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[Serengeti1]

Anyone else not sure on Woodley having lower striking stats than several fighters in the division? I'm glad they buffed his grappling but his bottom game should still be pretty low. Which I would have thought would have brought it to around 92 instead of 93. I say this so buffing the striking would still keep things balanced (also just think that's what it should be like).

Thompson having 95 and Woodley only having 90 in striking seems very odd. I understand they are overall ratings but yeah. Even Lawler having higher striking. You can say he only has power all you want but it's not just that. There's plenty of guys who have a lot of power that are never able to KO anyone. You need more than power to KO people. The truth is Woodley has been the more effective striker in all his recent fights and that hasn't been represented in the stats. I wouldn't be mad at Thompson having a higher rating overall... but not by that much.

[Nugget7211]

Quote: Originally Posted by Serengeti95

Anyone else not sure on Woodley having lower striking stats than several fighters in the division? I'm glad they buffed his grappling but his bottom game should still be pretty low. Which I would have thought would have brought it to around 92 instead of 93. I say this so buffing the striking would still keep things balanced (also just think that's what it should be like). Thompson having 95 and Woodley only having 90 in striking seems very odd. I understand they are overall ratings but yeah. Even Lawler having higher striking. You can say he only has power all you want but it's not just that. There's plenty of guys who have a lot of power that are never able to KO anyone. You need more than power to KO people. The truth is Woodley has been the more effective striker in all his recent fights and that hasn't been represented in the stats. I wouldn't be mad at Thompson having a higher rating overall... but not by that much.

Let's talk through what the actual strike stats are.
Speed-Woodley's should be high
power-obviously, this should be good
footwork-it's decent but he doesn't do much with it, it shouldn't be too high
accuracy-He's not too accurate, he's just incredibly powerful so he doesn't need to be, he dropped wonderboy by hitting him in the eyebrow
switch stance-Woodley never switches, shouldn't be high.

So, all those averaging out to 90 makes perfect sense to me. I might have missed a stat, but I think I've illustrated my point

[Serengeti1]

Quote: Originally Posted by Nugget7211

Let's talk through what the actual strike stats are. Speed-Woodley's should be high power-obviously, this should be good footwork-it's decent but he doesn't do much with it, it shouldn't be too high accuracy-He's not too accurate, he's just incredibly powerful so he doesn't need to be, he dropped wonderboy by hitting him in the eyebrow switch stance-Woodley never switches, shouldn't be high. So, all those averaging out to 90 makes perfect sense to me. I might have missed a stat, but I think I've illustrated my point

He should have very high power and speed. The fact that he's fast enough to hit a guy hard repeatedly who is so good with distance and is so precise and calculated like Thompson speaks for itself. His footwork has worked out for him so far. He's good at range management. I don't agree that he's not accurate. He barely throws hard but when he does he manages to land often. His striking accuracy is actually better than Thompson's overall on fightmetric. 47% to 44%. Stats like that only mean so much because it's a guy pressing a button but I think that's reflective of reality. Woodley is an accurate striker.

I doubt there's any hope of them changing it because the last game went the full cycle with Woodley having far lower grappling stats than he should have but that definitely stuck out to me from looking at the stats. I'm not a huge Woodley fan or anything... It just jumped out at me.

[Nugget7211]

Quote: Originally Posted by Serengeti95

He should have very high power and speed. The fact that he's fast enough to hit a guy hard repeatedly who is so good with distance and is so precise and calculated like Thompson speaks for itself. His footwork has worked out for him so far. He's good at range management. I don't agree that he's not accurate. He barely throws hard but when he does he manages to land often. His striking accuracy is actually better than Thompson's overall on fightmetric. 47% to 44%. Stats like that only mean so much because it's a guy pressing a button but I think that's reflective of reality. Woodley is an accurate striker. I doubt there's any hope of them changing it because the last game went the full cycle with Woodley having far lower grappling stats than he should have but that definitely stuck out to me from looking at the stats. I'm not a huge Woodley fan or anything... It just jumped out at me.

Fightmetric accuracy numbers don't tell the whole story to me, because they don't differentiate between clean and glancing shots, it's just a binary percentage, but I take your point. I also didn't mean to imply that he has bad accuracy or footwork, I just meant that they aren't exactly incredible, not bad or anything, but Woodley never comes to mind for incredible footwork or striking accuracy. All I was saying is that Woodley having 2 really good striking stats (speed and power), 2 middling ones (footwork and accuracy) and a bad one (switch stance), it doesn't surprise me that it averages at 90.

