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Old 08-21-2018, 12:22 PM   #9
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Re: Re-thinking Move Levels For EA Sports UFC 4

I def. think move levels need some re-work, and differing animations is a great idea.

Would really like to see SPEED and ACCURACY also affected by move level in some way, and specific animations could be a big part of that.

I'd prefer to see more level 3, 4, and 5 moves assigned to fighters as compared to how it's done now.

So your 'average' fighter has several level 3 moves, maybe even a level 4 move. Whereas 'elite' fighters have a few level 5; several level 4; and many level 3 (probably no level 2 or level 1 unless they are very grappler-focused).

I would really like to see move levels on the GROUND & CLINCH be re-worked and made a lot more robust/important.

Where for example, having Level 1 Core Clinch Moves vs. Level 4 Core Clinch Moves would make a huge difference in your ability to perform well in the clinch. NOT just how quickly your transition bar fills up in the clinch....more nuanced than that....perhaps affects your Clinch Denial Cooldown; affects how much damage you do in the clinch (also takes into account your PWR Rating); affects your locomotion/speed/pushing ability in the clinch; etc.

Oh and just as important --- an explanation of these details in-game For all I know level 3 core clinch moves already DO give you a big advantage in clinch compared to level 1....but it doesn't seem like there's much of a correlation, besides Attributes from those cards in Ultimate Team I guess.
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Old 08-21-2018, 12:35 PM   #10
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Re: Re-thinking Move Levels For EA Sports UFC 4

Yh I like this idea and it's one of the things I liked about UD3 cuz it showed differences between some fighters that had good technique vs poor technique. It would be great to get this kind of thing in the game.
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Old 08-21-2018, 12:42 PM   #11
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Yeah for sure. This needs to happen.
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Old 08-21-2018, 12:44 PM   #12
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I agree. It's weird to go into a match and you see Khabib using the same leg kick animations as your Barboza. It's one of those things that's jarring to look at and prevents the game from resembling real MMA from afar in the same way that a good NBA game can.

If I had to break it down, I'd say there are a few things holding the game back from truly looking like the real deal:

-Not enough bad/mediocre animation sets

-Not enough "signature" animation sets (Cro Cop has same head kick as everyone else)

-Outcomes of knockdowns and ground scrambles are too limited in scope, leading to these situations feeling inorganic

-Blocking animations take fighters out of their signature stances, removing a large element of fighter aesthetic (this is one that Martial and I have talked about a lot - he believes that the far-non-blocking animation is what it should look like to not block at all, and the close idles are what blocking should look like, and I agree)

-Kick / punch power being tied together leads to an inauthentic in-game presentation. Conor has crazy punch power. Accurate. Then he throws a rear leg kick with the same force (or close to Barboza) and snaps the leg back of the opponent. Inaccurate. This matters in terms of gameplay but also aesthetic, because his unrealistic kick power affects the reactions of the opponent in an unrealistic looking way.

-Everyone having the same head movement style looks inauthentic. Anderson moves his head with the same animation as Khabib, lol. This is something I feel like FNC got right, but it helped because characters could block while slipping and had signature block stances. So a Tyson peekaboo slip looked nothing like a hands down Ali slip, which looked nothing like a Foreman mummy slip.

-Fighter tics and idles need some sprucing up. In real life you often see fighters doing little micro-feints, reaching out to hand fight (which could maybe be an actual mechanic), walking into range (like with a slow, realistic cadence). Sometimes they'll push a palm into a glove to make sure the glove is on tight. When Anderson was in the zone and planting during head movement, he'd sort of bounce on his heels. These little micro-mannerisms are missing or just very muted. These are the things that make fighters look like actual feeling humans and not robots / mannequins.

-In the game, fighters' faces wince really hard in pain. In real life, you only see that kind of wincing from groin strikes or liver shots. Go into practice mode and just punch Nick or Nate Diaz in the head and pay attention to their faces. They look like goblins. Like they stop even looking like Nate and Nick, who are stone faced killers. The game's facial animation system is overblown, and it makes fighters look like they've lost composure when hit. A slight grimace or narrowing of the eyes is fine, but these guys in-game look like you hooked up electric nipple clamps to them and cranked the juice to 1000 volts. It's absurd.

As an example, here is a picture of a fighter I took during the beta. Who is this fighter?



If you guessed Baraka from Mortal Kombat, you would be wrong. That is Eddie Alvarez. Looking nothing like Eddie Alvarez. Baraka for comparison:



-When getting KO'd the fighters all close their eyes gently and look like they're taking a nice little afternoon nap. In the actual UFC, one of the grislier aspects of KO's is that the eyes often stay open. The lights are on but nobody's home. I won't post the pics (because why), but who can forget Shadface.jpg? Who can forget Machida's face after he was choked out by Jones? Overeem lying in a slump after Ngannou? Maybe I'm just a barbarian but it completely kills my immersion to KO someone, and instead of seeing them stiffen up and twitch with their eyes rolled back, it looks like I just read them a bedtime story and gave them a nice kiss on the forehead before their first day of school.

Anyway, I definitely agree with Martial's post, just giving my 2 cents on the state of visual immersion in-game and how it could be improved.
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Old 08-21-2018, 12:55 PM   #13
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Love all of this!!

Plus without question we absolutely, 100% need to have KICK SPEED and KICK POWER back in this game. With. Out. Doubt.
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Old 08-21-2018, 01:38 PM   #14
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Fantastic post MartialMind. I like the 3 animations for a specific technical style. I also like keeping the 5 levels to vary the speed and power of the animations. The same input combinations would appear different fighter to fighter.


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Old 08-21-2018, 01:51 PM   #15
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Agreed, three would be better. It would also mean less work on the dev's part having to decide between 1 - 5.

Just have level 1 be novice, level 2 be good and level 3 be elite.
Then its a 4 level system as you are forgetting level 0, not having the move.
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Old 08-21-2018, 02:50 PM   #16
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Love all of this!!

Plus without question we absolutely, 100% need to have KICK SPEED and KICK POWER back in this game. With. Out. Doubt.
Yeah that's a big one. Absolutely.
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