Werewolf: Hunt for Necromancers - GAME OVER! Post #3469

[Barkeep49]

I think Alan has played enough WW to know that when you are a bad guy you need to mix up your suspicion lists. I'm pretty sure that only one or two of his trusted guys will be Necros and there will probably be one in his non-trusted pile too.
But see this also assumes complete information which we cannot assume he had about the necros.

[Barkeep49]

Dola

So, three Necros down, how many do we think are left? Two, three, maybe four?
I think four is a distinct possiblity.

[Barkeep49]

So I've been trying to figure out how to reconcile dubb's scan with what I know to be true about Lathum. And so far the best answer I can come up with is that he's not really the soothsayer, but that doesn't feel right. The only reason that scenario works is that as a necro he could have scanned sndvls and lathum and known they weren't necros and thus gotten tripped up when Lathum proved to be something else. But like I said that doesn't feel quite right. But I do know with 90% certainty that Lathum is on the side of angels for the moment.

[Tyrith]

Four necros seems possible to me but 1/3 bad guys, even in a game like this, is really high, because if we don't get one of the two we got day 3/4 and they make it that far with five or six necros left it only gives us a couple of days to live due to the massive night kill potential.

Alright, I go ahead and trust Lathum.....for now. The fact that he so obviously lied to us really ticks me off, but now most of the evidence points to him being not completely against us. I really wish he hadn't made us run circles around ourselves Day 5 when he had every way to let us know what was going on, though.

I think Alan's death is probably best explained by the most simple explanation. He tried to attack Vince alone, ran into the EG, and got cut down. Another fanatic would have more likely have placed the body in Alan's room and I don't find it likely we have two fanatics considering how many spots have to be filled by necromancers. I don't really see another way to explain it than that.

What we do with dubb's scan is going to be the key to what we do today.

[Abe Sargent]

Blade.


You think Blade killed himself? How?

-Anxiety

[kingfc22]

You think Blade killed himself? How?

-Anxiety

Yea, why would the mystic kill himself? That doesn't make much sense.

[Vince]

Wow. Thanks, EG.

So Barkeep, you think there might be 4 bad guys left after three are already dead? That we may have started with 7 bad guys?

[Vince]

Ok...why would Alan attack me, when I'm on his "not trusted" list, and at least one other person who for the time being we are assuming is good (Dubb) agrees with him that I shouldn't be trusted?

[Barkeep49]

Ok...why would Alan attack me, when I'm on his "not trusted" list, and at least one other person who for the time being we are assuming is good (Dubb) agrees with him that I shouldn't be trusted?
Exactly why I think that you were being scouted as a necro more than killed as a good guy.

[Barkeep49]

Some poissbilities as to how Blade could have been semi-responsible for his own death:

Blade used some item which caused him to implode.

Blade's scan of somebody had a nasty side effect, causing him to implode

Something else Blade did caused him to implode

[dubb93]

So I've been trying to figure out how to reconcile dubb's scan with what I know to be true about Lathum. And so far the best answer I can come up with is that he's not really the soothsayer, but that doesn't feel right. The only reason that scenario works is that as a necro he could have scanned sndvls and lathum and known they weren't necros and thus gotten tripped up when Lathum proved to be something else. But like I said that doesn't feel quite right. But I do know with 90% certainty that Lathum is on the side of angels for the moment.

So...in the interest of your role reveal theory why should we believe this other than Lathum fingered Alan as a nec and summoned the avatar? It's obvious Lathum was trying to help us somewhat, but why? And what are his victory conditions?

[Barkeep49]

So...in the interest of your role reveal theory why should we believe this other than Lathum fingered Alan as a nec and summoned the avatar? It's obvious Lathum was trying to help us somewhat, but why? And what are his victory conditions?
Well I'd have to be Lathum to know that, wouldn't I?

What I can share with you is what I believe from what I have learned. And what I have learned indicates to me, with 90% certainty, that is he a good guy, just as I am. I understand your skepticism as you have learned something different and reconciling what you have presented with what I know is something I haven't quite figured out yet.

[Barkeep49]

Further let me just say that your argument falls kind of short:

Besides all the good things he's done for us why should we believe Lathum is good?

The good things YOU have done is why I am having trouble fitting all the facts into place. So let us not discount good deeds.

[dubb93]

Well I think it is pretty obvious. If you have information that says Lathum is 100% prophecy, that is what messed my scan of him up. If I had scaned something that had him saying he was a good guy, it would have came up true and I would have never doubted anything.

The way things are, I believe anything I scanned of his would have come up that Lathum believed what he was saying, thus when I scanned:

" I would rather be lynched then have the seer come out. I am a meannless villager and the seer is to valuable to us."

Thus that obviously was going to come back that he believed that as well. That is why I didn't buy a role from him. The meaningless villager part. That implies no role, but looking back if he is the prophecy no matter what I scanned I think it would have come back as "Lathum believed this."

[Barkeep49]

Ok that clears up a big part there. Not sure I follow the logic, but if you do dubb that's fine by me.

[Vince]

Blade used some item which caused him to implode.

Though I was quite convinced it was a Prophecy-related death, I think this is probably my leading thought for an explanation as to what happened.

[dubb93]

I highly doubt Blade used an item that caused him to implode. Someone or some condition killed him.

[saldana]

You think Blade killed himself? How?

-Anxiety

i believe i can at least help in the issue of how blade died....our choices right now are:

1. the prophecy killed him

2. the disease killed him

3. other.

if i understand the nebulous messages of our illustrious DM, i will be able to provide some clarification on point number 2....i believe i will be dead very soon. i woke up this morning showing obvious signs of having some sort of disease. if i interpret things properly, i have a day left, but i dont know when i was infected.

so all my fellow egyptians have to do is see how i die, and unless i explode with bugs coming out of my mouth, blade did not die of the head necro's disease.

its been possibly the best game of ww ever while it lasted.

role reveal to follow, just waiting on a PM first.

[Barkeep49]

saldana could you still have two days left?

[saldana]

saldana could you still have two days left?

i will be dead at some point on day 7

[Abe Sargent]

Damn

[dubb93]

role reveal to follow

Bump

[saldana]

Bump

i'm getting there...the chinese take out guy came just as i was eating dinner


i am the enchanter. i made the scarab and gave it to barkeep, thats how i was so sure it was blessed during that day's conversations

i will not have a chance to pass another scarab before i die...the next one would be passed on night 7.

[saldana]

dola, i wish i had some sort of insight into anything going on in this game, but considering my voting record, i dont know how much wait anyone should give to any of my suspicions to this point.

my COT
barkeep
dubb
path

and thats it. like i said, we should at least find out from my death whether or not blade died of the disease or not, so that will most likely be the only significant contribution i have made during this game.

[Barkeep49]

Well your scarab will be quite useful to me, so I do appreciate it saldana. A good deal.

[saldana]

double dola....

WEIGHT not WAIT


....goddamn it i really need to stop posting after i get home from beer festivals.

[Abe Sargent]

dola, i wish i had some sort of insight into anything going on in this game, but considering my voting record, i dont know how much wait anyone should give to any of my suspicions to this point.

my COT
barkeep
dubb
path

and thats it. like i said, we should at least find out from my death whether or not blade died of the disease or not, so that will most likely be the only significant contribution i have made during this game.

My COT is the same, but I have SnDvls too. Why don't you?

-Anxiety

[saldana]

My COT is the same, but I have SnDvls too. Why don't you?

-Anxiety

i meant to have him in there....same problem as the wait/weight issue

[Tyrith]

Yeah, I'll buy into the trust list, too. And I have a bit of trust for Vince -- while it's possible it was a necro on necro kill I don't think Alan would have attacked in the dark and the scene just seemed entirely consistent with a EG block on a single oppourtunistic necro. And there's a limit to the amount of shit we can blame on random items blowing up in people's faces or on Lathum.

[Barkeep49]

Ok since I seem to be everybody's trust list here's somebody who is on nobody's trust list that I can see and I'm pretty sure I will get a reaction. Figure it's good to, you know, get some discussion going on who to lynch. This guy has posted zero analysis that I can find and has been vouched for or even trusted by nobody. As such I feel pretty good about

Voting Schmidty

Of course I expect to have a vote cast back my way, but I can handle it.

[dubb93]

So what does everyone think of Tyrith and tangle. I think someone may have vouched for tangle being clean, but what about Tyrith?

[Lathum]

So what does everyone think of Tyrith and tangle. I think someone may have vouched for tangle being clean, but what about Tyrith?
the way tyrith jumped all over me and started calling for my head makes me pretty suspicous of him.

[Tyrith]

the way tyrith jumped all over me and started calling for my head makes me pretty suspicous of him.

And the way you have information that could have kept a non-wolf alive makes me pretty suspicious of you. Yesterday you could have come out with the truth instead of your "scavenger" non-sense and saved us a lot of trouble, yet you held back. The overall evidence now makes me think that you aren't completely against us meaning I won't be actively trying to kill you now but the fact that you held out on us makes me think you aren't really on our side. Your entire scenario yesterday stunk pretty bad and yeah, I was gonna rail against you. Information is the key to the good guys winning this game and you didn't give it to us.

[dubb93]

VOTE TYRITH

Nothing personal, just right now we have alot of information about alot of people just you aren't one of them.

