hoops (1)
16:54 #487 Danny unvotes Packer (0)
16:54 #487 Danny votes Coffee (3)
17:23 #496 Packer votes Coffee (4)

17:55 #504 Autumn unvotes Mau (1)
17:55 #504 Autumn votes Hoops (2)
17:58 #505 Danny unvotes Coffee (3)
17:58 #505 Danny votes Hoops (3)
18:43 #518 Katylied votes Lathum (3)
18:51 #523 Zinto votes Hoops (4)
19:26 #528 bhlloy unvotes mau (0)
19:26 #528 bhlloy votes Coffee (4)
19:33 #529 Lathum unvotes Autumn (0)
19:48 #534 Lathum votes Coffee (5)

20:06 #556 Coffee unvotes murra5y (1)
20:06 #556 Coffee votes Packers (1)
20:09 #561 Hoops votes Packers (2)
20:09 #562 Lathum unvotes Coffee (4)
20:09 #562 Lathum votes Packers (3)
20:30 #575 Chubby unvotes Coffee (3)
20:30 #575 Chubby votes Hoops (5)
20:38 #590 Hoops unvotes Packers (2)
20:38 #590 Hoops votes Coffee (4)
20:44 #600 Coffee unvotes Packers (1)
20:44 #600 Coffee votes Lathum (4)
20:47 #604 Lathum unvotes Packers (0)
20:47 #604 Lathum votes Coffee (5)

20:48 #610 Lathum unvotes Coffee (4)
20:48 #610 Lathum votes Hoops (6)
20:49 #612 murra5y unvotes Lathum (3)
20:49 #612 murra5y votes Coffee (5)
20:53 #626 mauchow unvotes Lathum (2)
20:53 #626 mauchow votes Coffee (6)
20:54 #629 Coffee unvotes Lathum (1)
20:54 #629 Coffee votes Hoops (7)
20:59 #647 Lathum unvotes Hoops (6)
20:59 #647 Lathum votes Coffee (7)


Day Two tally:

Coffee Warlord 7 - Passacaglia (465), PackerFanatic (496), bhlloy (528), hoopsguy (590), murra5y (612), mauchow (626), Lathum (647)
hoopsguy 6 - fontisian (481), Autumn (504), Danny (505), Zinto (523), Chubby (575), Coffee Warlord (629)
Lathum 1 - KatyLied (518)
murra5y 1 - Narcizo (441)

[Narcizo]

Day Three

21:26 #732 Danny votes Packers (1)
20:18 #764 murra5y votes Zinto (1)
07:43 #779 Narcizo votes bhlloy (1)
08:20 #787 Autumn votes Packers (2)
09:20 #806 mauchow votes Packers (3)
09:29 #810 Lathum votes bhlloy (2)
10:05 #815 bhlloy votes Zinto (2)

15:29 #865 Packer votes bhlloy (3)
15:33 #869 chubby votes Pass (1)
16:41 #898 Passa votes Packers (4)
17:01 #908 Chubby unvotes Pass (0)
17:01 #908 Chubby votes Lathum (1)
17:19 #918 Hoops votes Bhlloy (4)
17:21 #919 fontisian votes Zinto (3)

20:14 #932 Zinto votes Packers (5)
20:16 #933 fontisian unvotes Zinto (2)
20:16 #933 fontisian votes bhlloy (5)
20:25 #940 Lathum unvotes bhlloy (4)
20:25 #940 Lathum votes Packers (6)
20:58 #983 Katylied votes Packers (7)
20:59 #987 murra5y unvotes zinto (1)
20:59 #987 murra5y votes bhlloy (5)

Day Three Tally:

PackerFanatic 7 - Danny (732), Autumn (787), mauchow (806), Passacaglia (898), Zinto (932), Lathum (940), KatyLied (983)
bhlloy 5 - Narcizo (779), PackerFanatic (865), hoopsguy (918), fontisian (933), murra5y (987)
Zinto 1 - bhlloy (815)
Lathum 1 - Chubby (908)

[Chubby]

Or, you know, wait a bit and see if we can't sort this out logically.

I presume that you're claiming to be Venkman then, Chubby? I really think we need to have full disclosure at this time. Just claiming to be a "Ghostbuster" means that you can't be called out and we need to build as big of a circle of trust as possible today.

I don't think it's in our best interest to tell the ghosts how many charges of our proton packs we have. In fact, the other ghostbuster doesn't even really need to reveal.

I think our situation is dire enough to risk crossing the streams.

[mauchow]

I was thinking you might be the seer chubby.

[Narcizo]

I don't think it's in our best interest to tell the ghosts how many charges of our proton packs we have. In fact, the other ghostbuster doesn't even really need to reveal.

I think our situation is dire enough to risk crossing the streams.

Really no. "The other ghostbuster doesn't even really need to reveal"? O Rly?

Anyway, my plan is thusly. Spengler and Venkman both reveal. If there's two Spengler's revealing then Venkman decides who we should kill, If there's only one then they both get to decide. The rest of us state our cases but we ALL vote the same way as Venkler. Given even one clear by Spengler then we have a better than 50:50 shot at hitting a wolf I'd say.

I'm vanilla as they come.

[Chubby]

Really no. "The other ghostbuster doesn't even really need to reveal"? O Rly?

Anyway, my plan is thusly. Spengler and Venkman both reveal. If there's two Spengler's revealing then Venkman decides who we should kill, If there's only one then they both get to decide. The rest of us state our cases but we ALL vote the same way as Venkler. Given even one clear by Spengler then we have a better than 50:50 shot at hitting a wolf I'd say.

I'm vanilla as they come.

yeah that plan is kinda not what I want to do. and since I have the proton pack, i think i'll make the decision as to what keeps me the most safe.

I can't really help clear people. Now, you could take that 2 ways: either I'm Egon and my scans are dead or I'm Venkman.

