Werewolf: Hunt for Necromancers - GAME OVER! Post #3469

[Chubby]

I almost changed the tiebreak. I'm glad I didn't. After Tyrith and Chubby's first games, there are officially no more grants to first time players......good job Chubby.

You totally should have changed :D

Thanks, it was a lot of fun. I'll be in the next one for sure!

[Abe Sargent]

I'm glad I didn;t jump on the Schmidty bandwagon there, and I'm glad I was one of the ones pushing to Chubby all day. I feel like I accomplished something.

-Anxiety

[Tyrith]

First thought, was the lack of movement near the end a sign that both players tied were bad?

I think it was a sign that the bad guys weren't around, weren't present in the numbers, or couldn't do anything.

Right now king is enemy number one, followed by qwkshot. If Anxiety or Tangle is bad they aren't linked in with the rest of the necros and they also didn't get any signals, which, at this point, I find hard to believe.

Updated vote history is coming up.

[Tyrith]

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[Tyrith]

Furthermore, I think this finally clears up the issue of path being bad.

[Tyrith]

And yes, I left my role revealed on purpose now. You're either gonna trust me or you aren't because of what happened today, I'm not gonna do any stupid stunts.

[Qwikshot]

Well I couldn't resist coming back and seeing the results...

All this hatred towards me, so disappointing, I have you in my trust Tyrinth, and I won't go against you.

What about barkeep voting for you? And tangle?

And even though Dubb voted for Chubby, the one he vouched, Sun, voted for Schmidty? I find that curious, as if splitting the vote cleared them from judgement, not from though...

I stand by my vote history.

Schmidty barely participates and he's been under the radar for the majority of the game, so badly, that it resulted in him role revealing...who forced that? Can we be sure?

There are a lot of under the radar players here, but it's because there have been so many vocal players...sometimes I think the vocal ones are the ones hiding in the open.

I'm sleepy now...much to read.

[Schmidty]

So I guess everyone believes me finally. My childish rantings saved my ass. :D

[hoopsguy]

I'm very pleased to be running Egypt (per the spreadsheet), despite the lack of formal title.

[Schmidty]

Schmidty barely participates and he's been under the radar for the majority of the game, so badly, that it resulted in him role revealing...who forced that? Can we be sure?

I didn't participate because I was trying to fly under the radar (ask hoops after the game). The person who forced my reveal in way was Barkeep. But then he unvoted me after it appeared that my death was pretty sure. Then again, maybe he really believed me.

I don't know.

[Lathum]

Furthermore, I think this finally clears up the issue of path being bad.
actually it would be a pretty clever play if he was evil and knew there were at least 2 necro's left. Also, if they were both necro's he come's out looking good.

[saldana]

actually it would be a pretty clever play if he was evil and knew there were at least 2 necro's left. Also, if they were both necro's he come's out looking good.

i dont think he would have picked the Head Necro though

[Tyrith]

I titled the spreadsheet back before the game had a title, I'll fix it. My spreadsheet uses generic role titles because it makes it clearer for me to track things in another spreadsheet I'm compiling. Last week I actually made up some nice spreadsheets to track a couple of fun statistics, which I'll share after the game if anyone is interested.

Lathum, I think that logic isn't worth it to them at all. Unless the schmidty/chubby/path trio is ALL bad, in which case I don't know anything anymore.

In response to qwik -- I have to trust barkeep. And tangle's vote for me actually clears him because he could have killed schmidty whenever...unless he considered it a lost cause and didn't want to stir up trouble by going back on schmidty. But that's trading a certain dead bad guy for a potential one -- worst case scenario is that tangle gets killed for it tomorrow and chubby the next day, which gives them more time to figure out crap. Best case scenario is neither dies, I'm still suspected, and we're in a mess. Hrm. That's almost tempting. I'd still put king first for the time being, but I'm not sure.

[tanglewood]

In response to qwik -- I have to trust barkeep. And tangle's vote for me actually clears him because he could have killed schmidty whenever...unless he considered it a lost cause and didn't want to stir up trouble by going back on schmidty. But that's trading a certain dead bad guy for a potential one -- worst case scenario is that tangle gets killed for it tomorrow and chubby the next day, which gives them more time to figure out crap. Best case scenario is neither dies, I'm still suspected, and we're in a mess. Hrm. That's almost tempting. I'd still put king first for the time being, but I'm not sure.

Well that sounds pretty silly to me. If I were a bad guy, I wouldn't let the Head Necro get lynched in any situation, especially seeing as I could fabricate some reason to vote for Schmidty (not difficult in the circumstances) to avoid a tie.

[tanglewood]

Just in case anything happens in the night, my main suspects for tommorow are King and Qwik.

[path12]

I think mine are pretty clear, Vince and Qwik.

[Tyrith]

Well that sounds pretty silly to me. If I were a bad guy, I wouldn't let the Head Necro get lynched in any situation, especially seeing as I could fabricate some reason to vote for Schmidty (not difficult in the circumstances) to avoid a tie.

Yeah, that's pretty much my thought. The theory is pretty damn silly and unlikely, which is why you weren't on the list to begin with.

[Tyrith]

Path, why Vince? Something other than gut?

[path12]

Path, why Vince? Something other than gut?

You know, I'm not really sure what it is. I went through about the first 2 odd days worth of posts of his earlier, and while there was nothing that stood out, it also was kind of scattered, almost random at times -- which is great for spreading uncertainty.

Also, the conspiracy themes that were just out there. Again, almost designed to create red herrings. So mainly gut, but I do plan to check some more of the posts tomorrow.

To add to my list, looking over your spreadsheet I guess I'd have to take a look at King also.

[Vince]

Good work guys. I was called into work early today, and wasn't able to get a vote off before I left...sorry about that. I really have no idea who I would have voted for if I had been able to get a vote off...both the protagonists today were on my suspect list. If I got a vote in, with Schmidty throwing his role out there, I probably would have voted for king, I guess.

Tremendous work for your first game, Chubbs. Though afterwards I'll be interested to hear why there was never a mummy...

I find it strange that I'm on either end of people's trust lists. Like Chubby mentioned earlier (though he was a lying bastard :)), vanilla villagers can't do much to defend themselves. At this point, I'm really hoping it doesn't come down to me and someone else as lynch candidates, because I'd have to search through a massive thread to find evidence against my running mate. Add in the tiebreaker guy having it out for me, and I'm not looking good :)

I guess I could update my list...

Dead:
Bek (Initiate)
bulletsponge
Alan T
Chubby (Head Necromancer)

Passacaglia (Ruling Class)
st. cronin (Explorer)
Coffee Warlord (Ruling Class/Fanatic)
Blade (Mystic)
Swaggs (Ruling Class)
Fouts (Avatar)

Alive:
kingfc22
Anxiety

Qwikshot
Tanglewood
Tyrith
Schmidty
Vince

Lathum
Dubb
Barkeep
SnDvls
Saldana
Path

Changes: Chubby (whom I was suspicious of, I'll have you all remember :)) died, in case you missed it. I moved Schmidty from Suspected to Neutral (though the role-reveal seems legit, I just can't buy it completely), and demoted Anxiety from Neutral to Suspected, if only because I need to be looking at more than one person at a time. I moved Lathum up from Neutral to Trusted -- I don't know exactly what it was, but today he convinced me he really is on our side. And if he wants to somewhat back me up a little, that can't hurt his cause in my eyes. I want to move Tyrith to the trusted list, but other than thinking that I am on the up-and-up, I don't have much on him, so for now I'll leave him on my neutral list. So the only people I'm really considering for bad guys at this point, in order of suspicion, are:

kingfc22 (most suspected)
Anxiety
tanglewood
Schmidty
Qwikshot
Tyrith (least suspected)

I'm off work the next two days, so I have no work-related excuses, but I have a lot to catch up with errands/laundry/bills wise, and I have to go to the doctor at some point.

[Abe Sargent]

You are putting me on your suspect list after being one of the ones who lead the charge against Chubby?

-Anxiety

[Abe Sargent]

Here's an interesting little fact: Three necromancers have been lynched. Who voted for all three? Just me and Schmidty

-Anxiety

[Abe Sargent]

Oh, and Tyrith voted for Bek earlier, so he voted for all three, but not all on days that they were lynched.


-Anxiety

[Abe Sargent]

My COT:

Trusted, in order:

Barkeep
path
SnDvls
Dubb
Saldana

Sorta Trusted:

Tyrith
Schmidty

Others:

King
Vince
tanglewood
Lathum
Qwikshot


I suggest looking at Qwik, king and tangle from my list. I'd like to hear more from each of those three players today, after the Night passes.

-Anxiety

[Qwikshot]

Here's an interesting little fact: Three necromancers have been lynched. Who voted for all three? Just me and Schmidty

-Anxiety

Uh, Tyrith stated that doesn't mean anything. I voted for necromancers too, and I'm unproven on my suspicions of Tangle.

Schmidty voted for Cronin and Fouts and you voted for Cronin and Fouts, so please again try to prove why you aren't above suspicion, because I'm not so sold that you are.

[Qwikshot]

You know, I'm not really sure what it is. I went through about the first 2 odd days worth of posts of his earlier, and while there was nothing that stood out, it also was kind of scattered, almost random at times -- which is great for spreading uncertainty.

Also, the conspiracy themes that were just out there. Again, almost designed to create red herrings. So mainly gut, but I do plan to check some more of the posts tomorrow.

To add to my list, looking over your spreadsheet I guess I'd have to take a look at King also.

It's funny, I've never wavered in my support for you as good, even when others were still questioning whether you were good or not, yet I'm suspected, I find that disappointing.

[dubb93]

And even though Dubb voted for Chubby, the one he vouched, Sun, voted for Schmidty? I find that curious, as if splitting the vote cleared them from judgement, not from though...



This is complete BS. Quit trying to make something from nothing. Yes I scanned and cleared Sun, but how does that effect where we vote in a two horse race? I have no way to contact Sun, and we are two completely seperate people. If his guy tells him Schmidty and my gut tells me Chubby how can you even try to claim anything is going on? This is a complete freaking reach.

