Werewolf: Hunt for Necromancers - GAME OVER! Post #3469

[Tyrith]

Lathum's reveal just doesn't seem to reconile with the rules of the game...hoops was pretty clear that there weren't going to be hidden roles in this game.

[Alan T]

Lathum's reveal just doesn't seem to reconile with the rules of the game...hoops was pretty clear that there weren't going to be hidden roles in this game.


Its risk vs reward. If we find them lying, then you get multiple bad guys. If they are telling the truth, then we have a new advantage.

The worst that happens if Fouts is the mummy and they lied, he gets to pull off a night kill (which they havent managed to do yet so far).

[Lathum]

I'm just trying to save fouts. I risked my life to summon him and he can help us. Dubb asked for a reveal so I am giving it to him.

[dubb93]

Lathum knows I'm good, because Lathum summoned me.

If that is true someone fucked with my scan like I was talking about yesterday. Barkeep, did you use that scarab? Path?

[Tyrith]

I am way confused right now, I might have missed something in there about a rules change about roles or something, but....

Lathum's reveal doesn't make any sense in the context of the rules as they were laid out in the beginning. If fouts is the mummy (true in a lot of scenarios) and we kill him we take away a sure kill tonight and we condemn lathum and dubb and roll up a lot of bad guys. If he's clear we clear lathum and dubb for sure and we turn to Alan as number one suspect tomorrow. Please, someone clear up my head a little though...

VOTE FOUTS

[saldana]

95%+ of the rules are listed below. The remaining 5% will be realized over the course of the game, depending on actions and surviving roles. If I do make additions to the rules over the remainder of the week, I'll make special note of these for the sake of clarity

doesnt really go well with this statement

[path12]

Crap. For now:

Unvote Fouts

I'll hold off on the revote. I don't see the logic in the jump to Dubb, frankly. Could be me.

[Tyrith]

Someone just clarify for me how on earth lathum's role fits within the rules? I obviously missed something in here.

[Tyrith]

Hoops specifically states in the rules that the prophecy is the ONLY hidden role in the game. I don't see him as the type to deliberately lie to us like that. This smells really, really bad to me right now.

[path12]

If that is true someone fucked with my scan like I was talking about yesterday. Barkeep, did you use that scarab? Path?

As I said before, the scarab I had at the start of the game I used on night 2 (I believe) after receiving the helmet and learning I couldn't keep more than one item at a time. I used the scarab, a green light washed over me to no apparent effect. That's all I've got about mine.

[dubb93]

Who used an item last night?

[Alan T]

I am way confused right now, I might have missed something in there about a rules change about roles or something, but....

Lathum's reveal doesn't make any sense in the context of the rules as they were laid out in the beginning. If fouts is the mummy (true in a lot of scenarios) and we kill him we take away a sure kill tonight and we condemn lathum and dubb and roll up a lot of bad guys. If he's clear we clear lathum and dubb for sure and we turn to Alan as number one suspect tomorrow. Please, someone clear up my head a little though...

VOTE FOUTS


If Im your number one suspect after Fouts, then just vote for me today. I think its worth letting it play out and roll everyone up together. You can either for good clear alot of people or condemn alot of people by allowing this one gambit go through.

Im willing to die in order to possibly get 3 bad guys with one day. I personally would rather look in other directions today, but I have no clue who. All I am saying is that I think its worth letting things play out and see how it ends up.

[Fouts]

Its risk vs reward. If we find them lying, then you get multiple bad guys. If they are telling the truth, then we have a new advantage.

The worst that happens if Fouts is the mummy and they lied, he gets to pull off a night kill (which they havent managed to do yet so far).

Problem is, they left themselves no options. We are voting for fouts no matter what. Oh wait, he's good? Hell, now what?

[dubb93]

As I said before, the scarab I had at the start of the game I used on night 2 (I believe) after receiving the helmet and learning I couldn't keep more than one item at a time. I used the scarab, a green light washed over me to no apparent effect. That's all I've got about mine.

Didn't you say you passed an item earlier in the game? Who did you pass it to?

[Alan T]

Didn't you say you passed an item earlier in the game? Who did you pass it to?


I think he said he used it, not passed it. He still has the helmet from what I know

[dubb93]

I just don't see how even if Blade did die, his power that goes with his role would be left as an item. Plus, if he scanned Bullet he had no intent on raising the avatar. I think my scan was messed with today.

[saldana]

i just thought of something

there is a much better plan for tonight if people are willing to switch their votes around

unvote fouts
vote Lathum

lets assume for a minute that lathum is telling the truth...we lynch him, he turns up as a villager, but we get 3 nights worth of protection from the avatar.

if he turns up necro, that means he was the head necro and raised his mummy, which will mean one of us dies overnight, we lynch fouts tomorrow, and we have gotten rid of the head necro, plus we have dubb for the next day since he just cleared lathum.


who is with me

[path12]

Didn't you say you passed an item earlier in the game? Who did you pass it to?

No, not earlier in the game because I didn't know anyone. Last night I passed the helmet in case I got whacked. Do you really want to know who I passed that to?

[Lathum]

guys, I had access to blades notes, I claimed I was good, dubb checked me out, fouts claims avatar, fouts says I summoned him, i vote for alanT, I come out and say I had access to blades notes.

DO THE MATH

I am basicly condeming myself to be a night kill, but since I am a plain villegar the one for one kill helps us.

[dubb93]

I think he said he used it, not passed it. He still has the helmet from what I know

I thought he said he used one and passed one earlier. I'll go digging.

[dubb93]

No, not earlier in the game because I didn't know anyone. Last night I passed the helmet in case I got whacked. Do you really want to know who I passed that to?

hold up, let me check something real quick.

[saldana]

As I said before, the scarab I had at the start of the game I used on night 2 (I believe) after receiving the helmet and learning I couldn't keep more than one item at a time. I used the scarab, a green light washed over me to no apparent effect. That's all I've got about mine.


path, what night did you fend off the attack 2 or 3?

[path12]

I thought he said he used one and passed one earlier. I'll go digging.

You don't need to dig -- I'm right here. For about four minutes.

[dubb93]

No, not earlier in the game because I didn't know anyone. Last night I passed the helmet in case I got whacked. Do you really want to know who I passed that to?

No, invoke takes place b/f pass thus he couldn't have used it last night if you passed it.

[Fouts]

i just thought of something

there is a much better plan for tonight if people are willing to switch their votes around

unvote fouts
vote Lathum

lets assume for a minute that lathum is telling the truth...we lynch him, he turns up as a villager, but we get 3 nights worth of protection from the avatar.

if he turns up necro, that means he was the head necro and raised his mummy, which will mean one of us dies overnight, we lynch fouts tomorrow, and we have gotten rid of the head necro, plus we have dubb for the next day since he just cleared lathum.


who is with me

Lol. This makes no sense. You don't kill the summoner and let the summoned kill. You kill the summoned first.

[Lathum]

i just thought of something

there is a much better plan for tonight if people are willing to switch their votes around

unvote fouts
vote Lathum

lets assume for a minute that lathum is telling the truth...we lynch him, he turns up as a villager, but we get 3 nights worth of protection from the avatar.

if he turns up necro, that means he was the head necro and raised his mummy, which will mean one of us dies overnight, we lynch fouts tomorrow, and we have gotten rid of the head necro, plus we have dubb for the next day since he just cleared lathum.


who is with me
that would be a big mistake

[path12]

path, what night did you fend off the attack 2 or 3?

Night 3.

[Tyrith]

Okay, I must be horribly confused, someone correct my world view.

Dubb says lathum is a vanilla. Lathum says he has some made-up role that allowed him to summon Fouts. Theoretically, they are all on our side.

There are two ways we might could ever go with this-- kill dubb or kill fouts. Dubb could still be a bad guy even if lathum isn't, so if we kill him we're targeting the biggest suspect. Also, his role is used up anyway. However, if we kill fouts we're doing us the best good tonight and if he's a mummy we get both lathum and dubb FOR SURE, and all we lose is a guy we only have for two more days and two nights of bodyguard -- a loss, but not a great one for the gain. If I screwed up somewhere someone PLEASE PLEASE tell me now.

[Alan T]

chaos! Cats and Dogs living together! oh my!

[SnDvls]

I'm heading home for the day..I'm leaving my vote on fouts...with zero night kills they'll get at most 2 tonight w/ disease and 2 necros teaming up. if we let fouts go and he's the mummy they'll get 3 and it'll be a game again for the necros.

I urge you to keep on fouts. even if it's wrong we save a life tonight.

[dubb93]

Someone invoked an item last night and I think Lathum knows it. That is why he waited to reveal AFTER I did my scan.

[Tyrith]

guys, I had access to blades notes, I claimed I was good, dubb checked me out, fouts claims avatar, fouts says I summoned him, i vote for alanT, I come out and say I had access to blades notes.

DO THE MATH

I am basicly condeming myself to be a night kill, but since I am a plain villegar the one for one kill helps us.

But HOW did you access blade's notes when the role wasn't in the game and hoops explicity said this was gonna be a roles revealed game!? This is the part about this that I don't understand people aren't raising hell about.

[path12]

Out for a few hours. Back before lynch and will vote then.

[Fouts]

Okay, I must be horribly confused, someone correct my world view.

Dubb says lathum is a vanilla. Lathum says he has some made-up role that allowed him to summon Fouts. Theoretically, they are all on our side.

