Werewolf: Hunt for Necromancers - GAME OVER! Post #3469 [Archive] - Page 6

dubb93

06-21-2006, 07:54 PM

To me, they've been the most consistent and made the most sense.

Yes, b/c Barkeep calling for the EG AND the ruling class to reveal themselves makes alot more sense than me going public with my best suspect and then testing him. You know my role is a day power and not a night power right? When I have it I can use it whenever the hell I feel like it rather its during the night phase or 5 minutes to deadline. Whatever, I don't want to throw my vote away on Blade now that he is back to being Blade so I'll make it count a little more on someone more likely to be bad...

UNVOTE BLADE

VOTE CHUBBY

If I'm not the soothsayer why hasn't someone else claimed it? What the hell are they waiting for? It is b/c if there is another freakin soothsayer he's a nec and can't come out and claim anything now. Seriously, don't overanalyze things. Look where it has got people in past games. If someone claims a legit role and no one else has it, then they are probably legit. Lets start to build a fucking trust list or we will be hopeless.

I would start that list with:

DUBB--soothsayer
SNDVLS--cleared by me
PATH--on the throne
LATHUM--claims to be scanned by seer

As the game goes on we can build to it. And feel free to add yourselves if you know you are clean.

Abe Sargent

06-21-2006, 07:56 PM

Is this where we have another round of "I'm an Egyptian" posts?

-Anxiety

Chubby

06-21-2006, 07:57 PM

Yes, b/c Barkeep calling for the EG AND the ruling class to reveal themselves makes alot more sense than me going public with my best suspect and then testing him. You know my role is a day power and not a night power right? When I have it I can use it whenever the hell I feel like it rather its during the night phase or 5 minutes to deadline. Whatever, I don't want to throw my vote away on Blade now that he is back to being Blade so I'll make it count a little more on someone more likely to be bad...

UNVOTE BLADE

VOTE CHUBBY

If I'm not the soothsayer why hasn't someone else claimed it? What the hell are they waiting for? It is b/c if there is another freakin soothsayer he's a nec and can't come out and claim anything now. Seriously, don't overanalyze things. Look where it has got people in past games. If someone claims a legit role and no one else has it, then they are probably legit. Lets start to build a fucking trust list or we will be hopeless.

I would start that list with:

DUBB--soothsayer
SNDVLS--cleared by me
PATH--on the throne
LATHUM--claims to be scanned by seer

As the game goes on we can build to it. And feel free to add yourselves if you know you are clean.

Whether you believe me or not, I don't have past games to go on. I'm sorry but I'm not reading 50+ page threads I'm not involved in in the least.

There's no way to verify your claim. Thank you for voting for me, it makes me that much more suspicious of you.

So you think the trust list starts with you because you say so? Saying your the soothsayer doesn't make it so.

Abe Sargent

06-21-2006, 07:57 PM

I swear, I should do a werewolf game where one side is Dick Darlington and the other is Giselle, the French Bitch.

That way, people will post, "I am Giselle, I am a french bitch."

A gold star if you get that reference.

-Anxiety

dubb93

06-21-2006, 07:57 PM

Is this where we have another round of "I'm an Egyptian" posts?

-Anxiety

No, it was meant to make people quit being thick-headed. It seems every game I play we get in position to win and then someone won't buy something b/c it is too easy and then goes on a long drawn out rant and ends up voting for the seer.

saldana

06-21-2006, 07:58 PM

not to be a broken record, but anyone got a count ( it is a bit important to me :))

dubb93

06-21-2006, 07:59 PM

not to be a broken record, but anyone got a count ( it is a bit important to me :))

I think you are safe.

hoopsguy

06-21-2006, 07:59 PM

Votes as of Post #1261:

Barkeep - Pass (1053)
Tanglewood - Blade (1066)
Saldana - King (1070), Coffee (1112), Bullet (1238)
Chubby - Lathum (1101), Saldana (1207), Dubb (1256)
Bek - Chubby (1106), Anxiety (1116), Vince (1203), Schmidty (1204), SnDvls (1222), Barkeep (1248)
Bulletsponge - Path (1133), Tyrith (1141), Alan T (1181), Qwikshot (1225)

Not Voted - Bek, Tangle

Chubby

06-21-2006, 07:59 PM

Is this where we have another round of "I'm an Egyptian" posts?

-Anxiety

Nope, according to dubb he can't verify anything for another couple of days which is awfully convienent.

Dubb - I questioned you when you came out and represented the soothsayer and I'll question you now. I'll sure as hell question you tomorrow as well goddess willing.

dubb93

06-21-2006, 08:00 PM

So you think the trust list starts with you because you say so? Saying your the soothsayer doesn't make it so.

Then who is the soothsayer and why would they let me claim their role? They have had 3 days to use their power and report to the group? Who is it?

Chubby

06-21-2006, 08:01 PM

No, it was meant to make people quit being thick-headed. It seems every game I play we get in position to win and then someone won't buy something b/c it is too easy and then goes on a long drawn out rant and ends up voting for the seer.

Why did you use one of only two chances to test a statement on SnDvls? If you're answered this question specifically before, please post a post #.

dubb93

06-21-2006, 08:02 PM

Nope, according to dubb he can't verify anything for another couple of days which is awfully convienent.

Read the freakin rules if you don't believe me man. My role is right there for public consumption.

- Soothsayer: this person can review two statements as true/false over the course of the game. May only be used once every three days. GM note - I will be a stickler on what is legitimate use of this power. There is no reason for everyone to CYA with "I am not a necromancer" at the start of the game to avoid detection by Soothsayer.

Before you debate my role with me, how about you atleast read everything about it that has been made public.

Chubby

06-21-2006, 08:02 PM

Then who is the soothsayer and why would they let me claim their role? They have had 3 days to use their power and report to the group? Who is it?

How should i know? I do know: I'm not the soothsayer, you have no way of proving you are the soothsayer, you seem intent on trying to make it canon that you are the soothsayer. That sure as heck is going to make me suspicious.

Oh yeah, you used a chance on SnDvls, add that one in there too.

dubb93

06-21-2006, 08:03 PM

Why did you use one of only two chances to test a statement on SnDvls? If you're answered this question specifically before, please post a post #.

I did answer it, but I don't know the post number. At the time it was about 2 hours to lynch. SNDVLS was the leading vote getter and I was about to cast a vote for him.

Chubby

06-21-2006, 08:03 PM

I did answer it, but I don't know the post number. At the time it was about 2 hours to lynch. SNDVLS was the leading vote getter and I was about to cast a vote for him.

I don't want to misquote you, please, point it out to me/us.

dubb93

06-21-2006, 08:04 PM

Oh yeah, you used a chance on SnDvls, add that one in there too.

Again you aren't reading. At the time he was THE LEADING VOTE GETTER AND I WAS ABOUT TO CAST A VOTE FOR HIM THAT WOULD HAVE PROBABLY DAMNED HIM TO THE GALLOWS

dubb93

06-21-2006, 08:07 PM

Since we are both egyptians you are more than worth clearing[as would be any innocent that was headed for the gallows]

post 1018

As far as so early? Because I have to wait 3 days between uses. Thus if I would have waited any longer it could have gotten to the point where I only got one use in. Also, I felt it was best to test my best suspect on a day 2 that seemed like a day one. I was half tempted to wait to day 3 to use it, but figured there would be much more information out there than on day 2.

post 1000

Chubby

06-21-2006, 08:07 PM

Read the freakin rules if you don't believe me man. My role is right there for public consumption.

Before you debate my role with me, how about you atleast read everything about it that has been made public.

What part am I wrong about? You claim to have used it yesterday, 3 days from then (depending on how hoops defines days if the current day counts) is a couple days from now.

You're awfully defensive dubb. Please post the post number.

What made you decide to use it on SnDvls? Something must have triggered you to say "Hey I should check him"... Why? Even I wouldn't be checking one of his statements, I'd be at least looking at the people listed as "strong" players early in the thread if I was soothsayer.

dubb93

06-21-2006, 08:08 PM

Hell, there may be more from yesterday, but I'm not going back through the damn thread to find anymore of MY posts. If you want to make yourself look any less informed, please continue to ask questions.

Barkeep49

06-21-2006, 08:10 PM

Chubby: I think in retrospect dubb's play is fine. I really think you're barking up the wrong tree here.

dubb93

06-21-2006, 08:11 PM

What part am I wrong about? You claim to have used it yesterday, 3 days from then (depending on how hoops defines days if the current day counts) is a couple days from now.

Then don't say it like you don't believe it. Say it, he can't prove it for a couple of days, not it pretty damn convienent he can't use it for a couple of days.

You're awfully defensive dubb. Please post the post number.

No clue what this is about. What are you talking about?

What made you decide to use it on SnDvls? Something must have triggered you to say "Hey I should check him"... Why? Even I wouldn't be checking one of his statements, I'd be at least looking at the people listed as "strong" players early in the thread if I was soothsayer.

B/C if I hadn't we would have most likely lynched him b/c I was going to vote for him[AND HE WAS THE LEADING VOTE GETTER AT THE TIME], or do you still not get this. My role isn't I'll clear who Chubby feels is a strong player role. It is for me to test whoever the hell I damn please to test two times a game.

dubb93

06-21-2006, 08:15 PM

I don't want to misquote you, please, point it out to me/us.

no, well I don't want to misquote you either.....

I'm a necromancer.

Chubby

06-21-2006, 08:15 PM

:rolleyes: , give me more credit than that. If I was a nec I wouldn't use my role on day 2 to clear SNDVLS.:rolleyes:

Yet as an "egyptian" you used it on day 2 to clear SnDvls.

Barkeep - if you think I am then I'll back off. I think I've made my point clear that I didn't trust him yesterday and I don't trust him today.

Chubby

06-21-2006, 08:16 PM

dubb - who did you vote for? Oh yeah, the explorer... good call on that one.

So you're reduced to yelling and trying to frame me now? you get more defensive by the post.

Barkeep49

06-21-2006, 08:19 PM

SnDvls

06-21-2006, 08:19 PM

SnDvls - Now to you, feel free to let us know who you trust and why.

well it makes sense for me to trust Dubb, since he cleared me. I've got a good feel on him.

I like Barkeep as good

I'd say Path is up there too for obvious reasons

and funny enough saldana. I think he played a wrong hunch and tried to jump on something that wasn't there.

they are a few off the top of my head.

tanglewood

06-21-2006, 08:20 PM

Chubby, either you are completely missing something, or you are deliberatley being obtuse. Dubb has played it fairly solid as far as I can tell so far.

dubb93

06-21-2006, 08:25 PM

Yet as an "egyptian" you used it on day 2 to clear SnDvls.