[Narcizo]

Day Four Vote

03:17 #1056 Narcizo votes Katylied (1)
04:36 #1060 Chubby votes murra5y (1)
06:28 #1062 Lathum votes Chubby (1)
07:20 #1065 Narcizo unvotes Katylied (0)
07:20 #1065 Narcizo votes murra5y (2)
09:19 #1089 Autumn votes Katylied (1)
10:17 #1101 Bhlloy votes Zinto (1)
10:50 #1121 murra5y votes katylied (2)

13:48 #1137 Narcizo unvotes murra5y (1)
13:48 #1137 Narcizo votes Katylied (3)
13:53 #1137 Narcizo unvotes Katylied (2)
14:30 #1147 mauchow votes zinto (2)
15:10 #1149 Narcizo votes murra5y (2)
16:07 #1150 Pass votes fontisian (1)
16:30 #1158 Autumn unvotes Katy (1)
16:30 #1158 Autumn votes mauchow (1)

16:39 #1164 Lathum unvotes Chubby (0)
16:39 #1164 Lathum votes Katylied (2)
16:46 #1168 Narcizo unvotes murra5y (1)
16:46 #1168 Narcizo votes Katylied (3)
17:12 #1175 katylied votes murra5y (2)
17:32 #1182 Zinto votes fontisian (2)
17:37 #1183 Chubby unvotes murra5y (1)
17:37 #1183 Chubby votes Zinto (3)
19:27 #1203 Zinto unvotes fontisian (1)
19:27 #1203 Zinto votes Katylied (4)
19:48 #1207 fontisian votes Chubby (1)
19:53 #1211 Autumn unvotes mauchow (0)
19:53 #1211 Autumn votes Zinto (4)
20:56 #1260 fontisian unvotes Chubby (0)
20:56 #1260 fontisian votes Katylied (5)
20:57 #1262 fontisian unvotes Katylied (4)
20:57 #1262 fontisian votes Zinto (5)

Day Four Tally

Zinto 5 - bhlloy (1101), mauchow (1147), Chubby (1183), Autumn (1211), fontisian (1262)
KatyLied 4 - murra5y (1121), Lathum (1164), Narcizo (1168), Zinto (1203)
fontisian 1 - Passacaglia (1150)
murra5y 1 - KatyLied (1175)

[Narcizo]

2. In a desperate situation (or anytime they feel like it if they are fine with throwing caution to the wind), then can Cross the Streams. Two Ghostbusters with at least one proton pack charge are required to submit this order for it to take place. If this occurs, it takes the place of a lynch during the day. The actual results of this are unpredictable but very likely to be highly destructive and could even make a bad situation worse. If the forces of Gozer would otherwise win due to ratio and two Ghostbusters remain with at least one charge left in each of their proton packs, this order will automatically be submitted and may give the Ghostbusters + Citizens a chance to save the game.


So you think it's better to take that chance AND remove your protection for the night. And it means that you can't do it again if the baddies actually get to equality. I don't think it's going to magically win the game for us but in the circumstances it could easily lose the game for us. So, even if you do do it we're still going to need trust lists and stuff to see which way to go. But, sure, if you and the other ghostbuster want to go that way then it's up to you both.

If you're Spengler unless you scanned murra5y last night then you must have at least one decent scan. Right? But if you are Spengler and you did scan murra5y last night then you're probably right. We are screwed.

[Narcizo]

yeah that plan is kinda not what I want to do. and since I have the proton pack, i think i'll make the decision as to what keeps me the most safe.

Except, you know, if the "other" ghostbuster doesn't go along with you then your plan doesn't get you anywhere. So we still have to vote and stuff in case he doesn't go your route.

[Chubby]

So you think it's better to take that chance AND remove your protection for the night. And it means that you can't do it again if the baddies actually get to equality. I don't think it's going to magically win the game for us but in the circumstances it could easily lose the game for us. So, even if you do do it we're still going to need trust lists and stuff to see which way to go. But, sure, if you and the other ghostbuster want to go that way then it's up to you both.

If you're Spengler unless you scanned murra5y last night then you must have at least one decent scan. Right? But if you are Spengler and you did scan murra5y last night then you're probably right. We are screwed.

It may or may not remove my protection for tonight. It's a risk i'm willing to take considering how bad I think our situation is.

[Passacaglia]

Will Pass tie it up, put it away, or simply wander off in a daze yet again??

Well, you know which one of these happened -- I got called away. I'm sorry if this is frustrating to everyone!

[mauchow]

Well we do have two days to think on it. I don't know if we should jump right into crossing. We can get vote history still and if you decide to cross then cross.

[Chubby]

Except, you know, if the "other" ghostbuster doesn't go along with you then your plan doesn't get you anywhere. So we still have to vote and stuff in case he doesn't go your route.

I agree.

[Narcizo]

OK so let's try and think about this logically. Two ghostbusters reveal but, worse case scenario, they don't have anyone else to clear. We all vote with the ghostbusters but hold a dummy vote for voting records and whatnot. I think Chubby has made it pretty clear that he's Spengler.

If we're 5-1-3 then there's slightly less than 50% chance that we hit a wolf, slightly less than 50% chance we hit a villager. Presuming that the two ghostbusters pick at random. Hopefully they will be able to make some deductions that increase the chance of getting a wolf.

If we hit a villager then I think it's pretty certain that the wolves are going to win.


If we hit a wolf then the wolves are 5-1-2.

They can take a shot at Spengler. If it bounces then we will still be able to cross the streams and will have another scan to work with. 5-1-2 tomorrow with another scan to work with. Looks good for the village.

Kill him and the situation is 4-1-2 without any more scans or the ability to cross the streams. We follow Venkman tomorrow but things aren't looking so hot for the village.

They might take the shot at Venkman removing his ability to cross the streams tomorrow.
Bounce and we can't cross the streams and we have another scan result and are 5-1-2. Again looking good for team village.
Kill him and we can't cross the streams but we have another scan result and are 4-1-2, and the seer still has his protection.

Or they might go for a vanilla. 4-1-2 and the ghostbusters can still cross the streams, and we have a scan result to help us tomorrow.
They might hit the convertee which would be 4-1-3 and then you would be able to cross the streams tomorrow and would have a scan result tomorrow.