There are two ways we might could ever go with this-- kill dubb or kill fouts. Dubb could still be a bad guy even if lathum isn't, so if we kill him we're targeting the biggest suspect. Also, his role is used up anyway. However, if we kill fouts we're doing us the best good tonight and if he's a mummy we get both lathum and dubb FOR SURE, and all we lose is a guy we only have for two more days and two nights of bodyguard -- a loss, but not a great one for the gain. If I screwed up somewhere someone PLEASE PLEASE tell me now.

How about we kill Alan T and get a necro?? Lathum says he had access to blade's notes.... follow the beeping arrow ---->>>>>> Alan T

[Lathum]

OK, I am going out for a few beers soon so here is my theory. Alan has been after me all day and I am pretty sure he is a necro, lynch alant, once he comes up necro we have confirmed me, dubb and fouts. AlanT comes up clean then you can lump us all together.

I'm that sure.

[saldana]

Night 3.


ok, people have been on about the scarab thing for a couple days now and i continue to forget to comment on it....

if path invoked his scarab on night 2, my reading of the rules is that it only protects him for 1 night, not perpetually through the rest of the game, which is why he was attacked on night 3, and in my opinion clears him completely.

also, if the pharaoh started the game with a scarab, then we could reason that so did the head necro....if lathum invoked his cursed scarab that would explain the fact that dubb's soothsayer scan came back the way it did (reversed)

[SnDvls]

Stay on Fouts!!

[dubb93]

if he's a mummy we get both lathum and dubb FOR SURE, and all we lose is a guy we only have for two more days and two nights of bodyguard -- a loss, but not a great one for the gain. If I screwed up somewhere someone PLEASE PLEASE tell me now.

Don't link me in with this crap. Someone messed with my scan b/c either way what Lathum is saying I WILL NOT VOUCH FOR. As far as I know HE HAS NO ROLE. Everything from then on is a lie.

Someone messed with my scan, or Lathum is concocting a lie, that I'm not going along with. After all, everyone in this game knew I was scanning today, it wouldn't have been too hard to invoke something that would throw me off.

[Lathum]

But HOW did you access blade's notes when the role wasn't in the game and hoops explicity said this was gonna be a roles revealed game!? This is the part about this that I don't understand people aren't raising hell about.
role reveal upon death which I have a feeling you will see tomorrow morning for me.

[Fouts]

OK, I am going out for a few beers soon so here is my theory. Alan has been after me all day and I am pretty sure he is a necro, lynch alant, once he comes up necro we have confirmed me, dubb and fouts. AlanT comes up clean then you can lump us all together.

I'm that sure.

Without going back to read all their posts, I'm starting to suspect saldana and tyrith. Any reason I shouldn't?

[Tyrith]

How about we kill Alan T and get a necro?? Lathum says he had access to blade's notes.... follow the beeping arrow ---->>>>>> Alan T

I don't trust lathum at all until someone explains how his role makes sense. I've made about six posts about this now.

[Abe Sargent]

I agree with AnalT


Unvote Fouts

[dubb93]

OK, I am going out for a few beers soon so here is my theory. Alan has been after me all day and I am pretty sure he is a necro, lynch alant, once he comes up necro we have confirmed me, dubb and fouts. AlanT comes up clean then you can lump us all together.

I'm that sure.

Bullshit. You have no role as far as I'm concerned which means someone envoked something. Most likely you, that means you=nec.

[Lathum]

Without going back to read all their posts, I'm starting to suspect saldana and tyrith. Any reason I shouldn't?
no, no reason but I think my efforts may be wasted.

[Alan T]

Hahah Barkeep said this would be a boring day, and this might be the best day yet.... I think I am so unsure of what to do here.

Ok lets say for a second that Lathum did mess with Dubb's scan.. and is the head necro and did summon the mummy..

Which would be more dangerous to leave alive for the night? The mummy or the head necro?

[Lathum]

Bullshit. You have no role as far as I'm concerned which means someone envoked something. Most likely you, that means you=nec.
again, if I did why would I come out and put my neck on the line like this. I want to keep fouts alive, that is all.

[Tyrith]

Until someone explains why his role isn't listed in the game anywhere.

UNVOTE FOUTS
VOTE LATHUM

[Abe Sargent]

I just reread my post. Sorry about the typo AlanT, that was rather... unfortunate.


-Anxiety

[Fouts]

Hahah Barkeep said this would be a boring day, and this might be the best day yet.... I think I am so unsure of what to do here.

Ok lets say for a second that Lathum did mess with Dubb's scan.. and is the head necro and did summon the mummy..

Which would be more dangerous to leave alive for the night? The mummy or the head necro?

Another connection between Alan T and saldana. Are you guys talking to each other?

[saldana]

Hahah Barkeep said this would be a boring day, and this might be the best day yet.... I think I am so unsure of what to do here.

Ok lets say for a second that Lathum did mess with Dubb's scan.. and is the head necro and did summon the mummy..

Which would be more dangerous to leave alive for the night? The mummy or the head necro?


the mummy would be, as he has 100% night kill, but the reason i suggested killing lathum instead would be that if he is on the level we have 2 bodyguards for the next three nights....bigger upside? i'm not sure.

[Abe Sargent]

Hahah Barkeep said this would be a boring day, and this might be the best day yet.... I think I am so unsure of what to do here.

Ok lets say for a second that Lathum did mess with Dubb's scan.. and is the head necro and did summon the mummy..

Which would be more dangerous to leave alive for the night? The mummy or the head necro?


Hypothetically, of course? The mummy is more dangerous.


-Anxiety

[Tyrith]

I have an idea about this entire scenario, but I'm not gonna talk about it today. I think Lathum sometime unless he provides an explanation as to why his role is allowed to break the rules. That is all I have to say about it.

[saldana]

I just reread my post. Sorry about the typo AlanT, that was rather... unfortunate.


-Anxiety


unfortunate, but really rather funny

[Fouts]

At least my summoning has brought out more information for the egyptians. There appears to be some people working together.

[bulletsponge]

i think you should hang the idiot who said 10 pages ago that this would be a slow day

[Barkeep49]

Nothing like driving home to find the apple cart upturned. I have much contemplating to do.

[saldana]

yet again WW is totally keeping me from getting anything done while at work. do i seem sad?

[Lathum]

i think you should hang the idiot who said 10 pages ago that this would be a slow day
lol,

I;m telling you ALanT is the way to go. Maybe once you see fouts is the avatar you will believe me.

[saldana]

At least my summoning has brought together the egyptians. There appears to be some people working together to kill the necro's and the mummy.

fixed it for ya

[Barkeep49]

i think you should hang the idiot who said 10 pages ago that this would be a slow day
HEY! You're dead!

[hoopsguy]

Votes as of Post #2305:

Fouts - Qwikshot (1887), SnDvls (1893), Chubby (1928), Schmidty (1937), Kingfc (1956), Dubb (2213)

Alan T - Lathum (1912), Fouts (2247)

Dubb - Vince (2244)

Lathum - Saldana (2267), Tyrith (2297)

Not voted - Barkeep, Path, Anxiety, Alan T, Tanglewood



A couple of other thoughts:
1.) Tanglewood is going to have heart failure when he sees the amount of posts to read
2.) I was pretty sure it was not going to be a slow day :)

I'm out until after the deadline, will post results sometime after midnight (CST). Good luck.

[Fouts]

fixed it for ya

Editing someone's quote shouldn't be allowed.

[Tyrith]

I think Fouts is pretty damn sure bad. The way he's picking people to suspect seems pretty damn random, like it was designed to make us paranoid, especially because he has nothing to lose. It seems way too over the top for someone theoretically trying to "help".

[saldana]

lol,

I;m telling you ALanT is the way to go. Maybe once you see fouts is the avatar you will believe me.


you say this with certainty, but there is no way for you to be certain.

if blade made at least one scan, it had to be bullet, or else how did he nail him yesterday, that means he couldnt have scanned alan?

[dubb93]

Another connection between Alan T and saldana. Are you guys talking to each other?

They very well just might be......Nice catch, even if you are stinky and wrapped in bandages.

[Barkeep49]

Did we get an answer as to why Lathum would wait until after the scan to reveal this? Don't you think you could have, I don't know, said this before hand. Would have helped the good guys immensely there buddy.

[dubb93]

if blade made at least one scan, it had to be bullet, or else how did he nail him yesterday, that means he couldnt have scanned alan?

Exactly.

[Abe Sargent]

Okay BK, I jut did some math.

Assume 7 Necs:

Of the good guy roles, I suspect that Hoops would keep out at least one just to keep it mysterious. I submit that role is the High Priest, cause I've seen no sign of any consecration of the dead occuring.

Assume that we, as Egyptians, have, maybe 3 of the neutral roles.

We now have 13 Egyptians accounted for with roles. 7 Necs. That's 20 of the 23. That's without any double roles on the E side.


Note my math is wrong because I went ot the front page and saw 23 players, but that included Fouts. Instead its 20 of 22 players have a role either as a Nec or as an E. Toss in the Prophecy, which is likely neutral, and you have 21 of 22. That's just one generic spot for an Egyptian if there are no dupes.

[Fouts]

I think Fouts is pretty damn sure bad. The way he's picking people to suspect seems pretty damn random, like it was designed to make us paranoid, especially because he has nothing to lose. It seems way too over the top for someone theoretically trying to "help".

Hey, I only got 3 days. I gotta stir this place up.

That said, I don't know everything about Lathum's role, but I know I am an Avatar and he summoned me. He says he has proof of Alan T's guilt. So anyone wanting to lynch him or protect Alan, has me suspicious of them.