[Lathum]

And the way you have information that could have kept a non-wolf alive makes me pretty suspicious of you. Yesterday you could have come out with the truth instead of your "scavenger" non-sense and saved us a lot of trouble, yet you held back. The overall evidence now makes me think that you aren't completely against us meaning I won't be actively trying to kill you now but the fact that you held out on us makes me think you aren't really on our side. Your entire scenario yesterday stunk pretty bad and yeah, I was gonna rail against you. Information is the key to the good guys winning this game and you didn't give it to us.
I tried as hard as I could to save fouts but you were all to quick to judge and the you were quick to atack me.

[Abe Sargent]

And the way you have information that could have kept a non-wolf alive makes me pretty suspicious of you. Yesterday you could have come out with the truth instead of your "scavenger" non-sense and saved us a lot of trouble, yet you held back. The overall evidence now makes me think that you aren't completely against us meaning I won't be actively trying to kill you now but the fact that you held out on us makes me think you aren't really on our side. Your entire scenario yesterday stunk pretty bad and yeah, I was gonna rail against you. Information is the key to the good guys winning this game and you didn't give it to us.


Honestly, I agree with Tyrith. I'm not gunning for ya, and Barkeep is the highest person on my trusted list, but I still have you low on my list.

-Anxiety

[Qwikshot]

I'm kind of confused and overwhelmed by the sheer volume to go over.

First off, I'm amazed that Fouts was an avatar; and while Lathum was fighting to keep him alive that somehow was bringing him to suspicion...moreso after proof that Fouts was an avatar?!?

Another baddie was slaughtered at night outside of Vince's abode, yet Vince has no knowledge of this. So do we have another vigilante? Was Vince protected? Or something else?

I got barkeep in my CoT. I think if anything Lathum gets a vote of confidence to me because of his dedication to preserving Fouts and proof that his chief opponent was Alan T who ultimately was proven to be a necro. path is pharoah so I would think he would be against the necromancers and thus, good.

The rest I can take or leave at the moment.

[SnDvls]

I've got king in my high suspect list as well as the other's mentioned. just because of his quick jump on me for the CW vote. No reason for someone to do that unless they were trying to get in on an early bandwagon as he was grasping at straws with the vote.

I'll help in this one as well and see what happens.

vote Schmidty

[Lathum]

I am off to work, I should be back with plenty of time but just in case

VOTE SCHMIDTY

he has been pretty quiet so far

[path12]

So what does everyone think of Tyrith and tangle. I think someone may have vouched for tangle being clean, but what about Tyrith?

I don't remember anyone vouching for Tangle. I think the best case for him is that he was defending the Lathum/Fouts duo. I've got nothing but gut about Tyrith, but he sounds more good than bad to me.

Was there someone who knows Tangle is good?

[path12]

Dola, my offhand trust list now is:

Mostly trust: Barkeep, Dubb, SnDvls
Lean Good: Saldana, Tyrith
Neutral: Lathum

Rest I'm not sure of. I am curious as to why Alan was going for Vince yesterday. I'm leaning towards the scenario of trying to connect rather than assassinate. I'm hoping to go through Vince's posts later today. Does he ping anyone else's radar?

[Barkeep49]

Dola, my offhand trust list now is:

Mostly trust: Barkeep, Dubb, SnDvls
Lean Good: Saldana, Tyrith
Neutral: Lathum

Rest I'm not sure of. I am curious as to why Alan was going for Vince yesterday. I'm leaning towards the scenario of trying to connect rather than assassinate. I'm hoping to go through Vince's posts later today. Does he ping anyone else's radar?
The fact that he doesn't ping my radar, one way or the other, is what makes me think that it was a connect rather than assinate as well.

[Barkeep49]

DOLA -- But if that's the case the idea that it was a bodyguard protect falls apart, so I don't know what to think then.

[saldana]

vote schmidty

he has been even less helpful than usual, not even chiming in with his usual lines about how useless he is for the two hours before the deadline.

and Path, why would i make a reveal about having the disease and give my entire role reveal when it will obviously be a lie if i live through tomorrow unless it was the truth? just wondering what else you would like me to do in order to make the top tier of your trust list

[saldana]

dola, when i found out who gave me these herpes, i will make it my mission in werewolf to kill you very fast next time we meet

[path12]

and Path, why would i make a reveal about having the disease and give my entire role reveal when it will obviously be a lie if i live through tomorrow unless it was the truth? just wondering what else you would like me to do in order to make the top tier of your trust list

Frankly I had forgotten about that. That would obviously move you up. Well, until you die. Then it would move you up even more.

[kingfc22]

I've got king in my high suspect list as well as the other's mentioned. just because of his quick jump on me for the CW vote.

I was about to leave for work which I'm pretty sure I posted that day and I was going to just random vote since there wasn't much information out there. And then the way you worded your post it sent off red flags since you didn't vote for CW on day 1.

So it was random vote before I leave for work or vote for the guy seemingly caught it in a lie.

As far as today. Schmidty is either playing an extreme version of under the radar or he has very little time. Either way it is not helping us.

Vote Schmidty

[Barkeep49]

While I'm pleased that people are looking at Schmidty, I"m more pleased that it's people I generally trust getting in the first votes. Says to me that the good guys are still driving the votes. I hate no idea if we're on target with Schmidty or not, but that sign alone is good, I feel.

[hoopsguy]

Vote count as of Post #2798:

Schmidty - Barkeep (2780), SnDvls (2788), Lathum (2789), Saldana (2795), King (2797)

Tyrith - Dubb (2784)

[Chubby]

While I'm pleased that people are looking at Schmidty, I"m more pleased that it's people I generally trust getting in the first votes. Says to me that the good guys are still driving the votes. I hate no idea if we're on target with Schmidty or not, but that sign alone is good, I feel.

I'm not sure there's anyone else to look at right now. Tanglewood maybe? Schmidty has been quiet and I didn't like that in Bek. The fact that people seem to be saying that this goes against his previous playstyles makes it worse.

Vote Schmidty

I'm going out to do some errands at the bank and the store. I'll be back shortly to work on my personal list/graph of who I trust and what role I think they have and I'll certainly be around close to 10pm EST in case anything else comes out today.

[Schmidty]

Wow. Checking in for the first time today.

Why the hell am I getting all of these votes? I didn't talk at all on the weekend because I didn't think there was much to be said.

Am I going to have to do a role-reveal to save my ass, or is there a way I can convince you guys that I'm not bad?

[Schmidty]

Schmidty has been quiet and I didn't like that in Bek. The fact that people seem to be saying that this goes against his previous playstyles makes it worse.

Whoever said that is either full of crap, or is a new player.

I'm always this way: Very quiet and very defensive. Nothing new here.

[Barkeep49]

Well Schmidty I think my point, as the first person to vote for you, is that playing so quietly after 6 days hasn't really helped the good guys out. I'm not sure you've played more quietly than normal simply because there hasn't been much attention focused your way to get defensive about :).

As for not getting lynched, I can't see myself trust you short of somebody vouching for you or your making a credible role reveal, but I certainly would listen to a case being made for somebody else being even less trust worthy.

[Barkeep49]

DOLA -- Also this has less to do with post count, which I haven't looked at, then feel. While I have SOME feel for the other players, good, bad, or confused, I have no feel for you at all.

[Schmidty]

Well Schmidty I think my point, as the first person to vote for you, is that playing so quietly after 6 days hasn't really helped the good guys out. I'm not sure you've played more quietly than normal simply because there hasn't been much attention focused your way to get defensive about :).

As for not getting lynched, I can't see myself trust you short of somebody vouching for you or your making a credible role reveal, but I certainly would listen to a case being made for somebody else being even less trust worthy.

What do you want me to say? Make up analysis like you guys do, just to get some fake circle of trust?

[tanglewood]

I am slightly concerned about this Schmidty bandwagon. Sure, I don't have any real reason to defend him, but it seems remarkable how quickly this has built up to what looks like now a near consensus.

[Barkeep49]

What do you want me to say? Make up analysis like you guys do, just to get some fake circle of trust?
Fake? I'd love to hear what is fake about it. That would be intersting stuff right there.

And after that last post I went and look at post counts and you and tangle have about 1/3 of the posts of any other player who is alive. But I cannot see myself voting for tangle because I am pretty confident he is good.

But yes so analysis would be good, even if it's only to point out where others have faked it.

[Barkeep49]

I am slightly concerned about this Schmidty bandwagon. Sure, I don't have any real reason to defend him, but it seems remarkable how quickly this has built up to what looks like now a near consensus.
Well Tangle I thought about this and addressed it somewhat already.

The following players have voted for Schmidty:
Barkeep -- I know I'm good
SnDvls -- Pretty much cleared by dubb
Lathum -- Is prophecy. I'm 90% sure is good
Saldana -- Claims to be enchanter. Also claims he will be dead by night 7. Seems like a trustworthy sort of reveal
King -- Unproven
Chubby -- Unproven

But the first 4 of 6 are very likely, or definitely, good in my book. So if it's a bandwagon, it's the good guys who are riding the horses at least.

[Schmidty]

Ok fine. I'll do a role reveal. Nice job drawing the info out, bad guys.

I'm the High Priest, and the last member of the ruling class (as far as I can tell from my last PM from hoops). Swaggs was in the ruling class, and when he died, he passed me a "coin" that told me that I was now in the class. On night 4, I consecrated Swaggs body to stop the Necromancer from reanimating his body. I'm not sure if it worked, or if Swaggs wasn't the target that night.

I have been playing below the radar because I have an important role, and I tend to piss people off no matter what I say. It had been working great until today. Thanks Barkeep.