Lynch Peck and it's 5-3. Up to the wolves if they want to take the certain kill of a vanilla and maybe get a conversion or if they want to take a pop at a ghostbuster.

To be honest I'm not sure which way is best. Chubby may be right after all. But if you do cross the streams you have to think that the other ghostbuster is going to be revealed so it shouldn't hurt for them to at least say that they're a ghostbuster.

[Narcizo]

Or there's no Peck and the situation could be a deal rosier for us, if it's 6-3. Or darker if it means we're currently 5-4. I know I said I thought Autumn was Peck but I'm not so sure about that, as it appears I was wrong about who I thought was Spengler.

[Narcizo]

OK. Targeting murra5y. Why?

1) pretty clear he was a vanilla. The wolves are hoping to get a conversion.
2) want to get Katy lynched if she's a villager. If two known villagers were on her then it looks like the wolves might have been stacking their votes on Zinto to save her.
3) If Katy is a baddy then you want to keep the pool of people who voted Zinto as large as possible to let some wolves hide out there.

So that's not a fat lot of help.

[Narcizo]

There are too many intangibles about the result of crossing the streams, whether Pecks in the game, whether we'd know if a convertee had been lynched or brutaled to make much of a decent decision based on the maths. Tough call for the other ghostbuster. Guess it's a gut call for them.

If Chubby isn't Spengler and Spengler has any sort of useful result to give then I think he should spill.

[fontisian]

If Chubby isn't Spengler and Spengler has any sort of useful result to give then I think he should spill.
Agreed.

Crossing the streams in really risky. I'd prefer to narrow down the possible wolves first.

[Narcizo]

Ooookay. So you're not claiming to be Spengler then fontisian? Meh! I suck at role-spotting. I've had you down as the seer for a couple of days now.

[fontisian]

Really? You got that from my vote on hoops then?
Nah, I'm not Spengler.

[Narcizo]

In fact Venkman doesn't have to reveal at all. He can just duke the vote where he wants and the wolves won't know who he is to target him before deadline. So it's up to Venkman if he wants to cross the streams or take a shot at a wolf. (Unless Chubby is Venkman, in which case maybe Spengler has better info for us)

[Autumn]

Well, it's an easy call for the wolves to fake reveal here, and easy for them to say they have no info, so I'll wait and see if anyone is going to counter Chubby. I think it's a bit early to consider crossing the streams. We've got two roled villagers left and even voting randomly a very good shot at hitting a wolf. The streams, by my understanding, are for when it's basically game over.

[Narcizo]

I suggest we
A) come up with a personal defence of ourselves and
B) try to reason who we think the wolves might be.

[Narcizo]

Then Venkman can make the call.

I definitely don't think that this should go to an actual vote - if we're 5-1-3 then there's just too much room for the wolves to sabotage the vote as ALL villagers will have to vote in unison. As we don't know who all the villagers are it will be impossible to swing that.

[Autumn]

Well, I think I've got a pretty good reasoning for not being a wolf. PF tried to get me in the vote several times. I was I think the second vote on PF and left it there despite many opportunities to move it. I suppose I could be Peck, and not have known PF, or I could have been doing what I strategized the wolves would do--throwing PF under the bus. So I'm definitely on the list.

I need to read back through yesterday's vote, but so far my thinking is about the same. I thought Mauchow was a more likely wolf than Katy or Zinto. I thought Murray was the least likely out of my list. So far so good. Lathum is kind of disappearing as the game goes on, which worries me, but he hasn't shown up in any of my analysis so far, and I took Chubby off the list because he was striking me as an argumentative villager.

So Mau, Pass and Katy remain my top three. When I looked back at PF's votes Mau came up repeatedly. When I put out my distrust list, I was watching to see how others handled it. I expected a wolf would grab it and run with it, voting someone they wanted to see in the running from it. That's what Mau did. Pass voted someone not on my list, which gave him a bit of cred with me, as I think those kind of lists make it easy for wolves to hide a vote. So I still lean towards Mau out of those three, but think it's likely two of them could be a wolf.

Narc, Lathum, Font, bhlloy. These guys I don't necessarily feel great about, but they haven't shown up in my analysis one way or the other.

[Autumn]

Then Venkman can make the call.

I definitely don't think that this should go to an actual vote - if we're 5-1-3 then there's just too much room for the wolves to sabotage the vote as ALL villagers will have to vote in unison. As we don't know who all the villagers are it will be impossible to swing that.

You don't think the lynch should go to a vote you mean? well, I think we should definitely vote. We have no idea if Venkman's going to do anything, and we need to see who people are voting. Voting with the plan to have it duked just gives the wolves an excuse to not really vote the way they would.

[mauchow]

I''ll do a quick list of what I think in order of likelyhood of being a ghost and later I will try to do more detail on these thoughts.

Katy - if she is a wolf I gotta think font has to be based on last nights switch. However, i do get the feeling she was uncertain with herself. Katy being a wolf would also put fire on a few others.

Pass - has been way too quiet and missed a key vote. If he creates the tie last night I would have switched my vote. No tie was going to happen on my watch.

Autumn - again knowing what katy is could be a huge key for us finding out autumns allegiance. He was definitely helping font lean into a certain vote. A bold move for a wolf but not far-fetched at the same time.

Lathum - not really utr but at the same time sort of.

Font-depends on katy

Narc

Bhlloy and chubby I feel pretty good with.

[Lathum]

Lathum is kind of disappearing as the game goes on, which worries me, but he hasn't shown up in any of my analysis so far,


Sorry. The way Chubby was taking his shots at me has kind of sucked the fun out of the game. I have no interest in putting lot of time into it just to have someone make nasty comments when they disagree with my plays.

Plus we had friends in town last night and I had a very busy day at work. My 7 1/2 month preggo wife doesn't feel well today, leaving me to fend alone with our 3 year old so my time will likely be limited..

[Chubby]

Sorry. The way Chubby was taking his shots at me has kind of sucked the fun out of the game. I have no interest in putting lot of time into it just to have someone make nasty comments when they disagree with my plays.