I don't know what you are getting at. Are you insulting SNDVLS? He has been in MUCH more games than you and has won MANY more games than you. You don't have to dig far back, look at both the HP game and the Insane Aslyum game. He was on the winning side of BOTH of those games. So it isn't like SNDVLS is a horrible player. I don't understand how it would have made more sense to vote for SNDVLS and put him up 2 votes close to the deadline and instead test someone I didn't suspect at that point. So if you are going to insult SNDVLS please just log off or something. He's a VERY solid player with many winning efforts.

SnDvls

06-21-2006, 08:25 PM

should add lathum for now as a good guy for now until we get something more on him.

Chubby

06-21-2006, 08:25 PM

Chubby: Honestly, the odds are in favor of dubb being an egyptian. He's frustrated because he feels that he was forced to reveal against his will. Did he flip flop? Yes. But it seems to have been with the best of intentions. Just as it seems to make defacto sense to leave Lathum and path alone for the time being, as there are better targets, it also makes sense, I feel, to leave dubb alone.

Ok, as I've said I trust you and Coffee so I'll back off. There isn't a lot to look at right now so I'm trying to find something that makes a player stand out (for good or evil) so I can trust them or be wary of them.

tangle - well, I didn't see Dubb as soothsayer prior to his "outing" so I can't say for sure I'm not missing something now.

dubb93

06-21-2006, 08:26 PM

And I'm sure if the seer came out right now we would all be like "I knew he was the seer before he revealed." It is called keeping your role close to yourself so you don't get killed before you can use it.

Chubby

06-21-2006, 08:27 PM

I don't know what you are getting at. Are you insulting SNDVLS? He has been in MUCH more games than you and has won MANY more games than you. You don't have to dig far back, look at both the HP game and the Insane Aslyum game. He was on the winning side of BOTH of those games. So it isn't like SNDVLS is a horrible player. I don't understand how it would have made more sense to vote for SNDVLS and put him up 2 votes close to the deadline and instead test someone I didn't suspect at that point. So if you are going to insult SNDVLS please just log off or something. He's a VERY solid player with many winning efforts.

You used it as an insult, not me. I quoted your exact wording and I believe even SnDvls took it as a bit of an insult at the time. I'm playing based on people's actions this game, not previous ones I haven't read. I know this probably differs from most other's in this game but that's the way I'm playing it.

dubb93

06-21-2006, 08:28 PM

You used it as an insult, not me. I quoted your exact wording and I believe even SnDvls took it as a bit of an insult at the time.

He took it out of context. This role has been "faked" by myself I might add, to WIN a game. If I was going to fake it again, I wouldn't use it to clear someone on day 2. I would use it to try and win the game again.

SnDvls

06-21-2006, 08:29 PM

I don't take offense to anything chubby is saying about my playing skills in WW. It's his opinion, like they say about a**holes and opinions, everyone has one (not saying Chubby is an a** either it's just a saying).

Chubby - I've been a bad guy in I'd say 80-90% of the games I've played. Is it chance, dumb luck, or do the GMs see something in me? most say it's random assigning. I think you are barking up the wrong tree and ruffling the wrong feathers here. I know when I was a bad guy in past games this was the best time. Sit back, relax and watch all the infighting, put out a meaningless vote and say little or nothing, but enought to get away with it too.

SnDvls

06-21-2006, 08:31 PM

dubb - who did you vote for? Oh yeah, the explorer... good call on that one.

this can be said for a lot of people if I'm not mistaken including another whom I slightly trust and led the charge against him. It was day 2 and we had the silence thing working against us. not much to go on either.

SnDvls

06-21-2006, 08:33 PM

He took it out of context. This role has been "faked" by myself I might add, to WIN a game. If I was going to fake it again, I wouldn't use it to clear someone on day 2. I would use it to try and win the game again.

I did a little, but if you notice I also knew if was in fun too...look at my response I did add a :) and a :D

again no offense taken here.

let's all get together and get us a necro now and drop this okay

SnDvls

06-21-2006, 08:34 PM

Is there anyone voting Bek for reasons besides inactivity?

pretty much my only reason and I have no one better. if he started to post today I'd still not have a read on him and probally vote him tomorrow unless we get some solid info tonight anyhow.

dubb93

06-21-2006, 08:35 PM

let's all get together and get us a necro now and drop this okay

Drop what? It's all a game, and I think I've established my character for this game already.;)

SnDvls

06-21-2006, 08:35 PM

30 mins to lynch if I'm correct

dubb93

06-21-2006, 08:36 PM

30 mins to lynch if I'm correct

And here I thought it was lynch 30 minutes ago. These damn timezones.

SnDvls

06-21-2006, 08:37 PM

And here I thought it was lynch 30 minutes ago. These damn timezones.

oh I could be wrong it was more a question

SnDvls

06-21-2006, 08:38 PM

dola
just without the question mark

I better add those or it might get me in trouble again ;)

dubb93

06-21-2006, 08:38 PM

oh I could be wrong it was more a question

No I think you are right. My clock says 9:38, so it must be 8:38CST.

SnDvls

06-21-2006, 08:40 PM

OOC : be back just after lynch, I'm going to give my daughter a bath.

saldana

06-21-2006, 08:41 PM

dubb - who did you vote for? Oh yeah, the explorer... good call on that one.

So you're reduced to yelling and trying to frame me now? you get more defensive by the post.

dude, seriously, you need to read a little more thoroughly...the rules clearly state that the soothsayer can scan someone's post twice a game, but has to wait 3 days in between. go back to sndvls posts yesterday afternoon, and in one of them he makes a statement to the effect of "lynching me would be a mistake for the egyptians"....5 minutes later, dubb posted that he is 100% sure sndvls is clear....it is pretty blatantly obvious at this point (to me, and i am sure some others) that dubb just scanned sndvls statement and was told he was not being deceptive.

the reason dubb made the comment about wasting a scan on SNDVLS (please not the roll-eyes guys on both ends of it) were because dubb and sun have gone head to head many time and are always very wary of each other....once you play in enough of these, you'll have a list of your own that you never ever trust.....i vote for dubb every day one for that very reason.

i'm not saying "dubb is the soothsayer" should be made canon at this point, but we have no reason not to believe him, and all the reasons have been pretty well spelled out....the fact that you seem to not understand them after he has explained them several times is what is causing his frustration, not the fact that you questioned them to begin with.

hoopsguy

06-21-2006, 08:42 PM

And I've been called away from my computer just before deadline. Argh. My apologies, but I won't be here to post the results for a little while. Probably about 90 minutes late.

The deadline remains 9PM CST.

Chubby

06-21-2006, 08:43 PM

saldana - it's dropped for the night (errr day or whatever)

tanglewood

06-21-2006, 08:43 PM

Okay, I don't really want to vote for Bek soley down to inactivity (but may have to at somepoint down the road if it continues, we'll see), so the only other realistic option is Bullet. The vote for path was very silly, I'm not sure if it's comdemnation silly, but it's all I have to go on at this point beyond 'feelings'.

[vote]bulletsponge[/b]

tanglewood

06-21-2006, 08:43 PM

dola

whoops

vote bulletsponge

Schmidty

06-21-2006, 08:44 PM

You're awfully defensive dubb. Please post the post number.

FYI, regardless of if he's good or bad, dubb is the only person more defensive than me or Blade.

Barkeep49

06-21-2006, 08:44 PM

You and Blade belong in a category all your own schmidty :)

Abe Sargent

06-21-2006, 08:45 PM

Dubb, seriously, you need to rethink the huge font thing. That's annoying.

-Anxiety

saldana

06-21-2006, 08:46 PM

we need to be aware that if bek shows up at this point and votes for BS, we have a tie...someone may need to move to either him or BS to break it. (please dont make me :()

hoopsguy

06-21-2006, 08:47 PM

Updated again - Barkeep will call me with the results and post the role of the damned. Everything should be on schedule.

Note - I haven't selected Barkeep because of anything related to his role (or lack thereof) in this game, but because he has my contact information and I generally believe he is accepted as a fair guy in WW circles.

Alan T

06-21-2006, 08:47 PM

With 14 min to go, I have this as the vote currently: Bek 6, Bullet 5 with Bek's vote not in yet.

Barkeep - Pass (1053)
Tanglewood - Blade (1066)
Saldana - King (1070), Coffee (1112), Bullet (1238)
Chubby - Lathum (1101), Saldana (1207), Dubb (1256)
Bek - Chubby (1106), Anxiety (1116), Vince (1203), Schmidty (1204), SnDvls (1222), Barkeep (1248)
Bulletsponge - Path (1133), Tyrith (1141), Alan T (1181), Qwikshot (1225), Tanglewood (1304)

Not Voted - Bek

Barkeep49

06-21-2006, 08:48 PM

Yug. Suppose I best double check that count. I didn't realize it was so close.

dubb93

06-21-2006, 08:49 PM

Dubb, seriously, you need to rethink the huge font thing. That's annoying.

-Anxiety

I was under the impression that my posts where I said the exact same thing that I said in the huge fonts but in normal size were coming out like ahotihaish tiohtkshjfak hfkslahfs kjfkosdfk lashlfjasl

So I had to take matters into my own hands.

saldana

06-21-2006, 08:50 PM

Note - I haven't selected Barkeep because of anything related to his role (or lack thereof) in this game, but because he has my contact information and I generally believe he is accepted as a fair guy in WW circles.

yeah, well i think he SUCKS:p

Alan T

06-21-2006, 08:50 PM

lol.. thats how my daughter types.

dubb93

06-21-2006, 08:51 PM

FYI, regardless of if he's good or bad, dubb is the only person more defensive than me or Blade.

:D , that means alot coming from you Schmidty. Where may I accept my reward?

saldana

06-21-2006, 08:51 PM

I was under the impression that my posts where I said the exact same thing that I said in the huge fonts but in normal size were coming out like

So I had to take matters into my own hands.

HE'S SPEAKING IN TOUNGES!!!!! HE MUST BE A NECROMANCER!!!! lol:D

bulletsponge

06-21-2006, 08:52 PM

less than 10 min till we hang someone. who hasnt voted besides Bek?

Barkeep49

06-21-2006, 08:52 PM

yeah, well i think he SUCKS:p
"Hey hoops it's BK"

"Hey BK. So who got lynched?"

"Well you wouldnt' believe it. In the last second it was saldana."

"No way!"

"Yeah. Ended up being 19-1 too. People just couldn't resist voting for the guy."

saldana

06-21-2006, 08:52 PM

less than 10 min till we hang someone. who hasnt voted besides Bek?

just him

dubb93

06-21-2006, 08:53 PM

Just Bek, you better start convincing someone to switch their vote from Bek to you.