[Lathum]

OK, I'm out for a bit. I don't know how much more obvious I can be that I am certain about AlanT. I've put my neck on the line today when I didn't have to so anyone who is voting for me is a suspect in my book. Whoever is lynched tonight it is going to shed some serious light on the game and show a pretty obvious divide.

[Tyrith]

I really, really doubt that blade scanned bullet on night one. It just doesn't seem like a blade play, with all his ranting with lathum. I also don't think we would have given up his vision powers for three nights so early in the game when we needed people to trust; his raililngs against it might have been a double fake but it just seems wrong. NONE of the lathum/fouts shit makes ANY sense at all -- the role that isn't listed, why blade would have gone bullet/avatar/avatar, how blade died yesterday, why no one is TALKING about that first problem if no other reason than to tell me why i'm wrong.

[dubb93]

This whole theory was dependant on my scanning someone. Lathum hoped I would scan Alan...or even some other innocent and it would come back that they were a nec....instead when it became obvious I was scanning him him ran with it knowing he was in the clear. I feel dirty.

[saldana]

Note my math is wrong because I went ot the front page and saw 23 players, but that included Fouts. Instead its 20 of 22 players have a role either as a Nec or as an E. Toss in the Prophecy, which is likely neutral, and you have 21 of 22. That's just one generic spot for an Egyptian if there are no dupes.


forgot to comment on the lists too....


there has to be an Enchanter, or else where did barkeep's scarab come from

[Alan T]

A Scavenger has the ability to look like a generic villager to scans, summon avatars, know proof of my existance without doubt.

THat is the current claim. Should we buy it?

[Fouts]

This whole theory was dependant on my scanning someone. Lathum hoped I would scan Alan...or even some other innocent and it would come back that they were a nec....instead when it became obvious I was scanning him him ran with it knowing he was in the clear. I feel dirty.

You are doubting your own scan? C'mon man, you are digging to deep.

[Abe Sargent]

Okay, here's a likely dumb, question, for Fouts and/or Lathum.

Suppose you are right, and Fouts is the Avatar.

Where's the mummy?

If you are the head nec, and two of your flock have already bit it, wouldn;t you want protection? Wouldn't you want to use just ONE night action to summon teh biggest, baddest, nastiest mummy you could? Even if it gets lynched the following day, that buys your team another set of night actions, for free. Summoning the mummy is like taking an extra turn for your whole team. Why WOULDN'T the head nec have done it last night?

I see no reason why the head nec would not have brought in the mummy now, when he has a chance and when his team needs time to regroup.

Since we only have one extra person today I don;t think you need to be a rocket scientist to connet the dots.


-Anxiety

[Barkeep49]

Fouts: The scan is bogus no matter what at this point. The question is how is this so?

[Alan T]

Here is a different thought... to throw out there..

What.. .if... Lathum isn't bad...


But instead he is the prophecy. I mean it looked like the prophecy struck down Blade right after Blade did a very nice job of pissing Lathum off for maybe the first time I have ever seen. And we have no idea what the Prophecy is capable of doing (ie: summoning somone?) And the prophecy would be hidden from scans...

is that too much of a stretch?

[Tyrith]

Here is something I just thought of, take it however.

Lathum says he got scanned night one. No one else has reported a scan all game long. This could reconcile with blade spending two days to summon the avatar.

Blade pretty much gave us bullet on a platter yesterday, hinting as strongly as he could without having to blow his role. This cannot reconcile at all with lathum's story.

Either blade never scanned bullet or lathum was trying to pull a fast one on us day two, trying to get in good with us. And it worked for a little while.

[Abe Sargent]

forgot to comment on the lists too....


there has to be an Enchanter, or else where did barkeep's scarab come from

If we believe path when he claimed to have begun with one, then why wouldn't other role also begin with one?


Although I agree, I think there has to be an enchanter somewhere.

-Anxiety

[saldana]

I really, really doubt that blade scanned bullet on night one. It just doesn't seem like a blade play, with all his ranting with lathum. I also don't think we would have given up his vision powers for three nights so early in the game when we needed people to trust; his raililngs against it might have been a double fake but it just seems wrong. NONE of the lathum/fouts shit makes ANY sense at all -- the role that isn't listed, why blade would have gone bullet/avatar/avatar, how blade died yesterday, why no one is TALKING about that first problem if no other reason than to tell me why i'm wrong.


i cant be too sure about this, as it is pretty much a semantic based idea, but the rules say the mystic had to forgo seeing for 3 days...not 3 consecutive days if the days didnt have to be consecutive, blade could have gone {avatar/avatar/bullet} or {avatar/bullet/avatar}....maybe lathum could check Blade's notes and let us know?

[Tyrith]

Here is a different thought... to throw out there..

What.. .if... Lathum isn't bad...


But instead he is the prophecy. I mean it looked like the prophecy struck down Blade right after Blade did a very nice job of pissing Lathum off for maybe the first time I have ever seen. And we have no idea what the Prophecy is capable of doing (ie: summoning somone?) And the prophecy would be hidden from scans...

is that too much of a stretch?

This is what I didn't want to say because it gives lathum an out to explain everything today and the blade kill yesterday. I wanted someone to at least TALK about his role issue first.

[Abe Sargent]

Here is something I just thought of, take it however.

Lathum says he got scanned night one. No one else has reported a scan all game long. This could reconcile with blade spending two days to summon the avatar.

Blade pretty much gave us bullet on a platter yesterday, hinting as strongly as he could without having to blow his role. This cannot reconcile at all with lathum's story.

Either blade never scanned bullet or lathum was trying to pull a fast one on us day two, trying to get in good with us. And it worked for a little while.


Additionally, if Blade got bullet with a scan, wouldn;t he have pushed the folloiwng day? If he skipped two days to scan, when did he scan Bullet?


-Anxiety

[Lathum]

i cant be too sure about this, as it is pretty much a semantic based idea, but the rules say the mystic had to forgo seeing for 3 days...not 3 consecutive days if the days didnt have to be consecutive, blade could have gone {avatar/avatar/bullet} or {avatar/bullet/avatar}....maybe lathum could check Blade's notes and let us know?
no can do, summoning fouts was a one time thing.

[Fouts]

Fouts: The scan is bogus no matter what at this point. The question is how is this so?

Depends on what part of the statement he is scanning. Is it the whole post? I don't know the in's and out's of his role.


I DO know that if I'm the soothsayer, I believe in my abilities and do not waver.

[Alan T]

This is what I didn't want to say because it gives lathum an out to explain everything today and the blade kill yesterday. I wanted someone to at least TALK about his role issue first.


Well I am not sure if its necessarily an out. We have no idea if the prophecy is good or not, and considering he killed our seer and has flat out lied to us most of today, I'm leaning towards the not.

[Tyrith]

i cant be too sure about this, as it is pretty much a semantic based idea, but the rules say the mystic had to forgo seeing for 3 days...not 3 consecutive days if the days didnt have to be consecutive, blade could have gone {avatar/avatar/bullet} or {avatar/bullet/avatar}....maybe lathum could check Blade's notes and let us know?

I can definately buy this but it still makes lathum's story pretty damn bogus for the entire game; his role is bad and this would disqualify him being scanned night one.

[saldana]

If we believe path when he claimed to have begun with one, then why wouldn't other role also begin with one?


Although I agree, I think there has to be an enchanter somewhere.

-Anxiety


i actually accounted for those two in an earlier post.

1. path had a blessed scarab at the start of the game, used it night 2, unknown if it protected his room or not.

2. the head necro had a cursed scarab at the start of the game, used it night 4, and it clouded Dubb's view of him today

3. the enchanter made a scarab and gave it to barkeep on night 3., we dont know where it is now.

[Abe Sargent]

no can do, summoning fouts was a one time thing.


Convienant.

[Abe Sargent]

i actually accounted for those two in an earlier post.

1. path had a blessed scarab at the start of the game, used it night 2, unknown if it protected his room or not.

2. the head necro had a cursed scarab at the start of the game, used it night 4, and it clouded Dubb's view of him today

3. the enchanter made a scarab and gave it to barkeep on night 3., we dont know where it is now.


And I buy that.

-Anxiety

[Tyrith]

I think lathum has to die for information sake now. If he turns out good then we keep fouts, we can ponder dubb, and we can look elsewhere. If he's bad then we slaughter fouts, we can ponder about dubb differently, and we have probably taken out a lot of their offense one way or another. This is one of these situations that even if lathum is good we don't really lose.

[saldana]

no can do, summoning fouts was a one time thing.
convenient...did the notebook evaporate upon the casting of the spell or something?

[Abe Sargent]

Vote Lathum

You stink. Either of prophecy or of Head Neccing.


-Anxiety

[Tyrith]

i actually accounted for those two in an earlier post.

1. path had a blessed scarab at the start of the game, used it night 2, unknown if it protected his room or not.

2. the head necro had a cursed scarab at the start of the game, used it night 4, and it clouded Dubb's view of him today

3. the enchanter made a scarab and gave it to barkeep on night 3., we dont know where it is now.

This seems pretty plausible to me.

[Barkeep49]

Saldana presents a good case here. So I'll buy it.

Vote Lathum

[Fouts]

I think lathum has to die for information sake now. If he turns out good then we keep fouts, we can ponder dubb, and we can look elsewhere. If he's bad then we slaughter fouts, we can ponder about dubb differently, and we have probably taken out a lot of their offense one way or another. This is one of these situations that even if lathum is good we don't really lose.

