Well, it finally happened...

[bccards13]

I've only broken one controller ever and its been over Call of Duty. Honestly a football game isn't worth losing you're controller over but sometimes you just need to throw the thing into your bed or hit it with your hand or something. Not saying you should but as me and my friends like to say "This games cheating! How am I supposed to win if I can't f***ing move!"

[HotFudgeDragon]

Quote: Originally Posted by tmack10

Dude, its not a you problem. To play this game and enjoy it you have no choice but to glitch and put some joystick code in to better allow catches and run plays and defensive plays to do what they were intended. On heisman you can't run or pass for nothing unless you glitch the game or use some type of joystick configuration to slowdown the CPU transfer data process. Thats as simple as it gets.

I play on Heisman and run for well over 1500 yards per season. Just got to stick with it. If I get stuffed for 0 yards on a play, I don't give up on the run.

[mra85a]

To the person who called me out saying that it is a "me" problem that I can't stop a scrambling QB, I'm sorry, you're amazingly wrong. Every outlet I go to, I see the same thing "my LB just watched the QB run by him!" If I could call a spy play, that would help, but if the CPU is in hurry up, well, umm, I'm kinda screwed because that means I basically have to call the exact same play every down...which blows.

To the people that say that I ran for 1500 yards every year, great, good for you. If I wanted to simply pound the ball between the hashes every play from I form, I probably could have too...but guess what, I like to try and open up the field, I like to run out of shotgun, which isn't bad, and also run to the outside, which is very close to impossible to do in the game because of the psychic DB's.

As far as passing, all of you who called me out, get out of here. Again, everything I see is completion PCT's around 50%, and most people that say the game plays well that I see on here have a 2 or 3 to 1 run to pass ratio...It that is your cup of tea, fine...but even running a balanced offense in this game is damn near impossible, because if you have a DI QB that plays like he is in HS, how can you establish a passing game? How can you establish a passing game if the Psychic AI has taken the fade, post, curl, and deep out pass plays out of the game?

Everyone is right, it is dumb to break a controller, I felt like an idiot for it. Hence, that is why I traded in the game...and pre-ordered NBA 2K12. If a game is so effed up, and I feel that cheated when I play it, I'm sorry, it is a horrible game....

And again, don't tell me it is a you problem, because there would be a lot of you's on this board...I'm to the point, completely convinced, that a lot of peopple that have success with this game are running money plays...that the people that run for 200 yards ever game are running the same 4 running plays.....because otherwise, I don't see how it is possible.

[sniperscout75]

Quote: Originally Posted by mra85a

1. If I could call a spy play, that would help 2.To the people that say that I ran for 1500 yards every year, great, good for you. If I wanted to simply pound the ball between the hashes every play from I form, I probably could have too...but guess what, I like to try and open up the field, I like to run out of shotgun, which isn't bad, and also run to the outside, which is very close to impossible to do in the game because of the psychic DB's. 3.As far as passing, all of you who called me out, get out of here. Again, everything I see is completion PCT's around 50%, and most people that say the game plays well that I see on here have a 2 or 3 to 1 run to pass ratio...It that is your cup of tea, fine...but even running a balanced offense in this game is damn near impossible, because if you have a DI QB that plays like he is in HS, how can you establish a passing game? How can you establish a passing game if the Psychic AI has taken the fade, post, curl, and deep out pass plays out of the game? 4. And again, don't tell me it is a you problem, because there would be a lot of you's on this board...I'm to the point, completely convinced, that a lot of peopple that have success with this game are running money plays...that the people that run for 200 yards ever game are running the same 4 running plays.....because otherwise, I don't see how it is possible.

Ok, so I numbered the relevant portions of your post to show where I completely disagree with you and to point out your own logic flaws. Ill match my numbers to the ones above to illustrate. I couldnt be any more of a straight player by the way. No cheezing, no calling the same play over and over. I play on Heisman difficulty/heisman recruiting, 6 min qtrs, default slider settings.

1. Um, you can call spy plays even with no huddle you probably just dont know how. Ever thought of taking a backer and having him spy(called hotrouting your defensive players)? If the cpu keeps scrambling ever thought of audibling your DE's to spy or crash out? These are both very effective ways to stop scrambling qb's and you would know this if you worked on your game.

2. You claim people can only run between the hashes which is absolutely laughable as you just dont know how. You can absolutely run between the hashes as well as outside in this game but this actually requires you to read defenses and know when its ok to run outside vs. inside.

3. You claim that one can only pass to slant routes in this game. Thats also funny as my plays consist of slants, corners, posts, outs, ins, comebacks. My avg yearly pass pct. is around 65-70% depending on my QB at the time. Again this requires reading the defense and knowing when to throw certain passes given certain defenses.

4. You claim people only call the same 4 plays that have success. My playbook consists of 12 formations with roughly 180 - 200 plays in. Now, I dont use every play every game as this isnt possible. However I do in fact run about 30 seperate and different plays each game and coupling that with hotrouting you can make these plays alone be different each and every time you line up. My offense avgs about 70 offensive plays total each game.