Abe Sargent

06-21-2006, 08:53 PM

I blame this all on you Dubb, now everybody thinks they're a comedian.

-Anxiety

dubb93

06-21-2006, 08:54 PM

Just Bek, you better start convincing someone to switch their vote from Bek to you.

Or you to Bek, or whatever. Although it would be funnier if you did what I said in my first post.

bulletsponge

06-21-2006, 08:55 PM

The vote for path was very silly, I'm not sure if it's comdemnation silly, but it's all I have to go on at this point beyond 'feelings'.

[vote]bulletsponge[/b]

awww you have feelings for me *hug*

you got me a present too *unwraps box*, ooohh a nice necktie... why is it attached to a tree?

saldana

06-21-2006, 08:56 PM

"Hey hoops it's BK"

"Hey BK. So who got lynched?"

"Well you wouldnt' believe it. In the last second it was saldana."

"No way!"

"Yeah. Ended up being 19-1 too. People just couldn't resist voting for the guy."

lmao!!

bulletsponge

06-21-2006, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by dubb93
Just Bek, you better start convincing someone to switch their vote from Bek to you.

Or you to Bek, or whatever. Although it would be funnier if you did what I said in my first post

no, begging for mercy is a weasly necro thing to do. id rather hang

tanglewood

06-21-2006, 08:58 PM

Alan T

06-21-2006, 08:58 PM

Or you to Bek, or whatever. Although it would be funnier if you did what I said in my first post.

Thats close to what Bek did yesterday or the day before isnt it? :)

tanglewood

06-21-2006, 08:59 PM

awww you have feelings for me *hug*

you got me a present too *unwraps box*, ooohh a nice necktie... why is it attached to a tree?

I can't quit you.

But I can sure hang you!

Barkeep49

06-21-2006, 09:00 PM

Timecheck.

saldana

06-21-2006, 09:00 PM

deadline according to the board clock

Barkeep49

06-21-2006, 09:00 PM

Ok I'm calling hoops with the following:

Barkeep - Pass (1053)
Tanglewood - Blade (1066)
Saldana - King (1070), Coffee (1112), Bullet (1238)
Chubby - Lathum (1101), Saldana (1207), Dubb (1256)
Bek - Chubby (1106), Anxiety (1116), Vince (1203), Schmidty (1204), SnDvls (1222), Barkeep (1248)
Bulletsponge - Path (1133), Tyrith (1141), Alan T (1181), Qwikshot (1225), tangle(1304)

Alan T

06-21-2006, 09:01 PM

guess good or bad, I won't feel too bad seeing Bek voted off. He really has not contibuted anything this game at all.

bulletsponge

06-21-2006, 09:02 PM

But I can sure hang you!

next night maybe.

*note to self; dont vote to hang someone everyone believes is an egyptian*

Barkeep49

06-21-2006, 09:03 PM

I know the results...

Typing up a little flavor now... 2 minutes until reveal.

Alan T

06-21-2006, 09:04 PM

I hope it has the Scooby Doo ending

Abe Sargent

06-21-2006, 09:04 PM

next night maybe.

*note to self; dont vote to hang someone everyone suspects is an egyptian*

Fixed!

-Anxiety

saldana

06-21-2006, 09:05 PM

mmmmmmmm......results with chocolate sauce

Barkeep49

06-21-2006, 09:09 PM

(I will gladly edit this later to have whatever flavor hoops desires, as this flavor text is inspired by, but not from, hoops)

After a day of anger finally the group comes together around a silent player. Bek is brought before the statue and with an equanimity that seems almost otherworldly awaits his fate. Just as his throat is about to be slit he murmurs softly "I do not fear your death." The storm clouds which had been lurking overhead seem to lighten when the first drop of blood hits the ground.

A search of Bek's house reveals books of instruction and numerous artifacts that no right thinking Egyptian would have.

It is now Night 3. All PMs due to hoops no later than 7 AM Central Standard Time.

Chubby

06-21-2006, 09:10 PM

booyah

Barkeep49

06-21-2006, 09:10 PM

Moral of the story: Sometimes even with legitimate real life excuses a player can be bad.

Abe Sargent

06-21-2006, 09:11 PM

Maybe he was trying a UTR strategy today?

-Anxiety

Alan T

06-21-2006, 09:12 PM

Well normally at this point I would be looking over who voted for Bek and who he voted for... with the way this game is set up, I guess thats all pretty much out the window. Guess we can look who voted for him the past few days, but I figure that doesnt carry much weight.

Barkeep49

06-21-2006, 09:12 PM

Maybe he was trying a UTR strategy today?

-Anxiety
Well as I said to hoops if Bek had bothered to show up and vote, dubbs seems to have indicated he'd have broken the tie in Bek's favor. Regardless a tie might also have made someone else flinch and change their vote.

Alan T

06-21-2006, 09:13 PM

Maybe he was trying a UTR strategy today?

-Anxiety

This wasn't the UTR strategy. This was the Im not going to show up strategy.

Subtle difference!

bulletsponge

06-21-2006, 09:14 PM

how do you know beks was a necro? did hoops pm you?

saldana

06-21-2006, 09:14 PM

sweet, that may be the luckiest lynch of a bad guy ever.....of course it also makes me look like utter shit, since i pushed the vote off him yesterday, and voted for chubby instead of him today.

Alan T

06-21-2006, 09:15 PM

sweet, that may be the luckiest lynch of a bad guy ever.....of course it also makes me look like utter shit, since i pushed the vote off him yesterday, and voted for chubby instead of him today.

no, just like I said above.. I would have to guess the majority if not all of the other bad guys would have had little clue Bek was one of them. I doubt Bek would be one of the people they searched due to this lack of involvement.

I think the only thing against you right now is the role you played in Cronin's death and the fact we still know something foul was involved in that vote. I personally wouldn't hold much anything against anyone for the Bek votes the past few days.

Barkeep49

06-21-2006, 09:15 PM

how do you know beks was a necro? did hoops pm you?
No I got his cell number and called him.

bulletsponge

06-21-2006, 09:16 PM

saldana

06-21-2006, 09:16 PM

how do you know beks was a necro? did hoops pm you?
reread the result...he didnt fear death...he knows he can be reanimated...and his items were those that no right thinking egyptian would possess...add the clouds overhead lightened and it translates to a bad guy died.....it is very rare that the DM says "YOU KILLED A BAD GUY'.. there is always some interpretation needed

Schmidty

06-21-2006, 09:17 PM

Hell yeah!

saldana

06-21-2006, 09:19 PM

FWIW, Chubby's increased ranting on the previous page almost got me to vote for him, but I don't think a necro would go off on such an obvious dirge against a fairly trusted player so close to the deadline. That said he is a first time player so... but anyway, consider youself under probation Chubby. :)

tangle, i have been thinking about this since you posted it....again, i dont expect anyone to say i am clear at this point in the game, but Chubby started the day pushing on me a bit, but several people, including myself, said my move yesterday was too brazen to be that of a wolf.

could it be that he seized upon the fact that to this point, i have gotten the benefit of the doubt and is trying to use the exact same thing to his advantage?

saldana

06-21-2006, 09:20 PM

reread the result...he didnt fear death...he knows he can be reanimated...and his items were those that no right thinking egyptian would possess...add the clouds overhead lightened and it translates to a bad guy died.....it is very rare that the DM says "YOU KILLED A BAD GUY'.. there is always some interpretation needed
never mind...misunderstood the question

Abe Sargent

06-21-2006, 09:21 PM

Sometimes it IS obvious - like the Thing. Oh look, the guy turned into a morphing alien monster thing and is attacking before you manage to kill it!

-Anxiety

SnDvls

06-21-2006, 09:22 PM

Hell yeah!

"

SnDvls

06-21-2006, 09:23 PM

night actions will be interesting, I'd bet we see a death tonight for sure now with bek gone. It puts the pressure on. I also wouldn't be suprised if it was me or dubb too.

dubb93

06-21-2006, 09:24 PM

Atleast we got one of them finally. I assume we can read nothing into his actual role from the description Barkeep gave other than he is bad?

Now whats the odds on my death coming smoothly and efficiently tonight?

Chubby

06-21-2006, 09:48 PM

tangle, i have been thinking about this since you posted it....again, i dont expect anyone to say i am clear at this point in the game, but Chubby started the day pushing on me a bit, but several people, including myself, said my move yesterday was too brazen to be that of a wolf.

could it be that he seized upon the fact that to this point, i have gotten the benefit of the doubt and is trying to use the exact same thing to his advantage?

While I appreciate the credit your willing to give me, you're a little off base with me if you think this.

/self analysis If you've seen me in a religious or political thread you'd know i can be a little, ummm, stubborn to let go of a point i believe to be right. I've been suspicious of dubb and I will continue to do so, I don't know if he took offense to me not including him on my list of people I trust or what.

Obviously there's a couple of people that I'm looking at tomorrow pending any new info popping up. I work tomorrow 6:30am - 2pm EST (weather permitting) and I pick up my girlfriend at 4:30ish as she's coming out to spend the night so I won't be on as much as I have these last two days when I've been off work. It'll be a change since I'll be able to think about people's actions and reactions while at work. This is one time I miss my old job where I had a computer in my office tho...

Coffee Warlord

06-21-2006, 10:15 PM

And I'm back.

All I gotta say is....WHOO!

Coffee Warlord

06-21-2006, 10:17 PM

Of course, now we ask...

Did Bek know any of his fellow scum?

Coffee Warlord

06-21-2006, 10:23 PM

Hmmm.

Reading the last couple pages....Chubby Chubby Chubby....how I do not trust thee.

saldana

06-21-2006, 10:27 PM

Hmmm.

Reading the last couple pages....Chubby Chubby Chubby....how I do not trust thee.

welcome to the club

as far as bek knowing the other necrophiliacs...highly doubtful IMO, considering he only posted about 5 times all game.

Coffee Warlord

06-21-2006, 10:29 PM

welcome to the club

as far as bek knowing the other necrophiliacs...highly doubtful IMO, considering he only posted about 5 times all game.

Still, that doesn't mean he didn't pull off a successful scan of someone sometime. But a moot point with his lack of participation. Hard to read into all of nothing.

Coffee Warlord

06-21-2006, 10:30 PM

So, for all of you paying attention right now, including the Chubster.

Is there a good reason why I SHOULDN"T suspect him heavily right now?

Chubby

06-21-2006, 10:32 PM

So, for all of you paying attention right now, including the Chubster.

Is there a good reason why I SHOULDN"T suspect him heavily right now?

As I said before, I went off on one of my "this is what I think and I'm not dropping it rampages". I apologize for that but I still don't trust dubb and that's not changing right now.