This is crazy. Avatar only lasts for 3 days. IF Lathum has more abilities, he is not going to come out and say "yeah, I can do other stuff, necros come and kill me".

If Lathum is bad and summoned a mummy, why let the mummy live and kill somebody else?

Alan T, saldana, tyrith so far. Anxiety is creeping onto the list of suspected necros.

[Alan T]

This is crazy. Avatar only lasts for 3 days. IF Lathum has more abilities, he is not going to come out and say "yeah, I can do other stuff, necros come and kill me".

If Lathum is bad and summoned a mummy, why let the mummy live and kill somebody else?

Alan T, saldana, tyrith so far. Anxiety is creeping onto the list of suspected necros.


So far your list of necros then is:

Quick, Barkeep, Sndvls, Alan T, Saldana, Tyrith .. anyone else? :)

[dubb93]

Dead: [7]

2. Passacaglia - Ruling Class, killed Night 4
6. Cronin - Explorer, lynched Day 2
12. Coffee Warlord - Ruling Class Fanatic, killed himself Night 4
13. bulletsponge - Necromancer, lynched Day 4
16. Bek - Necromancer Initiate, lynched Day 3
17. Blade6119 - Mystic, Day kill Day 4
18. Swaggs - Ruling Class, lynched Day 1

Alive: [15]

1. Barkeep49
3. Schmidty
4. path12
5. Anxiety
7. Dubb
8. AlanT
9. Saldana
10. SnDvls
11. Lathum
14. Qwikshot
15. Tyrith
19. Vince
20. Chubby
21. Tanglewood
22. Kingfc22

Undead: [1]

Fouts=Mummy or Avatar, Mummy is more likely

Unclaimed Roles:

- Elite Guard: standard bodyguard role. Do not learn the identity of the attacker, but will successfully block an attack except by Mummy or a Disease. Can not guard same person on consecutive nights without explicit order from the Pharaoh.

- Enchanter: can craft a Scarab of Protection once every four nights (Available on 3rd day, can be used once every 4 days, uses cannot be 'stockpiled).
Cannot use their own scarab initially, but can use it in the event it is passed back to them.

- High Priest: has the ability to consecrate the dead, prevented them from being reanimated, once every three days (note - cannot be used until at least Night 3, usage cannot be 'stockpiled').

- 'Favored by the Gods': will avert death (at least) one time during the game. No dice roll is invoked, no opportunity to identify his attacker. He will not even know he was attacked. The necromancers will know that he is 'Favored'. This power is useless against the Mummy or a Disease spell.

- Healthy: will not be affected by Disease spell.

- Magically attuned: has 10% chance of detecting mystic/enchanter/necromancer/high priest/soothsayer when they invoke the following actions: craft scarab, consecrate dead, animate mummy, summon avatar, 'lie detector'.

- The Prophecy: the coming of this one has been foretold. But will he bring victory to the forces of life or death? Note - only hidden role in the game. Cannot be detected by seer, does not show up as a necromancer if 'sought'.

- Brothers: these two players may PM each other freely throughout the game. The loss of one will have consequences on the other.

-Head Necromancer

-Dreamweaver

That makes for 11 unlcaimed roles....now lets start to place these roles and I know this may help the necs some, but I feel it is important....

1. Barkeep49--scanned by blade?
3. Schmidty
4. path12--pharoah, public knowledge
5. Anxiety--Magically attuned?, just a feeling
7. Dubb--soothsayer, claimed and played role
8. AlanT--brother?
9. Saldana--brother?
10. SnDvls--generic, confirmed by me
11. Lathum--trying to pull something
14. Qwikshot--unknown, but never wavered in support of seer
15. Tyrith
19. Vince--generic?
20. Chubby
21. Tanglewood
22. Kingfc22

Well, that is my best guess at this point, anyone want to make corrections?

[Fouts]

So far your list of necros then is:

Quick, Barkeep, Sndvls, Alan T, Saldana, Tyrith .. anyone else? :)

Not yet. Let me look over dubb's list.

[Barkeep49]

As of 2349

Fouts - Qwikshot (1887), SnDvls (1893), Chubby (1928), Schmidty (1937), Kingfc (1956), Dubb (2213)

Alan T - Lathum (1912), Fouts (2247)

Dubb - Vince (2244)

Lathum - Saldana (2267), Tyrith (2297), Anxiety(2343), Barkeep (2345)

Not voted - Path, , Alan T, Tanglewood

[Alan T]

I'll come out and say I am not a brother.

[dubb93]

I'll come out and say I am not a brother.

Then fix it;)

[Fouts]

If you guys kill Lathum, I get 3 days to laugh at you. I'll have all weekend to think of which idiot to protect.

[dubb93]

If I pegged you wrong, by all means fix it.

[Tyrith]

This is crazy. Avatar only lasts for 3 days. IF Lathum has more abilities, he is not going to come out and say "yeah, I can do other stuff, necros come and kill me".

If Lathum is bad and summoned a mummy, why let the mummy live and kill somebody else?

Alan T, saldana, tyrith so far. Anxiety is creeping onto the list of suspected necros.

If Lathum has more abilities he's a bigger liar. He's either the prophecy or the head necro. Either way it's not good for us.

[Barkeep49]

If you guys kill Lathum, I get 3 days to laugh at you. I'll have all weekend to think of which idiot to protect.
Can you blame us? We'd rather have you then lathum if you guys are telling the truth.

[dubb93]

The prophecy is supposed to be immune to scans.......

[kingfc22]

I am basicly condeming myself to be a night kill, but since I am a plain villegar the one for one kill helps us.

Barkeep's post about game balance keeps coming back to me and how can the necs survive if even our normal roles gets to summon an avatar. Sorry, just not buying it and I can see myself following saldana's lead in voting for Lathum.

Unvote Fouts
Vote Lathum

[Fouts]

Can you blame us? We'd rather have you then lathum if you guys are telling the truth.

Yes, I can blame you. Why would you suspect the guy that comes out and tries to help over the guy who sits back in hiding? Do these players have that big of an ego to say "watch me come out and make some stuff up, everyone will believe me and kill an eqyptian, then I'll be safe".

Or does it make more sense that he is on the side of the good, trying to ferret out the bad guys?

Common sense to me.

[Barkeep49]

People on fouts: Why stay on him? Hasn't the cost benefit analysis changed sufficiently as to make sense to test Lathum?

Lathum and Fouts have linked themselves to each other. If Lathum is good so is Fouts. If Fouts is bad so is Lathum. Since Lathum, if good, has no further way of helping us, and Fouts if good, does, doesn't it make sense to lynch him as if they are both bad Lynching Lathum isn't such a bad thing and then we get to lynch Fouts tomorrow.

[Barkeep49]

Fouts: Common sense is lacking at the moment since common sense would say that Lathum has no way of blocking dubb's scan.

[dubb93]

If we are right and Lathum is the head nec, voting him assures that someone gets killed tonight. We CAN NOT STOP THE MUMMY. I never thought I would say that, but for once it may be true.

[Barkeep49]

Oh and I'm keeping a vote count if anyone wants to request it at any time.

[Tyrith]

Yes, I can blame you. Why would you suspect the guy that comes out and tries to help over the guy who sits back in hiding? Do these players have that big of an ego to say "watch me come out and make some stuff up, everyone will believe me and kill an eqyptian, then I'll be safe".

Or does it make more sense that he is on the side of the good, trying to ferret out the bad guys?

Common sense to me.

It makes sense that he was getting pressured yesterday and tried to save his ass today any way he could, got his wires crosses up with dubb, and is trying to dig himself out of the hole any way he can.

[Alan T]

Ok here is how I would correct my entry. I also have feelings about Saldana but its not because of being a brother, its based on something I noticed earlier, but think he is good because of it. I put your name next to the entries that I are not necessarily the same thoughts that I have.

1. Barkeep49--scanned by blade?
3. Schmidty
4. path12--pharoah, public knowledge
5. Anxiety--Magically attuned?, just a feeling (dubb)
7. Dubb--soothsayer, claimed and played role
8. AlanT-- led charge against Bullet day before Blade and led charge against Lathum today (Alans note)
9. Saldana-- feel he is good for subtle reasons (alans note)
10. SnDvls--generic, confirmed by me (dubb)
11. Lathum--trying to pull something
14. Qwikshot--unknown, but never wavered in support of seer (dubb)
15. Tyrith
19. Vince--generic?
20. Chubby
21. Tanglewood
22. Kingfc22

[Fouts]

People on fouts: Why stay on him? Hasn't the cost benefit analysis changed sufficiently as to make sense to test Lathum?

Lathum and Fouts have linked themselves to each other. If Lathum is good so is Fouts. If Fouts is bad so is Lathum. Since Lathum, if good, has no further way of helping us, and Fouts if good, does, doesn't it make sense to lynch him as if they are both bad Lynching Lathum isn't such a bad thing and then we get to lynch Fouts tomorrow.

I said before, if he can help further, he would rather come out and say he can't do anything else to keep the necros at bay.

Also, why would the prophecy be able to summon an avatar? Why would the prophecy need to?

[Barkeep49]

If we are right and Lathum is the head nec, voting him assures that someone gets killed tonight. We CAN NOT STOP THE MUMMY. I never thought I would say that, but for once it may be true.
That's true dubb. And I would gladly take a 2-1 here. 2 bad guys, in the form of Fouts and Lathum, for 1 good guy with the upside being that we have an an invincible bodyguard for 3 nights if Fouts is good.