[Qwikshot]

This is complete BS. Quit trying to make something from nothing. Yes I scanned and cleared Sun, but how does that effect where we vote in a two horse race? I have no way to contact Sun, and we are two completely seperate people. If his guy tells him Schmidty and my gut tells me Chubby how can you even try to claim anything is going on? This is a complete freaking reach.

Nothing is a reach in this game...nothing.

[Qwikshot]

This is complete BS. Quit trying to make something from nothing. Yes I scanned and cleared Sun, but how does that effect where we vote in a two horse race? I have no way to contact Sun, and we are two completely seperate people. If his guy tells him Schmidty and my gut tells me Chubby how can you even try to claim anything is going on? This is a complete freaking reach.


Why is so easy to disregard this?

I'm being told I'm under the radar yet Vince and Tangle both have less posts then me, and I've generally been involved in all discussion (excluding this weekend when I was away, I did post this).

Vince has real life commitments, Tangle is in a completely different timezone, Schmidty always plays close to the vest...here I am stating the same real life commitments...I shouldn't be condemned for that...I should be judged on my posts and my voting habits.

I went a completely different decision than the bulk of the votes between Chubby and Schmidty, I wasn't sold on Chubby because his voting history seemed sound, yes, I'm not used to his style, so he was a hard read to me, the benefit of the doubt for the majority won out and the Egyptians dealt a serious blow. Schmidty plays so quiet that he had to role reveal to save his skin, and I wasn't 100% on both, so I felt I'd vote for someone I had originally voted for (but unvoted at the appeals of Blade) and that was Tangle.

[Vince]

Do you really have more posts than me? I need to pick up the pace :)

No, I need to get to sleep. It's friggin 5 AM.

[Vince]

Dola -- You sir are a liar! A liar and a...a...yeah, I don't know. I'm going to bed.

[Qwikshot]

Dola -- You sir are a liar! A liar and a...a...yeah, I don't know. I'm going to bed.

Actually my bad...I was mistaken, you have like 10 posts more than me (so I'm in striking distance)...Tangle and Schmidty have less than me. But this is my point, low posts don't neccessarily mean anything. And I must be more aware what I post at like 6 or 7 ish in the AM...I need coffee.

[Qwikshot]

the fact that barkeep has almost 4x as many posts as hoops is amazing as it is disturbing...I gotta post more...

but I believe in quality over quantity :)

[Barkeep49]

There's plenty of quality in my posts. But don't worry about me no more.

[Qwikshot]

There's plenty of quality in my posts. But don't worry about me no more.

Huh...I was just joking...levity in a time of tension is a good thing...:D

[hoopsguy]

On this nights the Egyptians allow themselves to celebrate just a little bit. Four necromancers, including the leader, have already been led to Osiris. Surely victory is upon you? Surely the disturbing weather will break soon, even though there is still a driving rain tonight ...

Morning comes and a quick head count reveals that one of you has been slow to join the group. You soon learn the reason why, as Barkeep has been stabbed to death. His body is full of puncture wounds and slashes; his death was likely quick but that didn't stop his assailant from whittling away at his corpse.

Day 7 has begun

[Barkeep49]

Sure appreciate the help from the bodyguard.

Just joking.

It's been a great game. Look forward to continuing to read it.

[Qwikshot]

Sure appreciate the help from the bodyguard.

Just joking.

It's been a great game. Look forward to continuing to read it.

Damn shame...interesting there were two fanatics...

[dubb93]

Nothing is a reach in this game...nothing.

Lets just put it this way. Who had the pissing match with the head nec.? And who cast the first vote for Chubby yesterday? Was Chubby even really mentioned b/f I cast a vote for him? Exactly.

[dubb93]

Sucks we lost Barkeep. Now your role creates even more questions b/c I was taking several things he was saying as fact b/c I thought there was a chance he was the mystic. I guess screws my theory about Barkeep clearing Tangle, and makes me wonder about some other things I've taken as fact.

[dubb93]

And yes b/f anyone tells me Blade was the mystic, I'm aware of that. I thought there was a chance we had 2.

[Tyrith]

Vince is off the trusted list. Barkeep killed Alan, it wasn't a block. He now has to go back into the candidate pool for me, which currently is:

King
Vince
Qwikshot
--- (this is a big gap for today)
Schmidty
---
Anxiety

Anxiety was either totally out of the loop or is on our side, and I hope the same can be said for me. Of course, is Schmidty turns out bad somehow, all bets are off on that.

[SnDvls]

so saldana is still alive today too huh? maybe no one got the disease.

[Tyrith]

so saldana is still alive today too huh? maybe no one got the disease.

I think he said somewhere he wouldn't live past today. We may not have his vote around for the lynch if he dies like blade did.

[Qwikshot]

Vince is off the trusted list. Barkeep killed Alan, it wasn't a block. He now has to go back into the candidate pool for me, which currently is:

King
Vince
Qwikshot
--- (this is a big gap for today)
Schmidty
---
Anxiety

Anxiety was either totally out of the loop or is on our side, and I hope the same can be said for me. Of course, is Schmidty turns out bad somehow, all bets are off on that.

I trust Schmidty, I believe he's on the up and up.

Why is Lathum written off? How do we know he's good? Wouldn't the prophecy (if it is Lathum) have different objectives...I don't trust him, and he worries me more than Vince, Anxiety, King and Schmidty.

I think we're overlooking a very dangerous player in Lathum, and he seemed to want Schmdity dead even after role reveal.

Vote Lathum

[saldana]

Damn shame...interesting there were two fanatics...

go back to day 1 or 2 when barkeep and coffee warlord talked about how much they both hated the necros....something about pissing on their dead bodies...thats how i knew giving the scarab to barkeep would put it in the right hands.

[saldana]

Vince is off the trusted list. Barkeep killed Alan, it wasn't a block. He now has to go back into the candidate pool for me, which currently is:

King
Vince
Qwikshot
--- (this is a big gap for today)
Schmidty
---
Anxiety

Anxiety was either totally out of the loop or is on our side, and I hope the same can be said for me. Of course, is Schmidty turns out bad somehow, all bets are off on that.

how do you know that...i didnt see anything that indicated barkeep killed alan. did i miss something?

[saldana]

so saldana is still alive today too huh? maybe no one got the disease.

i was told i would die on day 7 if nothing changed. as far as i know, nothing has changed, so i am assuming i will keel over at some point during the day

vote qwikshot

[Lathum]

A couple of questions.

Anxiety, why do you still not trust me?

Is it possible saldana's disease will clear up since the head necro is dead?


LIke I already stated I think Vince is cleared up based on the fact it is very possible barkeep killed alanT and AlanT was on his way to kill vince. I know it is possible alanT was scanning vince but I find it unlikely.

of the people who are left these are my feelings

Schmidty-I believe he is ruling class but that doesn't make him good necessarily.

path12- pharaoh, probably good
Anxiety- I am pretty suspiscous of him based on his continued questioning of me.
Dubb- soothsayer, probably good
Saldana- dieased, probably dead soon
SnDvls- cleared by dubb
Lathum- good
Qwikshot- tough to read, may be necro
Tyrith- very suspicous of him considering his attck on me and then his suddenly bacink off when he saw he wasn't getting much support
Vince- probably good in my book
Tanglewood- quiet due to time restrictions
Kingfc22- possible necro


I have to leave for work soon, just in case I am not back

VOTE KING

[Lathum]

dola, I just read qwiks post and I have to ask, WHAT MORE DO I HAVE TO DO!!!.

I was on chubby early in the game, was all over alanT and put my neck on the line including telling a stupid lie to save the avatar!

Qwik was my other suspect so

UNVOTE KING
VOTE QWIK

other then posting my PM I have no idea what more I can do.

[Qwikshot]

dola, I just read qwiks post and I have to ask, WHAT MORE DO I HAVE TO DO!!!.

I was on chubby early in the game, was all over alanT and put my neck on the line including telling a stupid lie to save the avatar!

Qwik was my other suspect so

UNVOTE KING
VOTE QWIK

other then posting my PM I have no idea what more I can do.

I know you aren't on the up and up Lathum. You are bad news to the Egyptians.

[Lathum]

I know you aren't on the up and up Lathum. You are bad news to the Egyptians.
that's the best you've got?

[Qwikshot]

that's the best you've got?

I know you were talking with Chubby...my role allows me to "hear" things.

[Qwikshot]

that's the best you've got?

I know you don't have the kingdom in your best interests, you are out for your own gain...

[Lathum]

I know you were talking with Chubby...my role allows me to "hear" things.
right, so you have had the ability to listen to the head necro's conversations and you are just bringing it up now?

[path12]

It's funny, I've never wavered in my support for you as good, even when others were still questioning whether you were good or not, yet I'm suspected, I find that disappointing.

That quote was regarding Vince, not you. Tell the truth, I don't have much of a read on you at this point, that's the main reason you're on my list. As I look some more, if I don't get any reason to suspect you then you'll be off. I'm not very good at note-taking and play a lot by feel.......really a part of my game I'd like to improve.

[Lathum]

and what role allows you to "listen" to other players, I don't see anything in the rules about a role like that.

[path12]

I know you were talking with Chubby...my role allows me to "hear" things.

You're gonna need to be a lot more specific about this. Today.

[Lathum]

I am heading off to work now ( how convienient for Qwik that I won't be around to counter any BS he may have about me).

I just don't understand where he is coming from, if I am the prophecy I have done everything to secure a win for the villegars. I am on the side of good. IT is that simple, if the villegars win, I win and I don't know what else I need to do to prove it.

[Schmidty]

I know you were talking with Chubby...my role allows me to "hear" things.

I'd like to hear more about this ability since, if it's true, it's out in the open now anyway.

[Qwikshot]

right, so you have had the ability to listen to the head necro's conversations and you are just bringing it up now?