SnDvls

06-21-2006, 10:33 PM

So, for all of you paying attention right now, including the Chubster.

Is there a good reason why I SHOULDN"T suspect him heavily right now?

I'd look at him except I think he was just very overzealous, plus I feel there are bigger fish to fry out there for us to get.

Coffee Warlord

06-21-2006, 10:34 PM

I'd look at him except I think he was just very overzealous, plus I feel there are bigger fish to fry out there for us to get.

Such as?

Alan T

06-21-2006, 10:34 PM

main reasons I can think of is that he is new, he does not know other people's play styles and they do not know his. Several of the people in these games are often confrontational, overly defensive and get heated up.

My first WW game I ended up having the seer all over my case as a good guy just because I was questioning his logic and was being overly talkative as a new person :) Its just how I always play I suppose but people didnt know that at the time.

Coffee Warlord

06-21-2006, 10:35 PM

What gets me is the fact that he was going after dubb....with mostly utterly incorrect interpretation of the rules.

Now, I've done that before myself, but not to that extent.

Abe Sargent

06-21-2006, 10:37 PM

st.cronin

06-21-2006, 10:41 PM

hell fuckin' yeah
go team! kick ass!

Abe Sargent

06-21-2006, 11:02 PM

Alright - that's it. Enough cheering. Every single game, its you and cheering.

Vote st. cronin

-Anxiety

P.S. - ;)

hoopsguy

06-21-2006, 11:14 PM

Back and sorry for the delays. Post #1 updated.

Alan T

06-21-2006, 11:15 PM

Passacaglia

06-21-2006, 11:18 PM

Nice job, boys! I'll catch up tomorrow morning.

Tyrith

06-21-2006, 11:18 PM

I'd just like to note for Barkeep's sake that when I read the spawn game it seemed really interesting and engrossing and I'm excited that it's coming back :)

We got lucky on this one, and like everyone else has said, I don't think we can take a lot away from it because we were mainly trying to kill him for not talking. However, the later stages of the day seemed to yield some interesting discussion that we might be able to use.

dubb93

06-21-2006, 11:22 PM

If I happen to die tonight, I want my last words to be.........wait a minute, I know exactly who is a necromancer, it's..................

saldana

06-22-2006, 12:59 AM

Initiate powers:
1.) Search for fellow necromancers
2.) Craft a cursed scarab. Available on 3rd day, can be used once every 4 days, uses cannot be 'stockpiled. Cannot use their own scarab initially, but can use it in the event it is passed back to them.

this post makes a lot more sense if you put this along with it
16. Bek - Necromancer Initiate, lynched Day 3

this is excellent for us, as with the initiate dead, anyone that has a scarab passed to them knows it isnt a cursed one, since bek didnt live long enough to make one

Abe Sargent

06-22-2006, 01:03 AM

this post makes a lot more sense if you put this along with it

this is excellent for us, as with the initiate dead, anyone that has a scarab passed to them knows it isnt a cursed one, since bek didnt live long enough to make one

Not true. There could be more than one initiate. I doubt Bek is "the" initiate, instead being "an" initiate.

-Anxiety

Vince

06-22-2006, 01:04 AM

Good work guys! I'd feel better about this, except for I really wasn't aware that Bek was a bad guy. I was more voting for him because he was inactive.

So the real Chubby has finally stood up -- I was wondering how long until he got into "argument mode." Though he could very well be parlaying it into a strategy in the game, the day's actions are not really all that surprising to me, having seen Chubby in arguments in other places before. Please don't take this the wrong way, Chubby or anyone...I just find Chubby to be quite...argumentative...normally. To be honest, I'm surprised it took so long. I can't wait to see the fireworks if it gets down to lynch time and his neck's on the block :)

And I think in all seriousness, the luckiest lynch ever was Blackadar, in the one game that he did play in. He was lynched on day one for something ridiculous like saying 'Woof,' and he turned out to be a werewolf.

There are some people who have been active in the thread, but have added little to nothing at all in terms of content (at least, I don't think they have...I might very well have missed it somewhere along the line), and I'd like to see them talk a bit. Anxiety, Schmidty, Tanglewood, kingfc22 and Qwikshot -- I'm calling you guys out. I just want to know what's your thought process so far -- you guys have all been quiet for one reason or another, and like I've mentioned before, I think that the more information there is out there, the better for the Egyptians. I'm not necessarily saying I think you're all bad or anything...just that I don't have much of a read on you guys, and I'd like to hear your thoughts.

Just for my own purposes, here are how I perceive everyone's activity so far in the thread:

Crazy Active:
Barkeep (215)

Very Active:
dubb93 (77)
Chubby (79)
SnDvls (87)
Alan T (99)
saldana (98)

Somewhat Active:
Tyrith (59)
Passacaglia (48)
path (36)
bulletsponge (47)
Blade (83)
Vince (56)
Coffee Warlord (55)
Lathum (23)

Not Very Active:
Anxiety (58)
Schmidty (24)
Tanglewood (20)
Qwikshot (21)
kingfc22 (27)

The number in parenthesis is their actual post count in the thread, which I looked up AFTER I grouped them. Seems like I missed on Anxiety and Lathum, and that Blade has been a bit more active than I thought. I guess this would be better labeled as "content participation;" I don't remember Anxiety posting much about strategy or thoughts, so that's why I put him on the "Not Very Active" list. That being said, I'd still like to hear from everyone on the "Not Very Active" list, and I guess from Lathum too -- though I didn't realize that he was so quiet thus far.

Abe Sargent

06-22-2006, 01:16 AM

I challenge anyone who doesn't think I've been doing things to reread my posts. Just today alone you'll find me doing things like reminding people that just because we killed an intiate does not mean we killed all of the initiates and we shouldn't assume that we did, that tangle's strategy to push for a tie is a poor one, and so forth. I was also the first to really push for cronin after saldana. You'll see saldana argues with cronin for a while, then only after I jump in does everybody start moving. Sure, it bombed, but I am involved and affecting things. Just because I'm not a post whore doesn't mean m not doing stuff :)

-Anxiety

Abe Sargent

06-22-2006, 01:17 AM

Oh, and I was the one to ask about the whole EG thing and clarified that rule which others noticed as well. Remember, in the first few days, we are feeling people out, discussing rules, and so forth. I think I've been useful at discussing rules, roles and more while also keeping some of the players from venturing too far.

-Anxiety

kingfc22

06-22-2006, 01:23 AM

Just got home from work and am trying to catch up. I will be home tomorrow for the deadline which I am very happy about. I hate having to vote so early in the day.

kingfc22

06-22-2006, 01:55 AM

Sweet. Nothing like wiping out a bad guy before they get one of us.

Still not sure why Chubby went after Dubb like that. He is towards the top of my trust list with his role reveal today.

Blade6119

06-22-2006, 01:59 AM

Guys, someone knew him. The move to cronin came from people on Bek. I think its clear now it was more to save bek then kill cronin. Anyone disagree?

Tyrith

06-22-2006, 02:05 AM

Anxiety's presents a strange case. For most players acting different is a sign of being a wolf, but Anxiety has been given roles such that most of what we've seen out of him has been him playing a bad guy. It's possible that there is a weird reverse case going on now; because he's a good guy he is acting different to what we're used to. That, or because he kept getting killed :P

Tyrith

06-22-2006, 02:06 AM

Guys, someone knew him. The move to cronin came from people on Bek. I think its clear now it was more to save bek then kill cronin. Anyone disagree?

It's theoretically possible. It depends on who Bek search for necroed the first night. Time to dig up the vote record for Day Two.

Blade6119

06-22-2006, 02:07 AM

It's theoretically possible. It depends on who Bek search for necroed the first night. Time to dig up the vote record for Day Two.
No, who searched him too...either way and they would know

Blade6119

06-22-2006, 02:10 AM

Cronin - Saldana (618), Schmidty (659), Anxiety (731), Dubb (742), bullet (750), Barkeep (751), Alan T (756), Vince (767), Tanglewood (769)
I can all but gurantee we have a necro in there. Its a big list, but i think we had 1-2 on there.

Tyrith

06-22-2006, 02:27 AM

No, who searched him too...either way and they would know

Yes, but what are the odds of that when bek was a good shot to be dead anyway and near the bottom of the list in terms of likely searches indepdent of that? Not that it really matters; the fact that he didn't say anything means we don't have any clues to possibly figure out who he might have searched. However, necro searching logic probably started with the more "respected" and experienced players and worked down instead of just being a series of random patterns.

Yes, I also know the argument could be made that they would search bek to see if they should defend him or not. That just seems like throwing good money after bad. Furthermore, one necro alone would have to be in a key position in order to swing the entire vote. The bek to cronin movement involved what is going to amount to half a dozen suspects and most of them had innocent intentions that we aren't going to be able to distinguish from a necro. The silence aspect was more overt and was much more likely to be a sign of actual knowledge.

Tyrith

06-22-2006, 02:47 AM

The players in the drama.

Saldana - Unlikely to be bad because of the overtness of his move. Also warned chubby off of pursuing dubb's reason for clearing sndvls, which wouldn't have been missed if he hadn't done it and is a minor reason why I might trust him.

Schmidty - Vote seemed purely retaliatory and schmidty like. No real reason to suspect more.

Anxiety - Looks like a "vote for who you think is guilty" vote. Couldn't really know that it would swing the entire debate around like it did without some dubb conspiracy that is impossible. Also didn't really try to defend his vote and use it to sway others.

Dubb - Is quite likely clean. If he is a bad guy is it worth it to him to tell us sndvls is clean just to get in with us? In retrospect that is a play that cannot be totally discounted. If he lives that long what happens on day 5 will be telling. But for day two trying to clear sndvls and then radically swing the vote is incredibly ballsy. On the off chance this happened it's probably the best series of plays I've seen in my WW career.

Bullet - This is where the experience/inexperience factor kinda comes into play for me. From a player with some more game knowledge I could see the dogpile onto a buddy, then switch onto a fortunate train move, but it seems really inconsistent with the way he's acted with the rest of his posts. He'd have to either be being coached or he'd have to be slow-rolling a lot more research than we know. Coaching brings up logistical problems -- bek wasn't really around to give that kind of advice, so you have to bring in a third player, and what are the odds of one necro finding another necro who found a third necro on the first night? It's not impossible but it's rather improbable. Slow-rolling is just dangerous, especially seeing that the newbies are getting more focus because of the antics I pulled in 26. If it were anyone else this is the spot that would have all of my senses going off, but I just don't think it's here.

Barkeep - I really don't have a reason to trust him at this point. The role reveal push did seem like a little bit much. But he's smart enough to know that killing quiet people just for being quiet isn't really a winning strategy. There seems to be a weird consensus to trust barkeep that I'm not sure about.