Like, if his speed and power are 97 and 96, his footwork and accuracy are 88 and 89 and his switch stance is 82, that would average out to 90.4 and none of those jump out to me as awful or unfair for Woodley. To be clear, those numbers are just guesses that would average to 90, I have no idea what his stats actually are.

[Serengeti1]

Quote: Originally Posted by Nugget7211

Fightmetric accuracy numbers don't tell the whole story to me, because they don't differentiate between clean and glancing shots, it's just a binary percentage, but I take your point. I also didn't mean to imply that he has bad accuracy or footwork, I just meant that they aren't exactly incredible, not bad or anything, but Woodley never comes to mind for incredible footwork or striking accuracy. All I was saying is that Woodley having 2 really good striking stats (speed and power), 2 middling ones (footwork and accuracy) and a bad one (switch stance), it doesn't surprise me that it averages at 90. Like, if his speed and power are 97 and 96, his footwork and accuracy are 88 and 89 and his switch stance is 82, that would average out to 90.4 and none of those jump out to me as awful or unfair for Woodley. To be clear, those numbers are just guesses that would average to 90, I have no idea what his stats actually are.

I think the accuracy stat would be too low there. The footwork is something I'd have to look at more fight footage for. But I mean... Think about Woodley fights... Do you recall him whiffing that much? When he flurries and bursts forward... He often lands. Landed a lot of body punches against Thompson too. He's very good at doing just enough. As far as the punches often being glancing shots... Eh. Not sure how much I'd agree with that. He often lands pretty flush.





Seems pretty damn accurate to me. I guess we're chalking this one up to racism.

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[Nugget7211]

Quote: Originally Posted by Serengeti95

I think the accuracy stat would be too low there. The footwork is something I'd have to look at more fight footage for. But I mean... Think about Woodley fights... Do you recall him whiffing that much? When he flurries and bursts forward... He often lands. Landed a lot of body punches against Thompson too. He's very good at doing just enough. As far as the punches often being glancing shots... Eh. Not sure how much I'd agree with that. He often lands pretty flush. Seems pretty damn accurate to me. I guess we're chalking this one up to racism.

I'd honestly like to know what the accuracy stat governs before we argue about it more, because it clearly doesn't actually affect whether strikes land or not. And the reason I don't think Woodley should have a good footwork stat is because he doesn't really use good footwork. Like, it's not good footwork to circle with your back to the cage constantly, it's not good footwork to sprint at people and throw an overhand. It works for him, obviously, but it's not good footwork. But yeah, I wouldn't hate Woodley being like 91 overall or whatever, it's just I completely get it being at 90, especially if you consider his switch might be 80 (the minimum) because he never switches. Woodley is an effective striker with a fairly simplistic toolkit, and I personally think his stats reflect that quite well.

And please don't call me a racist, even as a joke dude

[Serengeti1]

Quote: Originally Posted by Nugget7211

I'd honestly like to know what the accuracy stat governs before we argue about it more, because it clearly doesn't actually affect whether strikes land or not. And the reason I don't think Woodley should have a good footwork stat is because he doesn't really use good footwork. Like, it's not good footwork to circle with your back to the cage constantly, it's not good footwork to sprint at people and throw an overhand. It works for him, obviously, but it's not good footwork. But yeah, I wouldn't hate Woodley being like 91 overall or whatever, it's just I completely get it being at 90, especially if you consider his switch might be 80 (the minimum) because he never switches. Woodley is an effective striker with a fairly simplistic toolkit, and I personally think his stats reflect that quite well. And please don't call me a racist, even as a joke dude

Nah bro. I meant EA are the racists (inb4 ban). EDIT: Which is obviously a joke. Woodley accuses everyone of racism. It's a meme. Felt the need to explain that since Retracted is in here now ready to do his thing and act like he isn't the only one that wants me to be banned.

His footwork being mediocre I can handle (I think... would have to go watch more). As far his back being to the cage... He likes to fight like that to draw people in so he has a lot of space to charge and flurry. It's a tactical decision. He's much more comfortable there. It can be exploited but it also often works in his favour.

The stance switch stat should obviously be low.

Just the idea that there are 5 people in the division who should be more effective in the game on the feet than Woodley (higher striking stats) does not sit well with me. 2 of which he has beaten. And the other 2 being a strong possibility he'd clobber or KO on the feet too (Conor & GSP). Neither are certain but both guys get hit. And Woodley hits people. Hard. The last one is Bruce Lee.

The issue I have with saying it's just an overall rating is that the best strikers on UFC 2 often had the best overall ratings. Henderson would have had a high power rating but he still sucked.

Hopefully they've gotten that down better this time. The bottom line is I should be highly competitive on the feet striking with anyone in the division as Woodley (assuming me and my opponent are of the same skill level).