Well, that's that. I'm going to die either way - by lynch today, or by the bad guys tonight.

[Schmidty]

There's your analysis BK.

[Barkeep49]

I'm off to work now. Might not be around again until 6ish Eastern depending on how awkward things are when I give my 2 week notice for a job that I just began 11 days ago.

[Barkeep49]

Ok fine. I'll do a role reveal. Nice job drawing the info out, bad guys.

I'm the High Priest, and the last member of the ruling class (as far as I can tell from my last PM from hoops). Swaggs was in the ruling class, and when he died, he passed me a "coin" that told me that I was now in the class. On night 4, I consecrated Swaggs body to stop the Necromancer from reanimating his body. I'm not sure if it worked, or if Swaggs wasn't the target that night.

I have been playing below the radar because I have an important role, and I tend to piss people off no matter what I say. It had been working great until today. Thanks Barkeep.

Well, that's that. I'm going to die either way - by lynch today, or by the bad guys tonight.
Good I'm glad we have the high priest out there because I can't figure out how the hell he's got an important role. Since you understand it better can you explain how it helps the good guys Schmidty?

[Schmidty]

Good I'm glad we have the high priest out there because I can't figure out how the hell he's got an important role. Since you understand it better can you explain how it helps the good guys Schmidty?

I can consecrate a body once every 3 days, so that the Necromancer can't reanimate it. If the Necromancer does target the body, he loses his power (basically a lost night action). Then it will be 4 more days before they can make a mummy again.

[Schmidty]

By the way, why is it "good" that I told you? I'm toast now, which eliminates one of the powerful good guy roles. Might be good for you, but not for the good guys.

[saldana]

Ok fine. I'll do a role reveal. Nice job drawing the info out, bad guys.

I'm the High Priest, and the last member of the ruling class (as far as I can tell from my last PM from hoops). Swaggs was in the ruling class, and when he died, he passed me a "coin" that told me that I was now in the class. On night 4, I consecrated Swaggs body to stop the Necromancer from reanimating his body. I'm not sure if it worked, or if Swaggs wasn't the target that night.

I have been playing below the radar because I have an important role, and I tend to piss people off no matter what I say. It had been working great until today. Thanks Barkeep.

Well, that's that. I'm going to die either way - by lynch today, or by the bad guys tonight.


not sure i buy this....we all found the coin when we looked through swagg's stuff after his lynch, so how then did schmidty get it passed to him, after swaggs was already dead and we had already found the coin?

[saldana]

also, schmidty, why didnt you consecrate a body on night 3 instead of waiting an extra night for night 4

[Schmidty]

not sure i buy this....we all found the coin when we looked through swagg's stuff after his lynch, so how then did schmidty get it passed to him, after swaggs was already dead and we had already found the coin?

How the hell am I supposed to know? I'm just saying what hoops said in my PM.

Go ahead and lynch me. It doesn't matter now that I role-revealed anyway.

[Schmidty]

also, schmidty, why didnt you consecrate a body on night 3 instead of waiting an extra night for night 4

Because I was confused by the rules.

I thought no bodies could be reanimated until day 4, but it was actually just mummies that that applies to. hoops sent me a PM to clear it up.

[Schmidty]

So this appears to be a hit-and-run lynching. Good job Necromancer.

The funny thing is that the only reason people voted for me was because I was quiet during the weekend, yet as soon as you guys voted for me and I responded, you're nowhere to be found. Nice.

[Abe Sargent]

I'm not sold on Schmidity. Sell me.


-Anxiety

[Abe Sargent]

So this appears to be a hit-and-run lynching. Good job Necromancer.

The funny thing is that the only reason people voted for me was because I was quiet during the weekend, yet as soon as you guys voted for me and I responded, you're nowhere to be found. Nice.



I agree, can't say he's quiet if you vote for him and then get a zillion posts :)


-Anxiety

[Abe Sargent]

Here's my reasoning:

1. Barkeep49 - Anx's COT
2. Passacaglia - Ruling Class, killed Night 4
3. Schmidty
4. path12 - Anx's COT
5. Anxiety - Duh
6. Cronin - Explorer, lynched Day 2
7. Dubb - Anx's COT
8. AlanT - Necromancer, killed Night 5
9. Saldana - COT for now
10. SnDvls - Anx's COT
11. Lathum - Let sleeping dogs lie
12. Coffee Warlord - Ruling Class Fanatic, killed himself Night 4
13. bulletsponge - Necromancer, lynched Day 4
14. Qwikshot
15. Tyrith
16. Bek - Necromancer Initiate, lynched Day 3
17. Blade6119 - Mystic, Day kill Day 4
18. Swaggs - Ruling Class, lynched Day 1
19. Vince
20. Chubby
21. Tanglewood
22. Kingfc22
23. Fouts - Avatar, lynched Day 5



Now, why should I vote Schmidty over king, Chubby, tanglewood, Vince, Qwik or Tyrith? Somebody's gonna have to sell me something other than "he's quiet." Other players on this list are quiet.

In fact, Chubby has been really quiet the past few days. He was vocal, and now he's really gone UTR. If I had to choose someone on this list, I'd choose Chubby.

I'll leave my vote free for now and hope someone can build a case for me me here.


-Anxiety

[Schmidty]

I've seen people that voted for me in the thread (by looking at the bottom of the screen), such as Chubby 5 minutes ago, that haven't said a damned thing.

Pretty lame and cowardly if you ask me. If they aren't going to debate what I've said or give it any wieght, then they deserve to lose a teammate, and fuck themselves over. More likey, the majority of them are bad guys anyway,

I guess I'm done talking again, as it isn't doing any good.

[Schmidty]

In fact, the fact that Chubby was viewing the thread after my recent pleas for people to discuss why they should keep their vote on me after the reveal, tells me that there's a good chance that he's bad.

Vote Chubby

[SnDvls]

How the hell am I supposed to know? I'm just saying what hoops said in my PM.

Go ahead and lynch me. It doesn't matter now that I role-revealed anyway.


it matters we still have an EG out there, but if you knew all this why weren't you pushing us off Fouts? you knew first hand that he couldn't be a mummy with your role.

[Chubby]

Anxiety - Just to clarify, I was at a wedding over the weekend (it's in my posts) so I wasn't being quiet on purpose. I've tried to offer constructive questions as they arise, I don't have any right now to be honest. As for Schmidty's role reveal, I don't know what to think. I trust Barkeep and he is still suspicious even if I'm not sure why. Today has been slooooooooow so far on here. I have no read on Schmidty (prior to role reveal) and I have been suspicious of quiet players all game. As I said in my vote post, I don't have anything else to go on and I don't think anyone else does either unless they aren't speaking up.

I'm more than open to questions about anything and discussion, I just don't have much to start conversation with.

[Chubby]

In fact, the fact that Chubby was viewing the thread after my recent pleas for people to discuss why they should keep their vote on me after the reveal, tells me that there's a good chance that he's bad.

Vote Chubby

See my response to Anxiety, I typed a little slow I guess :) I think that would be the same response to your concerns.

[Schmidty]

See my response to Anxiety, I typed a little slow I guess :) I think that would be the same response to your concerns.

Ok, I'll

Unvote Chubby

For now.

[SnDvls]

Ok, just caught up (yet again).

It's pretty clear to me that if fouts is the Mummy (and he probably is), we need to take him out ASAP.

Vote fouts

here's your quote and vote for fouts BTW

[Chubby]

Ok, I'll

Unvote Chubby

For now.

I'm still open to discussion about, well, anything. It would be nice to have something more to go on than just, "well so and so is quiet".

Is there anyone you're more suspicious of and why? maybe I'm not seeing something I should in people's actions, wouldn't be a big shocker I guess.

[Schmidty]

it matters we still have an EG out there, but if you knew all this why weren't you pushing us off Fouts? you knew first hand that he couldn't be a mummy with your role.

To be honest, I don't know the situation with Fouts, since I've had to work and spend the other time in this thread defending myself.

But, like I said it doesn't matter now anyway. You guys are either A) fucking yourselves over if you good, or B) getting closer to the win if you're bad by voting me off.

Frankly, I'm bitter about how this went down as far Barkeep and his lackeys (good or bad) picking me out of the crowd because I was quiet and nothing else, and then disappearing before giving any thought to my response. At this point, I'm not really inclined to give a shit if I, or you guys, live or die.

[Schmidty]

here's your quote and vote for fouts BTW

When did I make that vote? I must have been hammered (as I was all weekend evenings).

[Schmidty]

I'm still open to discussion about, well, anything. It would be nice to have something more to go on than just, "well so and so is quiet".

Is there anyone you're more suspicious of and why? maybe I'm not seeing something I should in people's actions, wouldn't be a big shocker I guess.

The only person I can think of is Barkeep, but that's only because he started a bandwagon on me, and I'm the only person I know is good.

I admit that I've played a shitty, lazy game yet again.

[SnDvls]

When did I make that vote? I must have been hammered (as I was all weekend evenings).


LOL good try...it was made on Friday Morning 10 AM my time in AZ.

would you like a custom noose made special for you? :)

[kingfc22]

B) getting closer to the win if you're bad by voting me off.

I don't think that is the case. Right now we have 14 left. Unless they have 5 or 6 of them I think we are good for a few more days at least. Also, they have yet to kill anyone at night so they still might not have a group together. And if the head nec tries to disease we might have a few that are healthy that would counter that type of attack.

[SnDvls]

Schmidty - just give up the other Necros now and save us all some work.

