Restrictions playing as Ohio State

[Wildcats302]

Quote: Originally Posted by NealN42

I'm also a fellow Buckeye, but I'm also a very well informed one...and can tell you with 100% certainty that the chances of us having a bowl ban are slim to none with slim recently leaving town. Never before in NCAA history has a team been given a bowl ban without forst getting a Lack of Institutional Control and/or Failure to Monitor charge by the NCAA, neither of which we got. Heck, UNC somehow even avoided those charges despite having 10x worse infractions than us. So if you want to be realistic, play the bowl game.

As an intelligent Buckeye fan, I would think you would know the NCAA is still very much investigating UNC for what they did my friend.

I think your team deserves a 1 game bowl ban myself and clearly Tressell failed to monitor his players and showed a lack of institutional control throughout the process, as did your AD. The whole trying to cover up and lying to the NCAA is pretty big stuff.

[NealN42]

Actually if you knew what Lack of Instituitonal Control means you wouldn't be saying that. Gene Smith (the AD) didn't know about this while it was going on, as Tressel wasn't telling anyone for some reason. So obviously the compliance dept. couldn't have known either, thus completely eliminating LOIC as a possible charge (which the NCAA obviously agreed with). 5-6 players selling their own memorabilia to get less expensive tattoos, and the coach staying quiet about it (who wasn't actually interviewed by the NCAA about it until right before his resignation, he just made the mistake of signing the document from OSU last year in response to the allegation stating he didn't know anything). With Tressel already having been forced out, Pryor leaving, the other 5 being suspended half the season, and a self imposed 2 year probation (which was decided upon after working with the NCAA, not just something we randomly came up with), and no further charges...how in the world is that NOT already more than enough punishment for such an incredibly trivial violation??

[shnuskis]

Quote: Originally Posted by NealN42

Actually if you knew what Lack of Instituitonal Control means you wouldn't be saying that. Gene Smith (the AD) didn't know about this while it was going on, as Tressel wasn't telling anyone for some reason. So obviously the compliance dept. couldn't have known either, thus completely eliminating LOIC as a possible charge (which the NCAA obviously agreed with). 5-6 players selling their own memorabilia to get less expensive tattoos, and the coach staying quiet about it (who wasn't actually interviewed by the NCAA about it until right before his resignation, he just made the mistake of signing the document from OSU last year in response to the allegation stating he didn't know anything). With Tressel already having been forced out, Pryor leaving, the other 5 being suspended half the season, and a self imposed 2 year probation (which was decided upon after working with the NCAA, not just something we randomly came up with), and no further charges...how in the world is that NOT already more than enough punishment for such an incredibly trivial violation??

Incredibly trivial violation? I don't follow it as close as you do, but I have heard the name Ray Small, heard of the 8 cars Pryor has "owned" since being at The Ohio State, and heard of the $20,000-$40,000 he reveived for selling autographs and memorbilia. And as Small said, everyone was doing it. The best deals were on cars he said. Interesting, because car deals were part of the Youngstown State investigation with Tressel too.

[CollegeFootball4Ever]

Rather than letting this get further into how much OSU did/did not know, and become an non-NCAA 12 thread, are there any other thoughts on good ways to restrict or manually assess some sort of punishments towards a program?

[shnuskis]

I like the ideas posted so far and think they are in line with where things are at IRL right now. But I have a question as to how to impiment not using the Championship Contender while recruiting on Heisman. You only get one "change subject" per call. Sometimes the same topic comes up two times. Do you use a promise you had no intention of using just to avoid using that topic?

[redsfan4life]

Quote: Originally Posted by shnuskis

Incredibly trivial violation? I don't follow it as close as you do, but I have heard the name Ray Small, heard of the 8 cars Pryor has "owned" since being at The Ohio State, and heard of the $20,000-$40,000 he reveived for selling autographs and memorbilia. And as Small said, everyone was doing it. The best deals were on cars he said. Interesting, because car deals were part of the Youngstown State investigation with Tressel too.

The NCAA hasn't recognized what Small said to this point as there's no evidence to back it up. It's simply hearsay at this point, wasn't included in the notice of allegations so it's not relevant.

[Montezuma]

They are far from done investigating. Its just gone silent because the media isn't breaking the stories. Its quiet, not over. OSU trumps UNC in a lot of ways. Total cash involved, players involved, timeline of offenses, involvement of the HC, history of this going back to 02.

IMO the Sugar Bowl Embarrassment will be the tipping point in the eventual bowl ban. Coach knew his guys were ineligible. The school and conference still lobbied for them to play. The NCAA caved like good little yes-men. Then it turns out much worse.

That NOA was up to a certain point. They can easily send another as more gets verified.

Quote: Originally Posted by redsfan4life

The NCAA hasn't recognized what Small said to this point as there's no evidence to back it up. It's simply hearsay at this point, wasn't included in the notice of allegations so it's not relevant.