Why bother with Heisman trophy?

[TarHeelPhenom]

See Case Keenum 2011-12. He has thrown for booku yards and TD's and won't win it this year.

[CavsFan4Life2]

I agree with Case Keenum, Barkley, and Ball this year. How is it that by the end of the bowl season montee ball will have probably tied or beaten barry sanders record for tds in a season and not win the heisman. Just doesn't seem right. Or keenum breaking almost every record.

[Blackout863]

Montee Ball isnt considered because like TTU QB's they are considered system RB's. The Heisman has been redefined from best player in the country to the best player on the best team in the country. Suh should have won the Heisman, same can be said for Toby Gerhart but neither did because their teams were average and the media is in love with the SEC.

[CavsFan4Life2]

How stupid is that. Montee Ball's only weakness is that his offensive line is too good. And his coaches put him in a system to succeed. Isn't that what there suppose to do. I hate all this talk about system players. Tim tebow won the heisman and he was a "system QB"

[Blackout863]

Every player is a system player but when you have one specific player like TTU QB's or Wisconsin RB's are just looked at differently because you can plug in a guy no matter who it is and they will succeed. I think oklahoma qbs are like TTU qb's because they throw just as much but b/c oklahoma always is in the title hunt and is more recognizable they are given a pass.

[JerseySuave4]

Quote: Originally Posted by Blackout863

Montee Ball isnt considered because like TTU QB's they are considered system RB's. The Heisman has been redefined from best player in the country to the best player on the best team in the country. Suh should have won the Heisman, same can be said for Toby Gerhart but neither did because their teams were average and the media is in love with the SEC.

But Ball is not just a system RB. Its not like the Texas Tech or Hawaii QBs. Wisconsin runs the ball a lot yes but they also pass as well. Its not just the system, its the fact that he's got 5 linemen that are 6'7+ 320+lbs and he is a good back. Its hard to use the "system" excuse for a RB especially when he isn't playing in an option offense, he's playing in a pro style offense. You can use that excuse for TT & Hawaii QBs because they throw the ball 50-60 times a game so of course their numbers will be ridiculous.

But consider this... Montee Ball leads the nation in rushing TDs with 34 despite not having a single carry in the 4th quarter in 6 of their 12 games. Thats nuts.

If Andrew Luck wins then the award is a joke. Luck is a great player but has not really done anything special this year. IMO its between Richardson and Ball with Keenum & Luck behind them.

[GOBLUE_08]

Quote: Originally Posted by JerseySuave4

But Ball is not just a system RB. Its not like the Texas Tech or Hawaii QBs. Wisconsin runs the ball a lot yes but they also pass as well. Its not just the system, its the fact that he's got 5 linemen that are 6'7+ 320+lbs and he is a good back. Its hard to use the "system" excuse for a RB especially when he isn't playing in an option offense, he's playing in a pro style offense. You can use that excuse for TT & Hawaii QBs because they throw the ball 50-60 times a game so of course their numbers will be ridiculous. But consider this... Montee Ball leads the nation in rushing TDs with 34 despite not having a single carry in the 4th quarter in 6 of their 12 games. Thats nuts. If Andrew Luck wins then the award is a joke. Luck is a great player but has not really done anything special this year. IMO its between Richardson and Ball with Keenum & Luck behind them.

Agreed but honestly the heisman has been a joke for some time now

[TDenverFan]

I thought the Heisman was supposed to be given to the player that means the most to his team.

That would be Case Keenum.

Last year, If I remember correctly, Houston started 3-0 with Keenum, he gets injured for the year, they finish 5-7. This year, they go pass happy and roll over CUSA with ease.