Plus we had friends in town last night and I had a very busy day at work. My 7 1/2 month preggo wife doesn't feel well today, leaving me to fend alone with our 3 year old so my time will likely be limited..

I had to see if I could get an old time Lathum blowup out of you. Nothing personal, I just don't think wolf Lathum would do that. Was also trying to get reactions from others and be more "out there" so that I wouldn't get put on the block and have to reveal before I felt it was time

[Chubby]

vote katy

to get a placeholder vote in

[KatyLied]

Vote Lathum.

Nothing personal, just seems like a logical suspect.

[Narcizo]

This paragraph reads really oddly, especially the end. It sounds like you're writing from the point of view of a non-Terror Dog scum, or from the perspective of a scum player trying to act like they know less than they do.

Vote hoopsguy

For fontisian - this is why I thought you were the seer. This pretty much sounds like you're looking for an excuse to justify voting for hoops. Pretty dary/risky play for the seer to up and vote for a (presumed) wolf like that but still.

[Passacaglia]

I didn't miss any votes.

[Lathum]

Vote Lathum.

Nothing personal, just seems like a logical suspect.

care to explain why?

[fontisian]

For fontisian - this is why I thought you were the seer. This pretty much sounds like you're looking for an excuse to justify voting for hoops. Pretty dary/risky play for the seer to up and vote for a (presumed) wolf like that but still.
Ah. I actually thought that the wording was odd enough to merit a pressure vote. Hoops' reaction kept me on him, as I thought he sounded a bit desperate.

Katy: Please explain your vote. You're making me regret not voting for you.

[Narcizo]

Muh! I can't get my head round this tonight. I hope to come back to this with more willingness to analyze tomorrow.

Vote fontisian

Without the blinkers of my belief that he's the seer he looks pretty damned lupine (or scummy as he would have it). His voting record is cack. He thinks that murra5y, Lathum and I are wolfies but he's considering voting with us for a long time yesterday.

At the moment my trust list is Lathum and, grudgingly, Chubby barring a counter reveal. I want to feel good about Pass as he's been banging away about Font for ages but he's not adverse to the odd wolf-on-wolf voting action.

I think I could be convinced to revisit Katy again, although it would have been nice had our seer scanned her.

[fontisian]

It's she actually. I can't fault you for going after me, considering how terrible my voting record is.

[JAG]

fontisian 1 - Narcizo (1366)
KatyLied 1 - Chubby (1360)
Lathum 1 - KatyLied (1361)

[fontisian]

Who has claimed vanilla so far? I just remember Lathum, but has Katy claimed vanilla as well?

[fontisian]

Ah, Narcizo also claimed vanilla. I'm vanilla as well.

There are three ghost busters left: Peter Venkman, Egon Spengler and Janine Melnitz. If we are at 5-1-3, then there can only be two vanillas left. Ergo, one of Lathum, Narcizo and I are lying and is most likely scum.

[fontisian]

Without the blinkers of my belief that he's the seer he looks pretty damned lupine (or scummy as he would have it). His voting record is cack. He thinks that murra5y, Lathum and I are wolfies but he's considering voting with us for a long time yesterday.

Looking at this again, and seeing some problems. First of all, I never said that I thought murrayyyyy was a wolf. In fact, I distictly remember classifying him as a likely towny on day 2.

Second, the arguement about me almost voting for Katy makes no sense! If I were a wolf trying to get the heat off of Katy by voting Zinto, then there's no way I'm teammates with the two people on her. If I were a wolf trying to save wolf-Zinto, but backtracking when I realized that my analysis made my earlier decision to vote Katy look scummy, then Zinto would ahve turned up as a wolf.

You're smart enough to have thought this through, and frankly it looks like you're just trying to parrot Autumn's logic and get a scummy looking towny lynched.

Vote: Narcizo

[fontisian]

I'm vanilla and I'm not going to fight too hard to save myself here. I think it's far preferable for the village to have more candidates than end up in a two horse race that we find it hard to get out of. And I really want to see Zinto talk more.
Bholly has claimed vanilla as well. With three vanilla claims, I could see us just messing up the actual towny vs. scum ratio. But four? We would have to be 7-2.

It's possible that one of these guys claimed vanilla when they're actually Janine Melnitz, since they wouldn't have any extra abilities. Is there any downside in having Janine reveal?

[mauchow]

I am vanilla.

[mauchow]

You can't read into who says what in this game. Take it for face value.

[mauchow]

You can't read into who says what in this game. Take it for face value.
I said that slightly wrong but.. obviously everyone is going to claim they're a villager. PF clqimed to be vanilla and people believed it.

[fontisian]

Yes, and he was a wolf. I'm not talking about easy "vanilla checking in reveals."
Lathum and bhlloy stuck with their vanilla reveal when they were close to being lynched. From what Narcizo advocated early, if he was a power role, he would have revealed earlier today.

I'm saying that the serious vanilla claims we have at the moment are not possible.

[Coffee Warlord]

Jag is a wolf.

[bhlloy]

I have no idea what to make of this, I was hoping the seer would at least have a couple villager names for us to strike off. If Chubby really is the seer and he's scanned exclusively dead people so far, that's terrible for us.

The vanilla math doesn't add up, so I'm perfectly willing to vote someone on that list today. I'm also leaning towards Katy being good just based on voting patterns yesterday. I think we're dealing with a very experienced wolf team who have done an amazing job of keeping themselves out of the voting, to be honest. Pending someone coming forward to challenge the reveal I'm going between Autumn and Narc today. No great insight or analysis here, just a growing feeling that we are being made to look stupid

vote Narc

If somebody can come up with a better case for Autumn I'd like to hear it, but he feels a little less likely to me right now

[JAG]

Narcizo 2 - fontisian (1371), bhlloy (1378)
fontisian 1 - Narcizo (1366)
KatyLied 1 - Chubby (1360)
Lathum 1 - KatyLied (1361)

[Autumn]

I don't see much use in the "vanilla villager claim" angle. Nobody's going to reveal until they're about to get lynched, whether wolf or roled villager. That doesn't tell us much.