[Schmidty]

LOL good try...it was made on Friday Morning 10 AM my time in AZ.

would you like a custom noose made special for you? :)

I honestly don't remember making that vote.

Anyway, have fun lynching a good guy. I'm done, and I don't give a fuck who wins.

[Schmidty]

Schmidty - just give up the other Necros now and save us all some work.

You're really pissing me off. I'm telling you the truth, and I hope that whatever side you're on, you lose horribly.

I've never been the vindictive "I can't wait to die just to see the 'look on your face" type, but I really can't wait. 6 p.m. can't get here quick enough for me.

[SnDvls]

anyone got a vote recap for days 4 & 5 need to see where tangle voted.

[dubb93]

You're really pissing me off. I'm telling you the truth, and I hope that whatever side you're on, you lose horribly.


I'm changing my vote on this statement alone. I scanned and cleared SNDVLS. To make matters worse for you, I made that statement public.

UNVOTE Tyrith

VOTE Schmidty

About Tangle. I know nothing about him, have no read on him, but I'm pretty sure Barkeep was hinting that he knew he was clean. I may have read too much into that tho.

[Schmidty]

I'm changing my vote on this statement alone. I scanned and cleared SNDVLS. To make matters worse for you, I made that statement public.

UNVOTE Tyrith

VOTE Schmidty

About Tangle. I know nothing about him, have no read on him, but I'm pretty sure Barkeep was hinting that he knew he was clean. I may have read too much into that tho.

You guys are toast.

[SnDvls]

tangle since I see you in the thread can you refresh me where you day 4 & 5 votes went? thanks

[tanglewood]

tangle since I see you in the thread can you refresh me where you day 4 & 5 votes went? thanks

Day 1 - no vote, my internet was down
Day 2 - just got in at the buzzer, voted for Cronin as everyone else seemed to be doing so, probably a bit rash but he was going down anyway
Day 3 - voted for Bek, somewhat reluctantly but didn't see a better option at the time
Day 4 - voted for Bulletsponge, no brainer really
Day 5 - voted for Fouts despite protestations, becuase I believed Lathum and Fouts were both good and they heavily implied they rather see Fouts lynched.

[SnDvls]

Day 1 - no vote, my internet was down
Day 2 - just got in at the buzzer, voted for Cronin as everyone else seemed to be doing so, probably a bit rash but he was going down anyway
Day 3 - voted for Bek, somewhat reluctantly but didn't see a better option at the time
Day 4 - voted for Bulletsponge, no brainer really
Day 5 - voted for Fouts despite protestations, becuase I believed Lathum and Fouts were both good and they heavily implied they rather see Fouts lynched.


thanks I appriciate it. gives me a clear view of you as we have the same day 3 to 5 votes.

[SnDvls]

Here's my reasoning:

1. Barkeep49 - Anx's COT
2. Passacaglia - Ruling Class, killed Night 4
3. Schmidty
4. path12 - Anx's COT
5. Anxiety - Duh
6. Cronin - Explorer, lynched Day 2
7. Dubb - Anx's COT
8. AlanT - Necromancer, killed Night 5
9. Saldana - COT for now
10. SnDvls - Anx's COT
11. Lathum - Let sleeping dogs lie
12. Coffee Warlord - Ruling Class Fanatic, killed himself Night 4
13. bulletsponge - Necromancer, lynched Day 4
14. Qwikshot
15. Tyrith
16. Bek - Necromancer Initiate, lynched Day 3
17. Blade6119 - Mystic, Day kill Day 4
18. Swaggs - Ruling Class, lynched Day 1
19. Vince
20. Chubby
21. Tanglewood
22. Kingfc22
23. Fouts - Avatar, lynched Day 5



Now, why should I vote Schmidty over king, Chubby, tanglewood, Vince, Qwik or Tyrith? Somebody's gonna have to sell me something other than "he's quiet." Other players on this list are quiet.

In fact, Chubby has been really quiet the past few days. He was vocal, and now he's really gone UTR. If I had to choose someone on this list, I'd choose Chubby.

I'll leave my vote free for now and hope someone can build a case for me me here.


-Anxiety

Tangle - he's voted the same as me the last 3 days, pretty much puts him in the clear for me.

Vince - seemed to be the one attacked last night, unless he was a necro hunting other necros, which I doubt.

[Abe Sargent]

I don't buy it for Tangle voting the way of Angels. Everyone voted Bullet, so that doesn't count, and everyone voted Lathum or Fouts, so that doesn't count either. So really, tangle voted for Bek several days ago - that's what you got? Feh.

Vince I'll buy for now.

-Anxiety

[Vince]

Gah, sleeping in until 1:30. Jeez.

Ok, so Schmidty claims to be the High Priest. Thanks Barkeep, for voicing my own opinion, because I had no idea how that role was really all that important. I mean, I guess he could have guessed right and consecrated the same body that the Head Necromancer was going after...but that seems like a long shot. At this point, I think it'd almost be fine to vote him off, as I really don't think his role matters to us much. But I don't want to vote off any more good guys than we have to. Here's where my 'trust list' is at now:

Dead:
Bek (Initiate)
bulletsponge
Alan T

Passacaglia (Ruling Class)
st. cronin (Explorer)
Coffee Warlord (Ruling Class/Fanatic)
Blade (Mystic)
Swaggs (Ruling Class)
Fouts (Avatar)

Alive:
Schmidty
Chubby
kingfc22

Qwikshot
Tanglewood
Tyrith
Lathum
Anxiety
Vince

Dubb
Barkeep
SnDvls
Saldana
Path

I'm suspicious of the guys in Orange, Unsure of/leaning towards trust of the guys in green, and the guys in blue are people I feel comfortable with. I include myself on the green list so other people can use my list without having to cut and paste -- I know I'm just a vanilla villager, but I'm aware there's not much I can give you guys other than voting record, and that's not exactly sterling. Does that list sound about right to others?

[SnDvls]

I don't buy it for Tangle voting the way of Angels. Everyone voted Bullet, so that doesn't count, and everyone voted Lathum or Fouts, so that doesn't count either. So really, tangle voted for Bek several days ago - that's what you got? Feh.

Vince I'll buy for now.

-Anxiety

the important thing is to look when he voted not just who.

[Barkeep49]

Will post more in a few minutes but schmidty doesn't seem like the best bet. Will expand more soon but am busy at work.

Unvote Schmidty

[Tyrith]

Schmidty's role wouldn't be important because he's the high priest but because our ruling class did such a swell job killing each other off :P

[Barkeep49]

So why the run on Schmidty? At least for me it was because I had no feel on him. No feel one way, no feel the other. Now there's some info out there. Others have done a great job of showing some inconsistencies there. Entirely possible that he's doing a fake reveal. But so what? Even if there's a 20% chance that he's telling the truth, and I think it's much higher then that, aren't we better off going for somebody else who is on no one's trust list? Someone like king. Or Chubby.

As for Schmidty's role: I don't think it's nearly as good as he thinks and think that the Necros are far more concerned about finding, say the bodyguard, then the High Priest. That said I don't see anything pointed out that suggests he isn't the role. I put it at 55/45 that he is the High Priest.

That said Schmidty: You brag about how you are a terrible player. I know how much you enjoy playing these things, but really can you be surprised that sometimes the fact that you aren't such a good player is going to come back to bite you? To me that's the beauty of Werewolf is that no matter how you play sometimes it's going to come back to bite you.

So those are my thoughts on Schmidty.

[Schmidty]

That said Schmidty: You brag about how you are a terrible player. I know how much you enjoy playing these things, but really can you be surprised that sometimes the fact that you aren't such a good player is going to come back to bite you? To me that's the beauty of Werewolf is that no matter how you play sometimes it's going to come back to bite you.

Thanks for the lecture daddy. I will definitely take it to heart. ;)

[Tyrith]

Okay, what I've got on the game right now.

Schmidty isn't a bad lynch because right now we don't have any way of really clearing him and that's the stage of the game we're at right now. The same is true of me, but that's the way the cookie crumbles.

Remaining living players:

Anxiety - No way of clearing him and thus has to be a suspect.
Barkeep - I trust that blade scanned him like it seems.
Chubby - No way of clearing him, either, and has acted suspicious at times.
Dubb - Same as barkeep.
King - No way of clearing him either.
Lathum - Probably going to have to be killed later but is no longer our/my primary threat even if I think it'd be kinda cool to kill him just to see what happens.
Path - I don't see a way that he's bad and that we win the game at this point.
Qwikshot - No evidence supporting.
Saldana - His reveal would be an idiot play if he weren't actually dying, so it really doesn't matter either way as long as we don't listen to him too much, but I suspect he's on our side because of the non-contradicted role and how it matches with barkeep's story.
Schmidty - Same here, really, although the role reveal seems pretty reasonable and if it's a lie someone ought to be able to contradict it.
SnDvls - Highest on my trust list atm between blade's probably scan of dubb and my thinking that dubb would give us a good guy to stay alive.
Tanglewood - No evidence here, either.
Tyrith - I am what I am, at this point.
Vince - I trust him a lot right now. I don't see a scenario other than a block last night within the rules.

That leaves us the following group of primary suspects:
Anxiety
Chubby
King
Qwik
Schmidty
Tangle
Me

I'm going to discount myself for the obvious reasons. My gut instinct right now is to definately trust the fouts group more than the lathum group because most of the necros probably already know who the head is and would be trying to two-for-one us in any number of situations. The lathum group was me, path, dubb, king, anxiety, and saldana.