Oh come come, so defensive, do you deny talking with Chubby? I know you did, Dubb could find out wheter or not it's true.

[Qwikshot]

I am heading off to work now ( how convienient for Qwik that I won't be around to counter any BS he may have about me).

I just don't understand where he is coming from, if I am the prophecy I have done everything to secure a win for the villegars. I am on the side of good. IT is that simple, if the villegars win, I win and I don't know what else I need to do to prove it.

It's the truth...and I'm sure the discussion will continue...I mean if I'm wrong I'm dead...just like what you did to Blade and Saldana...right.

[Qwikshot]

You're gonna need to be a lot more specific about this. Today.

Pharaoh, I've always deemed you good, but I know there is far more evil out there than the ruling class and the necros...

I also know that Anxiety wanders at night...

How did you think I knew Coffee and Tyrith to be good?

[Qwikshot]

and what role allows you to "listen" to other players, I don't see anything in the rules about a role like that.

I'm not so apt to give up my role like Schmidty, but I know it to be true that you were talking with Chubby. Just confirm or deny?

[SnDvls]

Oh come come, so defensive, do you deny talking with Chubby? I know you did, Dubb could find out wheter or not it's true.


let's not waste dubb and just you tell us today so dubb can check on of the other players we question.

[Qwikshot]

let's not waste dubb and just you tell us today so dubb can check on of the other players we question.

This is something that /needs/ verification...I don't want dubb to waste his ability either, but you may want to know whether or not I speak the truth...or whether or not Lathum does?

[Abe Sargent]

A fanatic vouched for you and that's it, not a Mystic or a Soothsayer or something. That's why.

-Anxiety

A couple of questions.

Anxiety, why do you still not trust me?

Is it possible saldana's disease will clear up since the head necro is dead?


LIke I already stated I think Vince is cleared up based on the fact it is very possible barkeep killed alanT and AlanT was on his way to kill vince. I know it is possible alanT was scanning vince but I find it unlikely.

of the people who are left these are my feelings

Schmidty-I believe he is ruling class but that doesn't make him good necessarily.

path12- pharaoh, probably good
Anxiety- I am pretty suspiscous of him based on his continued questioning of me.
Dubb- soothsayer, probably good
Saldana- dieased, probably dead soon
SnDvls- cleared by dubb
Lathum- good
Qwikshot- tough to read, may be necro
Tyrith- very suspicous of him considering his attck on me and then his suddenly bacink off when he saw he wasn't getting much support
Vince- probably good in my book
Tanglewood- quiet due to time restrictions
Kingfc22- possible necro


I have to leave for work soon, just in case I am not back

VOTE KING

[Abe Sargent]

I'm looking at King today hard.


Assume that at least one Necro remaining knew who Chubby was. If there are, say, two remaining Necs, both may not have known Chubby, but one probably did at least.

The only valid vote to save Chubby was Schmidty. Who voted for Schmidty? SnDvls, Lathum, King, and Chubby himself. One more vote for Schmidty and Chubby is clear for another day. Yesterday was a perfect day to vote to help Chubby, because a lot of us admitted that we weren;t 100% sure of our votes, and someone could have easily voted for Schmidty without raising suspicions.

Therefore, King is suspicious to me. BTW, for the same reason, this would support Qwik's view of Lathum.


-Anxiety

[path12]

I also know that Anxiety wanders at night...



Anxiety, confirm or deny?

[Abe Sargent]

Neither

[Qwikshot]

Anxiety, confirm or deny?


Let me just preface by saying that I'm not after Anxiety. I believe him to be clean, but I know Lathum is not.

I'm not revealing anything else, though I know much more. I think I've stated enough to at least bring about dialogue.

[path12]

OK. I've got to go back and look at some posts later today then.

Qwik, are you vouching that Anxiety is good?

[path12]

Dola, I guess you are when you say you believe him to be clean. Would help for me to read the entire post.

[Qwikshot]

Dola, I guess you are when you say you believe him to be clean. Would help for me to read the entire post.

We're already going multiple paths (mind the pun) and I didn't want to divulge information, but once it was revealed who Chubby was, and the fact that I saw him talking with Lathum. Well I knew it wasn't about a pyramid revitaliziation project...

I don't think we need at this time to press about Anxiety, we need to focus on Lathum...he's the danger, we can focus on the other suspicious ones (including myself) after Lathum.

I only reinterate why I'm doing this is because he is such a danger.

[Abe Sargent]

I'm comfortable with the press lathum strategy. I also like looking at king.

-Anxiety

[Qwikshot]

I'm comfortable with the press lathum strategy. I also like looking at king.

-Anxiety

I'm amenable to that but I believe that this first needs attention because if I'm wrong, then I'm first target for lynch tomorrow, and I have a feeling that if I don't follow through that I will be dead tonight by Lathum or one of his cohorts...I really believe he is the reason for blade's demise...and I'm still not sure what's going on with saldana.

My circle of trust has always been path, tyrith, saldana and you are welcome to join it. I know you all don't fully comprise the same feelings, but it is true that I know you are genuine in preserving the Egyptian way of life.

[path12]

Qwik and Anxiety -- my problem right now is trying to piece together roles for the two of you that would allow Qwik to know that Lathum and Chubby were talking and that Anxiety walks at night.......and you both be good.

I see no role offhand that allows you to listen in on Chubby/Lathum.

It comes down to what Barkeep said -- where are the advantages for the bad guys? It can't just be sheer numbers.

[Qwikshot]

Qwik and Anxiety -- my problem right now is trying to piece together roles for the two of you that would allow Qwik to know that Lathum and Chubby were talking and that Anxiety walks at night.......and you both be good.

I see no role offhand that allows you to listen in on Chubby/Lathum.

It comes down to what Barkeep said -- where are the advantages for the bad guys? It can't just be sheer numbers.

Instead of piecing together the roles, you need to look beyond them. Lathum is not what he claims to be and he is a threat to you. I'm positive he killed blade, and stricken saldana...we need to truly verify that saldana is dying.

I know what I know. There are question marks for a lot of people, but this is the final stages. You had good judgement with chubby, what do I have to gain, why would I implicate lathum now, why of all the other people with so many more tantilizing or easy choices did I single out lathum, I could have just as easily picked king, or tangle, or vince, all in the same boat as me in characteristics in play (schmidty was the same way until his role reveal).

Lathum is dangerous to you path, and to all the Egyptians...

[SnDvls]

what the hell we still have numbers right.

Vote Lathum

[path12]

what the hell we still have numbers right.

Vote Lathum

Sn, I'd be interested in your take on all this.

[Swaggs]

This just got interesting again. :)

[Qwikshot]

I'm heading out of work and I have a dentist appointment, I'll be back to answer any further questions to the best of my ability...I'm not backing down though.

[SnDvls]

Sn, I'd be interested in your take on all this.

I really don't have a take, just a vote for now.

[SnDvls]

dola

I'll probally move it 6 times today too

[Vince]

Jesus. So someone I'm not sold on as being good just completely and totally damns someone I supposedly trust, and now I have no idea what is going on.

Qwik, how do you account for Lathum raising the Avatar? I'm fairly certain that Fouts knew that Lathum raised him, and admitted such (I'm going to go back to look at posts to confirm this, but I'm about 99% sure this is the case). If that is the case, how can you be so sure that he is bad?

[kingfc22]

Wow. My head is spinning right now. Barkeep was a fanatic? I would take that to mean Alan was searching for Vince. I highly doubt he would have tried to attempt a solo kill on his own at that stage in the game. Just doesn't make sense for a nec to do that. Especially after a failed attempt on pass and path.

[Abe Sargent]

Remember, Barkeep was just a fanatic. He was the one who really stoo up for Lathum. How does a fanatic get that kind of information?

-Anxiety

[Vince]

Well, after my initial gaffe in being totally surprised that Alan attacked me, it made sense that he would be looking for me as a bad guy (he did say that he suspected me after all). I still think that the Elite Guard was the one to off Alan (the rules don't mention when a Fanatic's kill is resolved), though I am aware that this doesn't clear me, and is just a shrewd move on the Guard's part. What I'm not sure of is who was protected last night...

And isn't Dubb out of viewings? He cleared SnDvls and then used one on Lathum...I thought he only had 2 scans?

[Vince]

Pharaoh, I've always deemed you good, but I know there is far more evil out there than the ruling class and the necros...

I also know that Anxiety wanders at night...

How did you think I knew Coffee and Tyrith to be good?

I'm with Path here...I can't see any possible role that would give you this information, and hoops was adamant about the lack of hidden roles in the game. On top of this, Tyrith isn't proven good yet (though not many people seem to suspect him). The only role I could possibly think of to give you information like this would be if you were the Elite Guard and you tried to defend Anxiety...but then how would you find out about the supposed Chubby/Lathum conversation? It seems like that's a vastly overpowered role then. We're getting late enough in the game that I think us peons deserve a bit more information before we blindly follow you around. With no Guard being killed, and no Guard revealed yet, you know that you can be protected (and every night if we need it...path can order him around), so what are you worried about coming out for? Unless you're being obtuse to pressure Lathum, I'm not very happy with this secrecy at this point in the game.

[Vince]

Anxiety, what do you feel about Qwik -- he did just vouch for you.

[Abe Sargent]

I like Qwik better now than I did this morning. I still think King has a higher chance of being dirty than anyone else.

Voting for Schmidty is a red flag for me, unless you are in my COT. That leaves Lathum and King. I think King is more likely a Nec, and Lathum is obviously the prophecy.

For those who don't remember, Tuesday is date night here. I'll be leaving in an hour or so. I'm willing to consider voting for king or Lathum, but I'll hold off for now.

-Anxiety

[kingfc22]

I like Qwik better now than I did this morning. I still think King has a higher chance of being dirty than anyone else.

Voting for Schmidty is a red flag for me, unless you are in my COT. That leaves Lathum and King. I think King is more likely a Nec, and Lathum is obviously the prophecy.

