Effectiveness of Flexbone

[coachchris]

Quote: Originally Posted by tate09

in real life the flexbone is anything but a gimmick offense. it is a system based on using formations to generate numbers or certain looks by defenses and then reading UNBLOCKED defenders. i am a triple option die hard but refuse to use it in this game because it's a joke how poorly implemented it is. real triple option fans could probably write a 10 page essay on how poorly this offense is reflected in the game. in NCAA football the flexbone is a pure gimmick offense. there is no one to read. your OL just blocks the guys in front of them and you just randomly decide whose turn it is to carry the ball. the only pitches end up being leverage pitches because the AI pursues every play with inside out leverage. the "midline qb iso." are you freakin kidding me? show me the unblocked 3 technique and i'll call it midline.

Yep, furthest thing from a gimmick offense. Maybe in NCAA10 it is but not in real life.

[TheShizNo1]

I played as GT against a friend who used Alabama. I won something like 22-0. I ony scored a TD once but offensivley definitely felt in control on offense the whole game. He even said he had no answer for it.

I asked why, and he said if he couldn't get to the QB early, he couldn't stop it. Which I liked, b/c that's basically how you stop it in real life, get the QB early

[pengland007]

I was able to keep up with Oklahoma against my friend while I was G Tech. I would of won the game had my team not fumbled 6 times. The score was 31-24 on Heisman. Its very effective, but the FB is your friend!

[TwelveozPlaya21]

Quote: Originally Posted by MacPlex

I played online w/ GT a couple of times it works against humans also. I was successful. You just have to know how to run it inside and outside to keep them honest.

what he said is pretty dead on, I always wanted to run the spread option in a online dynasty but last year it was pretty broken vs human teams, So i've played 3 games online with GT lost all 3(everyone uses OSU/UF) But I wanted to see how the option would work vs stacked teams and I had pretty good success doing so, it's just hard to win when you get down 2-3 touchdowns cause GT doesn't have a great defense.

My biggest problem if you are going to use them in a Online dynasty is, where are you going to find the offensive line guys with speed like they have now, cause I think 4 out of their 5 starters have 60 + speed you won't find anyone in recruiting like that maybe 1 or 2 a year but are usually 1,2 star guys. I think having a faster OL Is the key also.

[zanner]

Quote: Originally Posted by Millennium

I played against Florida online earlier with Navy. Lost, but could still run the ball effectively. You need to run it for what it is - a gimmick offense. It is built to fool an opponent with more talent than you. Use you fullback and quarterback. Use the fake pitch. It's all misdirection and clock control.

There's an issue with this "gimmick offense" statement. In the college football landscape now, it's no different than the WVU, UF, Utah Spread offense, and in UF's case I'm sure they don't run it because other teams have more talent.

The Spread Option offense is built to increase the number of options on each offensive play, which makes the defense's job very hard in sticking with their assignments. I haven't seen the playbook for this year's game but I highly doubt that it recreates the Spread Option accurately. Paul Johnson isn't going to run it with Georgia Tech because we lack talent, and he didn't run it at Georgia Southern because other teams were more talented. However, I understand and get it, a lot of people will call it a "gimmick offense" because it's not ran that much, just as the spread was a gimmick offense, just as the "talent-lacking" Nebraska wishbones, etc. Anything other than "Pro-Style" will get the tag of gimmick.

As to using it the way it's supposed to be used (and again the game won't ever be able to accurately portray the blocking) it's an effective offense depending on what the D is keying on and giving you. Watch their lineups and be willing to take a 3 yard gain from a QB keep. Every play isn't going to go the distance, and that's what has to be understood, but if you concentrate and make the right read at the snap, you can pull of a ton of yards whether you take it right up the middle, outside, or hit a lane with the QB.

[prd689]

Yes the flexbone is awesome against human players or comp players... I personally use the option run playbook though because it adds some spread (4 WR) sets... Flexbone and Wishbone are very effective because you get some awesome blockers and it pulls everyone to the line... Helps you actually read defenses better because everything is right in front of you. Play action is not very good out of Flexbone though because for some reason it allows defenders to get into the backfield much faster from what Ive experienced... Good Luck

[stylee]

Quote: Originally Posted by Millennium

I played against Florida online earlier with Navy. Lost, but could still run the ball effectively. You need to run it for what it is - a gimmick offense. It is built to fool an opponent with more talent than you. Use you fullback and quarterback. Use the fake pitch. It's all misdirection and clock control.

Well, no. It's not a "gimmick" offense - it's a scheme built on a specific philosophy: optioning defenders instead of blocking them, giving you a numbers advantage of blockers over defenders at another level.

It's no so much "misdirection" as it is read-and-react. The idiots with pretty hair on TV always talk about the "fake to the fullback."
Well, 9/10 it's not a fake, it's a decision made on the fly.

Basically, I'm saying everything everybody on this thread has already said.
And, as everyone has said, this game has never had it right. It's a silly offense in this game even when it works

Good going, guys

[SuperBowlNachos]

I've been using the Wishbone and Flexbone online. I am 4-1 with it so far using Texas and 3-1 using GT. I used the balanced playbook, it has both flexbone and wishbone a long with a lot of other plays.