I think we have probably three, slight chance of four necros left in this game, and I'd be pretty surprised if that list doesn't sum them up pretty good.

Alan mentioned something in one of his posts along the lines that there's no way all the new players are bad. Possible tell? Incredibly small but those are the kinds of moves that are usually best for bad guys -- subtle way to sway thinking, unlikely to be caught, possibly true anyway.

The schmidty dogpile stinks to me, as do most dogpiles usually, and he wasn't in the lathum group. While the ironic parts of me wants to vote for Anxiety I think I can actually get people behind the king vote.

VOTE KINGFC22

[Barkeep49]

;) No problem

[Barkeep49]

DOLA -- That was supposed to quote schmidty's response to me.

[Abe Sargent]

Let's look at king. Barkeep mentioned him just now. I have no feel on king at all. Anyone else have ideas on king? I'm not voting for king, I just want to hear from king or about king.

-Anxiety

[Abe Sargent]

Heh, look at Tyrith and I going in the exact same direction at the same time, both posting simultaneously :)

-Anxiety

[Barkeep49]

Well I'd have to do some digging, which I am unable to do for now, but his posts have struck me as generally useful, though nothing in particular of his stands out one way or another. But a good WW player, which king is, certainly works to cultivate that sort of image so I would certainly love to hear what others think, and possibly see what others can find from his posts if I cannot wrangle some free time to do it myself.

[Barkeep49]

DOLA -- Damn what is with me and the quoting? That last post was about king.

[path12]

I don't know 100%, but I'm at least 80% sure Schmidty is good with the ruling class reveal. I know for a fact there is only one ruling class member left.

[Chubby]

Let's look at king. Barkeep mentioned him just now. I have no feel on king at all. Anyone else have ideas on king? I'm not voting for king, I just want to hear from king or about king.

-Anxiety

I don't have a feel for him, no idea where to place him (he's on my "somewhat trust" list but not up on my "pretty sure he's good" list). There hasn't been anything that's stood out for or against him that I have seen. Who has he voted for?

[path12]

I started to go through Vince's posts but about halfway through I got busy at work, and frankly what I did see wasn't setting off any alarms. I might get a chance to look at King later, but I won't be able to do that before lynch today.

[Tyrith]

I don't know 100%, but I'm at least 80% sure Schmidty is good with the ruling class reveal. I know for a fact there is only one ruling class member left.

And the fact that no one else has spoken up against schmidty makes me trust him even more.

[Abe Sargent]

Agreed.

[Barkeep49]

Path's reveal intrigues me. We haven't had a necro ruling class yet, have we? If there is 1 of those out there presumably the last one left would be a necro.

[Barkeep49]

Anxiety, Tyrith: What do you mean no one's spoken out for him? What do you call what you're doing?

[Abe Sargent]

No, Tyrith said spoken out AGAINST him since teh rr

[path12]

Path's reveal intrigues me. We haven't had a necro ruling class yet, have we? If there is 1 of those out there presumably the last one left would be a necro.

Personally I think that once the fanatic died the ruling class breaks down. But that wasn't spelled out or anything, it's just the assumption I made.

What I know is that the ruling class is broken and that there is just one member out there.

[dubb93]

UNVOTE Schmidty

Although to be honest, I'm having a hard time justifing this with the way he's reacted to SNDVLS, the one guy I'm 100% sure is clean.

[Tyrith]

No, Tyrith said spoken out AGAINST him since teh rr

Yeah, this. Pretty much all the active players have seen the role reveal and none of them came running forward screaming. It would have been funny if they did, especially with path's news now.

[hoopsguy]

Here is what I show for votes as of Post #2870:

Schmidty - SnDvls (2788), Lathum (2789), Saldana (2795), King (2797), Chubby (2800)

King - Tyrith (2853)

Not voted: Barkeep, Schmidty, Path, Anxiety, Dubb, Qwikshot, Vince, Tanglewood

[Barkeep49]

Personally I think that once the fanatic died the ruling class breaks down. But that wasn't spelled out or anything, it's just the assumption I made.

What I know is that the ruling class is broken and that there is just one member out there.
Ok so the ruling class breaks down. But we don't know, from the dead, who is an original, and who is a replacement. But if there is only 1 member left, and we have yet to have a necro member of the ruling class doesn't that suggest that perhaps Schmidty, if a member of the ruling class, is a necro?

[Barkeep49]

Also both sndvls and dubb have continued to question Schmidty since his reveal. With about half of the remaining players having voted for Schmidty prior to the reveal asking someone NEW to jump on the anti-Schmidty bandwagon isn't as likely, but is still possible.

[path12]

Ok so the ruling class breaks down. But we don't know, from the dead, who is an original, and who is a replacement. But if there is only 1 member left, and we have yet to have a necro member of the ruling class doesn't that suggest that perhaps Schmidty, if a member of the ruling class, is a necro?

IIRC, the rules stated that Ruling Class members who died would be replaced up to a certain point. If Swaggs died night 1 and was ruling class that could have passed to Schmidty (it should have passed to someone the way I read the rules). So then there were three again.

Coffee uses his fanatic power to take out ruling class Pass then offs himself afterwards, taking out the remaining ruling class members.

I get a message saying there's just one left. That would jive with the above scenario. I don't see the leap to the new ruling class member being a necro.

[path12]

Dola, it's certainly possible he is bad. I just don't see the connection.

[Barkeep49]

But why assume Schmidty got it from swaggs? Why couldn't he have been an original member and CW or Pass or someone else got passed to it from swaggs? By my rough math, assuming a very conservative 5 starting bad guys, if the ruling class is randomly deteremined there is 33% chance that no one would have been bad on the ruling class. This assumes that there has only been 1 replacement member, for Swaggs.

[Barkeep49]

So 1/3 isn't so bad. So I'm not saying that should indict Schmidty. Just wanted to throw that out there as a possiblity. If path, who has the greatest insight on the rulign class, believes Schmidty's version there I guess I should too. But the story, with the coin, doesn't completely add up, in fairness.

[path12]

Ok fine. I'll do a role reveal. Nice job drawing the info out, bad guys.

I'm the High Priest, and the last member of the ruling class (as far as I can tell from my last PM from hoops). Swaggs was in the ruling class, and when he died, he passed me a "coin" that told me that I was now in the class. On night 4, I consecrated Swaggs body to stop the Necromancer from reanimating his body. I'm not sure if it worked, or if Swaggs wasn't the target that night.

I have been playing below the radar because I have an important role, and I tend to piss people off no matter what I say. It had been working great until today. Thanks Barkeep.

Well, that's that. I'm going to die either way - by lynch today, or by the bad guys tonight.

Barkeep, this is where I got that Schmidty claimed to get the coin from Swaggs.

[kingfc22]

Well, there is not much I can say that would make me any more valuable than Schmidty. I was hoping that my rather generic Egyptian role would turn into a ruling class replacement, but it hasn't.

On a side note, I will be going to the doctor tomorrow and won't be around for the deadline.

[path12]

But why assume Schmidty got it from swaggs? Why couldn't he have been an original member and CW or Pass or someone else got passed to it from swaggs? By my rough math, assuming a very conservative 5 starting bad guys, if the ruling class is randomly deteremined there is 33% chance that no one would have been bad on the ruling class. This assumes that there has only been 1 replacement member, for Swaggs.

OK, rereading this I don't think you're questioning that Schmidty claims to get it from Swaggs, but stating that we don't know for sure if he's lying or not.

So, um, never mind. ;) I'm out for awhile, will be back sometime before lynch and will vote then.

[kingfc22]

Let's take a quick look at what the necros might have left. Right now we have an 11-3 man advantage and 10-3-1 if Lathum has his own agenda as the prophecy.

- If they have 4 left, then they could attempt a double kill each night.
- If they have 3 left, then they could attempt 1 kill.
- If they have 2 left, then they could attempt 1 kill.
- Since the head necro is still out there he can use his disease. I think Blade was killed and saldana is the first victim. That would mean he has one chance left. Of course if he hits a "healthy" Egyptian then that voids his last chance.
- The head necro also can raise a mummy still.

[kingfc22]

dola

And if they have 4 left it is 10-4 or 9-4-1 depending on Lathum.

[tanglewood]

How do you know there are 3 Necros still out there?

[tanglewood]

dola

Nice save........

[tanglewood]

double dola

Ignore all the above, just read the original post again properly. Should learn to do that before commentating more often.....

[Tyrith]

How do you know there are 3 Necros still out there?

Only having two left is certainly possible, but my gut tells me three right now, and I have some other ideas bouncing around that I don't really want to out at the moment.

[tanglewood]

The schmidty dogpile stinks to me, as do most dogpiles usually, and he wasn't in the lathum group.

This was my thought even before the reveal, and now with that reveal, especially since it had been semi-corraborated with path, I don't think Schmidty is where we should be going today.

[Tyrith]

If there are only two left and we're planning on three we can just look at it as a fortunate surprise; for today it really doesn't change how we vote.

[kingfc22]

double dola

Ignore all the above, just read the original post again properly. Should learn to do that before commentating more often.....

Sorry. I think I just pulled a SnDvls.:o

[dubb93]

About to leave for work so I need to get a vote in. I suppose since no one else has spoken up about Schmidty's role we must believe him. Although I'll be voting elsewhere I'm secretly hoping Schmidty does infact bite his dust for telling Sun he hopes his side loses[which would be the side of the egyptians.]