For those who don't remember, Tuesday is date night here. I'll be leaving in an hour or so. I'm willing to consider voting for king or Lathum, but I'll hold off for now.

-Anxiety

I still stand by my vote yesterday. Right now it seems that anybody with a low post count is a target (me, tyrith, schmidty, tangle, vince, qwik). I think that is everyone.

I still like the odds that Schmidty is a nec on the ruling class. His high priest role is even less likely now that we know we had 2 fanatics. How is this game balanced if we get an EG, 2 fanatcis, a good pharoah with a duke power, mystic , all the members of the ruling class, a soothsayer and a prophecy that can also raise avatars???

Just doesn't add up IMO.

[Tyrith]

Barkeep hinted pretty much as strong as he could that Alan wasn't making an attack on Vince. Barkeep didn't want to shout his role from the rooftops but left us a big fat hint there. I absolutely cannot believe barkeep took his fanatic power to the grave with him. He killed Alan, I'm sure of it.

Personally, I don't see any reason to kill Lathum _now_. We either should have done it a couple of days ago or we should let it go until he does something else flagrantly aggressive. Unlike back then we have actual other suspects. Lathum raised an avatar meaning that at worst he's against them as much as against us. While the mean part of me still wants to get him killed for revenge it's just not smart at all. We have an actual suspect list now.

On that note, I'm sticking to the list for now.

VOTE KINGFC22

[Vince]

Personally, I'd rather hear more from Qwik before we start voting off Lathum. With Barkeep gone, the figurehead of our circle of trust/really talkative guy is out of the picture, and with all the suspicion running around these parts, I can see us scrambling a bit and the bad guys gaining ground. Now is the perfect time for the bad guys to go after Lathum if he really is good.

[Vince]

king is high enough on my distrust list to vote for, but Qwik's actions are screaming 'odd' to me.

[Tyrith]

I still stand by my vote yesterday. Right now it seems that anybody with a low post count is a target (me, tyrith, schmidty, tangle, vince, qwik). I think that is everyone.

I still like the odds that Schmidty is a nec on the ruling class. His high priest role is even less likely now that we know we had 2 fanatics. How is this game balanced if we get an EG, 2 fanatcis, a good pharoah with a duke power, mystic , all the members of the ruling class, a soothsayer and a prophecy that can also raise avatars???

Just doesn't add up IMO.

It isn't a question of post count. Anxiety is also suspected and me and him are both pretty high up the post list, and Vince and Qwik aren't really quiet. This just seems like targeting the people who there are no support for.

I don't know about schmidty anymore. It just doesn't make any sense for me. I don't think it's insane to think we're still facing three necros, which opens up weird trios like path/schmidty/x, schmidty/tangle/x, and other things that kinda blow up my trust list a little. But right now I'm not in a big rush to go down that road.

[kingfc22]

I really want to hear from qwik before I vote since I have to leave for work in less than an hour.

[path12]

How is this game balanced if we get an EG, 2 fanatcis, a good pharoah with a duke power, mystic , all the members of the ruling class, a soothsayer and a prophecy that can also raise avatars???

Just doesn't add up IMO.

This is the big question right now IMO.

[path12]

I agree with Tyrith about Lathum. I haven't seen any overt moves against us and until we do I don't know that it's a good idea -- besides, we don't know what capabilities the prophecy has, and lynching him might have consequences we're not aware of.

Can someone explain to me or point out how Barkeeps death means that Alan was not attacking Vince? I know it's likely right in front of my face, but I'm having problems with the connection.

[Tyrith]

Because the fanatics didn't do us any actual good this game. We lost TWO guys to a fanatic in exchange for killing one bad guy. Our mystic may have been booby-trapped from the beginning -- some prophecy thing? Ruling class aren't powerful roles. Prophecy probably has an alt. win condition -- and yes, I still think it's Lathum, it's just that killing him isn't in OUR win condition just yet. And a duke power on someone that won't have to use it to shield themselves is just a vote jacking without the pharaoh having any actual knowledge. Head necro got something like two free kills through disease, plus silence, plus whatever. Not to mention that we got quite lucky to get to this stage -- what if Bek is a good guy?

[hoopsguy]

King, Post #3092:
How is this game balanced

I would love to answer that question :) But it is something that I hope people are thinking about for post-game discussion, whenever that comes about.

[Tyrith]

I agree with Tyrith about Lathum. I haven't seen any overt moves against us and until we do I don't know that it's a good idea -- besides, we don't know what capabilities the prophecy has, and lynching him might have consequences we're not aware of.

Can someone explain to me or point out how Barkeeps death means that Alan was not attacking Vince? I know it's likely right in front of my face, but I'm having problems with the connection.

Directly, it doesn't. But barkeep kept hinting at it in a manner that makes me think he might have known. Also, a solo kill attempt against a random, uncleared player is an iffy move at best. So while we don't KNOW Alan wasn't attacking Vince circumstances just make it seem unlikely.

[Abe Sargent]

Barkeep hinted pretty much as strong as he could that Alan wasn't making an attack on Vince. Barkeep didn't want to shout his role from the rooftops but left us a big fat hint there. I absolutely cannot believe barkeep took his fanatic power to the grave with him. He killed Alan, I'm sure of it.

Personally, I don't see any reason to kill Lathum _now_. We either should have done it a couple of days ago or we should let it go until he does something else flagrantly aggressive. Unlike back then we have actual other suspects. Lathum raised an avatar meaning that at worst he's against them as much as against us. While the mean part of me still wants to get him killed for revenge it's just not smart at all. We have an actual suspect list now.

On that note, I'm sticking to the list for now.

VOTE KINGFC22


I agree, let's leave Lathum alone for now.

Vote Kingfc22

[SnDvls]

just thought of something to throw out there.

Path....what are your win options?

[SnDvls]

I agree with Tyrith about Lathum. I haven't seen any overt moves against us and until we do I don't know that it's a good idea -- besides, we don't know what capabilities the prophecy has, and lynching him might have consequences we're not aware of.

Can someone explain to me or point out how Barkeeps death means that Alan was not attacking Vince? I know it's likely right in front of my face, but I'm having problems with the connection.


Barkeep was a fanatiac...he killed Alan thus getting a necro and not haveing to kill himslef ala CW and Pass.

[Abe Sargent]

I still stand by my vote yesterday. Right now it seems that anybody with a low post count is a target (me, tyrith, schmidty, tangle, vince, qwik). I think that is everyone.



By me? Tyrith isn't on my list. Schmidty hasn't been all day long. I'm considering bumping Qwik up for now.

BTW, look at how the Necs have been, and you can't blame us. Chubby, AlanT, Bek, bulletsponge. These four did not post prolificly.

-Anxiety

[SnDvls]

By me? Tyrith isn't on my list. Schmidty hasn't been all day long. I'm considering bumping Qwik up for now.

BTW, look at how the Necs have been, and you can't blame us. Chubby, AlanT, Bek, bulletsponge. These four did not post prolificly.

-Anxiety

A few of them got very offended once we started voting for them as well...like a few of the people who are left have done. And it's not a regular "I'm playing a game" offended it's a personal attack offended.

[Abe Sargent]

True

[Tyrith]

Alan was actually second on the post list for most of the game, and Chubby was in the same area as Anxiety, Sndvls, and later me until he had to take those couple of days off. And bullet wasn't exactly quiet, either.

[Abe Sargent]

Fair enough. I should have used the term - posted well, not prolificly.

-Anxiety

[kingfc22]

I still would like to vote schmidty since I think the odds are strong that he is bad. Probably one of the reasons we had a tie yesterday was due to the possibility that it was between two bad guys that probably didn't know each other. Would have made a lot of sense to save the head necro, but they still might have had a splintered group. 2-3 knowing each other and chubby out on his own.

[hoopsguy]

OK, looking to get some feedback from people on game schedules for the 4th of July weekend. I'm assuming that we are off for the weekend, just like we always are in these games. And I would expect that we are probably off for the 3rd and 4th as people are taking vacations.

1. Do we need to call a halt to play earlier than a 9PM CST Day 10 deadline on Friday?
2. Can we start up again on Wednesday, July 5th?

Please make sure to comment on this, either in this thread or via PM so I can set a schedule that is going to work for the vast majority of the players. I don't want an extended outage but I also don't want the game determined by people's vacation schedules after 3,000+ posts of good play over the last two weeks.

[path12]

just thought of something to throw out there.

Path....what are your win options?

I was given no specific win conditions with my role, just that the role was public. As far as I'm concerned if the Egyptians win I win.

[Tyrith]

OK, looking to get some feedback from people on game schedules for the 4th of July weekend. I'm assuming that we are off for the weekend, just like we always are in these games. And I would expect that we are probably off for the 3rd and 4th as people are taking vacations.

1. Do we need to call a halt to play earlier than a 9PM CST Day 10 deadline on Friday?
2. Can we start up again on Wednesday, July 5th?

Please make sure to comment on this, either in this thread or via PM so I can set a schedule that is going to work for the vast majority of the players. I don't want an extended outage but I also don't want the game determined by people's vacation schedules after 3,000+ posts of good play over the last two weeks.

Kinda hoping to have won the game by then. :)

[SnDvls]

I was given no specific win conditions with my role, just that the role was public. As far as I'm concerned if the Egyptians win I win.

okay good I forgot about the public role thing actually

[Vince]

I agree with Tyrith about Lathum. I haven't seen any overt moves against us and until we do I don't know that it's a good idea -- besides, we don't know what capabilities the prophecy has, and lynching him might have consequences we're not aware of.

Can someone explain to me or point out how Barkeeps death means that Alan was not attacking Vince? I know it's likely right in front of my face, but I'm having problems with the connection.

I think they're saying that Barkeep used his fanatic power to kill Alan, but I don't know how that affects what he was doing outside my door. Considering he had a knife, I'd assume he wasn't "Looking for Necromancers."