Alan - another "hell, we don't have anything else" vote move. I don't have anything else special on him now, but I didn't last game either, and look how that turned out.

Vince - Moved a placeholder, so he could have been holding out on the bek dogpile and hoping for something else, but seemed like an actual RL concern consistent with day 3. Joining the dogpile is the easy route, especially on a minimal knowledge vote.

Tangle - Just the trail end of the dogpile. Votes have been coming in really late but it doesn't seem out of character for him. No real info here, either.

Qwikshot

06-22-2006, 05:28 AM

You know I had voted for Bek because of the inactivity, and I recall reading a post about how we should give some latitude and then I go and vote Bullet and *poof* Bek is a baddie, so I should have went with my initial gut feeling.

I am beginning to think there may be less baddies then we thought, though that may all change upon the night actions. If Bek did know another, then the link is broken and it's back to 50%. I'm thinking though that it was coincidental about the push on Cronin, but I do think there may be a baddie in that block vote.

Qwikshot

06-22-2006, 05:35 AM

Anxiety, Schmidty, Tanglewood, kingfc22 and Qwikshot -- I'm calling you guys out. I just want to know what's your thought process so far -- you guys have all been quiet for one reason or another.

Just for my own purposes, here are how I perceive everyone's activity so far in the thread:

Crazy Active:
Barkeep (215)

Very Active:
dubb93 (77)
Chubby (79)
SnDvls (87)
Alan T (99)
saldana (98)

Somewhat Active:
Tyrith (59)
Passacaglia (48)
path (36)
bulletsponge (47)
Blade (83)
Vince (56)
Coffee Warlord (55)
Lathum (23)

Not Very Active:
Anxiety (58)
Schmidty (24)
Tanglewood (20)
Qwikshot (21)
kingfc22 (27)

The number in parenthesis is their actual post count in the thread, which I looked up AFTER I grouped them. Seems like I missed on Anxiety and Lathum, and that Blade has been a bit more active than I thought. I guess this would be better labeled as "content participation;" I don't remember Anxiety posting much about strategy or thoughts, so that's why I put him on the "Not Very Active" list. That being said, I'd still like to hear from everyone on the "Not Very Active" list, and I guess from Lathum too -- though I didn't realize that he was so quiet thus far.

While I have been less involved I'm always pretty calm, in fact, anytime I've taken point in games and begun to intiate discussion I get whacked, still I think I have brought some discussion to the table...I don't have any real points. path is good, and our soothslayer, Dubb is good, and if he's good, then Sun is good....that's a good chunk. I'm leaning towards trusting Coffee and Tyrinth, but I'm not sold yet.

Of course, I have nothing to go on that, since all my assumptions in prior games have shown me to have no logical Spock-like genius...I'm going on nothing here.

I do believe that path cannot be evil, and that he is the pharoah (because he got the artifacts from cronin -- if he was bluffing-- the artifacts wouldn't have gone to him)

I do believe there is an EG, but I'm not asking for a reveal.

I do believe there is a seer, and perhaps an evil seer.

Cronin was the explorer. (hindsight 20/20)

Bek was a baddie. (hindsight 20/20)

That's all I got for now...

Vince

06-22-2006, 05:42 AM

Sounds good -- again, I'm not accusing anyone of anything, I just want to hear from the people that I don't remember much from. And it could also be my faulty memory...we're already at almost 1,400 posts.

Alan T

06-22-2006, 07:19 AM

I can all but gurantee we have a necro in there. Its a big list, but i think we had 1-2 on there.

In a group that size I would have to believe you are right about a bad guy being in there. However I still stand by my reasons for the cronin lynch. I don't think it was as simple as saving Bek. If you look back at my time table, it feels alot more like setting Cronin up than anything else.

If I had to guess, I would think Cronin would be a far more likely scan subject than Bek would be by the bad guys. And we already know any bad guy who scanned Cronin would have found that he was out of his house at night. This would mean one of only a few possible roles including some that would be important to kill off. If they were to feel Cronin was the EG they could not have killed him at night easily I dont think so staging a day kill would be a better strategy especially considering his arguing.

I just think looking back at it, that its far more likely they went after Cronin based on what they knew about Cronin than what they knew about Bek. I could be very wrong on that though. But I do agree a group that size had to have a bad guy in it.

Blade6119

06-22-2006, 07:31 AM

Qwikshot, do no edit posts...you know better then that

Alan T

06-22-2006, 07:34 AM

I do believe that path cannot be evil, and that he is the pharoah (because he got the artifacts from cronin -- if he was bluffing-- the artifacts wouldn't have gone to him)

People keep bringing this up that they believe Path is not lying about being the pharoah....

I keep saying this but folks keep not listening! Hoops said Path was the Pharoah to start the game. That much is fact!

Now we can debate on whether or not he is good, most people feel he is good, but others feel there is a chance he could be bad. Thats what is to debate about him.. but hoops already called him the pharoah!

Qwikshot

06-22-2006, 07:35 AM

Qwikshot, do no edit posts...you know better then that

Damn I didn't even recall doing that? Must be because it was like a 6:30 in the morning...

Qwikshot

06-22-2006, 07:37 AM

Qwikshot, do no edit posts...you know better then that

Dude relax, it was for a typo, I did an instant reaction to it...just like if you had typed "do not" instead of "do no"

:rolleyes:

Barkeep49

06-22-2006, 07:41 AM

Dude relax, it was for a typo, I did an instant reaction to it...just like if you had typed "do not" instead of "do no"

:rolleyes:
Yeah I'm ok with a 1 minute leeway for edits, especially at 5:35 in the morning.

hoopsguy

06-22-2006, 07:52 AM

Although the infernal storms have not abated, the weather is not as downright miserable as it was the last two nights. It seems that the Egyptians have fallen into a comfortable night routine while awaiting the start of the next day and the countdown to the sacrifice. On this night, however, a call is sent up from the Pharaoh's quarters! Everyone gathers outside as order is restored. A quick head count reveals that everyone is still here! Praise to Osiris!

Day 4 has begun.

Barkeep49

06-22-2006, 07:54 AM

Yeah to less death!

I eagerly await finding out what this meant. But in the mean time I get to reveal that somebody out there likes me: I now own a scarab.

Passacaglia

06-22-2006, 08:02 AM

Cool! Catching up now. What do you guys make of that call from the Pharoah's quarters? And how did you get the scarab, Barkeep?

Barkeep49

06-22-2006, 08:05 AM

Cool! Catching up now. What do you guys make of that call from the Pharoah's quarters? And how did you get the scarab, Barkeep?
I don't want to get to into it except that it was passed to me.

Imagine your scare though knowing that hoops is working on the results. You refresh the board to see if they're up and you have a PM. You click on your box and see that it is indeed from hoops with the ominous title "Night 3". I thought for sure I was dead at that point. But no it's just the message about the scarab. PHEW!

Blade6119

06-22-2006, 08:15 AM

Yeah I'm ok with a 1 minute leeway for edits, especially at 5:35 in the morning.
Ive done it before and gotten yelled out. I think the rules are well known, no editing of any type. Morning or not. Im not attacking qwik, just reinforcing the rules.

Passacaglia

06-22-2006, 08:17 AM

On the game, still no real outcomes, it was fortuitous that Pass didn't get killed, and in the end getting a ceremonial dagger, I'm betting that hampers further attacks from that assassin.

Since it wasn't successful we know that the baddies are still not a cohesive unit so that's good.

These are two good points. At least, there's one baddie out there that's a likely loner. At this point, if any two know each other, those two have no reason to try a solo kill.

Qwikshot

06-22-2006, 08:21 AM

Ive done it before and gotten yelled out. I think the rules are well known, no editing of any type. Morning or not. Im not attacking qwik, just reinforcing the rules.

You can instruct without yelling...I didn't even realize it till you pointed it out...but I will say this, if I accidently do it again, I'll pull out of the game...It's amazing though, I never could feel invective over the internet till I read your posts...:D

"I'm like a racecar and I'm in the red, and I'm just saying, I might blow." to paraphrase Vincent Vega

-and a side note after watching Resivoir Dogs...does anyone think that Vinnie Vega (Mr. Blonde) and Vincent Vega are supposed to be related? Or maybe even the same character concept? Both die the same way, massive array of bullets to the guts...truly a question to rival how they built the pyramids (see I had a tie-in to the game)...

Blade6119

06-22-2006, 08:24 AM

Qwikshot, do no edit posts...you know better then that
Thats yelling, qwik? Im sorry, but i dont see where i was the ass your making me out to be. Im not trying to start anything, just figure out what i said you took offense to other then saying not to edit your posts

Qwikshot

06-22-2006, 08:26 AM

Thats yelling, qwik? Im sorry, but i dont see where i was the ass your making me out to be. Im not trying to start anything, just figure out what i said you took offense to other then saying not to edit your posts

Only the sphinx knows the answer, and he isn't telling...:D

I've moved on...no beef, and I'm not further returning to it...

to quote Garth, "Game on!"

Qwikshot

06-22-2006, 08:35 AM

Blade6119

06-22-2006, 08:37 AM

Actually, I've realized why it did edit...for some reason my work console doesn't hold the password anymore when I come onto the board...it's causing some of my posts to dump before I can send them...

curious...

for as much as Blade irritates me at times I have this MacReady/Childs thing ("The Thing") trust/distrust...I don't think he's bad, but he's a dick about it :)

Long as he's not the Quaker Oats guy, I'm okay

MacReady: Why don't we just wait here for a little while... see what happens?
WHAT AM I BEING A DICK ABOUT?? You keep bringing it up, and i dont see anything i said that was bad...i thought you said you just dropped it, yet here you are.

What did i say that soo offended you that you keep calling me names?

I dont want to fight, but you keep making comments that i dont think i warranted.

Qwikshot

06-22-2006, 08:43 AM

st.cronin

06-22-2006, 08:43 AM

Alright - that's it. Enough cheering. Every single game, its you and cheering.

Vote st. cronin

-Anxiety

P.S. - ;)

woo hoo

Qwikshot

06-22-2006, 08:45 AM

woo hoo

indiana jones is that you?

btw - can you all tell that my migraine is gone...

"Snakes! I hate snakes!"

Blade6119

06-22-2006, 08:48 AM

Questionable...saldana, chubb, bullet
I would replace saldana with tangle, but i agree these three are all fairly high on my list right now.

So, do we kill the foreign guy in tangle or one of the rooks?

saldana

06-22-2006, 08:51 AM

another night, another morning with no dead body...i guess now we wait to see if anyone got jumped during the night.

Barkeep49

06-22-2006, 08:55 AM

FYI I wil likely be a low participating person today.