With that said I won't vote for king. I have no info about him, but I think he's on the up an up. Instead, I'll go back to something I should have done a long time ago.

VOTE CHUBBY

And with that I'm out.

[kingfc22]

I think this is the latest we have gone in a day phase with this many votes still remaining.

[Barkeep49]

Well I'm waiting for Chubby to return before I cast my vote. King anything you can post in your defense?

[Chubby]

Well I'm waiting for Chubby to return before I cast my vote. King anything you can post in your defense?

I'm back, had to go to the store for drinks. :)

Here is my reasoning on staying on Schmidty:

He went after SnDvls as dubb mentioned after everything he knows. Now I don;t fully trust dubb either, but I've deemed him better left until later as I don't want to lynch another important egyptian.

as you mentioned, there's nothing procluding the final ruling class member from being a necro. I don't see why that (him claiming ruling class) automatically makes him good. He may end up being good, I don't know for sure but why go after SnDvls after what Dubb has said?

Dubb himself wants Schmidty dead yet votes for me? Why is that? I don't trust the whole dubb/SnDvls thing I'm still willing to put it off since no one else has taken it up.

I am magically attuned. I've learned jack squat from my ability. There's no way I can clear myself with that, I don't have some smoking gun role to claim to try and save myself because frankly there isn't one. Not everyone is going to have juicy roles... sigh...

[hoopsguy]

Updated vote count as of Post #2893:

Schmidty - SnDvls (2788), Lathum (2789), Saldana (2795), King (2797), Chubby (2800)

King - Tyrith (2853)

Chubby - Dubb (2890)

Not voted: Barkeep, Schmidty, Path, Anxiety, Qwikshot, Vince, Tanglewood

[Schmidty]

Although I'll be voting elsewhere I'm secretly hoping Schmidty does infact bite his dust for telling Sun he hopes his side loses[which would be the side of the egyptians.]

Oh come on, I got mad because I was being rudely dismissed by him. It was if he didn't want to listen to my side of things, and that pissed me off a lot.

Everyone gets pissed at certain times in WW, and reacts ways they wish they hadn't.

[Barkeep49]

Well that wasn't the role I was hoping to hear from Chubby. *Sigh*. Time to dig into king's posts.

[Schmidty]

In hopes of not dying, I vote:

Vote Chubby

I've said all I can say to try to save myself, and if the majority still aren't listening, even to the Pharaoh, then that's that.

[Lathum]

Oh come on, I got mad because I was being rudely dismissed by him. It was if he didn't want to listen to my side of things, and that pissed me off a lot.

Everyone gets pissed at certain times in WW, and reacts ways they wish they hadn't.
I've never done that :)

[Schmidty]

What a lame ending. I'm going to die, and no one seems to give a shit, save 4 people or so. Half of you haven't even voted.

Damned garbage.

[kingfc22]

King anything you can post in your defense?

I think I've hinted at my role a couple times now. Don't think we need an outbreak of role reaveals just yet.

[Qwikshot]

I believe Schmidty, I don't know why, but I do...

I'm more concerned with Tangle, I voted for him before but pulled back when Blade asked me to vote for bullet.

I have no real bearings on chubby, but he has voted for baddies after the day one on cronin.

Don't know about much else...

Vote Tangle

[tanglewood]

You still have over an hour left...

[tanglewood]

I think I've hinted at my role a couple times now. Don't think we need an outbreak of role reaveals just yet.


Christ, am I the only player in this game who doesn't have a role?

[Barkeep49]

While I don't have the time or inclination to do a full recap of king's posts, through page 15 what I am finding interesting is how many questions he's asking and how little he's speculating. About the only speculation he's offered was I wonder if the Head Necromancer and Dreamweaver know each other and then they have a couple of initiates searching for one another. IMO, that would seem to make the game balance a little more level compared to making them search to find one another.

An interesting point that I didn't remember. He also suggests that there was some sort of dice roll regarding Lathum's sense of the scan. With us now knowing that Lathum is the prophecy, could that have someting to do with his perception, which has not been duplicated?

[Tyrith]

Well, appearantly this isn't happening, and the difference in my suspicion level between him and the others on my list isn't really big.

UNVOTE KINGFC22

[tanglewood]

Well that wasn't the role I was hoping to hear from Chubby. *Sigh*. Time to dig into king's posts.

I will say that Chubby's role reveal is rather convinient. Not very major, no way to coroborate with outside players, a god chance that no-one was assigned it also. If I were to pull a fake reveal I'd pick something similar. I'm not necessarily saying I don't belive you Chubby so much as I'm discounting it from whether I vote for you or not.

[kingfc22]

Barkeep. The first two or three days I was at work all day so I was in catch up mode most of the time. I figured it was better to ask questions to see what the general consensus was. And 2 necs in a row is good enough of a result for me.

[tanglewood]

I believe Schmidty, I don't know why, but I do...

I'm more concerned with Tangle, I voted for him before but pulled back when Blade asked me to vote for bullet.

I have no real bearings on chubby, but he has voted for baddies after the day one on cronin.

Don't know about much else...

Vote Tangle

If you would like to list your concerns, I'll be happy to address them for you.

[Chubby]

I will say that Chubby's role reveal is rather convinient. Not very major, no way to coroborate with outside players, a god chance that no-one was assigned it also. If I were to pull a fake reveal I'd pick something similar. I'm not necessarily saying I don't belive you Chubby so much as I'm discounting it from whether I vote for you or not.

Which I understand, it's the reason I sighed. I can't prove it, just as vanilla egyptians can't prove that either. It sucks. As I've said, to compound things I haven't gotten any benefit from being magically attuned so I can't say confirm, say, dubb's role. 10% should have been higher! :D

[Tyrith]

I will say that Chubby's role reveal is rather convinient. Not very major, no way to coroborate with outside players, a god chance that no-one was assigned it also. If I were to pull a fake reveal I'd pick something similar. I'm not necessarily saying I don't belive you Chubby so much as I'm discounting it from whether I vote for you or not.

But it's a pointless reveal, too, if you think about it. It doesn't help clear him any--there's no way to cross check it. It brings up the chance someone else does have the role (me? Vince?) and it comes off as being fake. In the end it's pretty much as good as saying nothing.

[kingfc22]

What does the prophecy have to say about all this? I don't think lathum has posted all day and maybe he can shed some light on the situation.

[Qwikshot]

If you would like to list your concerns, I'll be happy to address them for you.

tangle it's nothing against you, I just don't have a lot of answers...I find it hard to vote for schmidty.

You have picked up your activity from the start, but I still have concerns.

[Abe Sargent]

I have to go get dinner with a lady that I just had a bath with, so I'm going to be out for a bit :)

I don;t know who to vote for. I kept hoping someone would conivnce me to vote for king, or Chubby, or tangle, or Schmidty or someone, and no one has really convinced me of anything.

This is the msot clueless vote I've had since Day One. Congrats on the remaining Necs for making this tough.

I've never made it this far with this little information before. So, without further ado, let's shoot for the moon:

Vote Chubby

I don't have anything more than a feeling. I have no proof, no evidence, and if Chubby doesn;t get lynched tonight, I probably won;t vote for him tomorrow if new information is revealed.

-Anxiety

[kingfc22]

As for why I still have my vote on Schmidty. I remember us discussing what role(s) may not be in the game. I think it was back on day 3 or 4. And the one that was brought up was the high priest. I don't remember anyone speaking up and claiming that role so I think there is a good chance that he is just bs'ing us with his role claim.

Add that together with the fact that he claims to be ruling class and that every ruling class so far has been good, then I think he is a nec trying to save his neck.

[Schmidty]

I keep forgetting that hoops is CST.

[Schmidty]

As for why I still have my vote on Schmidty. I remember us discussing what role(s) may not be in the game. I think it was back on day 3 or 4. And the one that was brought up was the high priest. I don't remember anyone speaking up and claiming that role so I think there is a good chance that he is just bs'ing us with his role claim.

Add that together with the fact that he claims to be ruling class and that every ruling class so far has been good, then I think he is a nec trying to save his neck.


THE PHARAOH HAS EVEN BACKED ME UP ON THE RULING CLASS ISSUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT THE FUCK DUDE?

[Tyrith]

I might as well throw a dart at a board right now to pick out a threat list. I posted my list earlier. Right now Schmidty is last choice because of the reveal and I'm fairly close to trusting him. Anxiety is next because we seem to be thinking extremely similar thoughts -- werewolf seems to have us linked somehow. No, I am not his brother. King was originally my first choice because of the lathum thing, but that was in a vacuum and for now I'm willing to let it slide. That leaves qwik, tangle, and chubby. Qwik seems safe enough for today....hrm. I feel like this is practically a coin flip.

[Schmidty]

THE PHARAOH HAS EVEN BACKED ME UP ON THE RULING CLASS ISSUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT THE FUCK DUDE?

(Don't take that as anger, just frustration)

[Lathum]

What does the prophecy have to say about all this? I don't think lathum has posted all day and maybe he can shed some light on the situation.
I was at work all day and only had enough time to get caught up before I had to go back out for dance lessons.

I think schmidty is probably telling the truth but I really don't see it as a major loss so I think it is worth taking the chance he is lying in an attempt to out other members of the ruling class in case he is a necro.

My only concern is with all 3 ruling class members gone does that have some sort of negative effect.

I am also wondering why alanT was targeting vince?

