Stopping the Slant

[TrevJo]

I love when defenders shift their d-line. Easy money for my offense.

[thelasthurtknee]

yea thats what i was thinking. everything he said is exactly what i want to see.

[youALREADYknow]

Quote: Originally Posted by TrevJo

I love when defenders shift their d-line. Easy money for my offense.

If you read this correctly, the line shift only occurs on the set up play... therefore you're gaining nothing by adjusting.

The steps described detail how to find out the player's secondary read, not how to stop slants.

There is no real reason to do a line shift to stop slants after you know their reads, so you wouldn't need to do it after that first play.

I'll be on later after I finish my OD game, so I'll play you. It's a bit unfair that you know what you're going to be looking for, but if all I need to prove is that man coverage works in the game and slants can be stopped then I don't think that will be a problem. Obviously I won't follow the advice above to a tee because you can't trick someone who knows what to expect.

[desertdevil88]

Quote: Originally Posted by youALREADYknow

If you read this correctly, the line shift only occurs on the set up play... therefore you're gaining nothing by adjusting. The steps described detail how to find out the player's secondary read, not how to stop slants. There is no real reason to do a line shift to stop slants after you know their reads, so you wouldn't need to do it after that first play. I'll be on later after I finish my OD game, so I'll play you. It's a bit unfair that you know what you're going to be looking for, but if all I need to prove is that man coverage works in the game and slants can be stopped then I don't think that will be a problem. Obviously I won't follow the advice above to a tee because you can't trick someone who knows what to expect.

Not to be a downer on well thought out defensive gameplans, but that sounds to me like a recipe for getting burned. The defense can't know exactly what the offense is going to do, unless your opponent is terrible. I wouldn't waste my time trying to find second and third options for the offense on particular plays. Vary coverages, put pressure on the QB and make it difficult for the offense. That's the best you can do. In the situations where you feel like there's a slant coming, use the play that you worked with in practice mode. I wouldn't go more complicated than that.

[youALREADYknow]

Quote: Originally Posted by desertdevil88

Not to be a downer on well thought out defensive gameplans, but that sounds to me like a recipe for getting burned. The defense can't know exactly what the offense is going to do, unless your opponent is terrible. I wouldn't waste my time trying to find second and third options for the offense on particular plays. Vary coverages, put pressure on the QB and make it difficult for the offense. That's the best you can do. In the situations where you feel like there's a slant coming, use the play that you worked with in practice mode. I wouldn't go more complicated than that.

He's in a 2 man online dynasty... there's only one other user and they burn him on the SAME ROUTES every game. If you wouldn't waste your time learning his strategy, then you don't care about stopping him on defense.

The things I'm talking about aren't going to work on every random person online, but let's be honest here... most people have 5-10 plays they use 90% of the time in this game. Once you have seen what formations these plays come out of, you should be able to practically predict what play is coming by the 2nd half if you've paid any attention.

Maybe most people don't care at all about defense which is why half of the online games end in scores of 52-45. If so, then that's fine for your strategy. I'm a defense first kind of player, so I take pride in being able to stop an opponent.

There are at least 10 plays each PvP game where I know the opponent's play and if I can force a few turnovers or make stops on those plays, then I've done my job.

[TrevJo]

Quote: Originally Posted by youALREADYknow

The things I'm talking about aren't going to work on every random person online, but let's be honest here... most people have 5-10 plays they use 90% of the time in this game. Once you have seen what formations these plays come out of, you should be able to practically predict what play is coming by the 2nd half if you've paid any attention. Maybe most people don't care at all about defense which is why half of the online games end in scores of 52-45. If so, then that's fine for your strategy. I'm a defense first kind of player, so I take pride in being able to stop an opponent. There are at least 10 plays each PvP game where I know the opponent's play and if I can force a few turnovers or make stops on those plays, then I've done my job.

I agree with everything you're saying here. I'm a defense-first player too. Most offensive players are very predictable and can be figured out as you described. Defense FTW.

[thelasthurtknee]

but ive never seen a good player use man and have any success as there base D. maybe a play here and there with safety help but its just to easy in my opinion. thats why i want to play youAlreadyknow and check this out. the second third read stuff im kinda lost on so i want to see that also. i only play heisman online which not only brings in better comp but the d plays alot tougher but it still often comes down to stick skills and i dont have to watch terrible middle school awarness by my D.

im interested not to prove anything to anyone but to see if i can learn something because i only throw man in depending on what the O formation is and if its read there is often nothing i can do about the catch but only the tackle. plus nothing makes me more mad than a 3 yard cross becoming 50 yards or a playaction to the fb with no one even close.

i know that we have one guy in our dyansty that runs man out of the 3-4 and plays decent against hums so i know it can be used with success but even he says he'll run it 80% against the cpu but about 40% against hums. i want to see this D. and what team do you play with? is your scheme one that you have to use a really good team or can it work with anyone? i think i know what you mean to a degree about the reads but are you switching guys as your reading or do you have a player that has no assignment that you use to float and read with?

[youALREADYknow]

Quote: Originally Posted by thelasthurtknee

but ive never seen a good player use man and have any success as there base D. maybe a play here and there with safety help but its just to easy in my opinion. thats why i want to play youAlreadyknow and check this out. the second third read stuff im kinda lost on so i want to see that also. i only play heisman online which not only brings in better comp but the d plays alot tougher but it still often comes down to stick skills and i dont have to watch terrible middle school awarness by my D. im interested not to prove anything to anyone but to see if i can learn something because i only throw man in depending on what the O formation is and if its read there is often nothing i can do about the catch but only the tackle. plus nothing makes me more mad than a 3 yard cross becoming 50 yards or a playaction to the fb with no one even close. i know that we have one guy in our dyansty that runs man out of the 3-4 and plays decent against hums so i know it can be used with success but even he says he'll run it 80% against the cpu but about 40% against hums. i want to see this D. and what team do you play with? is your scheme one that you have to use a really good team or can it work with anyone? i think i know what you mean to a degree about the reads but are you switching guys as your reading or do you have a player that has no assignment that you use to float and read with?

1. The guy who said 80% against CPU and 40% against HUM is pretty much dead on to how I use man coverage.

2. You don't need a great team, but you need to have comparable talent in the secondary to the opponent and a LB who is within 5 points of SPD of the opposing HB and TE. This speed difference determines how much I shade the HB/TE/FB and how often I can roam freely. The better the cornerbacks in the secondary, the better this works. It is nearly impossible to run man defense with bad cornerbacks and I wouldn't suggest that to anyone.

3. I'll always control a player with no assignment to begin with and I guess you can call it "floating" after the snap. Most times there is a specific route I'm trying to stop and that's my first task as the roaming defender, then I'll either move to a secondary assignment (HB/TE in the flats) or roam into another WR's route.

I've tried running man with West Virginia for example and it failed miserably because their talent in the secondary is atrocious. With Ohio State or Florida State, I'm usually able to make stops and force turnovers. Those are elite teams as examples, but you get the point. I'm using 67 OVR UNLV in my online dynasty and can force turnovers in man defense because I've recruited some great cornerbacks.

Anyways, sent you a friend request: McFlurry84. Should be playing an OD game in a few minutes, but we can play whenever we're both on.