[fontisian]

Is there any downside in having Janine reveal?
/repeated for emphasis

[Autumn]

There may be. We don't know anything about Janine's role, really.

[Autumn]

I will be gone most of tomorrow. So I'm hoping to get back to this tonight, and maybe in teh morning. But I don't want to miss a vote, so for now I am going to be doing the right thing and stacking with our seemingly only known villager. It's not a bad vote, since Katy's not going to give us a heck of a lot to go by and is in my top 3 suspects.

<b>vote katylied</b>

[mauchow]

Vote Katylied

Getting a vote in now before I pass out tonight. I'll try getting more put together tomorrow on what I wrote up earlier. I'd still entertain the idea of Autumn if we're not convinced he's Peck and Pass.

[mauchow]

I can't edit the post, but I want to clarify the end of my post, I'd consider Autumn and Pass, too... just in case it sounded funny. Peck and Pass.

[Autumn]

Ugh, I'm hoping I'll be back in time for deadline tomorrow. every time I think I've got it figured out I start questioning myself.

[KatyLied]

It's not a bad vote, since Katy's not going to give us a heck of a lot to go by and is in my top 3 suspects.

<b>vote katylied</b>

Dunno what I can give you given my vanilla status other than lip service. I have no special role.

[Narcizo]

You're smart enough to have thought this through, and frankly it looks like you're just trying to parrot Autumn's logic and get a scummy looking towny lynched.

Vote: Narcizo

Yep that's right - I spent ages, you know, working out a plan that actually keeps the village in with a chance rather than allowing headless chicken mode to dominate. Presumably to buy trust as a wolf. So I forgot to work out decent reasoning for voting someone when I could just have easily plonked my vote on katylied with the same reasoning as yesterday. Unless Katy is a wolf. In which case why did I vote her yesterday?

[Narcizo]

Is there any downside in having Janine reveal?
/repeated for emphasis

There's no downside that I can see. Then again there's little upside as it's pretty easy to claim and I doubt if the role is in the game.

[Narcizo]

The vanilla math doesn't add up, so I'm perfectly willing to vote someone on that list today.

Venkman can claim vanilla. It's not like he ever needs to worry about being lynched so there's never any need for him to reveal. I suspect Janine isn't in the game. What's so hard to work out about this? Really.

[Narcizo]

I'm also leaning towards Katy being good just based on voting patterns yesterday.

What, the voting patterns that has a lot of villagers on Katy and a lot of unknowns on the anti-Katy villager candidate?

I'm kind of worried that Katy is being set up as well though. Which is why I could really do with some time to try and work things through. The wolves would know that at 5-1-3 its a lock to set up Katy for the fall today - they're guaranteed to get at least one villager voting with them and that's all they need.

[Narcizo]

Personally I think I would advise Venkman to take a pop at bhlloy. I quite like his as the convertee. Same sort of player as britrock, kinda UTR although not so UTR that its noticeable.

21:26 #732 Danny votes Packers (1)
20:18 #764 murra5y votes Zinto (1)
07:43 #779 Narcizo votes bhlloy (1)
08:20 #787 Autumn votes Packers (2)
09:20 #806 mauchow votes Packers (3)
09:29 #810 Lathum votes bhlloy (2)
10:05 #815 bhlloy votes Zinto (2)

15:29 #865 Packer votes bhlloy (3)
15:33 #869 chubby votes Pass (1)
16:41 #898 Passa votes Packers (4)
17:01 #908 Chubby unvotes Pass (0)
17:01 #908 Chubby votes Lathum (1)
17:19 #918 Hoops votes Bhlloy (4)
17:21 #919 fontisian votes Zinto (3)

3-2-1 at the time and bhlloy votes for the 1, knowing that he's not going to be around for the rest of the day. If he's just been converted and he's rushed and there's no-one else around I think he'd take the villager vote. I doubt I'd vote wolf under those circumstances although I know it would be the "correct" wolf play.

Then there's a huge, huge wait until Packers votes bhlloy. I think there's a lot of discussion going on in the wolfy camp. If its wolf-wolf-villager and Packer votes villager then there's very likely to be repercussions and he and Bhlloy are connecting themselves too closely. So he votes wolf but gives his wolfmates instructions that if the worst comes to the worst they have to vote against him. The absolute worst case scenario for them is for Bhlloy to be lynched if he's the conversion - but at least it may take the heat off of Packer.

If this scenario is correct then Pass, Lathum and Katy's votes really look suspect.

I'm afraid that's about all the interest I have in putting in analysis today as it pretty much rests with Venkman anyway. Were I Venkman I'd think about lynching Bhlloy but probably go with the majority view and target Katy. Or bottle out and cross the streams.

Unvote fontisian
vote Katy

[Narcizo]

Venkman if you're around at deadline then you might not have to use your duke ability if you like the voting result. The threat of the duke should prevent last minute wolfish shenanighans and you should be able to give a conditional order in case they do try something.

If I had the courage of my convictions I would lynch bhlloy. But I know that my convictions have pretty much failed me all game through. I'm better at the logical, tactical side of things than the actual "finding wolfy" part.

[Narcizo]

For what it's worth I don't think Autumn is Peck anymore as he would have claimed to be the seer if he were. I'm not actually convinced that Peck is in the game. Maybe four wolves and the convertees don't have PM rights with the wolfies or know who they are, or only know one of their identities (the one who converted them). Who knows. Interesting to see after the game.

[JAG]

KatyLied 4 - Chubby (1360), Autumn (1383), mauchow (1384), Narcizo (1392)
Narcizo 2 - fontisian (1371), bhlloy (1378)
Lathum 1 - KatyLied (1361)

[Narcizo]

Nah bugger it.

unvote Katylied
vote bhlloy

[Narcizo]

I'll see if people want to follow me. If not I'll switch back to Katy but I'm getting a bad feeling about voting her. Maybe bhlloy was trying to make sure that we went villager-villager by voting me. Still at least Venkman can sort out our mess. No pressure, like.

