Backbreaker Demo Available, Post Your Impressions Here

[roadman]

Quote: Originally Posted by granddogg

guys take the camra crap some place else this is about the game impression not if its sim or not...camra wise. p.s the cpu is getting better.

Who put you in charge of things?

The only thing right is that it's an impression thread, which, people can express their likes and dislikes about the camera or anything else about the game.

And sim or not sim is a part of an impression of the game.

[RaiderKtulu]

Quote: Originally Posted by Illustrator76

I appreciate your response, but you only chose to answer one part of one of my questions. If this game is so "sim", what about after-touch on the ball? That is totally unrealistic. You can argue that you don't have to use it, but: A.) That seems like a big component of the passing game and B.) I can say the same thing about including extra camera views that some people don't consider "sim". Also, I never once made a comparison to EA's football game and Backbreaker.

The "aftertouch" thing has been in other games too. Is there really a good way to let the user aim a pass, without doing what Fever did and having a target on the field? How would you make passing more "sim" on a standard PS3/360 controller? I guess maybe you could take the Geometry Wars approach and have the user move the stick in the exact direction they want to throw, but that'd be incredibly frustrating, and I have no doubt there'd be issues whenever you had multiple receivers in the same general area.

[Demoncrom]

Quote: Originally Posted by Illustrator76

I appreciate your response, but you only chose to answer one part of one of my questions. If this game is so "sim", what about after-touch on the ball? That is totally unrealistic. You can argue that you don't have to use it, but: A.) That seems like a big component of the passing game and B.) I can say the same thing about including extra camera views that some people don't consider "sim". Also, I never once made a comparison to EA's football game and Backbreaker.

Like anything else Sim is relative, these are still video games so some advantages have to be given tot he player. The after touch at least in my opinion is only slight and not something new to football games, if I recall properly 2k5 had the ability to lead the pass or something of that nature. Does that make it any less sim?

As for the camera it's a matter of preference and lots of people are not going to like it. I don't mind it that much because it makes things more hectic for me, but even in Madden you cannot see all the receivers at the same time, if you go to shotgun and have 2 of the 4 receivers run outs you wont see either of them when they make the break, in that sense being able to focus your view at least for me actually feels better. Again some people just won't like it and to make sales they may have to add it in, online though I would say it should be one or the other - both players should use the same view, everyone gets the same disadvantage.

For people who like the game thus far but have issues with the camera I have found that the more you play it the more you get used to it,

Note for all on the running game. I am finding the running in this game to be more satisfaction than in Madden - for the most part the blocks that should be held up are being held and when Im running 2 tight ends against a 3-4 I know I have the advantage for a few quick yards - as I should.unless they got 4 great LBs back there.

[Illustrator76]

Quote: Originally Posted by Demoncrom

Like anything else Sim is relative, these are still video games so some advantages have to be given tot he player. The after touch at least in my opinion is only slight and not something new to football games, if I recall properly 2k5 had the ability to lead the pass or something of that nature. Does that make it any less sim? As for the camera it's a matter of preference and lots of people are not going to like it. I don't mind it that much because it makes things more hectic for me, but even in Madden you cannot see all the receivers at the same time, if you go to shotgun and have 2 of the 4 receivers run outs you wont see either of them when they make the break, in that sense being able to focus your view at least for me actually feels better. Again some people just won't like it and to make sales they may have to add it in, online though I would say it should be one or the other - both players should use the same view, everyone gets the same disadvantage. For people who like the game thus far but have issues with the camera I have found that the more you play it the more you get used to it, Note for all on the running game. I am finding the running in this game to be more satisfaction than in Madden - for the most part the blocks that should be held up are being held and when Im running 2 tight ends against a 3-4 I know I have the advantage for a few quick yards - as I should.unless they got 4 great LBs back there.

Yeah, but leading the pass is something totally different from manipulating the ball after it is thrown. My point is just that some things have to be done to keep a video game fun and playable, and the pro-camera guys can't understand that. Instead, most of them want to cover up for the Backbreaker devs because they so desperately want something to beat EA's football game. I have said it before and others have said it too: "The lack of camera options will kill Backbreakers appeal to the masses and may be the main reason why people won't even give the game a chance." On top of the fact that it's just a plain bad camera, especially on offense.

I just can't see how any reasonable thinking person can argue against OPTIONS, especially in this sports gaming world where we want full customization and sliders for EVERYTHING.....Lets be able to alter every aspect of a players contract, lets be able to set ticket prices, lets be able to alter uniform artwork, stadium artwork and rosters, lets be able to set hot dog prices, let's be able to change the gameplay camera view.......woah woah wait a minute, slow down there feller, NOW you are going too far. It doesn't make sense.

[granddogg]

i just love breaking up the back and forth... p.s loving the camra man i love it...

[fldash]

Quote: Originally Posted by Illustrator76

Yeah, but leading the pass is something totally different from manipulating the ball after it is thrown. My point is just that some things have to be done to keep a video game fun and playable, and the pro-camera guys can't understand that. Instead, most of them want to cover up for the Backbreaker devs because they so desperately want something to beat EA's football game. I have said it before and others have said it too: "The lack of camera options will kill Backbreakers appeal to the masses and may be the main reason why people won't even give the game a chance." On top of the fact that it's just a plain bad camera, especially on offense.

So now we are dictating what is fun to other people based on what we like? To many the camera is FUN as it puts you in the action. To others it's not because it feels restrictive and annoying. That's just the way it goes, the camera won't change, the Devs have talked about the camera from the start saying that the game was designed around it. Unfortunately, some people won't like it, or get used to it, and they won't pay BB. That's no one's fault, just the nature of playing what you like.

[Illustrator76]

Quote: Originally Posted by fldash

So now we are dictating what is fun to other people based on what we like? To many the camera is FUN as it puts you in the action. To others it's not because it feels restrictive and annoying. That's just the way it goes, the camera won't change, the Devs have talked about the camera from the start saying that the game was designed around it. Unfortunately, some people won't like it, or get used to it, and they won't pay BB. That's no one's fault, just the nature of playing what you like.

I'm not dictating anything to anyone, I'm simply saying that options are good, and that you are not wrong for liking the camera and I am not wrong for hating it. There should be a solution that should appease us both; The Backbreaker devs severely dropped the ball on this one, and I feel that they are going to pay dearly for it. It sucks because the physics and graphics are very good and the game has potential.

[turftickler]

Guys, after a considerable amount of playing the Backbreaker demo, I have come to a few conclusions regarding the camera mode. I will have my thoughts on the camera mode for you all soon.

I will let it be known to all. The camera mode needs to stay. WE just have to get used to it. I couldn't run to save my life last night, but I continued to practice running on every team in the demo and now I can hold my own. Another thing. Every game will have some sort of exploits, bugs, glitches, but from what I have seen and felt so far with the BB demo, I am flat out loving it, issues and all.

My question is. Do you want realistic football or do you want to be able to control everything from a camera that shows everything and everyone. If want the God-view or birds eye view camera, the play a different game. I want real football and I finally have it after ESPN NFL 2k5.