[saldana]

Fouts: Common sense is lacking at the moment since common sense would say that Lathum has no way of blocking dubb's scan.


so you arent buying my "the pharaoh and head nec both get a free scarab" ide?

[dubb93]

Fouts: Common sense is lacking at the moment since common sense would say that Lathum has no way of blocking dubb's scan.

Again, just because it says "seer" in the roles, how do you know for a fact that my scans are infallible? There has to be some checks and balances somewhere for my role, and it isn't like my scan today come as a suprise like my scan of SNDVLS did. I mean, I haven't even been attacked or anything, they didn't worry about me. I think the necs knew they had a balance for it and were going to play it when I was playing my role.

[saldana]

idea?

has anyone seen my edit button?

[dubb93]

That's true dubb. And I would gladly take a 2-1 here. 2 bad guys, in the form of Fouts and Lathum, for 1 good guy with the upside being that we have an an invincible bodyguard for 3 nights if Fouts is good.

Or a possible dead EG if fouts is bad.

[Barkeep49]

so you arent buying my "the pharaoh and head nec both get a free scarab" ide?
Actually I am. But Fouts is claiming that not to be true.

[dubb93]

I'm unwilling to move my vote today. Tomorrow I'll vote Lathum no questions asked if Fouts is bad, today my risk/reward says the risk of Fouts being a mummy is greater than any benefit he could bring as a Avatar. BLADE SCANNED BULLET ON HIS LAST DAY ALIVE. ANYONE COULD TELL THAT FROM HIS WORDS. HE DID NOT GO 3 DAYS WITHOUT SCANNING. I DO NOT BUY IT.

[Fouts]

People on fouts: Why stay on him? Hasn't the cost benefit analysis changed sufficiently as to make sense to test Lathum?

Lathum and Fouts have linked themselves to each other. If Lathum is good so is Fouts. If Fouts is bad so is Lathum. Since Lathum, if good, has no further way of helping us, and Fouts if good, does, doesn't it make sense to lynch him as if they are both bad Lynching Lathum isn't such a bad thing and then we get to lynch Fouts tomorrow.

If I am the mummy, I will be killing tonight, and it will be one of you active players. It could be any of you. {dun dun DUN}

But, I am the Avatar, and Lathum has told me that Alan T is a necro.

[Barkeep49]

Or a possible dead EG if fouts is bad.
I am willing to trade any one good guy for 2 bad guys. In a game where villagers always have numbers on their side a often times a 2 villager for 1 bad guy trade is a good deal. This is the reverse.

[saldana]

That's true dubb. And I would gladly take a 2-1 here. 2 bad guys, in the form of Fouts and Lathum, for 1 good guy with the upside being that we have an an invincible bodyguard for 3 nights if Fouts is good.

you do realize i said this about 120 posts ago, dont you?

[Alan T]

It makes sense that he was getting pressured yesterday and tried to save his ass today any way he could, got his wires crosses up with dubb, and is trying to dig himself out of the hole any way he can.


Well dubbs may or may not be a part of this.. for now lets focus on Lathum + Fouts. Dubbs did present a logical explanation for how he could be deceived.

[Fouts]

Actually I am. But Fouts is claiming that not to be true.

Where did I claim that? I said the soothsayer should believe in his abilties, otherwise he is useless.

[Tyrith]

Yeah, I can understand voting for fouts...we just need to keep enough votes on fouts and lathum so that they can't break some sort of tie later.

[Fouts]

Well dubbs may or may not be a part of this.. for now lets focus on Lathum + Fouts. Dubbs did present a logical explanation for how he could be deceived.

How about we focus on why Lathum is sure you are a necro? Hmmm?

[Tyrith]

My primary fear now is that if we kill Fouts and he's good our problems may not be over, because that means Lathum has to be the Prophecy and is trying to deceive us ANYWAY. And I'm not sure what weird shit powers he might have in that case. And large parts of me just want lathum to die now, as stupid as it may be.

[Alan T]

How about we focus on why Lathum is sure you are a necro? Hmmm?


Because the scavenger also has the ability to summon avatars and scan players. We know this :)

[Barkeep49]

you do realize i said this about 120 posts ago, dont you?
Yes I do. I've come around to your thinking. I don't believe I've debated you on the topic.

[saldana]

i cant believe there are 3 more hours to the deadline....i will laugh my ass off if tangle shows up 5 minutes before 10 thinking he can catch up before the deadline

[Tyrith]

How about we focus on why Lathum is sure you are a necro? Hmmm?

Sure, come up with some evidence instead of your over-aggressive bluster and we can talk about it.

[Barkeep49]

I don't think Lathum has ever stated as unequivicably as Fouts has that you are a necro Alan.

[Alan T]

My primary fear now is that if we kill Fouts and he's good our problems may not be over, because that means Lathum has to be the Prophecy and is trying to deceive us ANYWAY. And I'm not sure what weird shit powers he might have in that case. And large parts of me just want lathum to die now, as stupid as it may be.

my biggest fear is that after today they are going to get me tonight just out of spite lol.

[Fouts]

My primary fear now is that if we kill Fouts and he's good our problems may not be over, because that means Lathum has to be the Prophecy and is trying to deceive us ANYWAY. And I'm not sure what weird shit powers he might have in that case. And large parts of me just want lathum to die now, as stupid as it may be.

Explain to us how the prophecy can summon avatars?

Also, explain why we should make stupid moves, like killing a good guy?

[saldana]

Yes I do. I've come around to your thinking. I don't believe I've debated you on the topic.


no, i just feel like people dont even read stuff i post sometimes, because it ends up being said again later like i wasnt even here....i guess i have a bit of a complex:(

[kingfc22]

i cant believe there are 3 more hours to the deadline....i will laugh my ass off if tangle shows up 5 minutes before 10 thinking he can catch up before the deadline

lol :D

[Fouts]

my biggest fear is that after today they are going to get me tonight just out of spite lol.

Who are they? Let me tell you, if either myself or Lathum are lynched, you will go next.

[dubb93]

Where did I claim that? I said the soothsayer should believe in his abilties, otherwise he is useless.

I do, and I was told Lathum was telling the truth when he said he was an egyptian WITH NO ROLE. Now he claims a role and that he raised you to boot. They are content with killing your master, so kill me tonight, it will only clear SNDVLS even more.

[Tyrith]

Explain to us how the prophecy can summon avatars?

Also, explain why we should make stupid moves, like killing a good guy?

Because the prophecy is the only only _ONLY_ hidden role in the game. THERE ARE NO OTHER ROLES THAT WE DO NOT KNOW ALL THE DETAILS ABOUT. Lathum has to be the prophecy or be a totally lying bastard. Possibly both.

[Barkeep49]

no, i just feel like people dont even read stuff i post sometimes, because it ends up being said again later like i wasnt even here....i guess i have a bit of a complex:(
I've had a thought what if:

1. path had a blessed scarab at the start of the game, used it night 2, unknown if it protected his room or not.

2. the head necro had a cursed scarab at the start of the game, used it night 4, and it clouded Dubb's view of him today

3. the enchanter made a scarab and gave it to barkeep on night 3., we dont know where it is now.

[Abe Sargent]

I said before, if he can help further, he would rather come out and say he can't do anything else to keep the necros at bay.



Why, I thought you were going to keep Necs at bay all by yourself?


-Anxiety

[dubb93]

Here is concrete proof we need to axe the mummy today. Blade must go 3 days with no scan to raise an avatar. In doing so that means he had not scanned at all. Already he claimed to not scan Lathum, but Lathum claims he was scanned on night 1. If this was true, we have no avatar today.

So Lathum is lieing about something. Add to that the fact Blade scanned Bullet on night 3, and it becomes obvious our biggest threat is the mummy, Lathum can't get a 100% kill tonight.

[Blade6119]

so cronin, how are you today? :)

[dubb93]

BTW. vote count please.

[Barkeep49]

Here is concrete proof we need to axe the mummy today. Blade must go 3 days with no scan to raise an avatar. In doing so that means he had not scanned at all. Already he claimed to not scan Lathum, but Lathum claims he was scanned on night 1. If this was true, we have no avatar today.

So Lathum is lieing about something. Add to that the fact Blade scanned Bullet on night 3, and it becomes obvious our biggest threat is the mummy, Lathum can't get a 100% kill tonight.
Dubb: Blade could have done 1 scan in the scenario that Lathum is presenting, on n1, and then Lathum, on n4, finishes the work which then causes Fouts to appear today. It all works out timeline wise.

[Barkeep49]

As of 2399

Fouts - Qwikshot (1887), SnDvls (1893), Chubby (1928), Schmidty (1937), Dubb (2213)

Alan T - Lathum (1912), Fouts (2247)

Dubb - Vince (2244)

Lathum - Saldana (2267), Tyrith (2297), Anxiety(2343), Barkeep (2345), king (2358)

Not voted - Path, , Alan T, Tanglewood

[Fouts]

Why, I thought you were going to keep Necs at bay all by yourself?


-Anxiety

I'm talking about the next lynch.

[kingfc22]

Because the prophecy is the only only _ONLY_ hidden role in the game. THERE ARE NO OTHER ROLES THAT WE DO NOT KNOW ALL THE DETAILS ABOUT. Lathum has to be the prophecy or be a totally lying bastard. Possibly both.

And at this point. I am in favor of lynching the prophecy since he is more than likely the one responsible for killing our seer. And IMO that means he is not playing on our side.