[Autumn]

That's good analysis on the vote there, Narc. That would be a tight bind if bhlloy is a wolf, and I can see Packer not wanting to pile onto Zinto just in case. Figuring if a seer reveals or people are convinced he's a wolf they're going to want to vote against him, not with him. Not iron proof, but something else. Unfortunately we have too many something else's.

I go between thinking we're being led by the nose to Katy, and then kicking myself that we didn't lynch her last time. I know I would be really annoyed if it turned out she was a wolf and we kept letting her slip by. But I"ll probably be just as frustrated if we've been chasing a villager all this time.

[Lathum]

Trying to figure out why Katylied hasn't moved her vote yet.

[Autumn]

She likes to vote last second, it seems. Or just leave her vote to dry.

I just read back through yesterday's voting. It's very possible it was villager-villager and so there's nothing there. But I think it's also possible that mau and bhlloy had their votes on zinto and couldn't really do more than that. Pass missed deadline, so it's hard to know how to read that.

That basically means I don't know if Katy is our best vote, but it's a solid one. It would be great earlier in the game where we'd at least clear things up, but it's hard not having a definite sense this late in the game. I'll hopefully be home before deadline to reevaluate.

[Chubby]

yes I'm Egon. The only scan that isn't dead is Narc on night 1. He scanned clean.

I wanted to give people a chance to vote him before clearing

[fontisian]

Unvote Narcizo
Unless Narc converted, my theory is completely invalidated. That helps a lot.
Vote bhlloy

[mauchow]

Oh lord.

[fontisian]

Chubby, can you tell us all of your checks so I can compare them to your actions?

[mauchow]

It was a good idea to play it that way chubby especially if you had nothin.

[mauchow]

He obviously scanned hoops n1 or 2. Which is why he said what he did to lathum.

Thats when I pegged him as our seer.

[fontisian]

Mauchow, please don't answer for him.

[fontisian]

There's no downside that I can see. Then again there's little upside as it's pretty easy to claim and I doubt if the role is in the game.
But if someone has the role, he/she should claim so that we can clear one person.

[mauchow]

I was only answering one of them. There are many other nights.

[Chubby]

narc, hoops, danny, murrayyyy

as you can see, i have had spectacularly shitty luck

[Chubby]

Mauchow, please don't answer for him.

i understand the sentiment but it is kinda obvious in hindsight as mau said

[mauchow]

I would definitely classify that as shitty luck indeed.

[Chubby]

the dual deadline has really been tough IMO

[PackerFanatic]

narc, hoops, danny, murrayyyy

as you can see, i have had spectacularly shitty luck

The fact you survived this long as seer is pretty good luck if you ask me :)

[Chubby]

if we cross the streams, i still have a charge left to fend off ghosts. hence why i didn't want the other (venkman) ghostbuster to reveal just yet

[KatyLied]

Trying to figure out why Katylied hasn't moved her vote yet.

Because KatyLied slept 'till noon and is catching up on posts. Don't judge me.

[fontisian]

Chubby, just out of curiosity, why did you check Murrayyyyy?

[KatyLied]

Originally, I voted for Lathum because of his interactions with Chubby. Lathum seemed to take things a bit personally for no good reason which, to me, appeared to be him protesting too much.

I don't see any good reason to move my vote - though Lathum seems to be pressuring me to do so without any proper reason (which also seems a little odd). He's not in any danger with my single vote, and I don't want to contribute moving my vote improperly and contributing to killing a citizen of NYC. I don't have any other clear suspects, though it is possible that I missed something given my beginner status. I'm willing to listen to a compelling argument.

[fontisian]

I don't see any good reason to move my vote - though Lathum seems to be pressuring me to do so without any proper reason (which also seems a little odd).

I don't really consider Lathum's posts to be pressuring you to move.

care to explain why? is a completely reasonable question and
Trying to figure out why Katylied hasn't moved her vote yet.
is just questioning why you haven't moved in self-defence.

If you're looking for evidence against people, Narcizo's post 1392 and bhlloy immediate jump onto Narc are pretty damning for bhlloy.

[Lathum]

Originally, I voted for Lathum because of his interactions with Chubby. Lathum seemed to take things a bit personally for no good reason which, to me, appeared to be him protesting too much.

I don't see any good reason to move my vote - though Lathum seems to be pressuring me to do so without any proper reason (which also seems a little odd). He's not in any danger with my single vote, and I don't want to contribute moving my vote improperly and contributing to killing a citizen of NYC. I don't have any other clear suspects, though it is possible that I missed something given my beginner status. I'm willing to listen to a compelling argument.

By casting a meaningless vote you could be equally culpable in killing a villager, and I want you to move your vote because I am a villager and we are likely in an end game scenario.

[Narcizo]

Good play Chubby. Kinda wished it was someone else who's cleared as that doesn't really help my analysis. But I know what its like having bad luck with seer scans. I had something similar in the Jungle Book game.

Don't necessarily think anyone voting me is automatically bad. The problem with my reasoning over bhlloy is that its possible my scenario is correct but just because its possible it doesn't make it likely.

[Narcizo]

Originally, I voted for Lathum because of his interactions with Chubby. Lathum seemed to take things a bit personally for no good reason which, to me, appeared to be him protesting too much.

I don't see any good reason to move my vote - though Lathum seems to be pressuring me to do so without any proper reason (which also seems a little odd). He's not in any danger with my single vote, and I don't want to contribute moving my vote improperly and contributing to killing a citizen of NYC. I don't have any other clear suspects, though it is possible that I missed something given my beginner status. I'm willing to listen to a compelling argument.

If you are a villager then voting Lathum isn't going to help unless you get people to follow you. Unless you're Venkman. And if you are Venkman I urge you to reveal it so that people can take that into account when analyzing yesterday.

[britrock88]

Originally, I voted for Lathum because of his interactions with Chubby. Lathum seemed to take things a bit personally for no good reason which, to me, appeared to be him protesting too much.


Well, unlike some other WW players, he at least refrained from shouting at Chubby in all-caps... :(

[Narcizo]

Worth pointing out that, as fontisian said, I could still be the convertee. I actually think my own reasoning are a stronger defence than Chubby's scan.