Alan T

06-22-2006, 08:59 AM

Blade's in my circle of trust, unless he kills me tonight :)

When you look at it, we've got Dubb, path, sun and unless pass is making an elaborate trap...getting nearly killed puts him on my "cleared list"
Second tier for me...guys like bar, ty, blade and maybe coffee
Questionable...saldana, chubb, bullet

But all is subject to change...

"I'm ready for my closeup Mr.Demile"

If we can have some way to verify Pass's statement then I would agree. Right now all I have seen is some word that Pass was attacked and found a dagger after he fought off the attacker. There was no mention of it from hoops in the night summary that evening, no commotion, no noise no calling for help. He actually made it sound like it was a very peaceful night.

What better way to explain how you ended up with all the stolen money than "I fought off the bank robbers who attacked me!"

Don't get me wrong, I'm not pointing accusations at Pass yet, I just don't think it is fully safe to allow someone to clear themselves without any verification from anyone else.

A second note about Blade.. I had been watching him the past few days and felt uneasy with his different game play this game. He had seemed to be more apologetic earlier in day 1, was quieter and not much of an instegator.

This morning I don't feel as much concern about Blade anymore! :)

bulletsponge

06-22-2006, 09:08 AM

ok just catching up. nobody attacked or spied on me last night (no necro would, im going to be hanged in a day or 2 anyways). glad to see noone was killed last night. i wont be on this morning, going to watch the US soccer game

Qwikshot

06-22-2006, 09:15 AM

I think the attack could've just been overeagerness...I think that is a rookie mistake, or a fit of desperation...the baddies must be sweating it trying to find each other...

I really think pass wouldn't press upon himself to give up the ceremonial dagger (if it's a possessable item) if he was bad.

Hasn't Tangle ever been fully active in games? I'm all for removing the bar, especially when bek was as quiet and it would've been a terrible snake in the grass...

"We all gonna be like three little fonzies...and what's fonzie like, Yolanda?"
"c-cool?"
"That's right...we gonna do it cool"

btw---doesn't anyone think that "Resivoir Dogs" fits the werewolf mode? I mean you got 5 unknowns, only knowing them by colors...and Joe in the end, picks up on who the bad guy (good guy?) is even to the disbelief of Mr. White...and Mr. Orange's protestations...

"He was the only one I wasn't 100% on..."

That's why I'll:

Vote Tangle

Input is everything, I'm going to beat to that drum too being more involved...subject to change pending further info...

SnDvls

06-22-2006, 09:28 AM

nothing new from me this morning either, but I"m not suprised

Blade6119

06-22-2006, 09:32 AM

Not Very Active:
Tanglewood (20)
Qwikshot (21)

Input, huh? ;)

Barkeep49

06-22-2006, 09:34 AM

Qwikshot

06-22-2006, 09:39 AM

Input, huh? ;)

Touche, but I /did/ state I was sick the past few days...and I'm now becoming more involved...c'mon Childs...read!:cool:

saldana

06-22-2006, 09:45 AM

So presumably at least one other person got a scarab. It would be nice if they came forward as it would, perhaps, help us figure out which is a cursed and which is a protection one. Either way I will likely use mine tonight.

assuming there was only one necro initiate, your scarab is the only one, and is from the enchanter....bek couldnt have passed one last night since he was dead already.

Qwikshot

06-22-2006, 09:47 AM

Qwikshot 32
kingfc22 29
Schmidty 24
Lathum 23
tanglewood 20

This is a more recent set for you....

btw another good movie that reminds me of werewolf..."Usual Suspects"...I gotta watch that again...

Verbal: You think you can catch Keyser Soze? You think a guy like that comes this close to getting caught, and sticks his head out? If he comes up for anything it'll be to get rid of me. After that... my guess is you'll never hear from him again.

Qwikshot

06-22-2006, 09:51 AM

assuming there was only one necro initiate, your scarab is the only one, and is from the enchanter....bek couldnt have passed one last night since he was dead already.

Rereading the rules, I'm sure that this is the protection one (per saldana's theory)...and that dubb is safe from harm for the evening...which I believe brings us to day 3 and the potential for him to read another line (this is not a request to do it, since I believe he can only do it a limited number of times)...

However, if it is the cursed scarab then I would think that a seer could verify (not asking to do it since it does waste a night scan)...

"Who's bike is this?"
"It's a chopper baby..."
"Who's chopper is this?"
"Zed's"
"Who's Zed?"
"Zed's dead baby, Zed's dead..."

I'm feeling good about things...I think we have some strong leads...

Alan T

06-22-2006, 09:56 AM

Rereading the rules, I'm sure that this is the protection one (per saldana's theory)...and that dubb is safe from harm for the evening...which I believe brings us to day 3 and the potential for him to read another line (this is not a request to do it, since I believe he can only do it a limited number of times)...

However, if it is the cursed scarab then I would think that a seer could verify (not asking to do it since it does waste a night scan)...

"Who's bike is this?"
"It's a chopper baby..."
"Who's chopper is this?"
"Zed's"
"Who's Zed?"
"Zed's dead baby, Zed's dead..."

I'm feeling good about things...I think we have some strong leads...

You mean barkeep here and not dubbs right? Since Barkeep received it, I would think he has the scarab of protection. Reading the rules, it looks like Barkeep can either use it or pass it (back to the person, or on to someone else maybe?)

Saldana has an interesting point, if we were to assume that there was only one Initiate, then there would logically only be one scarab out there. I think now after the fact, I kind of wish we had used this some to verify another good guy since the chances of the enchanter being around 4 more days to do it again isn't something super strong to bank on. Can't do that now, but I think it is safe to say if no one else got a scarab then Saldana is right here and its safe to use barkeep.

saldana

06-22-2006, 09:57 AM

However, if it is the cursed scarab then I would think that a seer could verify (not asking to do it since it does waste a night scan)...

according to post 1, the only people that can determine if something is cursed or not cursed are the enchanter and the initiate (at least one of whom is dead)

Qwikshot

06-22-2006, 10:00 AM

according to post 1, the only people that can determine if something is cursed or not cursed are the enchanter and the initiate (at least one of whom is dead)

First off, there may be more than one initiate, we did say potentially 5 baddies...

Secondly...the cursed scarab I believe changes auras, we know dubb to be good...thus if a seer would scan him, he would show up, bad...at least that is what I thought by the rules...

Neo "Woah"

Alan T

06-22-2006, 10:01 AM

Wait Wait, how is dubbs involved? Barkeep got the scarab.. or did I miss something?

Qwikshot

06-22-2006, 10:02 AM

You mean barkeep here and not dubbs right? Since Barkeep received it, I would think he has the scarab of protection. Reading the rules, it looks like Barkeep can either use it or pass it (back to the person, or on to someone else maybe?)

Saldana has an interesting point, if we were to assume that there was only one Initiate, then there would logically only be one scarab out there. I think now after the fact, I kind of wish we had used this some to verify another good guy since the chances of the enchanter being around 4 more days to do it again isn't something super strong to bank on. Can't do that now, but I think it is safe to say if no one else got a scarab then Saldana is right here and its safe to use barkeep.

my bad...my bad...I thought it was dubb...this is what you get being half awake reading...so that means whoever created it /knew/ that barkeep was valuable enough to give it too...

I guess I'm adding another to my solid list...

Qwikshot

06-22-2006, 10:03 AM

Wait Wait, how is dubbs involved? Barkeep got the scarab.. or did I miss something?

See above post, I mixed bar with dubb...my apologies...

st.cronin

06-22-2006, 10:03 AM

getting lynched on day 2 is RUINING my post count

hoopsguy

06-22-2006, 10:04 AM

Yeah, running a game isn't helping mine out as much as a normal game of WW either :)

kingfc22

06-22-2006, 10:04 AM

Well that was a good 24 hr. span. Not only did we kill a necromancer, but they have still yet to have a night kill and our circle of trust is growing.

Passacaglia

06-22-2006, 10:06 AM

Blade6119

06-22-2006, 10:07 AM

Well that was a good 24 hr. span. Not only did we kill a necromancer, but they have still yet to have a night kill and our circle of trust is growing.
Im sorry to be the pessimist here, but we have 0 confirmed good guys...not one..just a lot of different people making claims that no one can verify or corraborate...:(

Barkeep49

06-22-2006, 10:08 AM

See I've never been convinced that there's just one initiate. Though if no one else comes forward that would seem to be the case.

Passacaglia

06-22-2006, 10:09 AM

I'm a little worried about there being more than one initiate, and that an initiate might have passed the cursed scarab to Barkeep. Does anyone else have a scarab? That might help us shed some light on this. I doubt there would be two initiates, and no enchanters, so if there are no other scarabs, it's probably one initiate (Bek) and one enchanter.

Now, assuming that Barkeep received a scarab from the enchanter, that doesn't really give me any trust in him -- it actually raises Chubby, since he was the one who mentioned that Barkeep was in his circle of trust. So my circle of trust, which is flimsy, is Chubby, dubb, and SnDvls, but even them I have my eye on. My highest suspicions are Barkeep (pushing for role reveals on ruling class for no good reason) and saldana (bandwagon off Bek -- admitting it makes him look suspicious doesn't clear him).

Passacaglia

06-22-2006, 10:10 AM

See I've never been convinced that there's just one initiate. Though if no one else comes forward that would seem to be the case.

So are you saying that YOU don't even know what kind of scarab it is? You don't have to say who it was, but do you even know who passed it to you?

kingfc22

06-22-2006, 10:12 AM

Im sorry to be the pessimist here, but we have 0 confirmed good guys...not one..just a lot of different people making claims that no one can verify or corraborate...:(

Unless dubb is trying to pull off a huge play this early in the game, I for one, tend to believe he and Sndvls to be good. Also, I'm pretty sure Pass is good since he survived an apparent attack.

Yea, I can't say for 100% certainty that they are good, but I have them above 70% which is good enough for me at this point in the game.

Blade6119

06-22-2006, 10:15 AM

Unless dubb is trying to pull off a huge play this early in the game, I for one, tend to believe he and Sndvls to be good. Also, I'm pretty sure Pass is good since he survived an apparent attack.

Yea, I can't say for 100% certainty that they are good, but I have them above 70% which is good enough for me at this point in the game.
For anyone else, id say i agree. But Dubb makes massive moves like this when he is bad. He does not avoid the spotlight when he is bad.

As for pass, nothing in hoop's post made it sound like on night 2 anyone was attacked. On night 3, last night, its obvious someone was targeted. Its odd that night two a similar message was not given, no?

kingfc22

06-22-2006, 10:17 AM

As for pass, nothing in hoop's post made it sound like on night 2 anyone was attacked. On night 3, last night, its obvious someone was targeted. Its odd that night two a similar message was not given, no?

