Online $10 extra for used copies.....

[mudman]

Quote: Originally Posted by lnin0

I think you have hit on something. This rabbit hole goes deeper than we ever expected. In light of your new theory we need to contact Washington. I think you might have also determined what really pushed GM into backrupcy. PEOPLE were selling their cars USED!!! GM was building cars but even thought they built and sold 1,000 cars; it turns out people where selling those same cars USED. So maybe 1,500 people owned those cars but GM only got paid for making 1000 cars. OMG. We must tell Washington about this plot. I bet the socialist responsible are in deeper than we think....it might not just be people selling used games and cars....this could go a lot deeper. In fact, I think I drove past a garage sale on the way to work. I am going to contact the feds about this right now and have them shut it down ... or at least get a cut for all the manufacturers they are trying to screw.

You've missed the point entirely.

I'm going to add to what others have already said is wrong with your post.

The auto industry is a HORRIBLE comparison to make, one that isn't even valid in this case. Digital media is an entirely different situation. DVD's, CD's, Blu-ray, etc have, basically, and infinite life span. What that means is fairly basic. A used game sale is a lost sale to the company who made the game. A used car sale is not a lost sale to the manufacturer because that car has a finite life span. Say a car lasts 200,000 miles. After 100k, the owner sells it. He just basically transferred the remaining 100,000 miles to someone else. But, when that 200,000 miles is up and that car gets scrapped, a new sale will have to be made to replace it. Digital media, because it basically lasts forever, doesn't work that way.

I really don't get how people can't see how bad the used game business is for the gaming industry.

[DonkeyJote]

Quote: Originally Posted by FAIRDALE_KINGS

From the EA FAQ: Do I need an unique Online Pass for every user on my console? No. One Online Pass will give online access to multiple users logged into the console where the Online Pass was first activated (subject to the console manufacturer’s and EA online terms of service). Also, the user that activated the Online Pass will be allowed to access online features on other consoles (of the same manufacturer) by logging into the same account credentials that they used when they enabled the Online Pass. *** That's cool if you are the only person that is going to be playing the game in your household... But I have four Xbox 360 consoles in my house and there are three unique gamer tags- mine, my son and my daughter. We all love to play NCAA Football, including my daughter, and it will not always be on the same console with the same gamertag. If I'm using my gamertag FAIRDALE KINGS to play Madden '11 in the living room on the 56" HDTV or whatever other EA Sports title that is associated with a particular game... while my son or daughter wants to play NCAA '11 in their bedroom it will be impossible unless we fork up another $20. Also... there is no way that I'm going to allow my son or daughter to play online against their friend's using my gamertag.... and taking losses under my gamertag. That isn't going to happen. If I purchase a game for $60 I should be able to let my kids play the game with their OWN gamertags and NOT be charged an additional $10 for each additional person in the house that wants to play the game with their own unique gamertag. I'm already paying $150/ year for three Xbox Live gamertags. And I purchased the game new for $60. But that doesn't give me the right to allow my kids to play the game unless they pay an additional $10 for each additional gamertag. Yeah right! It's also not practical to only play NCAA '11 on my console, Madden '11 on my son's console, Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 11 on my daughter's console and NBA Live '11 on my wife's console. This makes no sense. At least when I played NCAA Football on the old Xbox we had some decent stat keeping to check out opponent tendencies. The so-called new services associated with Season Pass will not be worth any additional revenue that EA Sports is bringing in. This move really hurts families where there are multiple consoles in the household. I can't wait until some idiot types in the wrong Season Pass access code and inadvertantly registers the wrong code on a console... thus rendering the Average Joe's legitimate access code useless. Mark my words. This will be a nightmare for EA Sports.

While you do have a point, I doubt that is a fairly rare occurrence. Most people would likely either let their kids play on their tag, or not let their kids play online. But I understand your point. By the same token though, EA loses money to used game sales and they have to try to do something to recoup some of that money. In the future, there will likely just be digital downloading and/or the money lost to used games will be flipped to the customer buying new games in the form of higher prices. This seems like it's a good way of convincing people to buy the game new rather than buy it used. You can't expect EA to say "aw, shucks, well I guess we're okay with making less money." It's a business, and they have just as much a responsibility to their shareholders as they do their customers.

[Skyboxer]

Quote: Originally Posted by Cusefan

its cool w/ me. This will keep the little kids out.

Same here. VERY Cool IMO.

[Exonerated]

Quote: Originally Posted by Sven Draconian

Terrible comparison for a few reasons. 1) Auto companies do not continue to pay to support the car once it is sold. EA does have to pay to support online play (servers). 2) Auto companies still make money on USED cars. How? Car parts. Everytime someone on a car breaks, they are paying for a replacement part, manufactured by the car company. There are no replacement parts on a game. 3) There is a qualitative difference between a new and used car. That doens't exist with games. A used car has less value, because things will break sooner (see point 2). It is also likely to have wear and tear which decrease the enjoyability of the car. Buying a car "new" has added value becaue it's going to be in better condition and last longer. A used game is exactly the same as a new game. In short a used car is still profitable for an auto-company because they are going to continue to sell parts (and repair them in dealer shops).