[Narcizo]

But if someone has the role, he/she should claim so that we can clear one person.

Except I wouldn't trust anyone claiming that role because it would be an easy gamble for a wolf and hope that the role isn't in the game.

[fontisian]

Let's put it this way. If the roleclaims comes in fairly soon, I'd be willing to trust it. If it comes at the end of the day, after everyone has checked in, or from someone who is about to be lynched, it wouldn't be worth much.

[Passacaglia]

I think it's already pretty late in this "day" for a reveal.

[Lathum]

I think it's already pretty late in this "day" for a reveal.

I would be very leery of a reveal at this point, it would say more to me that it is a wolf who took the time to plan a fake reveal then a rolled villager coming out.

Unless it is Venkman, who could obviously prove who they were by duking.

[Passacaglia]

Yeah, so even if they reveal as Venkman, I'll still vote them, and if they are right, they can duke it.

[Passacaglia]

Placeholder in case I don't get back, I still don't feel like I got a good answer here:

VOTE FONTISIAN

[Chubby]

Chubby, just out of curiosity, why did you check Murrayyyyy?

because i was fairly confident of lathum given our exchange and wanted somebody i felt was a little under the radar. i figured Katy would be a choice today so it was really between murrayyyy and pass as my 2 main choices

[bhlloy]

Well at least that helps us a little

unvote narc

[JAG]

KatyLied 3 - Chubby (1360), Autumn (1383), mauchow (1384)
bhlloy 2 - Narcizo (1396), fontisian (1402)
fontisian 1 - Passacaglia (1430)
Lathum 1 - KatyLied (1361)

[Chubby]

i was always planning on revealing this weekend. given my bad luck, i was hoping to at least draw a little bit more information out by doing it the way i did

[KatyLied]

Well, unlike some other WW players, he at least refrained from shouting at Chubby in all-caps... :(

He does have some couth. ;)

So moving now basically looks like forcing a tie to save myself. Gah!

[bhlloy]

If you are vanilla forcing a tie to save yourself is pretty much the worst thing you can do, although we might be in enough trouble it might not be the end of the world. Problem is I'm vanilla too so that would end the game for sure

[bhlloy]

vote font

I don't have a lot of trust here, and trying to push a candidate who isn't me or katy

[fontisian]

Rules:Tiebreaker: If two or more players end up with the same number of votes, the player to be lynched will be randomly selected amongst those receiving the highest amount of votes. There is also a chance that an additional person at random will be lynched anytime there is a tie.
A tie might not actually be that bad at this point. If it came down to either a tie between me and someone else or me being lynched, I would probably force the tie.

[KatyLied]

Problem is I'm vanilla too so that would end the game for sure

Well, assuming you are vanilla, but nobody believes either of us about being vanilla, we are basically fungible. It's the same risk to the village either way.

[KatyLied]

If it came down to either a tie between me and someone else or me being lynched, I would probably force the tie.

That doesn't account for the other random death.

[fontisian]

Considering that there's only a small chance of the other random death and that if it did occur, there's a good chance that it would hit scum, I would consider it a risk worth taking.

[bhlloy]

Yeah I can see that font, if we weren't villager - villager, which I think we probably are

I still have a defensive vote to use on Katy but if everyone agrees we should leave it tied and see what happens, I'd probably go along with that. But I'm not sure the math lines up. Crossing the streams is probably a better last ditch option than that

[fontisian]

I should clarify that I would make it a tie rather than allowing myself to die, because I know I'm vanilla and my death would pretty much end the game. I do not think that we collectively should go for a tie.

[Narcizo]

I don't think we want a tie as it might interfere with Venkman's ability to duke the vote. Stop all this at once.

Ooo! I'm going to die tonight probably. Or be converted and get lynched tomorrow if the forces of darkness don't prevail once I join them. I suppose I should make an effort to analyze people and stuff.

[Narcizo]

Katy if you're villager then you have to vote for the next candidate in self-defence. (well, you kind of have to do that if you're a wolf as well otherwise it just isn't cricket). If you're a villager then you know you are - you don't know about the other guy. Some people actually lie in this game.

A vote on Lathum at this point is a waste of time. Especially as the one cleared guy and the one semi-cleared guy both have Lathum high on their trust list. Apparently.

[Narcizo]

Lathum
mauchow
Autumn
fontisian
bhlloy
Katy
Pass

probably 3 wolves, 3 villagers (one Venkman) and one uncertain. You'd have thunk we would be able to hit a wolf in that or we should all hang our heads in shame.

Thinking about yesterday. The wolves are going to expect Katy to be scanned if she survives. Are the other two going to vote her opponent to keep her alive? When she doesn't even do it herself. Is this whole laissez faire business a cunning wolf ruse?

Bhlloy - you argument for voting me was that there must be a veteran player on the wolf side. You mentioned me or Autumn, how come you aren't making a pitch for it being Autumn. Or arguing that I've been converted (that's pretty much been my line about you, after all). Looks to me like you're trying to attach your vote anywhere you think it will stick. I've a feeling that you're proclaiming Katy's innocence to get her lynched tomorrow if you're a wolf and get lynched tonight. But hopefully that's something Spengler will be able to look into.

I don't think I'm going to move my vote. If that screws the vote up then Venkman will just have to use his duke power.

[Narcizo]

OK. That post didn't actually go the way I was intending at the outset. :redface: I was going to go through each of the candidates and see if I could find any sort of connection or whatnot. Anyway.

The easiest thing would be for the wolves to be Bhlloy, Katy and fontisian.

Anyway, good luck village!

[Narcizo]

The last post was brought to you in association with the word "anyway".

[Narcizo]

Yeehaw! A game I've posted in more than Danny.

[Danny]

For now...

[KatyLied]

Katy if you're villager then you have to vote for the next candidate in self-defence. (well, you kind of have to do that if you're a wolf as well otherwise it just isn't cricket). If you're a villager then you know you are - you don't know about the other guy. Some people actually lie in this game.

This logic is correct, though I feel like I'm putting down a villager. Sorry.