Pass said he got a PM from hoops. So are you saying he is making that up?

Blade6119

06-22-2006, 10:19 AM

Pass said he got a PM from hoops. So are you saying he is making that up?
I think a lot about his story doesnt sit well with me, so yes.

Barkeep49

06-22-2006, 10:21 AM

If you look at the rules you will see that only the enchanter and initiate can tell what kind of scarab it is. As for the other information, I am keeping it close to the vest.

kingfc22

06-22-2006, 10:21 AM

I think a lot about his story doesnt sit well with me, so yes.

Do you have any opinion on Lathum's story?

Passacaglia

06-22-2006, 10:21 AM

Blade6119

06-22-2006, 10:24 AM

Do you have any opinion on Lathum's story?
I find it highly odd no one else has come forward and claimed to be scanned as well. I havent been scanned that i know of, so lathum claiming this seems odd. But if he was really scanned it would be by a bad guy, and if he was bad then he would tell us. I think lathums story is one i dont understand yet, unless hes bad and slipped up thinking others who werent bad could corroborate his story.

Passacaglia

06-22-2006, 10:26 AM

I find it highly odd no one else has come forward and claimed to be scanned as well. I havent been scanned that i know of, so lathum claiming this seems odd. But if he was really scanned it would be by a bad guy, and if he was bad then he would tell us. I think lathums story is one i dont understand yet, unless hes bad and slipped up thinking others who werent bad could corroborate his story.

Maybe someone else scanned on Night 2 was inactive? Could it have been Bek? I think he was the only one who didn't post at all on Night 2.

Blade6119

06-22-2006, 10:26 AM

I assure you. I was attacked by a necromancer on Night 2. I'm not making it up. I don't really expect it to clear me, since it seems easy for me to be making it up. Just don't make it something that ADDS suspicion to me.
The fact hoops didnt mention anything like it in his night post is odd, but you saying you found the knife is what really makes me suspicious. I dont think you would be notified of finding the item unless you could use it. So the fact you made no mention of that makes me doubt you more.

Passacaglia

06-22-2006, 10:26 AM

Maybe someone else scanned on Night 2 was inactive? Could it have been Bek? I think he was the only one who didn't post at all on Night 2.

I mean, he was the only one who didn't post Day 3. Worked out well for us -- the seer didn't have to out himself to get Bek lynched.

saldana

06-22-2006, 10:27 AM

I find it highly odd no one else has come forward and claimed to be scanned as well. I havent been scanned that i know of, so lathum claiming this seems odd. But if he was really scanned it would be by a bad guy, and if he was bad then he would tell us. I think lathums story is one i dont understand yet, unless hes bad and slipped up thinking others who werent bad could corroborate his story.

blade, dont know if you skimmed over it or are discounting it, but we had a conversation yesterday about why no one else has said anything similar to lathum...one thought was that the seer hasnt been making scans the past 2 nights so he can summon the avatar on night 4 (must forego scanning for 3 nights before the summoning can occur)

Blade6119

06-22-2006, 10:27 AM

Maybe someone else scanned on Night 2 was inactive? Could it have been Bek? I think he was the only one who didn't post at all on Night 2.
And what about night one and night 3? I doubt hoops decided to just make night 2 the night he would tell us.

Passacaglia

06-22-2006, 10:27 AM

Passacaglia

06-22-2006, 10:28 AM

And what about night one and night 3? I doubt hoops decided to just make night 2 the night he would tell us.

Night 1 = Lathum
Night 2 = Bek?
Night 3 = Hasn't come out yet.

Just the theory I'm sticking out there.

Blade6119

06-22-2006, 10:30 AM

blade, dont know if you skimmed over it or are discounting it, but we had a conversation yesterday about why no one else has said anything similar to lathum...one thought was that the seer hasnt been making scans the past 2 nights so he can summon the avatar on night 4 (must forego scanning for 3 nights before the summoning can occur)
I dont think the seer was involved, as i dont think the seer would do one scan and then stop. Either scan all the way or from night one go for avatar. So i figure the scan was bad, as if it was seer we would have other views in my mind.

Blade6119

06-22-2006, 10:33 AM

The fact that I made no mention of what? Whether or not I could use it?
Yes sir...if hoops brought it up, i think it would be a useable item. You seemed to indicate otherwise or not indicate at all.

Blade6119

06-22-2006, 10:34 AM

Night 1 = Lathum
Night 2 = Bek?
Night 3 = Hasn't come out yet.

Just the theory I'm sticking out there.
Possible, but like people reasoning why bek couldnt have been found yet, what seer do you know would scan lathum and then bek? Most players would go vets, barring hoopsguy who isnt playing.

Alan T

06-22-2006, 10:35 AM

Here's my current take on people. There are many people that I have no good feel for at all, so just left those blank..

Big Trust
4. path12 - He is the pharoah. I'll conceed its not a gurantuee that he is good, but he has the most going for him so far to be likely to be good I think.

Small Trust
7. Dubb - Without much opposition to doubt he is the soothsayer as he says he is, the question now becomes just like the pharoah. Do we think this role is good or bad?

10. SnDvls - His being cleared right now relies entirely on Dubb's allegiance. If Dubbs is indeed on our side, then Sndvls is too.

2. Passacaglia - Can't clear yourself by saying you were attacked without anyone else to back you up. Nothing from Hoops to back up his story either. However, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

11. Lathum - No one really has come out and said "Hey I'm the seer and I didn't scan you and you are full of it." I don't think its a smart move for the seer to come out right now even if Lathum is bad, but without any opposition, I'm ok with the idea that Lathum was scanned by the seer and no one has been pushing for his vote.

Neutral

1. Barkeep49 - Receiving the Scarab doesn't mean he is good. it just means whoever passed it to him thinks he is. I did not like how many people were pushing for Barkeep's lynch yesterday just for trying to get some conversation going. If I had to guess, I would lean towards him being good. But not much to go on for now.

3. Schmidty - Schmidty is like trying to read a black wall in the dark. If he ever actually gave us anything to use to find his innocence, I would be suprised!

5. Anxiety -

12. Coffee Warlord -

14. Qwikshot -

15. Tyrith -

17. Blade6119 - I made some comments about Blade earlier where it felt he was being different. i don't feel that any more. He feels like typical blade to me now.

19. Vince -

20. Chubby - I think its unlikely that we have 2 new players playing the I'm a new guy so cut me some slack while I undermind all of good and try to kill you all at night cards. Its probably not a stretch to think there is a chance of at least one of the new guys doing that though. Right now based on behavior alone though I am leaning towards Bullet being bad more than chubby.

21. Tanglewood - Really hasnt been here much or said much. Thats not always a reason to lynch someone though. He could be flying under the radar, and I'll vote for him in lieu of someone else that I don't have a good feal for though.

22. Kingfc22 -

Small Untrust
13. bulletsponge - See my comments on chubby

9. Saldana - Only really negative thing I have against Saldana is that he pushed and pushed hard for Cronin's death. He pushed hard enough to get me to buy into it which I regret now. I would think less of it if I didnt feel that someone bad knew Cronin was going to be set up to die with the silence spell.

Passacaglia

06-22-2006, 10:37 AM

Alan T

06-22-2006, 10:37 AM

Possible, but like people reasoning why bek couldnt have been found yet, what seer do you know would scan lathum and then bek? Most players would go vets, barring hoopsguy who isnt playing.

I don't think lathum is a bad choice for an early seer scan. He's been a pretty good player in the games i have been in with him. He also usually leaves more closer to the chest than some of the players like Hoops or Barkeep or you or such. So there are less ways to find out information on him.

Alan T

06-22-2006, 10:38 AM

The fact hoops didnt mention anything like it in his night post is odd, but you saying you found the knife is what really makes me suspicious. I dont think you would be notified of finding the item unless you could use it. So the fact you made no mention of that makes me doubt you more.

I agree with these statements. You're saying alot of what I said earlier about it. I don't think its something that makes me find him more suspicious, I just dont really have any desire to use it to add him to my trust list without secondary backup on it from something.

Passacaglia

06-22-2006, 10:39 AM

That list is pretty helpful, Alan T. Makes me wonder about some of those in your Neutral group, to see who's trying to fly under the radar. I'm thinking Schmidty, Qwikshot, and king.

Alan T

06-22-2006, 10:42 AM

That list is pretty helpful, Alan T. Makes me wonder about some of those in your Neutral group, to see who's trying to fly under the radar. I'm thinking Schmidty, Qwikshot, and king.

Well I am working from a datacenter this week, so most of my notes are in the form of notepad files on a computer. I've been trying to jot down things that interest me as I see them. So some of the people I don't really have much to go on yet is more due to my lack of writing down anything about them that caught my eye more so than them being under the radar.

Some of them definitly are doing that though, but just wanted to say my lack of putting anything about them wasn't me trying to say that. Just I hadn't noted much of anything from those people yet!

Barkeep49

06-22-2006, 10:43 AM

Well I think we should come to some consensus about who we believe to eb good and have pass, pass them the knife. I would lean towards SnDvls as he seems to be pretty clearly cleared.

Blade6119

06-22-2006, 10:43 AM

Maybe a rookie, who doesn't know who the vets are?
Bullet didnt know earlier, but it was explained to him pretty early bu snvdvls i think(sorry if wrong person). Chubby i havent seen much either way.

I certainly buy bullet scanning those 2...and since he has been on everyone's suspect list, ill go through with it.

VOTE BULLETSPONGE

I think im fairly confident we have good odds with him as i put the pieces together in my head. He just seems to fit into all the pieces i have for what i think a necro would be doing(the cronin vote, who they would scan, comments made, etc.) I think this will be my vote, barring some info later that i dont see now. I think, for the first time this game, im confident with my vote.

Passacaglia

06-22-2006, 10:46 AM

Bullet didnt know earlier, but it was explained to him pretty early bu snvdvls i think(sorry if wrong person). Chubby i havent seen much either way.

I certainly buy bullet scanning those 2...and since he has been on everyone's suspect list, ill go through with it.

VOTE BULLETSPONGE

I think im fairly confident we have good odds with him as i put the pieces together in my head. He just seems to fit into all the pieces i have for what i think a necro would be doing(the cronin vote, who they would scan, comments made, etc.) I think this will be my vote, barring some info later that i dont see now. I think, for the first time this game, im confident with my vote.

Oh, so you think a necromancer has been doing these scans? I thought it was the Mystic.

path12

06-22-2006, 10:47 AM

I was attacked last night. Luckily, I appear to have had some combat training and was able to parry the blow while screaming for my guards. He blinded me momentarily as I was reaching for his hood, so I didn't get a look at who it was before he escaped.