I am really wondering why tyrith is pushing for my death at some point when I have done nothing but help the good guys.

going to have dinner now, will probably be back in time for lynch

[Tyrith]

Ah, good ol' Schmidty, with blade dead I was wondering where the spice had gone. :P

[Schmidty]

I hate this game so much right now.

[kingfc22]

THE PHARAOH HAS EVEN BACKED ME UP ON THE RULING CLASS ISSUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT THE FUCK DUDE?

I'm not saying you are not ruling class. I just think there is a good chance that you are a nec since the 3 prior were all egyptians. I think hoops would have made 1 ruling class member a nec to mess with the pharoah part of the game. Ruling class does not automatically equal good.

[Chubby]

(Don't take that as anger, just frustration)

Where? As fas I can tell, path has confirmed there was one remaining ruling class member and not confirmed that: a) you are him and b) you are good.

If he has said these things and I missed them please point them out to us.

[Tyrith]

I was at work all day and only had enough time to get caught up before I had to go back out for dance lessons.

I think schmidty is probably telling the truth but I really don't see it as a major loss so I think it is worth taking the chance he is lying in an attempt to out other members of the ruling class in case he is a necro.

My only concern is with all 3 ruling class members gone does that have some sort of negative effect.

I am also wondering why alanT was targeting vince?

I am really wondering why tyrith is pushing for my death at some point when I have done nothing but help the good guys.

going to have dinner now, will probably be back in time for lynch

Since when is lying considered helping?

I'm also not completely sure you didn't make blade explode somehow. Considering how nasty it was getting it might not have been a completely awful use of a death touch power just to get yourself off tilt, or because, secretly, we've all wanted to make blade explode in the middle of the day at some point.

[kingfc22]

...or because, secretly, we've all wanted to make blade explode in the middle of the day at some point.

:D

[hoopsguy]

or because, secretly, we've all wanted to make blade explode in the middle of the day at some point.

Yep. And only one of us was lucky enough to get to put together the death scene :D

[hoopsguy]

Votes as of Post #2926:

Schmidty - SnDvls (2788), Lathum (2789), Saldana (2795), King (2797), Chubby (2800)

Chubby - Dubb (2890), Schmidty (2897), Anxiety (2913)

Tangle - Qwikshot (2901)

Not voted: Barkeep, Path, Anxiety, Vince, Tanglewood, Tyrith

[Tyrith]

I'm not saying you are not ruling class. I just think there is a good chance that you are a nec since the 3 prior were all egyptians. I think hoops would have made 1 ruling class member a nec to mess with the pharoah part of the game. Ruling class does not automatically equal good.

I find it highly unlikely that hoops used a method other than RNG to determine who got a replacement ruling council role. Meaning that even if we take out that part of the story we have to find a reason to vote for him.

[SnDvls]

someone convince me to move my vote.

after his reaction to me and my questions about his RR and him not remembering he voted for fouts...too many questions.

[Barkeep49]

I will not be voting for Schmidty, barring a last minute reveal of some sort which casts doubt upon him. However: Schmidty path has backed up that you are in the ruling class. And that you are the last one left. Not that you're good. Path happens to believe that you're good, but that doesn't make you so, though having a good guy behind you certainly helps.

As interest in king has fizzled I guess I would lean towards a Chubby vote, but would rather get a necro above all.

[Schmidty]

someone convince me to move my vote.

after his reaction to me and my questions about his RR and him not remembering he voted for fouts...too many questions.

Just keep your vote on me dude. You weren't going to believe me regardless of the fouts thing or whatever, and you made that clear with your mocking tone.

[Barkeep49]

someone convince me to move my vote.

after his reaction to me and my questions about his RR and him not remembering he voted for fouts...too many questions.
This is a compelling case, I feel, for why people are not being obtuse by voting for Schmidty. I think Schmidty presents a more compelling case, but I resepct those voting for Schmidty. Which further dillutes our ablity to gain any meaningful information from the vote.

[Lathum]

Since when is lying considered helping?

I'm also not completely sure you didn't make blade explode somehow. Considering how nasty it was getting it might not have been a completely awful use of a death touch power just to get yourself off tilt, or because, secretly, we've all wanted to make blade explode in the middle of the day at some point.
it's werewolf, we all lie and there are times when it is very beneficial to lie in order to help the good guys.

[Barkeep49]

So lathum: You admit to being the prophecy now? I mean I know it, but it would still be nice for you to say it.

If you do: what is your win condition?
Further: Are you sticking by your story of being scanned? Going through the posts reminded me of that again.

[tanglewood]

Vote Tyrith

[Tyrith]

I will not be voting for Schmidty, barring a last minute reveal of some sort which casts doubt upon him. However: Schmidty path has backed up that you are in the ruling class. And that you are the last one left. Not that you're good. Path happens to believe that you're good, but that doesn't make you so, though having a good guy behind you certainly helps.

As interest in king has fizzled I guess I would lean towards a Chubby vote, but would rather get a necro above all.

King is still sending off minor alarms for me, if any momentum could be swung that way it would probably be train I got on.

[Barkeep49]

Oh yeah: Who has the helmet these days? Path still?

[Lathum]

So lathum: You admit to being the prophecy now? I mean I know it, but it would still be nice for you to say it.

If you do: what is your win condition?
Further: Are you sticking by your story of being scanned? Going through the posts reminded me of that again.
my win condition is the same as the the egyptians. I have been on their side the whole game.

[Schmidty]

King is still sending off minor alarms for me, if any momentum could be swung that way it would probably be train I got on.

I'm willing to unvote Chubby if that's the direction people want to go.

[saldana]

the only reason i am changing off of schmidy is the path backup to the ruling class portion of his story...i'm not sold on chubby, so i dont want to make my last vote there either....i am gonna go with the most UTR guy in the game, who i have actually forgotten is even playing several times, which is normally not the case involving him.

unvote schmidty
vote qwikshot

[Barkeep49]

So how come it's listed as a neutral role?

[Tyrith]

my win condition is the same as the the egyptians. I have been on their side the whole game.

As odd as it may be coming from me, I might be able to buy some of this now.

[SnDvls]

Oh yeah: Who has the helmet these days? Path still?

nope he passed it

[saldana]

and schmidty, considering that you used having to work as your reason for not being on the board much during other parts of the game, its pretty ballsy of you to rant about other people doing a 'hit and run lynch' on you because we had to go to work and couldnt post for a while.

[kingfc22]

Tangle's vote for tyrith seems very odd. Why throw a vote on a 4th canidate? Seems like he is trying to distance himself from the rest of the vote.

[Lathum]

my win condition is the same as the the egyptians. I have been on their side the whole game.
meaning I have no special condition for a solo victory. I think I have proved this a few times allready that I am with the villegars.

[Schmidty]

and schmidty, considering that you used having to work as your reason for not being on the board much during other parts of the game, its pretty ballsy of you to rant about other people doing a 'hit and run lynch' on you because we had to go to work and couldnt post for a while.

It just seemed that way at the time.

[saldana]

meaning I have no special condition for a solo victory. I think I have proved this a few times allready that I am with the villegars.
then why wont you answer any of the direct questions people are asking you?

[Barkeep49]

Tangle's vote for tyrith seems very odd. Why throw a vote on a 4th canidate? Seems like he is trying to distance himself from the rest of the vote.
Because he'd rather vote for somebody who he believes is bad then to have an impact on the lynch? Just a guess, but one that I'm considering personally as well.

[Barkeep49]

then why wont you answer any of the direct questions people are asking you?
Look above. he's answering the questions.

[Lathum]

Tangle's vote for tyrith seems very odd. Why throw a vote on a 4th canidate? Seems like he is trying to distance himself from the rest of the vote.
or maybe he knows something and is trying to point us in the right direction. I have been suspiscous of him ever since his tyrade against me.

[path12]

I think schmidty is probably telling the truth but I really don't see it as a major loss so I think it is worth taking the chance he is lying in an attempt to out other members of the ruling class in case he is a necro.


There is only one remaining member of the ruling class. That is a fact. That nobody else has called bullshit on Schmidty makes me more confident that he is the one ruling class member left.

That doesn't guarantee he's good, I realize -- but all the other ones have been and that counts something in my book.

[Barkeep49]

There is only one remaining member of the ruling class. That is a fact. That nobody else has called bullshit on Schmidty makes me more confident that he is the one ruling class member left.

That doesn't guarantee he's good, I realize -- but all the other ones have been and that counts something in my book.
Yeah it should count against him if you believe the math, assuming that all players have an equal chance of becoming a member of the ruling class.

[path12]

Yeah it should count against him if you believe the math, assuming that all players have an equal chance of becoming a member of the ruling class.

We have no way of knowing for sure how the replacements for ruling class were made, do we?

[tanglewood]

Hmm, well I have to admit that I expected at least some reaction from my vote. To be perfectly honest I thought leaving it blank might stir up some discussion, but never mind, probably too late for that I guess.

Basically Barkeep had it correct. I don't think Schmidty is a badguy, and I'm not so sure on Chubby either. Tyrith has been anti-Lathum throughout and has me as one of his supspects, so he'll get my vote today. Not really solid, but I think today may well be a wait and see type day. Tonight will certainly be interesting.

[hoopsguy]

I have not made that information publicly available. There may or may not be roles with this information.

[Barkeep49]

We have no way of knowing for sure how the replacements for ruling class were made, do we?
No we don't.

Tangle: The night is always interesting :)

[path12]

I have no idea where to vote. I'm not on Schmidty since I think there are more likely candidates. I'm not sold on Tangle or Tyrith yet. My top candidates would probably be Vince or Qwik but there's no movement there.