UNVOTE LATHUM
VOTE BHILLOY

[KatyLied]

The last post was brought to you in association with the word "anyway".

Way to acknowledge a repeated word without editing. Very genteel. Well done. :cool:

[Chubby]

I still think Venkman should put in his order to Cross The Streams. I have already done so (did yesterday)

[JAG]

KatyLied 3 - Chubby (1360), Autumn (1383), mauchow (1384)
bhlloy 3 - Narcizo (1396), fontisian (1402), KatyLied (1451)
fontisian 2 - Passacaglia (1430), bhlloy (1437)

[mauchow]

The streams will cross for one last chance for the village regardless if you do manually or not if it get 1-1.

[Chubby]

The streams will cross for one last chance for the village regardless if you do manually or not if it get 1-1.

not if Venkman isn't around or his proton pack has no charges in it

[Chubby]

if Venkman is night attacked, he'll either:die or be saved by his proton pack (and surely attacked again the next night). Either way, we'd lose that safety net at that point

[mauchow]

True.

[bulletsponge]

http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/halloween/ghost.gif (http://www.sherv.net/ghost-emoticon-641.html)

[Chubby]

my guesses right now are katy and bhlloy for ghosts

[bhlloy]

Vote count?

[bhlloy]

NM, I see it. In reflection St Paddys day probably wasn't the best time to set a deadline

unvote font
vote Katy

Somebody else can decide who they like less and untie it unless we see Pass on. Just a bad weekend to try and defend myself, sorry guys. I really feel like we are villager - villager again and I'm disappointed we haven't looked elsewhere but I realize I haven't contributed anything to this end

[bhlloy]

my guesses right now are katy and bhlloy for ghosts

This is impossible if you consider the # of wolves left in the game. But at least you are optimistic. I'm certain the opposite is true

[bhlloy]

Also if ither Katy or I are wolves, why on earth wouldn't we have fake revealed to at least force the other ghostbuster into the open?

[Chubby]

Also if ither Katy or I are wolves, why on earth wouldn't we have fake revealed to at least force the other ghostbuster into the open?

why on this earth would Venkman feel forced into revealing when he can still duke?

[Lathum]

Vote KAty

[bhlloy]

why on this earth would Venkman feel forced into revealing when he can still duke?

It's a good point, there's the Janine role as well. Put it this way, there's no way a wolf goes down this easy. We're villager - villager again, I'd swear on it. Hopefully whoever Venkman is has a read on someone.

[JAG]

KatyLied 5 - Chubby (1360), Autumn (1383), mauchow (1384), bhlloy (1462), Lathum (1466)
bhlloy 3 - Narcizo (1396), fontisian (1402), KatyLied (1462)
fontisian 1 - Passacaglia (1430)

[Autumn]

Hmm.

[Autumn]

The good news is I felt good about Narc, and had come to feel good about Chubby, so I feel like my intuition is perhaps working this game.

[Autumn]

However, I'm not feeling solid about this vote. I feel like Mau and Pass have fallen off the radar completely, and I'm worried about them. Bhlloy I had not had on my list previously, but now i need to look back and see what was posted earlier about him.

[Autumn]

This logic is correct, though I feel like I'm putting down a villager. Sorry.

UNVOTE LATHUM
VOTE BHILLOY

Why bhlloy and not font, particularly if you think you're killing a villager?

[Autumn]

Is Pass going to leave his vote nowhere again?

[Autumn]

If it was wolf-wolf presumably Katy would have voted font instead, unless she's just trying to gain rep in case she lives. The wolves have to be worried that the duke could take the vote anywhere, and so they may be voting themselves on purpose, so that if things go awry they look better. They can't count on vote movement saving a wolf.

[Autumn]

7xdola!!!!!!!!!!

[KatyLied]

Why bhlloy and not font, particularly if you think you're killing a villager?

It's a crap shoot.

[Autumn]

Besides the idea that bhlloy avoided voting PF on that one day, what is the case against him?

[Autumn]

It's a crap shoot.

Who do you think has a better chance of being a wolf, besides Lathum?

[hoopsguy]

7xdola!!!!!!!!!!

This would never happen if Danny was still alive.

[Autumn]

my guesses right now are katy and bhlloy for ghosts

My worry is I don't have a guess at who the cultist is. I guess lynching them would be a help still, but I'd rather get a real ghostie.

[Chubby]

my guess is 1 conversion at most, odds are that the other was killed at some point

[Autumn]

So I guess I feel a little confidence going into this lynch. The wolves I think aren't going to feel like they can push too hard so at this point will have just settled on the lynch either way. I'm not sold on Katy, but she's a good guess. She'd probably be my #1 scan target tonight, so that's a good indicator we should lynch her! Pass would probably be the next since he's not giving us much to judge him by otherwise.

[fontisian]

I swear Chubby, if your scan target dies again....

[Chubby]

I swear Chubby, if your scan target dies again....

no shit... i even have a double conditional in

[mauchow]

Is Pass going to leave his vote nowhere again?

I'd have no problem going there, although I think it might be a bit late for that.

[mauchow]

WOW, quiet last hour.

[mauchow]

Guess that's a good thing.

[Lathum]

unvote katy
vote bhlloy

lets see what happens

[mauchow]

wtf

[mauchow]

unvote katy
vote bhlloy

[mauchow]

Lathum that created a tie.

[mauchow]

More deadline antics by lathum

[mauchow]

I had bhlloy cleared..

Lathus is a frackin' wolf.

[JAG]

bhlloy 5 - Narcizo (1396), fontisian (1402), KatyLied (1462), Lathum (1488), mauchow (1490)
KatyLied 3 - Chubby (1360), Autumn (1383), bhlloy (1462)
fontisian 1 - Passacaglia (1430)

[mauchow]

Well, unless of course bhlloy is a wolf.

[Lathum]

I tried KAty, lets see what happens

[JAG]

Deadline

[JAG]

Give me a sec for results, kids are not in bed as they should be

[fontisian]

Oh, you're kidding me.

[KatyLied]

Gah!