Even if Fouts is the mummy, it's not like the necs have found each other yet because they have still yet to kill anybody and I have yet to detect on any syncronized movements. And we could just lynch him tomorrow if we still think he is the mummy.

[dubb93]

Dubb: Blade could have done 1 scan in the scenario that Lathum is presenting, on n1, and then Lathum, on n4, finishes the work which then causes Fouts to appear today. It all works out timeline wise.

3 nights no scan BEFORE he can be raised. I'm pretty sure Hoops was clear on that.

[Barkeep49]

I think Schmidty (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=50664) has seen how many posts there are in the thread.

[saldana]

Because the prophecy is the only only _ONLY_ hidden role in the game. THERE ARE NO OTHER ROLES THAT WE DO NOT KNOW ALL THE DETAILS ABOUT. Lathum has to be the prophecy or be a totally lying bastard. Possibly both.

and if he is the prophecy, why didnt he say that, unless he has his own winning condition, in which case, he, and by association fouts, is not on our side, so either way, the value of killing him keeps increasing.

[Barkeep49]

3 nights no scan BEFORE he can be raised. I'm pretty sure Hoops was clear on that.
You're correct and I am wrong.

[Abe Sargent]

Fouts, you really need to get in on the next game from the beginning!

-Anxiety

[Fouts]

Here are some facts (since I arrived);

dubb claims to be a soothsayer, scans lathum, says he is good.

lathum claims to have summoned the avatar, is sure Alan is a necro

fouts claims to be an avatar

random people (led by Alan T, saldana, and tyrith) want to kill anyone claiming to be anything, even if it is likely to be the truth.

Now dispute it with facts.

[Barkeep49]

How can dubb trust his scan when the scan says Lathum is an Egyptian without a role and Lathum claims to be an Egyptian with a role.

[st.cronin]

If we are right and Lathum is the head nec, voting him assures that someone gets killed tonight. We CAN NOT STOP THE MUMMY. I never thought I would say that, but for once it may be true.

BEST.POST.EVER.

[Fouts]

Fouts, you really need to get in on the next game from the beginning!

-Anxiety

I put too much energy into the game, and get bummed when people don't listen. The truth can be handed to people on a silver platter and they will say they don't believe it.

[st.cronin]

so cronin, how are you today? :)

fine, thanks, and you?

[kingfc22]

How can dubb trust his scan when the scan says Lathum is an Egyptian without a role and Lathum claims to be an Egyptian with a role.

And there lies the problem.

[Blade6119]

fine, thanks, and you?
To be honest, im feeling a little stiff...i swear, dying is not fun...you know what i mean man?

[Fouts]

How can dubb trust his scan when the scan says Lathum is an Egyptian without a role and Lathum claims to be an Egyptian with a role.

That is for the GM to figure out. I don't think he scanned the whole post. What do you expect me to believe? I am an Avatar and he summoned me. How can a bad guy do that?

[dubb93]

To be honest, im feeling a little stiff...i swear, dying is not fun...you know what i mean man?

I assume someone out there must have the power to bring you back, although reading the rules, it gets confusing on the subject.

[Qwikshot]

Okay...I'm not moving off Fouts, for one reason and one reason only...

There hasn't been a night kill attributed to the baddies...I don't think they're as large in number as we thought. I think they're still trying to find each other...

The botched attacks were lone assassins, and one lost his knife, so I'm guessing he may have lost the ability to attack further.

The disease attack on Blade shows the desperation, the head nec went blindly after a veteren player.

The mummy is the most logical choice because we assume there is one seer, it's not that all of us are baddies, it just seems so blatantly obvious that Fouts is the mummy because of the evidence.

So we got a pissing match for pro and con of keeping Fouts, but if Fouts is a mummy, we know someone will die tonight because the mummy will kill someone.

If Fouts isn't the mummy, then I will take that gamble because, it still means that the baddies are splintered.

Doesn't it strike anyone odd the number of nights now without a successful kill, I wake up and worry every morning and grow more and more alarmed...maybe Bek, bullet and just the head baddie...we may be better off than we think?

But I'm not moving off Fouts, it seems too obvious who and what he is, and what his intentions are.

[Fouts]

lol,

I;m telling you ALanT is the way to go. Maybe once you see fouts is the avatar you will believe me.

This is the post that has me believing that Alan T is the necro. Whether he is a necro or not, after you lynch myself or lathum, you will lynch Alan.

[Qwikshot]

To be honest, im feeling a little stiff...i swear, dying is not fun...you know what i mean man?

Admit it, you got a hardon for werewolves...:)

[saldana]

To be honest, im feeling a little stiff...i swear, dying is not fun...you know what i mean man?
stop reading the Hot or Not threads

[dubb93]

This is the post that has me believing that Alan T is the necro. Whether he is a necro or not, after you lynch myself or lathum, you will lynch Alan.

Even if Blade did raise you he had to take 3 full nights off before he raised you. Listening to Lathum, we'd be led to believe in his 3 off nights he scanned Lathum, Bullet, and Alan. Not fucking likely.

[Fouts]

How did Pass die?

[Barkeep49]

Qwik: I actually the somewaht the reverese of one of your statements. If Fouts is NOT the Mummy, it likely means that with so few attacks the bad guys have mostly found each other.

[Barkeep49]

How did Pass die?
Coffee Warlord, the fanatic, killed him.

[dubb93]

How did Pass die?

Coffee killed him and then hung himself.

[Qwikshot]

I'm out for the night...I won't be back till after lynch call...enjoy your weekend.

[saldana]

How did Pass die?
he was killed by Coffe Warlord, who was the fanatic (assasin), who then had to kill himself for killing another egyptian

[Qwikshot]

How did Pass die?

murdered by fanatic, Coffee.

[dubb93]

he was killed by Coffe Warlord, who was the fanatic (assasin), who then had to kill himself for killing another egyptian because the rules say that if he killed an egyptian he must kill himself.

[dubb93]

Do we need this expanded any more?

[Qwikshot]

Qwik: I actually the somewaht the reverese of one of your statements. If Fouts is NOT the Mummy, it likely means that with so few attacks the bad guys have mostly found each other.

Really, what are they waiting for? That's my only hope, is that hoops made them a small group...to buy us enough time to start locating them...I think it was a coup to get bek and bullet so quick...

[st.cronin]

This game is on a pace to fly past the Maximum Football thread in terms of replies.

[saldana]

one other thing to consider, although some people dont like to bring past games into current games.....lathum is easily in the top 3 for fake role reveals...he as jammed it up our collective villager asses several times in the past with convoluted stories about roles that no one has ever heard of.

[kingfc22]

So we have a tie with 3 voters not in.

[dubb93]

one other thing to consider, although some people dont like to bring past games into current games.....lathum is easily in the top 3 for fake role reveals...he as jammed it up our collective villager asses several times in the past with convoluted stories about roles that no one has ever heard of.

.......only to later get it jammed up his collective ass.:D

[Blade6119]

.......only to later get it jammed up his collective ass.:D
Can we please refrain from all this talk about jamming things up dudes asses? thanks

[saldana]

This game is on a pace to fly past the Maximum Football thread in terms of replies.
it should easily become the highest posted WW game

[Barkeep49]

So we have a tie with 3 voters not in.
Including the person with the tie breaker.

[saldana]

Can we please refrain from all this talk about jamming things up dudes asses? thanks

why, this game is about necrophiliacs, after all.

[Barkeep49]

it should easily become the highest posted WW game
Which would make it 2nd or 3rd all time depending on whether it could beat the hockey thread.

[Blade6119]

it should easily become the highest posted WW game
#7 thread all time for FOFC already

[SnDvls]

People on fouts: Why stay on him? Hasn't the cost benefit analysis changed sufficiently as to make sense to test Lathum?

Lathum and Fouts have linked themselves to each other. If Lathum is good so is Fouts. If Fouts is bad so is Lathum. Since Lathum, if good, has no further way of helping us, and Fouts if good, does, doesn't it make sense to lynch him as if they are both bad Lynching Lathum isn't such a bad thing and then we get to lynch Fouts tomorrow.

in some senses yes, but a 3 night kill tonight vs a 2 night kill is not so good and gets the necros back in the game. If you kill fouts and he's bad we can get Lathum tomorrow and only suffer 2 kills. If we let fouts live we suffer 4 kills in 2 nights vs 3...all of this assumes the disease was used.

[saldana]

#7 thread all time for FOFC already
yeah, and about to pass my Harry Potter game :mad: :(

[Fouts]

So the next 3 voters options are; avatar, summoner or throw away vote.

While this looks like a great day for the necros, some people have lumped themselves together. After one of us dies, you will be under the microscope.

[Fouts]

As of 2399

Fouts - Qwikshot (1887), SnDvls (1893), Chubby (1928), Schmidty (1937), Dubb (2213)

Alan T - Lathum (1912), Fouts (2247)

Dubb - Vince (2244)

Lathum - Saldana (2267), Tyrith (2297), Anxiety(2343), Barkeep (2345), king (2358)

Not voted - Path, , Alan T, Tanglewood

Think about this. The necro's won't choose to kill me over another player when they know I die in 3 days no matter what.

[saldana]

in some senses yes, but a 3 night kill tonight vs a 2 night kill is not so good and gets the necros back in the game. If you kill fouts and he's bad we can get Lathum tomorrow and only suffer 2 kills. If we let fouts live we suffer 4 kills in 2 nights vs 3...all of this assumes the disease was used.

this is correct, BUT, if we kill lathum tonight, we get 3 nights of protections from fouts, any one of which could result in a necro running into him and getting his dead loving ass killed in the process.