[Abe Sargent]

Ditto ;)

[path12]

I still would like to vote schmidty since I think the odds are strong that he is bad. Probably one of the reasons we had a tie yesterday was due to the possibility that it was between two bad guys that probably didn't know each other. Would have made a lot of sense to save the head necro, but they still might have had a splintered group. 2-3 knowing each other and chubby out on his own.

I'm really just not seeing a reason to go Schmidty today.

[SnDvls]

so are we only looking at lathum and qwik today then?

[Vince]

I think they're saying that Barkeep used his fanatic power to kill Alan, but I don't know how that affects what he was doing outside my door. Considering he had a knife, I'd assume he wasn't "Looking for Necromancers."

Don't you hate it when you don't realize there's another page of posts? Doh.

[Abe Sargent]

Since there have been votes cast against King, SnDvls, I'd say no.

-Anxiety

[SnDvls]

dola -

I think that is actually a good route to go.

the necros haven't had a kill yet. let's start today with two palyers and lynching one. if he's not a necro it goes to the next palyer and someone else.
I really believe the egyptians have the numbers right now to do this and win.

[Vince]

so are we only looking at lathum and qwik today then?

Seems like king is a pretty popular candidate too...but we don't have much on him other than "he's quiet." Supposedly, he has hinted about his role, but I haven't picked up on it. Maybe it's time to do some digging...the sheer size of this thread is daunting, though.

[SnDvls]

oaky are we going king & lathum or king and qwik then?

[SnDvls]

anyone got a vote recap?

[Abe Sargent]

Seems like king is a pretty popular candidate too...but we don't have much on him other than "he's quiet." Supposedly, he has hinted about his role, but I haven't picked up on it. Maybe it's time to do some digging...the sheer size of this thread is daunting, though.


And he voted for Schmidity yesterday. I explain why I think that's telling earlier.

[Vince]

Hey, so other than Ctrl-F and searching for a poster's name, is there an easier way to search only this thread for posts by a certain user?

[kingfc22]

so are we only looking at lathum and qwik today then?

I have to go to work now which always sucks when you are a lynch candidate.

I wish Qwik was here to post more about what he claims to know so that I could get a better grip on the situation. As for now.

Vote Lathum

I think he has been playing us the whole game.

[SnDvls]

there are 12 players left correct

we all assumed there were 4 necros to start...well 4 are dead and we're still playing so I would guess 2 more.

that's 6 to start the game or 27% I can buy that number given the disadvantage they stated with.

of the 12 players left I think everyone would rule out path...most people would have at least 2-4 more people they feel are good...correct?

so that brings us to 8...of them 2 are bad.

let's start lining them up and killing them off...today

[SnDvls]

unvote lathum

[Abe Sargent]

I never assumed there were four Necs. "We All" does not include me :)

[hoopsguy]

Here is what I have for votes as of Post #3131:

Lathum - Qwikshot (3045), King (3128)
Qwikshot - Saldana (3048), Lathum (3050)
King - Tyrith (3093), Anxiety (3103)

[SnDvls]

ok thanks

voe qwikshot

[SnDvls]

dola

vote qwikshot

correct spelling

[Vince]

Aside from the fact that I'm in that group of 8 and don't like that idea by default, if we're wrong on any of our 'trusted' people, we're screwed. I think we can go about this in a better way.

I really wish Qwik were here to elaborate...

It seems we're probably going to lose saldana today/tonight (disease), we might be facing another kill, and if we lynch a good guy, we could go from 10-2 or 11-1 to 7-2 or 8-1. Pretty dramatic swing there.

My updated trust list...

Dead:
Bek (Initiate)
bulletsponge
Alan T
Chubby (Head Necromancer)

Passacaglia (Ruling Class)
st. cronin (Explorer)
Coffee Warlord (Ruling Class/Fanatic)
Blade (Mystic)
Swaggs (Ruling Class)
Fouts (Avatar)
Barkeep (Fanatic)

Alive:
kingfc22
Anxiety
Qwikshot
Tanglewood
Tyrith

Schmidty
Vince
Lathum

Dubb
SnDvls
Saldana
Path

Tyrith was awful quick to jump off my bandwagon, and I'm still not sure why. At this point, there's really only two groups...those people I trust, and those people I don't. And to be honest, paranoia is starting to get the best of me, as I'm not so sure I trust those on my trust list anymore.

[Qwikshot]

Jesus. So someone I'm not sold on as being good just completely and totally damns someone I supposedly trust, and now I have no idea what is going on.

Qwik, how do you account for Lathum raising the Avatar? I'm fairly certain that Fouts knew that Lathum raised him, and admitted such (I'm going to go back to look at posts to confirm this, but I'm about 99% sure this is the case). If that is the case, how can you be so sure that he is bad?


So you believe he raised Fouts? How sure are you about that, and even if he did, how sure are you that it would have benefited you?

[Vince]

Where did Lathum go? I'd like to hear more of a rebuttal to Qwik's accusations, as well.

[stevew]

Me too.

[Qwikshot]

Because the fanatics didn't do us any actual good this game. We lost TWO guys to a fanatic in exchange for killing one bad guy. Our mystic may have been booby-trapped from the beginning -- some prophecy thing? Ruling class aren't powerful roles. Prophecy probably has an alt. win condition -- and yes, I still think it's Lathum, it's just that killing him isn't in OUR win condition just yet. And a duke power on someone that won't have to use it to shield themselves is just a vote jacking without the pharaoh having any actual knowledge. Head necro got something like two free kills through disease, plus silence, plus whatever. Not to mention that we got quite lucky to get to this stage -- what if Bek is a good guy?

This is our last chance to protect path, lathum will take him down and the others with him...I cannot stress how dangerous he is...I've gone from covert to overt because he's gone to be very strong...think about it, he was dealing with the head necromancer...it is a series of checks and balances...the head necromancer is gone now, there is nothing to keep him in check...

[Vince]

So you believe he raised Fouts? How sure are you about that, and even if he did, how sure are you that it would have benefited you?

Well, the Avatar's only function is to help the good guys, and that's why I think he's good. Here's the two posts that convinced me that Lathum summoned the Avatar...they were BOTH posted at 3:09 PM on Day 5, so unless they have some kind of spooky luck to be around at the same time, they were communicating in some way, or Fouts knew that Lathum summoned him. The two posts:ok, I didn't want to do this but...

I am basicly a normal villegar but I have a small role. I am a scavenger and I have the option of twice during the game to loot the possesions of the person who was just killed. I couldn't help but loot blades possesions and without directly quoting my PM i found his notes. They were open to the third page of a spell and I was given the option to complete the spell with 66% success, if I failed I would have been cursed and only had 3 days to live. I figured I may as well try it, hence fouts.

when he returnd from lunch I'm sure he will tell you it was I who sumoned him Lathum knows I'm good, because Lathum summoned me.

I remember this, because they posted it at almost exactly the same time that I was voting for Dubb because I was very suspicious, paranoid and confused about what was going on. Care to tell me again how Lathum could be a bad guy and do that for us?

[Qwikshot]

I'm really just not seeing a reason to go Schmidty today.


Schmidty is clean...Lathum wants him dead, I do not know why.

[Qwikshot]

Well, the Avatar's only function is to help the good guys, and that's why I think he's good. Here's the two posts that convinced me that Lathum summoned the Avatar...they were BOTH posted at 3:09 PM on Day 5, so unless they have some kind of spooky luck to be around at the same time, they were communicating in some way, or Fouts knew that Lathum summoned him. The two posts:

I remember this, because they posted it at almost exactly the same time that I was voting for Dubb because I was very suspicious, paranoid and confused about what was going on. Care to tell me again how Lathum could be a bad guy and do that for us?


Lathum is not good...the Avatar would serve whoever raised him...You are so wrong about this. The avatar if raised by Lathum, would still serve to Lathum's purposes not the Egyptian....why would I expose myself like this...I was fine playing quiet...so you have to ask yourself, what advantage does this bring to me to do all of this...

Will you cast the doubt aside, and understand that this is bigger than you imagined?

[Vince]

Private Roles - Egyptians: ... Avatar (does not start in game, new FOFC member when introduced): Lives for a max of three days. Cannot be a night kill. Night action includes a guard action.

So it cannot be killed at night, and can protect people, and is on the roster for the good guys in the rules. What about this is a bad thing? I have no idea why you would expose yourself like this, and I'd like to hear a good reason. Like I said, I doubt there are a ton of bad guys left, and we SHOULD still have an elite guard left (is there any possibility there wasn't one to begin with? That might be the balancing factor in the game...), so you shouldn't be worried so much about your role being revealed at this point. I'm having a hard time blindly following you when just about everything that Lathum has done points to "good guy."

[Qwikshot]

So it cannot be killed at night, and can protect people, and is on the roster for the good guys in the rules. What about this is a bad thing? I have no idea why you would expose yourself like this, and I'd like to hear a good reason. Like I said, I doubt there are a ton of bad guys left, and we SHOULD still have an elite guard left (is there any possibility there wasn't one to begin with? That might be the balancing factor in the game...), so you shouldn't be worried so much about your role being revealed at this point. I'm having a hard time blindly following you when just about everything that Lathum has done points to "good guy."

You are blind then...kill me...really, I can't help you then.

[Vince]

So far, just about everyone who has "known" something, yet been reluctant to reveal it, has been correct. I might be digging my own grave by being suspicious here, but damned if I'm not a paranoid bastard :)

[Qwikshot]

Seriously, you guys want to hunt necros, yet I found out that Lathum was talking to the head necro and it's like heads in the sand...huh, what, don't understand how can he be bad...huh wha, he may be too powerful, there might be repurcussions....huh wha, he's not a necro, then he can't be all bad...

yet you discount blade's death, and has anyone seen saldana, is he alive or dead? These weren't done by chubby, I'm sure of it...

just wake up and open your eyes...

[Qwikshot]

Anxiety, did I not provide enough information about you to at least support the notion that I may be telling the truth?!?

[Qwikshot]

Because I will say this, any voting other than Lathum or myself is pussying out and should be up for suspicion.