This man understands.

[TajDeni]

if i buy the game used and dont pay for the online fee...will i still be able to receive the patches.

[TajDeni]

the main problem as i see it is that the video game industry is the only industry where in if the quality of the product is not up to snuf you cannot take the product back to the store for a full refund.

but the way that gamestop has it set up, you can basically rent the game for 7 days in order to see if its of proper quality if its not you take it back.

so to me the real issue here is "quality" of work and i personally dont feel bad for these companies because their past previous practices have put them in this situation i didnt. ppl got tired of getting burnt so more and more went used or gamefly.

so in other words this isnt a charge and extra $10 problem its a step your game up problem.....when they do that then ppl will go back to buying games new again..

given all EA has put us thru its just now very smart imo to buy their titles new.

[DonkeyJote]

Quote: Originally Posted by TajDeni

the main problem as i see it is that the video game industry is the only industry where in if the quality of the product is not up to snuf you cannot take the product back to the store for a full refund. but the way that gamestop has it set up, you can basically rent the game for 7 days in order to see if its of proper quality if its not you take it back. so to me the real issue here is "quality" of work and i personally dont feel bad for these companies because their past previous practices have put them in this situation i didnt. ppl got tired of getting burnt so more and more went used or gamefly. so in other words this isnt a charge and extra $10 problem its a step your game up problem.....when they do that then ppl will go back to buying games new again.. given all EA has put us thru its just now very smart imo to buy their titles new.

What other industry can you get a full refund if you don't like it? Unless there is a special guarantee, once you buy it, it's yours. There are exceptions, but for the most part, you live with your purchase. You can't buy a cheeseburger, eat it, decide you didn't like it and get your money back. You can't watch a movie, say you didn't like it, get your money back. You can't buy a car, decide 2 weeks later you didn't like it, and take it back and get your money back. That's a fact of life. That's why when you are making a purchase of that size, you do research before you do it, because you are going to have to live with the product after you buy it.

[TajDeni]

Quote: Originally Posted by DonkeyJote

What other industry can you get a full refund if you don't like it? Unless there is a special guarantee, once you buy it, it's yours. There are exceptions, but for the most part, you live with your purchase. You can't buy a cheeseburger, eat it, decide you didn't like it and get your money back. You can't watch a movie, say you didn't like it, get your money back. You can't buy a car, decide 2 weeks later you didn't like it, and take it back and get your money back. That's a fact of life. That's why when you are making a purchase of that size, you do research before you do it, because you are going to have to live with the product after you buy it.

there are tons of things you can buy and take back..

ok lets say you go out to dinner, you finally get your steak and within a few bites you realise its not cooked the way you asked for it to be..no you cant eat the whole steak...the resturaunt will bend over backwards to give you a new stake , plus probably give you the meal 4 free...and depending on how much fuss you make prolly a free voucher to come back.

now obviously there is a time-table for all things...meaning you cannot eat the whole hamburger then ask 4 a refund...but you most certainly can take a bite and realise something is wrong wit the burger, turn around march rt back in2 food place and ask 4 a refund.

as far as cars they have the lemon rule....no dealer can sell you a car that does not work..period! thats why all cars come with atleast a 60-day/3000miles warrenty.

you can take anything back to walmart that doesnt work properly and ask for refund as long as you have a receipt if what you bought does not live up to what was advertised to you..or is broken.

which comes back to video games....a friend of mine brought their kid the iron man game..because the little boy like all things iron man...the game is terrible. so terrible that all parties should be sued for the game even being on the shelf. so terrible the kid 6yrs old played it for 10mins then said this game sucks...and you know what he was right

so i ask you again...if i buy a game and that game has several bugs that dramaticly effect gameplay..glitches that make me deem the game unplayable...glitches that wont be patched 4 maybe 2mos(maybe not at all). i shouldnt be able to get a full refund....

are you seriously making that claim...cause i dont wanna put words in your mouth but sure sounds like thats what your saying....

let me clarify no i dont tahink you should play the game 4 a wk then decide that the game is unplayable...im taking within a few hrs maybe a day or 2...but im sure im not the only person to purchase a game and within minutes know this game is terrible.

as 4 me, buying used is a way to make sure the product is up to a satisfactory level..

say i purchased madden 06 for the 360, i bet i wasnt the only person who purchesed the game not knowing that it didnt even have a dynasty mode just season mode..or maybe i was sick of maybe wanted 2 try something new 1yr, so i purchased AP2k8 only to find out it also didnt have a dynasty mode....

according 2 you i shouldnt be allowed to take it back if it lacked key features that are pretty much standard in sports games. and because i purchased the game new thats exactly what happend.

again i say it again...1 of the reasons ppl started buying games used is because the quality of games have gone down...nowadays you can just drop a game on its release date knowing darn well its full of bugs and glitches that effect gameplay and just promise to patch it later...all the while they have my money and i have a game i deem broken..

obviously some games i do buy new but that being said i just wanta know if i buy used game and that game needs patching will i be excluded from that patching if i dont pay the online fee...