[Abe Sargent]

Yes, the child molester is hot.

Oh, wait a second....



-Anxiety

[kingfc22]

Think about this. The necro's won't choose to kill me over another player when they know I die in 3 days no matter what.

Why not? If you are the avatar then we get 3 days of protection with an EG and an avatar. They have yet to make a night kill and going up against 2 bodyguards at once and a Favored by the Gods would be more than enough reason to vote for you.

[Fouts]

Why not? If you are the avatar then we get 3 days of protection with an EG and an avatar. They have yet to make a night kill and going up against 2 bodyguards at once and a Favored by the Gods would be more than enough reason to vote for you.

But, why is it ok to kill somebody on the side of good? Lathum has said Alan is a necro. Nobody has come out and said I am a mummy or Lathum is the head nec. You guys are all saying kill one of the good guys is ok, while leaving a bad guy alive. I don't understand it.

[SnDvls]

this is correct, BUT, if we kill lathum tonight, we get 3 nights of protections from fouts, any one of which could result in a necro running into him and getting his dead loving ass killed in the process.

only if fouts is good. see if fouts is bad we know lathum is bad and the necros do to so they can all meet up tonight. (guess 4 left now). so we kill lathum. leave fouts to kill and probally 2 more kills tonight. Tomorrow the remaining 4 necros gang up as we hang fouts. that's again a 2 night kill.

this is the necros attempt to all finally get together. no matter what they either scan lathum and all have communication.

[saldana]

But, why is it ok to kill somebody on the side of good? Lathum has said Alan is a necro. Nobody has come out and said I am a mummy or Lathum is the head nec. You guys are all saying kill one of the good guys is ok, while leaving a bad guy alive. I don't understand it.

you are a mummy

lathum is the head nec


Happy now?

[Coffee Warlord]

Coffee Warlord, the fanatic, killed him.

It's not my fault! Honest! The yaks made me do it!

[Tyrith]

My logical side wants Fouts dead...but...I can see a situation where Fouts is good and Lathum is bad. The absolutely very best Lathum can be right now is the prophecy and that's not good for us, but if we kill Fouts and he's good I don't want this subject dropped. I suspect there is a good chance the only side Fouts is on is Lathum's side, even if he is an avatar. If lathum is head necro he probably still has a disease use left (I assume he wouldn't be able to disease and search for necro the same night) so we're saving ourselves a sure kill either way, but this way leaves us the possibility of an avatar and it gets the lathum discussion over with before we get distracted slaughtering Alan or the like.

[SnDvls]

But, why is it ok to kill somebody on the side of good? Lathum has said Alan is a necro. Nobody has come out and said I am a mummy or Lathum is the head nec. You guys are all saying kill one of the good guys is ok, while leaving a bad guy alive. I don't understand it.


you are a bad guy, kill fouts...there how's that.

lynching fouts is the right choice. even if...and it's a hugh ass if he's an avatar we gain knowledge....first we keep our EG like king said and we then know lathum is good.

[Abe Sargent]

You know:

A lot of us feel Lathum is the prophecy which is how he dodged the sooth lie detection. Maybe the prophecy summons someone who is NEITHER the mummy nor the avatar?


-Anxiety

[saldana]

only if fouts is good. see if fouts is bad we know lathum is bad and the necros do to so they can all meet up tonight. (guess 4 left now). so we kill lathum. leave fouts to kill and probally 2 more kills tonight. Tomorrow the remaining 4 necros gang up as we hang fouts. that's again a 2 night kill.

this is the necros attempt to all finally get together. no matter what they either scan lathum and all have communication.


sun, i am not disagreeing with you at all, but there is alot more upside to leaving fouts alive than leaving lathum alive....all lathum gives us (if he is for real) is one more 'scavenge' that may or may not prove useful. fouts gives us 3 nights of protection that kills anyone that attacks him

[Tyrith]

I don't know if you're the mummy Fouts, but you weren't summoned by a guy on our side, so you're guilty by association. Lathum tried to make up a cute story and got caught because he forgot how explicit the rules were. Sometimes being summoned isn't the happiest way to live a life, sorry.

[Tyrith]

sun, i am not disagreeing with you at all, but there is alot more upside to leaving fouts alive than leaving lathum alive....all lathum gives us (if he is for real) is one more 'scavenge' that may or may not prove useful. fouts gives us 3 nights of protection that kills anyone that attacks him

At this point I seriously doubt that there is a scavenge ability in the game. I suspect Lathum came up with a cover so that he didn't have to show us his real abilities but was caught by the "no hidden rules except prophecy" bug.

[SnDvls]

sun, i am not disagreeing with you at all, but there is alot more upside to leaving fouts alive than leaving lathum alive....all lathum gives us (if he is for real) is one more 'scavenge' that may or may not prove useful. fouts gives us 3 nights of protection that kills anyone that attacks him


it's too high a risk in my book...we're doing just fine with out him right now...hell they haven't gotten a night kill yet we're doing all the work between a day one lynch..a blace explosion...and a CW attack and hanging.

[Tyrith]

You know:

A lot of us feel Lathum is the prophecy which is how he dodged the sooth lie detection. Maybe the prophecy summons someone who is NEITHER the mummy nor the avatar?


-Anxiety

This makes sense with my theory that Fouts is only on Lathum's side...a personal EG for Lathum?

[Fouts]

Well, no facts, just a bunch of wild guessing going on. Nice.

[SnDvls]

kill fouts and force lathum's hand if he's lying.

[Tyrith]

it's too high a risk in my book...we're doing just fine with out him right now...hell they haven't gotten a night kill yet we're doing all the work between a day one lynch..a blace explosion...and a CW attack and hanging.

I don't think that we're risking that much because Lathum probably isn't our side and if our EG is smart there is only about a 1/12 chance he gets caught tonight.

[Abe Sargent]

Yep, and it seems awfully hoopsguy-ish. He creates a role where it's pretty easy to figure out who is the avatar and whuo is the mummy, only to have a hidden third role to surprise us with.


-Anxiety

[SnDvls]

Well, no facts, just a bunch of wild guessing going on. Nice.

seems to be the same thing you were doing...I noticed you back off accusing me after it was pretty clear I'm good.

I'd also say path is good as well for those worried or wondering.

[Alan T]

Ive been torn over which way to vote all along... I think right now I agree with the mummy being more dangerous left alive. The fact it can kill anyone means bad things as we have no protection from it and he can take out several important roles. If Lathum is the head necro, and we keep him alive, its no sure thing that he is even able to do anything bad to us...

I think I'm going back with my vote from earlier

Vote Fouts

Its not really an easy decision, but weighing pros and cons I think it gives us a better chance to win in the end.

[SnDvls]

I'm not moving my vote...I"m off to dinner

down w/ Fouts!!!

[saldana]

This makes sense with my theory that Fouts is only on Lathum's side...a personal EG for Lathum?

either way, neither of them is on our side. because if lathum is the prophecy, he killed blade, which didnt help us at all.

[Tyrith]

I'm no longer going to give Fouts the respect of actually having anything useful or relevant to say until he posts something that actually involves evidence.

[saldana]

seems to be the same thing you were doing...I noticed you back off accusing me after it was pretty clear I'm good.

I'd also say path is good as well for those worried or wondering.


he has pretty much stopped throwing all our names out there as soon as it was mentioned how wolfish it was....maybe hoping we would forget?

[Fouts]

sun, i am not disagreeing with you at all, but there is alot more upside to leaving fouts alive than leaving lathum alive....all lathum gives us (if he is for real) is one more 'scavenge' that may or may not prove useful. fouts gives us 3 nights of protection that kills anyone that attacks him

But is anyone worth protecting around here?

[Tyrith]

I am just really really concerned now that Fouts is going to come up as an avatar or some kind of avatar and people are gonna think lathum is on our side when he bald-face lied to us today and is almost certainly the prophecy. We can kill an avatar and still need to kill lathum tomorrow (ESPECIALLY if he doesn't come clean right this second and what happens tonight doesn't match with Fouts death). If I can at least get some support to ease my concerns I'll switch back to fouts.

[Fouts]

I'm no longer going to give Fouts the respect of actually having anything useful or relevant to say until he posts something that actually involves evidence.

Thanks for that. Here is some evidence. dubb scanned lathum and it said he was good.

[saldana]

and if lathum is the prophecy, why didnt he say so...there are plenty of ways for us to protect him at night....why bother with the goofy scavenger thing unless he is on his own team

(did i post this already, i honestly cant remember if i posted it or just thought it)

[Tyrith]

I really don't like how this game has gone in terms of personal attacks and tempers...blade, lathum, dubb, myself getting snippy, now fouts seems to be going down that path...I'm not sure this is good for Werewolf in the long run. Just a note.

[Fouts]

I am just really really concerned now that Fouts is going to come up as an avatar or some kind of avatar and people are gonna think lathum is on our side when he bald-face lied to us today and is almost certainly the prophecy. We can kill an avatar and still need to kill lathum tomorrow (ESPECIALLY if he doesn't come clean right this second and what happens tonight doesn't match with Fouts death). If I can at least get some support to ease my concerns I'll switch back to fouts.

Unbelievable. People are voting for me because I might be the mummy and it will clear Lathum, and now you are saying it doesn't clear Lathum when I am found to be an avatar. Very necro-like. Throw more suspicion on Lathum to save Alan.