Qwikshot

06-22-2006, 10:47 AM

That list is pretty helpful, Alan T. Makes me wonder about some of those in your Neutral group, to see who's trying to fly under the radar. I'm thinking Schmidty, Qwikshot, and king.

Not flying under the radar...and following blade's comments (whom I trust) it seems we need more info to prove that you were attacked...

I'm going to go back and trend the votes...

Blade6119

06-22-2006, 10:47 AM

Oh, so you think a necromancer has been doing these scans? I thought it was the Mystic.
I think it was a necromancer, yes. Im acting under the assumption the seer is either doing avatar or we dont find out his scans. For hoops to tell a bad guy he was scanned last night would be crazy(as if he doesnt say a necro he knows its a mystic...i dont buy hoops telling for the mystic)

Barkeep49

06-22-2006, 10:48 AM

Blade: I think you're wrong here. I think one of two things about Lathum's scan:
A. He's full of it
B. The person did one scan, of Lathum, not a bad choice at all, and is now summoning a good guy for us

So without agreeing with that part of the assumption I have trouble going with the bullet vote for the time being.

Passacaglia

06-22-2006, 10:48 AM

Alan T

06-22-2006, 10:48 AM

Well I think we should come to some consensus about who we believe to eb good and have pass, pass them the knife. I would lean towards SnDvls as he seems to be pretty clearly cleared.

I would say path, but my fear there is what if the holder of the knife has some curse or bad thing happen to them. So after path, out of the people in my some trust group, sndvls is the only one who didn't bring that trust to himself. Ie: Dubbs is the one vouching for him. So he seems the best of the bunch to me.

Ie: for Sndvls to be bad, it means both Dubbs and Sndvls are bad. Even if Dubbs is bad, he could have still vouched for someone who was good as a way to buy trust. So odds are in my head Sndvls has a better chance of being good than bad here.

kingfc22

06-22-2006, 10:49 AM

That list is pretty helpful, Alan T. Makes me wonder about some of those in your Neutral group, to see who's trying to fly under the radar. I'm thinking Schmidty, Qwikshot, and king.

I've been at work the past two days past the deadline so I haven't been able to post much during the day. Trying to be as helpful as possible with all the broken pieces of info we have received.

path12

06-22-2006, 10:49 AM

Looks like we got lucky. Why no EG protecting you?

Because I had him on Dubb.

Blade6119

06-22-2006, 10:50 AM

Alan T

06-22-2006, 10:50 AM

Looks like we got lucky. Why no EG protecting you?

Path only gave one order to the EG on night one to protect someone, as a way to confirm who they are later on. he's been leaving it up to them (free will) who to protect each night. Whether its him, Dubbs or someone else.

Passacaglia

06-22-2006, 10:51 AM

Because I had him on Dubb.

Fair enough.

Anyway, I'll come clean about the dagger: it doesn't do a damn thing. I was hoping to make the necromancers think it would help defend me, so that they wouldn't attack me, but it's no biggie. They probably have better targets at this point, anyway.

Blade6119

06-22-2006, 10:52 AM

Path only gave one order to the EG on night one to protect someone, as a way to confirm who they are later on. he's been leaving it up to them (free will) who to protect each night. Whether its him, Dubbs or someone else.
Path just said he ordered to guard dubb last night...i dont like that...path is meddling in places he shouldnt be meddling if you ask me...

path12

06-22-2006, 10:52 AM

I would say path, but my fear there is what if the holder of the knife has some curse or bad thing happen to them. So after path, out of the people in my some trust group, sndvls is the only one who didn't bring that trust to himself. Ie: Dubbs is the one vouching for him. So he seems the best of the bunch to me.

Keep in mind, I still have the helmet and I can only keep one object at a time, so for me to get the knife I would need to pass/use the helmet.

As a matter of fact, this would be a good time after Barkeep's revelation to say that I had a scarab to start with. I used it when I got the helmet. There was no obvious effect besides a green light that washed over me.

Passacaglia

06-22-2006, 10:52 AM

Path only gave one order to the EG on night one to protect someone, as a way to confirm who they are later on. he's been leaving it up to them (free will) who to protect each night. Whether its him, Dubbs or someone else.

Why would you say that, when path said he had the EG on dubb?

Qwikshot

06-22-2006, 10:52 AM

I would say path, but my fear there is what if the holder of the knife has some curse or bad thing happen to them. So after path, out of the people in my some trust group, sndvls is the only one who didn't bring that trust to himself. Ie: Dubbs is the one vouching for him. So he seems the best of the bunch to me.

Ie: for Sndvls to be bad, it means both Dubbs and Sndvls are bad. Even if Dubbs is bad, he could have still vouched for someone who was good as a way to buy trust. So odds are in my head Sndvls has a better chance of being good than bad here.

Sun voted for Bek three days straight...no flinch...that's impressive...

Alan T

06-22-2006, 10:52 AM

You dont think a necro could have scanned him? Your talking mystic, im talking necro

I think I side with barkeep on this one.. and here is why.. We have to assume there were at least 4 necros on night 1, and without anything else going on, have to assume at least 3 if not all of them were scanning people. I find it hard to believe now after 3 nights, that all of the necros would not have hit on some other person who was good who would have had the same message as Lathum.

So I don't think Lathum's message is from the necro scan.

Either he is making it up, or the seer scanned him

Now why no one else has been scanned by the seer since then.. either its the avatar thing like people have been mentioning or once again Lathum is making it up

Passacaglia

06-22-2006, 10:53 AM

Path just said he ordered to guard dubb last night...i dont like that...path is meddling in places he shouldnt be meddling if you ask me...

Why not? I don't have a problem with him keeping the EG honest. It's not like the necros are killing anyone as a result.

path12

06-22-2006, 10:53 AM

Path just said he ordered to guard dubb last night...i dont like that...path is meddling in places he shouldnt be meddling if you ask me...

Why? I shouldn't make sure the soothsayer is protected???? Blade, you are really starting to ping my radar.

Alan T

06-22-2006, 10:53 AM

Why would you say that, when path said he had the EG on dubb?

Because its what path told us yesterday that he hadn't been giving the EG any other orders. Obviously I am mistaken about last night since I was not privy to that info!

Blade6119

06-22-2006, 10:55 AM

Why? I shouldn't make sure the soothsayer is protected???? Blade, you are really starting to ping my radar.
You dont think the EG can do things on his own and make the best decision? The fact, past night one when we agreed it was ok, you are using the power is unsettling. The fact attacks are occuring on targets outside of your order is more unsettling.

I think bullet is the right move to make today, but if you want to distrust me im sure the seer has already scanned me or will tonight

Barkeep49

06-22-2006, 10:58 AM

Fair enough.

Anyway, I'll come clean about the dagger: it doesn't do a damn thing. I was hoping to make the necromancers think it would help defend me, so that they wouldn't attack me, but it's no biggie. They probably have better targets at this point, anyway.
Yeah I thought it was clear from the start based on how you described it that the dagger doesn't do you any good. But I'd still like you to pass it tonight. Then when the person recieves it we can verify your story and thus you as a good guy.

path12

06-22-2006, 11:01 AM

You dont think the EG can do things on his own and make the best decision? The fact, past night one when we agreed it was ok, you are using the power is unsettling. The fact attacks are occuring on targets outside of your order is more unsettling.

I don't know who the damn EG is -- what if it's Tangle who hasn't been around? It is part of my ability to be able to place the EG and I decided to make sure that the one person besides myself that has revealed was protected. If you have a problem with that so be it. If people don't want me to move the guard around I won't. But don't sit here and try to tell me that it was a bad move. Who would you have protected?

Passacaglia

06-22-2006, 11:08 AM

Yeah I thought it was clear from the start based on how you described it that the dagger doesn't do you any good. But I'd still like you to pass it tonight. Then when the person recieves it we can verify your story and thus you as a good guy.

I honestly can't pass it. It's just a token to inform me that a necromancer was behind the attack.

Barkeep49

06-22-2006, 11:13 AM

I honestly can't pass it. It's just a token to inform me that a necromancer was behind the attack.
Well then I have to tell you this is sounding more and more like your "reveal" in the yak game. Trust but verify is what I say and you're giving us no way of verifying a story that has other parts that don't add up.

Blade6119

06-22-2006, 11:22 AM

I don't know who the damn EG is -- what if it's Tangle who hasn't been around? It is part of my ability to be able to place the EG and I decided to make sure that the one person besides myself that has revealed was protected. If you have a problem with that so be it. If people don't want me to move the guard around I won't. But don't sit here and try to tell me that it was a bad move. Who would you have protected?
Not Dubb, as his role is almost all used up if not entirely. I would go after someone i felt was hinting at a more powerful egyptian role, be it EG or mystic or whatever. I dont know who they are, but dubb would not have been my choice.

The problem for me is not you guarded dubb, its that i thought we had all agreed you would do night 1 only, and yet here you are. Maybe im mistaken, so feel free to ignore me.

I will likely spend the rest of the day pushing to get my suspect lynched, complaining about US soccer, and sleeping after not doing the latter last night due to the WC

Barkeep49

06-22-2006, 11:24 AM

So I'm confused: Pass you said you had the knife and hinted it might have powers so that you would get attacked again? You were really wililng to play 50/50 with your life?

Blade6119

06-22-2006, 11:24 AM

Dola, the more i think about it the more i like bullet as a bad guy. Qwik, you said you were following my actions. Want to back me up and see if im right on my first real suspicion this game. Even if we dont lynch him, hopefully we can get a response since he was here post my vote and didnt say a thing.

Barkeep49

06-22-2006, 11:24 AM

Nevermind. He was trying NOT to get attacked. I got it.

Lathum

06-22-2006, 11:32 AM

Possible, but like people reasoning why bek couldnt have been found yet, what seer do you know would scan lathum and then bek? Most players would go vets, barring hoopsguy who isnt playing.
Blade, this is a big FUCK YOU. I am so sick of your fucking elitist comments about everyone who you don't consider to be a "vet". I was the first person lynched in the first ever game so if that doesn't make me a vet I don't kow what does. I'm sorry some of us don't print out every page then highlight certain statements and cross reference them with a chart made on a dry erase board set up in their parents basement.

Every single game you feel the need to seperate yourself from the "common" people and remind everybody about the upper class of the werewolf world. I am so fucking sick of it and so are a number of other people. You want to know why so many people don't play anymore, it's because of you and your elitist, condesending attitude towards everyone who you don't consider worthy.

I had some usefull information but I'll just keep it to myself and let all the "vets" and "master strategists" win the game for us.

And in case I forgot.

FUCK YOU BLADE YOU FUCKING JERKOFF