I'll go with my gut, useless vote or not.

Vote Vince

[Barkeep49]

Ok not really sure which way to go. I've felt marginally good about Chubby throughout, and think people are making a large mistake with Schmidty, though understandable. As such I will

Vote Tyrith

Seems like the best of the remaining lot. Though I do like Vince as a suspect as well, Alan T, trying to kill him or not.

[hoopsguy]

Votes as of Post #2958:

Schmidty - SnDvls (2788), Lathum (2789), King (2797), Chubby (2800)
Chubby - Dubb (2890), Schmidty (2897), Anxiety (2913)
Tangle - Qwikshot (2901)
Tyrith - Tangle (2935)
Qwikshot - Saldana (2940)
Vince - Path (2958)

Not voted: Barkeep, Vince, Tyrith

[hoopsguy]

Going back to double-check for a vote from Vince, FYI.

[Tyrith]

Yeah it should count against him if you believe the math, assuming that all players have an equal chance of becoming a member of the ruling class.

It shouldn't matter at all. Random numbers are random numbers. It doesn't matter if coin turns up heads 50 times in a row, the 51st time heads and tails are still equally likely. If he got it from swaggs he is only slightly less likely to be good than any of the original guys (because swaggs was good and was killed).

Yeah, I tiraded against Lathum. I still will, to a large degree, because he info-screwed us. I screamed all day long because people didn't look back to the role list to see how bad he was info screwing us. It doesn't make me happy, still. However, after thinking about the situation I'm willing to concede that killing him isn't a positive-EV play for us now, even if it would fulfill my lust for revenge. I think most of our problems lie elsewhere now.

I also think we need to stop with random role reveals because we still have an EG out there who needs cover to operate.

[Qwikshot]

I think Tyrith is fine...Saldana, what have I done to earn a vote? I'm curious because I've supported the seer, I've voted for two baddies. I don't get why I suddenly have caused suspicion?

[Barkeep49]

It shouldn't matter at all. Random numbers are random numbers. It doesn't matter if coin turns up heads 50 times in a row, the 51st time heads and tails are still equally likely. If he got it from swaggs he is only slightly less likely to be good than any of the original guys (because swaggs was good and was killed).

Yeah, I tiraded against Lathum. I still will, to a large degree, because he info-screwed us. I screamed all day long because people didn't look back to the role list to see how bad he was info screwing us. It doesn't make me happy, still. However, after thinking about the situation I'm willing to concede that killing him isn't a positive-EV play for us now, even if it would fulfill my lust for revenge. I think most of our problems lie elsewhere now.

I also think we need to stop with random role reveals because we still have an EG out there who needs cover to operate.
Yes but Tyrith the math says only 1/3 of the time will no bad guy have been randomly chosen, just as the math says only 1/4 of the time will 2 coin flips turn up the same way. Each individual one has the same chance but the cumulative effect is still there. And with that I'm out.

[Lathum]

I have no idea where to vote. I'm not on Schmidty since I think there are more likely candidates. I'm not sold on Tangle or Tyrith yet. My top candidates would probably be Vince or Qwik but there's no movement there.

I'll go with my gut, useless vote or not.

Vote Vince
vince is OK in my book, I think AlanT was going for a kill last night and somehow got intercepted.

[Tyrith]

Gotta put a vote in. I don't like this much.

VOTE CHUBBY

[hoopsguy]

As of Post #2966 (TIED):

Schmidty - SnDvls (2788), Lathum (2789), King (2797), Chubby (2800)
Chubby - Dubb (2890), Schmidty (2897), Anxiety (2913), Tyrith (2966)
Tangle - Qwikshot (2901)
Tyrith - Tangle (2935), Barkeep (2959)
Qwikshot - Saldana (2940)
Vince - Path (2958)
Not voted: Vince - looked but could not find vote in last 5 pages

[path12]

vince is OK in my book, I think AlanT was going for a kill last night and somehow got intercepted.

Is that just gut or something more?

[Tyrith]

Yes but Tyrith the math says only 1/3 of the time will no bad guy have been randomly chosen, just as the math says only 1/4 of the time will 2 coin flips turn up the same way. Each individual one has the same chance but the cumulative effect is still there. And with that I'm out.

That analysis only works from the beginning, when all values are unknown. Once you know any outcomes, if the remaining outcomes are unrelated and random (which I'm assuming they are, especially in a replacement; initially I would understand a 2/1 good/bad split) then it doesn't matter.

[tanglewood]

Is a tie a good thing right now?

[path12]

Not if you're in it.

[Chubby]

Just got back online to see I'm tied?

I was silenced, couldn't post til 10 mins to go but couldn't get back online.

[kingfc22]

time check

[hoopsguy]

In the very final seconds here ... DRAMA DRAMA DRAMA!

[tanglewood]

In the very final seconds here ... DRAMA DRAMA DRAMA!

Nothing like an impartial observer for a GM. ;)

[kingfc22]

Nothing like an impartial observer for a GM. ;)

lol

[hoopsguy]

Does it get more impartial than that post? :)

Results are coming up.

[kingfc22]

Just got back online to see I'm tied?

I was silenced, couldn't post til 10 mins to go but couldn't get back online.

Well that is an interesting twist that I didn't see coming.

[Chubby]

and if anyone doubts me, scan me.

[kingfc22]

Just checked and saw that Chubby's last post was 6:08 PST.

[Tyrith]

Well that is an interesting twist that I didn't see coming.

And the fact that it came at 859 and not 851 makes me regret my vote somewhat. Seems much less likely to be fake now. Bleeeeh. Schmidty had better appreciate that I saved his ass.

[path12]

Was anyone else having problems getting online? Been quick for me.

[Tyrith]

Dola, or at least that I tried.

[Lathum]

Is that just gut or something more?
just gut. I'm not saying it clears vince but it at least moves him up in terms of me trusting him.

[Chubby]

Was anyone else having problems getting online? Been quick for me.

It wasn't the site, I've hogged the computer all day and with being silenced I made some food. When I came back, my dad was on the computer, I pyschically couldn't get back on. The site was fine.

[Chubby]

Scan me anytime to prove my story true. Arrgh it's 100% the truth :(

[Qwikshot]

I'm out for the night...it's been a rush, but I've had a long day...

[Tyrith]

Scan me anytime to prove my story true. Arrgh it's 100% the truth :(

You either have my sympathies for that, or my humored ire if you turn out to be an incredibly good lying bastard.

[hoopsguy]

Although each of the decisions up until now has required careful deliberation (OK, not so much with bullet based on the unanimous vote) today is just gut-wrenching. The citizens go back and forth on Schmidty, before finally settling on a showdown between Schmidty and Chubby. There is no provision to allow either two men or no men to face Osiris - one of them must be brought forward to face his judgement. But no decision can be reached when the day comes to an end.

The Pharaoh path12 emerges from his abode to make his ruling. He looks pained as he points to Chubby and signals for him to be brought before the statue. Chubby has a crazed look on his face; he cannot believe it is come to this.

"But I'm magically attuned! You idiots, you don't know what you have done!". He tries to wiggle from the grasp of the clerics of Osiris, but is held firmly as the statue begins to glow. The golden color around the statue continues to grow brighter and brighter, and you look on with disbelief as the statue projects a golden ray that envelops Chubby! He is lifted off his feet in the glow, slowly and inexorably moving towards the giant statue.

A stream of black tendrils leap forward from Chubby's hands, as his face turns to a distorted mask of hatred. But the blast fails to damage Osiris' golem. Chubby's body seems to be tearing apart as it approaches the statue. His screams are continuous until he no longer has a form to produce sound. The broken pieces of flesh enter the open mouth of the statue.

Will this be the final deathblow to the necromancers?

Night 6 has begun.

[saldana]

I think Tyrith is fine...Saldana, what have I done to earn a vote? I'm curious because I've supported the seer, I've voted for two baddies. I don't get why I suddenly have caused suspicion?

voting for baddies in this game doesnt quite carry the same clearance value as it has in other games, because most likely, you didnt know who you were voting for, since you guys dont know each other.

my vote for you is based upon the fact that you are not a post whore in WW games, but you arent so quiet that i forget you are playing, which like i said, i have twice this game...i have no reason other than i think you are flying extreeeeeemly low right now, and you are a good enough player to make that work for you as a wolf

[tanglewood]

Well, at least he was loyal to the cause right until the end, lol. :D

[Lathum]

good choice path, I had a feeling about chubby early in the game, I am glad to know I was right.

[saldana]

nice!!!!!!!!!! how many of these bastards are there?

[tanglewood]

Dola

Head Necro, score one!!!!

And he was magically attuned too, very clever there Chubby, shame it didn't quite work out for you.

[kingfc22]

sweet. Nice choice pharoah!!!

[Tyrith]

Chubby, well played. Awesome game, especially the first time out. Hope you'll come take another spin with us :)

LYNCH VOTE FTW!!! Even if path did break the tie :P

[SnDvls]

good job path.

how many more are we guessing then? 2 is my guess

[Chubby]

You guys suck :D


It was fun. I'm definately in the next game. Now I can do something else with my free time i guess :( Hopefully I made 1st time players proud...

[tanglewood]

First thought, was the lack of movement near the end a sign that both players tied were bad?

[path12]

I almost changed the tiebreak. I'm glad I didn't. After Tyrith and Chubby's first games, there are officially no more grants to first time players......good job Chubby.