My point in all of this is that just because you and some others dont have success playing this game to automatically say that any who does is either glitching, cheezing, or putting codes in and such is just extremely funny to me. This in turn leaves me with the opinion that indeed this is still a you problem as for me personally again, I couldnt be any more straight if I was a board.

I am no better of a player than many others out there but again I have taken effort in to running my plays correctly and getting good at reading defenses. I know that there are some that have the same problems as you. I would tell them the same thing. Look in the mirror as they also have a "you" problem. Im not claiming that this game is free of flaws or perfect in gameplay. However I run what I consider to be a very realistic offense on heisman and it just requires effort on your part to learn these things as opposed to.... well...... breaking controllers.

Now, I wish you the best with your other games (sincerely) as this game just didnt seem that you enjoyed it and based on your other post that was locked you traded it in. I cant argue one bit with that as some games just arent for some people.

[mra85a]

To point number 2, watch this video. You really can't read defenses when this happens....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpn_DXww3Es


To point number 3, again, basically it doesn't come down to reading a defense. Plays that normally work, say a post over the middle against a cover 2 D do not generally work, simply because if you lob the ball, the Safety will instantly react, and make a freakish play to stop the play, and if you bullet pass, the LB jumps up and knocks it down in a unrealistic fashion...and in man coverage, there is no reading the defense, because when a DB jumps your route BEFORE a pass, how can you make a read? To me, it basically turns into how can you out cheat the defensive AI?

BTW, to me, the fact that you run only 30 plays, that tells me that the game only has certain plays that work. I won't claim to know how many plays a college team has in their playbook, but I would imagine it is more than 30, and everyone of those plays, if executed properly, will more than likely work....the fact of the matter is, there are multiple, multiple plays in this game, that no matter how you execute them, do not work.

Again, I did not enjoy a game that turned into out cheating a defense...that is all really.

[sniperscout75]

Quote: Originally Posted by mra85a

To point number 2, watch this video. You really can't read defenses when this happens....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpn_DXww3Es To point number 3, again, basically it doesn't come down to reading a defense. Plays that normally work, say a post over the middle against a cover 2 D do not generally work, simply because if you lob the ball, the Safety will instantly react, and make a freakish play to stop the play, and if you bullet pass, the LB jumps up and knocks it down in a unrealistic fashion...and in man coverage, there is no reading the defense, because when a DB jumps your route BEFORE a pass, how can you make a read? To me, it basically turns into how can you out cheat the defensive AI? BTW, to me, the fact that you run only 30 plays, that tells me that the game only has certain plays that work. I won't claim to know how many plays a college team has in their playbook, but I would imagine it is more than 30, and everyone of those plays, if executed properly, will more than likely work....the fact of the matter is, there are multiple, multiple plays in this game, that no matter how you execute them, do not work. Again, I did not enjoy a game that turned into out cheating a defense...that is all really.

Ok, you arent reading my posts obviously. I never said that there werent flaws in the game. I never said I only run 30 plays. Care to show me where I said either of these things?

You cant because they arent there. I said that Each game I run about 30 different and seperate plays. Thats every game I play. So it may be this 30 this game, and that 30 the next game. Moreover these arent exact numbers but just to illustrate a point that you obviously missed.

Ive said repeatedly that there are flaws in the game and ai logic but again you seem to be reading what you want in my posts.

[mra85a]

Quote: Originally Posted by sniperscout75

Ok, you arent reading my posts obviously. I never said that there werent flaws in the game. I never said I only run 30 plays. Care to show me where I said either of these things? You cant because they arent there. I said that Each game I run about 30 different and seperate plays. Thats every game I play. So it may be this 30 this game, and that 30 the next game. Moreover these arent exact numbers but just to illustrate a point that you obviously missed. Ive said repeatedly that there are flaws in the game and ai logic but again you seem to be reading what you want in my posts.

Ok, sorry for misinterpretting...again, I just have a hard time believing you are completing 65-70% of your passes to this point....just basing on what I am seeing others post, I find it very very hard to believe.

BTW, how are you like Holgy so far? Have him and Bobby boy gone out for a night on the town and got kicked out of any casinos yet

[sniperscout75]

Quote: Originally Posted by mra85a

Ok, sorry for misinterpretting...again, I just have a hard time believing you are completing 65-70% of your passes to this point....just basing on what I am seeing others post, I find it very very hard to believe. BTW, how are you like Holgy so far? Have him and Bobby boy gone out for a night on the town and got kicked out of any casinos yet

LOL, he hasnt gotten kicked out anymore but im sure they have him on a leash. I honestly dont like the way they look so far this year. To me they are playing uninspired football and seem to be just going through the motions. WV has always had a reputation for playing up or down to their opponents unfortunately.

If we can get by what I believe to be a good Maryland team this weekend Im anxious to see what if anything we can do to LSU at home.

Sorry mods for going off topic of NCAA 12 for just a minute but it was a welcomed break in the debate between Mra and myself lol.