[Vince]

Ok, so running with the ball that Qwikshot is trying to hand me...do you have any suspicion of Dubb? Dubb claims that Lathum believed that he was helping the villagers' cause. Could we be looking at more than 2 more bad guys?

[Vince]

I'm starting to lean towards trusting Qwikshot. The play makes no sense for a bad guy at this stage in the game. I'm having a hard time believing there's more than 2 necromancers left, and with that being the case, a play like this is suicide if it's a lie. Anyone else have an opinion on this?

[Qwikshot]

Ok, so running with the ball that Qwikshot is trying to hand me...do you have any suspicion of Dubb? Dubb claims that Lathum believed that he was helping the villagers' cause. Could we be looking at more than 2 more bad guys?

Dubb prove this, or believe this? Lathum is skirting around the chubby acusation, he won't confirm it because it'll damn him into the evil party, and he won't deny it on the grounds that dubb would scan him to see if he was being truthful (which he wouldn't be)...I got him, and you guys are gonna let him slip away...christ, you can kill me tomorrow if he comes up good...but he WON'T!

[Vince]

By the way, if there are only two more bad guys left, and they are Dubb and Lathum, I expect a HUGE apology from anyone who discounted my conspiracy theories, which would then be 66% true.

[Vince]

Dubb prove this, or believe this? Lathum is skirting around the chubby acusation, he won't confirm it because it'll damn him into the evil party, and he won't deny it on the grounds that dubb would scan him to see if he was being truthful (which he wouldn't be)...I got him, and you guys are gonna let him slip away...christ, you can kill me tomorrow if he comes up good...but he WON'T!

Huh? Dubb has no more scans (unless he's been lying as well).

[path12]

Hey, so other than Ctrl-F and searching for a poster's name, is there an easier way to search only this thread for posts by a certain user?

Advanced search, put in the name you want, and go for threads with over 2500 replies selected by posts.

Clunky, but effective.

[Vince]

Dola -- Dubb claims that he used his soothsayer role on one of Lathum's statements that he is only around to help out the villagers, and the result came back that he was telling the truth.

[Vince]

Advanced search, put in the name you want, and go for threads with over 2500 replies selected by posts.

Clunky, but effective.

Thanks path.

Any thoughts on the current situation? I'm pretty much lost right now, and you're one of the people I trust (though I'm on your suspicious list, jerk :)).

[path12]

Right now I'm kind of waiting to hear from Lathum. Qwik is making a sort of compelling argument, and we might be able to absorb a wrong guess. I'm also interested if saldana is gonna spontaneously combust today or not.

And yeah, you're on my list but it's nothing personal. ;)

[path12]

Dola, I also want to go back through Qwik's posts, but I've been busier than I'd like and am in and out here right now.

[Vince]

Ok, I'm going to go away for a while, and think. One last question for Qwik before I leave...

If we assume Dubb to be telling the truth, he is out of scans. He has also claimed that Lathum was not lying about being on the side of the good guys. Qwik, do you believe Dubb is lying?

[path12]

Dola, I also want to go back through Qwik's posts, but I've been busier than I'd like and am in and out here right now.

Specifically the ones the day Lathum/Fouts were up for lynch.

[path12]

I'm kind of confused and overwhelmed by the sheer volume to go over.

First off, I'm amazed that Fouts was an avatar; and while Lathum was fighting to keep him alive that somehow was bringing him to suspicion...moreso after proof that Fouts was an avatar?!?
Another baddie was slaughtered at night outside of Vince's abode, yet Vince has no knowledge of this. So do we have another vigilante? Was Vince protected? Or something else?

I got barkeep in my CoT. I think if anything Lathum gets a vote of confidence to me because of his dedication to preserving Fouts and proof that his chief opponent was Alan T who ultimately was proven to be a necro. path is pharoah so I would think he would be against the necromancers and thus, good.


Qwik, what happened between yesterday morning and today to cause your switch on Lathum?

[saldana]

Right now I'm kind of waiting to hear from Lathum. Qwik is making a sort of compelling argument, and we might be able to absorb a wrong guess. I'm also interested if saldana is gonna spontaneously combust today or not.

And yeah, you're on my list but it's nothing personal. ;)


as far as i know, nothing has changed in my condition, i was told i would die on day 7, but i dont know when, so i guess i will try and offer any insights i may have.

i am inclined to believe qwik....something about everything lathum has done has been very suspicous and deceptive. no where has he actually come out and said "yes, i am the prophecy" even though he has been asked directly several times, including once by me. (btw, he said he was out for work and wouldnt be in today, so dont expect his answer anytime soon). in fact, as recent as the last page, he says "if i were the prophecy".

i also belive he killed blade....if blade had been given the same disease i have, he would have known about it just like i do, and i am sure he would have said something. i am gonna give qwik the benefit of the doubt for now

unvote qwikshot
vote lathum

[path12]

#2417 Bolded by me.

Okay...I'm not moving off Fouts, for one reason and one reason only...

There hasn't been a night kill attributed to the baddies...I don't think they're as large in number as we thought. I think they're still trying to find each other...

The botched attacks were lone assassins, and one lost his knife, so I'm guessing he may have lost the ability to attack further.

The disease attack on Blade shows the desperation, the head nec went blindly after a veteren player.

The mummy is the most logical choice because we assume there is one seer, it's not that all of us are baddies, it just seems so blatantly obvious that Fouts is the mummy because of the evidence.

So we got a pissing match for pro and con of keeping Fouts, but if Fouts is a mummy, we know someone will die tonight because the mummy will kill someone.

If Fouts isn't the mummy, then I will take that gamble because, it still means that the baddies are splintered.

Doesn't it strike anyone odd the number of nights now without a successful kill, I wake up and worry every morning and grow more and more alarmed...maybe Bek, bullet and just the head baddie...we may be better off than we think?

But I'm not moving off Fouts, it seems too obvious who and what he is, and what his intentions are.

But now there is far more evil than I imagine?

[path12]

saldana, I'm not against voting for Lathum by any stretch for the reasons you state. My main concern is possible unknown ramifications for lynching the prophecy.

I am interested to hear what happened exactly that made Qwik change his tune about Lathum so suddenly.

[hoopsguy]

Heading home from work, vote count as of Post #3164:

Lathum - Qwikshot (3045), King (3128), Saldana (3162)
Qwikshot - Lathum (3050), SnDvls (3134)
King - Tyrith (3093), Anxiety (3103)

[saldana]

saldana, I'm not against voting for Lathum by any stretch for the reasons you state. My main concern is possible unknown ramifications for lynching the prophecy.

I am interested to hear what happened exactly that made Qwik change his tune about Lathum so suddenly.

and i'm not sold on not voting for qwik, but since i am not even sure if my vote is gonna count, and if it does, it will be my last one, i decided to put it on the guy that i know isnt being on the level with us....if he truly is a good guy, why is lathum being so deceptive...that to me isnt something some one on our side should be doing.

[saldana]

dola, i am interested in qwik's answers as well

[Vince]

Qwik isn't exactly being forthcoming about what is going on.

[Schmidty]

A few of them got very offended once we started voting for them as well...like a few of the people who are left have done. And it's not a regular "I'm playing a game" offended it's a personal attack offended.

Are you sure about that?

[Tyrith]

Sigh, I said Lathum was a lying bastard two days ago with great evidence to back me up and no one would listen. :(

[Schmidty]

I still would like to vote schmidty since I think the odds are strong that he is bad. Probably one of the reasons we had a tie yesterday was due to the possibility that it was between two bad guys that probably didn't know each other. Would have made a lot of sense to save the head necro, but they still might have had a splintered group. 2-3 knowing each other and chubby out on his own.

Your logic is very faulty. You're reaching in order to cover your own badguy ass.

If I'm wrong, I will apologize, but for now:

Vote kingfc

[Lathum]

again I ask. How have I been deceptive? I voucjed for the avarat and outed alanT, both helpfull to the villegars winning, which is my winning condition. If you need any more proof I will give it to you.

UNVOTE QWIK
VOTE KING

I am 100% king is bad. I am unvoting the person who is gunning for me the most to vote someone who I am positive is a necro. I repeat POSITIVE. Lynch King and you'll see I am on the same side as the villegars. If I am wrong then you are free to lynch me tomorrow and I won't say a word.

[Vince]

Damn. Three horse race, and it could go in any direction. All three of the candidates are on my list of people I don't trust. I think today we go for one of the Qwik/Lathum duo, and based upon the result, we go for the other. I can't help but be suspicious of Qwik, especially after the info that Path dug up. Combine this with the fact that I think Lathum is trustworthy...this is subject to change upon new information coming to light, but for now:

Vote Qwikshot

[Lathum]

dola- really bad spelling, sorry.

[Vince]

Lathum, what is it with you and posting things that change my mind at exactly the same time as I post something? Sheesh.

Unvote Qwikshot
Vote kingfc22

[Lathum]

vince, trust me on this one. Vote for King

[saldana]

at this point, i am wondering if a massive role reveal wouldnt put us into a great position:

1. Barkeep49 - Fanatic , killed Night 6
2. Passacaglia - Ruling Class, killed Night 4
3. Schmidty
4. path12 - Pharoah
5. Anxiety
6. Cronin - Explorer, lynched Day 2
7. Dubb - Soothsayer
8. AlanT - Necromancer, killed Night 5
9. Saldana - enchanter
10. SnDvls - cleared by soothsayer
11. Lathum
12. Coffee Warlord - Ruling Class Fanatic, killed himself Night 4
13. bulletsponge - Necromancer, lynched Day 4
14. Qwikshot
15. Tyrith
16. Bek - Necromancer Initiate, lynched Day 3
17. Blade6119 - Mystic, Day kill Day 4
18. Swaggs - Ruling Class, lynched Day 1
19. Vince
20. Chubby - Head Necromancer, Magically Attuned, lynched Day 6
21. Tanglewood
22. Kingfc22
23. Fouts - Avatar, lynched Day 5

the guys in red are IMO confirmed good guys. that leaves 8 people still up in the air and we are relatively sure one is the prophecy which leaves 7 question marks...i cant imagine more than 2 of them are baddies, so if we all just spill it, there really isnt much of a chance they can get us before we get them.

