Backbreaker Hands-On Preview w/ Gameplay Videos (IGN)

[booker21]

Quote: Originally Posted by Hova57

i like that list. this is about to get ugly

I love that list!

[blackscorpion11]

Quote: Originally Posted by KBLover

If: Good fundamental football (blocking, route running, etc) Strategy/playcalling being deep without being cumbersome Good gameplay and controls Good AI Players perform to their ratings so that the top and weaker players are easy to see even without checking ratings (and if/when I do, the player is really good at whatever he's displaying on the field) Solid franchise mode with realistic simmed stats and good team management AI. Customization options both for game play and team/player creation Is wanting everything and being greedy, then yes, I'm greedy. And I'm greedy whether it's Backbreaker, Madden 11, Football Mogul, whatever. It's what I want out of sports games - in this case a football game. So, fine, I'm greedy. Am I supposed to be ashamed or something after this post? Or say "okay, since it's their first game, it could do nothing but tackles well and I'll be giddy with joy?"

Good post! i'm greedy too bro!

why should we settle for less quality when they charge the highest price ??

[CreatineKasey]

Yeah, we want BB to be BETTER than M10! That's what games do: better eachother. Why would I accept less? I'll play the game I have the most fun with, enough said.

I just always point out my background being 2k football and Tecmo because if I somehow criticize BB I'm an EA loving greedy fanboy sheep.

[alliance4g63]

Quote: Originally Posted by KBLover

If: Good fundamental football (blocking, route running, etc) Strategy/playcalling being deep without being cumbersome Good gameplay and controls Good AI Players perform to their ratings so that the top and weaker players are easy to see even without checking ratings (and if/when I do, the player is really good at whatever he's displaying on the field) Solid franchise mode with realistic simmed stats and good team management AI. Customization options both for game play and team/player creation Is wanting everything and being greedy, then yes, I'm greedy. And I'm greedy whether it's Backbreaker, Madden 11, Football Mogul, whatever. It's what I want out of sports games - in this case a football game. So, fine, I'm greedy. Am I supposed to be ashamed or something after this post? Or say "okay, since it's their first game, it could do nothing but tackles well and I'll be giddy with joy?"

Imo it may not be greedy but I would say that is unrealistic thinking based off the past and present state of football gaming.

[blackscorpion11]

Quote: Originally Posted by AnyGivenSunday

Child please! Madden sales won't break a sweat.

I would'nt be too sure about that, maybe not in one year but the numbers of people who are "Maddened out" is growing, myself included..you have to remember, madden's current sales numbers are based on a false read of the gamebuying public. Half of madden's sales come from the exclusive license.. The more alternatives that come on the scene, the bigger the bite into madden's sales will be. The madden series is on borrowed time unless it can extend the nfl license.

[blackscorpion11]

Quote: Originally Posted by kjcheezhead

That's just not true, at least for me. Point out a flaw in this game that you can't say is a problem and I'll agree. Injuries is a big flaw. I hated hearing that. 3 speed passing is same as Madden's. The pocket is about equal to Madden's. The camera view in my opinion is innovation. It's like pro-tak. Either you like it or not, but it is core to what the game wants to deliver. I just hate hearing knocks on BB involving parts of the game that aren't done well in the other game or knocks involving player models and such that were done because of potential lawsuits that's all.

Good post!

Football without injuries = arcade

it boggles my mind how these type of decisions are made..it tell you no football people were involved with this game.

So i can run my qb every play and never get hurt?? What kinda Clark kent, tim tebow BS is that??

[blackscorpion11]

Quote: Originally Posted by ODogg

Here's my main flaws: 1. Injuries not being in this game is the biggest simply because the technology shows the hits better than anything else - what were they thinking?? 2. Three speed passing is not the same as Madden if you can't choose your speed and type of pass. 3. The camera view is poor but the real issue is that there is no other option. It's one thing when there is only one camera and it's not bad (like NCAA/Madden for years) but it's another when the camera in the game is just outright not going to make a lot of folks happy. These are each pretty big flaws in themselves. But when you take them all together, well you just know somewhere an EA executive is smiling pretty broadly. And like I said, it's one thing to argue on here that a flaw won't bother you, and I'm sure some of them won't. It's especially liberating for some of you I know to really defend this game since it's the rebel against the dark Lord EA but it's an entirely different thing when you actually play the game and have to live with the flaws. That's why i'm saying, excusing these flaws is not going to help the devs of Backbreaker any. Constructive criticism and demanding more than the baseline, and some of these issue are baseline type issues, will serve the title better to continue to be more than a one-shot-and-done title. Something else to think about - how will the casual gamers, ie the non-hardcore, you know the vast majority of those who actually purchase sports games, feel when they put the game in and see these flaws? You think they're going to say "well that's the designers vision" or are they going to say "WTF????" and take their rental back and be done with the game? I'm betting most will choose the latter...

I agree with your last paragraph about gamers either liking it or hating it... but i disagree with bashing a camera view that none of us have even played yet.. I don't trust other people's opinion of whether i should like something or not.. i'll play it first.. EX. gears of war gave me motion sickness, but thats just me.

[KBLover]

Quote: Originally Posted by alliance4g63

Imo it may not be greedy but I would say that is unrealistic thinking based off the past and present state of football gaming.

Why is it unrealistic?

Because it's never been done, or because we've accepted less and have told ourselves that it can't be done?

It has been done pretty well in Football Pro (back in the 90s!), wasn't perfect of course, but the fact that game (and even the previous games in that series) probably as much of what's on my list more than modern games makes me think it's not so much unrealistic as it seems it's somehow not the focus of football games anymore.