[Tyrith]

Thanks for that. Here is some evidence. dubb scanned lathum and it said he was good.

And the scan result was otherwise completely inconsistent with lathum's story. You can use this with evidence, it just proves lathum is a liar or a faker.

[Fouts]

I really don't like how this game has gone in terms of personal attacks and tempers...blade, lathum, dubb, myself getting snippy, now fouts seems to be going down that path...I'm not sure this is good for Werewolf in the long run. Just a note.

Huh? I'm playing the game. If you can't separate the two thats your problem. I didn't say anything about disrespecting you.

[dubb93]

I really don't like how this game has gone in terms of personal attacks and tempers...blade, lathum, dubb, myself getting snippy, now fouts seems to be going down that path...I'm not sure this is good for Werewolf in the long run. Just a note.

What a thread kill, learn to play the game.

[Abe Sargent]

I think we really need to deal with lathum tonight. There are scenarios under which Lathum is someone we need to take out but under which Fouts is still an Avatar. Maybe Lathum is the head nec and he never summoned a mummy, so he knows Fouts is not a mummy. Maybe Lathum is the prophecy and he can shoose to summon a mummy or an avatar and he chose avatar to get on our good side. Who knows?

However, we do know that if Lathum is rotten, Fouts is too.

In other words, a Fouts lynch as a mummy is not a guarantee that a Lathum lynch is a bad move the following day. A Lanthum lynch as a baddie likely keeps Fouts around.

We do know something hinky is going on with Lathum or Dubb. One lied to us. Either he has a role and Dub is lying or he is lying about his scavenger role or he's something immune like a Head Nec using a cursed scarab or the prophecy.

In other words, there is a reason to vote lathum outside of the Lathum/Fouts continuum. There is no for Fouts.


-Anxiety

[Abe Sargent]

I really don't like how this game has gone in terms of personal attacks and tempers...blade, lathum, dubb, myself getting snippy, now fouts seems to be going down that path...I'm not sure this is good for Werewolf in the long run. Just a note.


And Chubby earlier

[dubb93]

I think we really need to deal with lathum tonight. There are scenarios under which Lathum is someone we need to take out but under which Fouts is still an Avatar. Maybe Lathum is the head nec and he never summoned a mummy, so he knows Fouts is not a mummy. Maybe Lathum is the prophecy and he can shoose to summon a mummy or an avatar and he chose avatar to get on our good side. Who knows?

Fouts has made it clear he was summoned by Lathum. end of story on that.

[Tyrith]

Huh? I'm playing the game. If you can't separate the two thats your problem. I didn't say anything about disrespecting you.

You don't have to say anything, but your tone for most of the day has been, "Wow, wtf, I'm playing with a bunch of idiots." It might just be playing the game, but like with blade, it's not a tactic that I think makes the game a better experience for anyone else. It might just be that you're doing this strategy THIS game because I haven't seen you play a game in realtime. And I know I've kinda gone a little on-tilt myself this game and for that I have to sincerely apologize. I think we should all strive to play this game in a pleasant manner, no matter what side we are on.

[dubb93]

And Chubby earlier

Chubby was just being stubborn. He even said it wasn't out of character. Let's play the game and not worry about hurting someones feelings, it is a game about lieing, cheating, and killing. Someone has to be a dick at some point.

[Tyrith]

I wonder if there is any possible chance that if we kill the person who summoned something the something also dies? It isn't in the rules and large parts of me are just looking for a good excuse to keep my vote on lathum now, but the avatar and mummy both say "a maximum of three days/night", so there's a tiny chance for it.

[dubb93]

You don't have to say anything, but your tone for most of the day has been, "Wow, wtf, I'm playing with a bunch of idiots." It might just be playing the game, but like with blade, it's not a tactic that I think makes the game a better experience for anyone else. It might just be that you're doing this strategy THIS game because I haven't seen you play a game in realtime. And I know I've kinda gone a little on-tilt myself this game and for that I have to sincerely apologize. I think we should all strive to play this game in a pleasant manner, no matter what side we are on.

Sometimes that isn't possible, I warn you of this before you find yourself in a situation where u've spent free time for nearly 2 weeks playing and find yourself the only villager left with a wolf, a mafia hitman, and a mafia spy. Sometimes you have to be a dick.

[saldana]

You don't have to say anything, but your tone for most of the day has been, "Wow, wtf, I'm playing with a bunch of idiots." It might just be playing the game, but like with blade, it's not a tactic that I think makes the game a better experience for anyone else. It might just be that you're doing this strategy THIS game because I haven't seen you play a game in realtime. And I know I've kinda gone a little on-tilt myself this game and for that I have to sincerely apologize. I think we should all strive to play this game in a pleasant manner, no matter what side we are on.


from what i remember from playing with fouts before, he is always very abrupt, but i have never thought he was rude or abrasive in any way....no more so than most of us who are about to get killed and dont want to die.

[Fouts]

You don't have to say anything, but your tone for most of the day has been, "Wow, wtf, I'm playing with a bunch of idiots." It might just be playing the game, but like with blade, it's not a tactic that I think makes the game a better experience for anyone else. It might just be that you're doing this strategy THIS game because I haven't seen you play a game in realtime. And I know I've kinda gone a little on-tilt myself this game and for that I have to sincerely apologize. I think we should all strive to play this game in a pleasant manner, no matter what side we are on.

Ok, sounds good. Can you please not make the noose so tight as you strangle the life from me.

Seriously, I am just taken aback when people are given facts and choose to disregard them. There was a scan, oh but it might have been corrupt, here is my role, oh it doesn't exist because I don't see it written down.

If my tone is coming across this way, its because I know the truth and nobody believes it. I'll stop posting and let you get on with your lynch.

[Abe Sargent]

Chubby was just being stubborn. He even said it wasn't out of character. Let's play the game and not worry about hurting someones feelings, it is a game about lieing, cheating, and killing. Someone has to be a dick at some point.


heh

[Tyrith]

Sometimes that isn't possible, I warn you of this before you find yourself in a situation where u've spent free time for nearly 2 weeks playing and find yourself the only villager left with a wolf, a mafia hitman, and a mafia spy. Sometimes you have to be a dick.

I think on this we'll have to agree to disagree and leave it at that. Time to kick ass :)

[Lathum]

wow, I love this game, you guys are so paroinoid. So in the span of 24 hours I have summoned fouts, used an item to confuse dubbs scan, killed blade, become the prophecy and invented a role. All I have started with are theories so that we would have some discussion today. Once fouts is proven to be the avatar one way or the other I hope you guys wil have some faith in me.

[Tyrith]

I think an interesting werewolf variant would be a game where people are only allowed to make a certain number of posts each day. We'd definately make them all a lot longer but everything would also be more considered and there would probably be a lot less junk to sort out. And no, this is not meant as a crack at anyone here, just an interesting concept I just thought of.

[Tyrith]

wow, I love this game, you guys are so paroinoid. So in the span of 24 hours I have summoned fouts, used an item to confuse dubbs scan, killed blade, become the prophecy and invented a role. All I have started with are theories so that we would have some discussion today. Once fouts is proven to be the avatar one way or the other I hope you guys wil have some faith in me.

I will have faith in you if and only if you explain how your role fits within the parameters set out by hoops at the beginning of the game.

[Lathum]

Sometimes that isn't possible, I warn you of this before you find yourself in a situation where u've spent free time for nearly 2 weeks playing and find yourself the only villager left with a wolf, a mafia hitman, and a mafia spy. Sometimes you have to be a dick.
are you refering to the mafia game :)

[saldana]

I wonder if there is any possible chance that if we kill the person who summoned something the something also dies? It isn't in the rules and large parts of me are just looking for a good excuse to keep my vote on lathum now, but the avatar and mummy both say "a maximum of three days/night", so there's a tiny chance for it.


this is huge...i didnt notice it before....if we kill lathum, it only makes sense that the being he summoned dies with him....which means if we are wrong, we DON'T get 3 nights of guard duty from fouts....however, i dont think we are wrong, which translates to killing lathum kills them both and we dont have to worry about what fouts will do tonight in terms of killing.

[Lathum]

I think an interesting werewolf variant would be a game where people are only allowed to make a certain number of posts each day. We'd definately make them all a lot longer but everything would also be more considered and there would probably be a lot less junk to sort out. And no, this is not meant as a crack at anyone here, just an interesting concept I just thought of.
blade would hate this

[Alan T]

*wave Tanglewood* Welcome to 15 new pages!

[saldana]

wow, I love this game, you guys are so paroinoid. So in the span of 24 hours I have summoned fouts, used an item to confuse dubbs scan, killed blade, become the prophecy and invented a role. All I have started with are theories so that we would have some discussion today. Once fouts is proven to be the avatar one way or the other I hope you guys wil have some faith in me.



actually, I AM SURE YOU ARE NOT THE PROPHECY.

the role of avatar is listed under the Eqyptian roles, not the neutral, so you have to be either the mystic or the head necro, and fouts either the avatar or the mummy....i think my vote says which one i think you are.

[Tyrith]

The Prophecy could be an Egyptian, theoretically, but probably not an Egyptian on our side; more like...crap, I forget the name of the traitor role usually. But you get the idea.

[Lathum]

The Prophecy could be an Egyptian, theoretically, but probably not an Egyptian on our side; more like...crap, I forget the name of the traitor role usually. But you get the idea.
turncoat.

but the turncoat suggests someone who is a weasel and I doubt the prophecy is that.