[Lathum]

lol

[Vince]

So I have it at 4-3-1 now, kingfc22-Lathum-Qwikshot.

[Tyrith]

again I ask. How have I been deceptive? I voucjed for the avarat and outed alanT, both helpfull to the villegars winning, which is my winning condition. If you need any more proof I will give it to you.

UNVOTE QWIK
VOTE KING

I am 100% king is bad. I am unvoting the person who is gunning for me the most to vote someone who I am positive is a necro. I repeat POSITIVE. Lynch King and you'll see I am on the same side as the villegars. If I am wrong then you are free to lynch me tomorrow and I won't say a word.

You lied about your role, and have compounded that lie by lying about having made the first lie. And you may have opened the door for Qwikshot to do the same with his bogus crap, which is actually worse for us now. But note that I'm not coming back after you now.

[Vince]

lol

:)

[saldana]

again I ask. How have I been deceptive? I voucjed for the avarat and outed alanT, both helpfull to the villegars winning, which is my winning condition. If you need any more proof I will give it to you.

UNVOTE QWIK
VOTE KING

I am 100% king is bad. I am unvoting the person who is gunning for me the most to vote someone who I am positive is a necro. I repeat POSITIVE. Lynch King and you'll see I am on the same side as the villegars. If I am wrong then you are free to lynch me tomorrow and I won't say a word.

then answer the question....no "i am on the side of good" bullshit....

ARE YOU THE PROPHECY?

it only takes a one word answer (why do i feel like the judge in my cousin vinny?)

[Schmidty]

Ok, finally caught up. Maybe I voted king too soon (although I'm really suspicious still), because I'm leaning toward believing Qwik about Lathum.

Unvote kingfc

[Qwikshot]

Qwik, what happened between yesterday morning and today to cause your switch on Lathum?

Because I later found out that he was talking with Chubby. Why do you think there hasn't been a mummy?

I don't know if dubbs is lying, he may have read a line that held a grain of truth, or it was scanned before lathum committed to working with chubby, I don't know...I think he has more scans, /if/ he is what he says he is...

he scanned sun, he scanned lathum...I thought he had one left?

[Tyrith]

I have five for king (me, Vince, Anxiety, Schmidty, Lathum), three for lathum (king, qwik, saldana) and one for qwik (sndvls).

[Tyrith]

Because I later found out that he was talking with Chubby. Why do you think there hasn't been a mummy?

I don't know if dubbs is lying, he may have read a line that held a grain of truth, or it was scanned before lathum committed to working with chubby, I don't know...I think he has more scans, /if/ he is what he says he is...

he scanned sun, he scanned lathum...I thought he had one left?

Sorry, but until you go back onto the role list and tell me the name of your role that lets you know all this, I ain't buying.

[saldana]

Because I later found out that he was talking with Chubby. Why do you think there hasn't been a mummy?

I don't know if dubbs is lying, he may have read a line that held a grain of truth, or it was scanned before lathum committed to working with chubby, I don't know...I think he has more scans, /if/ he is what he says he is...

he scanned sun, he scanned lathum...I thought he had one left?

the only way to verify dubb is to lynch him or sun....if either of them is a bad guy, then so is the other, and so is lathum. and according to post 1 he only gets 2 scans for the length of the game.

[Qwikshot]

Your logic is very faulty. You're reaching in order to cover your own badguy ass.

If I'm wrong, I will apologize, but for now:

Vote kingfc


Schmidty I implore you to vote between me or lathum...let's keep the vote focused...king can be investigated tomorrow...I really want this dealt with tonight...if you feel the need to vote for king I won't argue against it, but I think it is far better served between lathum and myself.

[Vince]

Lathum (3) - Qwikshot (3045), King (3128), Saldana (3162)
Qwikshot (1) - SnDvls (3134)
King (5) - Tyrith (3093), Anxiety (3103), Schmidty (3171), Lathum (3172), Vince (3175)

Not yet voted: Tanglewood, path, Dubb.

[Vince]

Well, disregard that. As of #3189:

Lathum (3) - Qwikshot (3045), King (3128), Saldana (3162)
Qwikshot (1) - SnDvls (3134)
King (5) - Tyrith (3093), Anxiety (3103), Lathum (3172), Vince (3175)

Not yet voted: Tanglewood, path, Dubb, Schmidty (unvoted King)

[Qwikshot]

again I ask. How have I been deceptive? I voucjed for the avarat and outed alanT, both helpfull to the villegars winning, which is my winning condition. If you need any more proof I will give it to you.

UNVOTE QWIK
VOTE KING

I am 100% king is bad. I am unvoting the person who is gunning for me the most to vote someone who I am positive is a necro. I repeat POSITIVE. Lynch King and you'll see I am on the same side as the villegars. If I am wrong then you are free to lynch me tomorrow and I won't say a word.

Face me, are you 100% sure because chubby told you? How are you so positive?

[Vince]

Ok, finally caught up. Maybe I voted king too soon (although I'm really suspicious still), because I'm leaning toward believing Qwik about Lathum.

Unvote kingfc

Ack...why? I'm curious as to what people think of Path's digging on Qwik, because that's what has largely convinced me against him.

[Schmidty]

Sorry, but until you go back onto the role list and tell me the name of your role that lets you know all this, I ain't buying.

This quote from the rules could mean something about his "role" (or item):

"Additional items may be added leading up to start of game, or may remain unidentified in the rules."

[saldana]

qwik,

how could you have found out between last night and this morning that "lathum has been talking to chubby" when chubby died last evening?

youre information is delayed somehow?

[Vince]

Face me, are you 100% sure because chubby told you? How are you so positive?

What about you? What about the questions Path asked earlier? What caused your about face on Lathum?

[Qwikshot]

Lathum, what is it with you and posting things that change my mind at exactly the same time as I post something? Sheesh.

Unvote Qwikshot
Vote kingfc22

Vince, how does lathum know king is bad...only if he's involved with them...this is a desperation MOVE!

[saldana]

dola, YOUR information.....that is a typo, i am not that dumb

[Vince]

This quote from the rules could mean something about his "role" (or item):

"Additional items may be added leading up to start of game, or may remain unidentified in the rules."

Then why not mention an item? He said his role allowed him to hear things...deception at this point in the game isn't exactly a great way to garner trust. Earlier on, I can see deception as a tool to protect powerful roles (though I'm still a little unsure of why Lathum needed to be so deceitful), but now lies = major suspicion.

[Qwikshot]

qwik,

how could you have found out between last night and this morning that "lathum has been talking to chubby" when chubby died last evening?

youre information is delayed somehow?

I didn't read the PM till later, it was a busy week and day...

[Tyrith]

This quote from the rules could mean something about his "role" (or item):

"Additional items may be added leading up to start of game, or may remain unidentified in the rules."

The fact that he won't say ANYTHING makes me incredibly suspicious.

[Vince]

Vince, how does lathum know king is bad...only if he's involved with them...this is a desperation MOVE!

At this point, I don't care. If he wants to serve us up a necromancer on a platter, even if it's because he's a bad guy, I'm going to take it.

[saldana]

also, please note again that Lathum is ignoring the direct question.

[path12]

The nice thing about having the tiebreaker is not feeling like I have to get my vote in early. ;) Of course the bad thing is the chance of picking the wrong guy and losing the game. I prefer to not think about that option.

[Vince]

As is Qwikshot.

[Vince]

also, please note again that Lathum is ignoring the direct question.

Qwikshot is as well (that's what my previous post meant).

[Schmidty]

Then why not mention an item? He said his role allowed him to hear things...deception at this point in the game isn't exactly a great way to garner trust. Earlier on, I can see deception as a tool to protect powerful roles (though I'm still a little unsure of why Lathum needed to be so deceitful), but now lies = major suspicion.

Good points. I'm just trying to find a way to believe Qwik, because if he's telling the truth, it makes the game so much easier.

[dubb93]

Here are my thoughts. Lathum has seemed to be very helpful to our cause when he says he is 100% sure about something. He was 100% sure Fouts was the avatar and 100% sure Alan T was bad. Now he is 100% sure King is bad, and before any of this drama today that is where I was going to vote. Has Lathum been playing to in public and to Chubby and the nec in private?

He probably has. And that is how he is probably getting names. Giving Chubby favors for names. I may not like that, but it has been helpful to us, and with that said Chubby is now dead. I don't see how Lathum can play the side of the necs any more, so I'm going to follow his advice one last time and if he is wrong I'll lynch him tomorrow.

VOTE KINGFC22

[Qwikshot]

saldana, I'm not against voting for Lathum by any stretch for the reasons you state. My main concern is possible unknown ramifications for lynching the prophecy.

I am interested to hear what happened exactly that made Qwik change his tune about Lathum so suddenly.

the ramifications are unstopped if we /don't/ lynch him....what do you think will happen path, is he that powerful he can end the game either way? c'mon man!

[Tyrith]

You didn't read a PM? Even if you have only twenty seconds that seems like the absolute first thing you'd have to do besides put in a vote in a game where you have a seemingly important ability. This just screams utter BS right now.

[Qwikshot]

Qwikshot is as well (that's what my previous post meant).

WHICH F"ING QUESTION>>>THERE"S A MILLION OF THEM!

[path12]

also, please note again that Lathum is ignoring the direct question.

He's not alone.

[Vince]

I'm just trying to find a way to believe ANYBODY. No one wants to offer any more information than they already have, which absolutely baffles me. It's not like you can hide under the radar any more. There's only 12 of us left. After tonight, I'm guessing we're going to be down to 9 (saldana, lynch, night kill). What is there to hide at this point?

[dubb93]

I didn't read the PM till later, it was a busy week and day...

And I don't buy that at all. It's hard to ignore PM's when they send a pop up over your screen letting you know you have gotten one.

[Qwikshot]

You didn't read a PM? Even if you have only twenty seconds that seems like the absolute first thing you'd have to do besides put in a vote in a game where you have a seemingly important ability. This just screams utter BS right now.

Same thing was questioned when Pass got the PM about the dagger in late...sorries, but it happens.

[Qwikshot]

And I don't buy that at all. It's hard to ignore PM's when they send a pop up over your screen letting you know you have gotten one.

see my post about this...

[Schmidty]

Well, I guess this means that it's 100% sure that either Qwik or Lathum are bad. That narrows things down a lot. I still think kingfc is too though.

[Vince]

saldana, I'm not against voting for Lathum by any stretch for the reasons you state. My main concern is possible unknown ramifications for lynching the prophecy.

I am interested to hear what happened exactly that made Qwik change his tune about Lathum so suddenly.


the ramifications are unstopped if we /don't/ lynch him....what do you think will happen path, is he that powerful he can end the game either way? c'mon man!

This isn't exactly an answer to the question. What happened, Qwik?

[Qwikshot]

He's not alone.

How does anyone know anything...your destiny is in yours hands...are you the descendent of the sun god RA, or are you going to cower in Lathum's shadow...because then I'll just give my life to him, since he's already made you his bitch.

(:D humor here people, humor)

[Vince]

Did someone mention Lathum's at work? I keep seeing him in the "active users viewing this thread" list, and hoping he'll come say something.

[Tyrith]

I'm just trying to find a way to believe ANYBODY. No one wants to offer any more information than they already have, which absolutely baffles me. It's not like you can hide under the radar any more. There's only 12 of us left. After tonight, I'm guessing we're going to be down to 9 (saldana, lynch, night kill). What is there to hide at this point?

I'm going to follow Lathum, even if he has been hiding information. There's one thing that would fit everything perfectly and that makes killing king the super-right play. Worst case scenario is that we're helping him meet some inane win condition, but my gut tells me otherwise.

[dubb93]

.....Being Lathum's bitch has helped us out so far......If we had listened to him earlier we would still have an avatar AND it got us a nec.

[path12]

the ramifications are unstopped if we /don't/ lynch him....what do you think will happen path, is he that powerful he can end the game either way? c'mon man!

OK then, this is the one question I'd like you to answer, since you're hinting that you know.

What is going to happen tonight if we do not lynch Lathum? If it's just my death I don't think that's all that big a deal.....besides we have the EG around somewhere.

[Lathum]

Schmidty I implore you to vote between me or lathum...let's keep the vote focused...king can be investigated tomorrow...I really want this dealt with tonight...if you feel the need to vote for king I won't argue against it, but I think it is far better served between lathum and myself.
I couldn't disagree more. Vote for king and you will see I am 100% on the level. Like dubb said when I am sure I am sure. If I am wrong I am an obvious lynch candidate tomorrow.

[dubb93]

Anyone think that now that Chubby is dead the necs know they can't get any help from Lathum? And they need him dead b/c he can only work against them now? That is the only way I buy Qwik knowing that Chubby was talking to Lathum, he was a nec and was getting info from Chubby himself.

[Qwikshot]

[B]




This isn't exactly an answer to the question. What happened, Qwik?


Ask Lathum, he knows...I was out, like I said before...I caught Anxiety wandering outside, and another night, I caught Lathum and Chubby talking...that's it...

Jesus...I'll get paint up and draw you a diagram...

[Qwikshot]

I couldn't disagree more. Vote for king and you will see I am 100% on the level. Like dubb said when I am sure I am sure. If I am wrong I am an obvious lynch candidate tomorrow.

Right because you were dealing with necros, so you know who they are...

[path12]

How does anyone know anything...your destiny is in yours hands...are you the descendent of the sun god RA, or are you going to cower in Lathum's shadow...because then I'll just give my life to him, since he's already made you his bitch.

(:D humor here people, humor)

Screw destiny. I just like having servants. And the headdress is pretty cool.

[Vince]

Here are my thoughts. Lathum has seemed to be very helpful to our cause when he says he is 100% sure about something. He was 100% sure Fouts was the avatar and 100% sure Alan T was bad. Now he is 100% sure King is bad, and before any of this drama today that is where I was going to vote. Has Lathum been playing to in public and to Chubby and the nec in private?

He probably has. And that is how he is probably getting names. Giving Chubby favors for names. I may not like that, but it has been helpful to us, and with that said Chubby is now dead. I don't see how Lathum can play the side of the necs any more, so I'm going to follow his advice one last time and if he is wrong I'll lynch him tomorrow.

VOTE KINGFC22

This is why I'm going to leave my vote where it is. It would take a herculean effort for someone to pry my vote off of kingfc22, only because Lathum has been right every time he comes up with "I'm 100% sure." I'm more and more beginning to suspect Qwikshot of being bad, and somehow needing to get rid of Lathum to win. And wanting to get it done tonight, so that Lathum can't garner any more trust with a kill of kingfc22. If I had to guess right now, I'd say that Qwik and XXX (king?) are the final two necromancers...but Qwik's play today seems like a bad idea, since he was pretty much under the radar before he came out with all this stuff.

[Qwikshot]

.....Being Lathum's bitch has helped us out so far......If we had listened to him earlier we would still have an avatar AND it got us a nec.


He'll enjoy slitting your throat last then...won't he.

[Vince]

Screw destiny. I just like having servants. And the headdress is pretty cool.

Best. Post. Ever.

[Lathum]

Ask Lathum, he knows...I was out, like I said before...I caught Anxiety wandering outside, and another night, I caught Lathum and Chubby talking...that's it...

Jesus...I'll get paint up and draw you a diagram...
and again. What role allows this?

[Qwikshot]

This is why I'm going to leave my vote where it is. It would take a herculean effort for someone to pry my vote off of kingfc22, only because Lathum has been right every time he comes up with "I'm 100% sure." I'm more and more beginning to suspect Qwikshot of being bad, and somehow needing to get rid of Lathum to win. And wanting to get it done tonight, so that Lathum can't garner any more trust with a kill of kingfc22. If I had to guess right now, I'd say that Qwik and XXX (king?) are the final two necromancers...but Qwik's play today seems like a bad idea, since he was pretty much under the radar before he came out with all this stuff.


Right I was under the radar, why now would I come out...I wasn't under a great deal of suspicion...use YOUR HEAD!

[Vince]

Ask Lathum, he knows...I was out, like I said before...I caught Anxiety wandering outside, and another night, I caught Lathum and Chubby talking...that's it...

Jesus...I'll get paint up and draw you a diagram...

Why were you out?

[Qwikshot]

and again. What role allows this?


Because chubby was my brother...

[Qwikshot]

Best. Post. Ever.


You won't be if Lathum isn't lynched...trust me.

[Lathum]

dola, meeting some friends for dinner and I may not be back for the lynch. Like I said, king is a necro. Actuallty a necro initiate. If I am wrong lynch me tomorrow, allthought I have a feeling qwik will make sure I don't get that far. I may have done all I can do.

[Lathum]

Because chubby was my brother...
and how would this explain your knowledge of anxiety?

[Qwikshot]

I got all of chubby's scribblings after his death...he was involved with Lathum and he wandered out at night and spotted lathum's wandering...he also spied on vince and witnessed barkeep's assassination of Alan T.

(sigh)...I was hoping hiding my role and stating that I was out would be more believable...sadly I think you guys are thicker than Mississippi mud.

[Qwikshot]

and how would this explain your knowledge of anxiety?

See the below post.

[Qwikshot]

Er see the above post (2nd one)...

[Vince]

Chubby spied on me? Must have been a boring night.

What are the ramifications of Chubby's death? "The loss of one will have consequences on the other." Typically, when one dies the other dies in these games. What happened, Qwik?

[path12]

- Brothers: these two players may PM each other freely throughout the game. The loss of one will have consequences on the other.

Hmmm. Chubby the head nec and Qwik the ? are brothers. Chubby dies last night, and now Qwik comes out and says that Lathum must be stopped tonight, or teh doom will occur.

I'm wondering if consequences occur for Qwik if the prophecy doesn't die.

[Qwikshot]

Chubby spied on me? Must have been a boring night.

What are the ramifications of Chubby's death? "The loss of one will have consequences on the other." Typically, when one dies the other dies in these games. What happened, Qwik?

I think that is up to hoops discretion...it could be losing the tiebreaker...it could be the fact that I was brothers with the head necro, kind of a hard sell isn't it?

[Qwikshot]

Hmmm. Chubby the head nec and Qwik the ? are brothers. Chubby dies last night, and now Qwik comes out and says that Lathum must be stopped tonight, or teh doom will occur.

I'm wondering if consequences occur for Qwik if the prophecy doesn't die.

Just death to me like you path...jesus...all this fear of prophecy, a prophecy doesn't come to pass if it is snuffed out...

[path12]

VOTE KING

[Qwikshot]

VOTE KING
:rolleyes:

You are a sad example for your line...no wonder the pharoahs were snuffed out...I also think it amazing to hold yourself above your people...when the answer is right in front of you.

[Schmidty]

Hmmm. Chubby the head nec and Qwik the ? are brothers. Chubby dies last night, and now Qwik comes out and says that Lathum must be stopped tonight, or teh doom will occur.

I'm wondering if consequences occur for Qwik if the prophecy doesn't die.

NICE POINT

[Qwikshot]

I ask you, what does king's death prove...that lathum still /knew/ he was bad, if he was bad...jesus...you'll all be dead, the egyptians don't win if lathum wins...just like the egyptians don't win, if the necros win....WISE UP.

[Schmidty]

My wife is coming home any minute, and I know she wants me to clean out the back room, so I'll be away from my desk off and on. I should be able to check in every few minutes or so.

[Qwikshot]

I don't win if Lathum wins, neither do you...WISE UP. This is our last chance.