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Dark_Lord_Vader · 01-29-2004, 11:31 AM

This idea comes from a post that only1sheff had about Facial Mapping. It was mentioned in his thread that the DVD media that holds the game info would not have enough space on it to accommodate more individual faces throughout the game. I wonder how feasible it would be for Sega to start including TWO DVDs for their games. One DVD could be used to download all the graphic elements, sounds and appropriate rosters and stats. All of this information could be saved to the Xbox hard drive. Then, after all that info is copied, you pop in the actual game disk! This disk now works with all the information already on the Xbox hard drive, producing a gaming experience that is double the visual experience, listening experience, depth and most of all, fun! I don't know about you guys, but I would certainly consider spending $70 or $80 for a game that is leaps and bounds ahead of any game out there for this generation's consoles. Think about the boost in graphics on the SNES when Super Mario Bros first came out, and then Donkey Kong Country came out. HUGE difference. Same principal here.

What do you guys think? Is this something that is even possible?

PrimeTime21 · 01-29-2004, 08:22 PM

whoeva said they couldnt add all the facial mapping to game doesnt know what they're talking about. These DVD disc can hold a lot. Most games don't even use half of the disc.

CM Hooe · 01-30-2004, 09:34 AM

This idea would probably have better odds if ESPN 2K5 was XBox-exclusive. Since the PS2 does not (yet) have a hard drive, and also since even when it does not everyone will have it, VC would more than likely not do this for the PS2. Thus, VC would essentially have to develop two different titles, one for PS2 and one for XBox, in order to implement the idea on just the XBox title.

I also don't want ESPN becoming XBox-exclusive, since I have a PS2 and don't enjoy Madden.

onetonmartin · 01-30-2004, 10:43 AM

VC can put 2 logs of dog sh@t in a case with "ESPN NFL Football 2005" printed on the front & I would buy it.

2k4 was that good of a game.

fossen · 01-30-2004, 10:48 AM

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PrimeTime21 said:
whoeva said they couldnt add all the facial mapping to game doesnt know what they're talking about. These DVD disc can hold a lot. Most games don't even use half of the disc.

Yeah - it's a dual-layer DVD. There's room for plenty.

This issue here is not going to be disk space. In terms of hardware, it's graphics memory. There's only so much that can be in active graphics memory on the Xbox - individual detailed faces runs smack up against that limitation.

Also (and I believe we'll see this more and more) .... it's a matter of budget and time. It takes a ton of money and time (graphics are labor-intensive) to do stuff like that. VC doesn't have that kind of resources.

Dark_Lord_Vader · 02-24-2004, 02:55 PM

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fossen said: This issue here is not going to be disk space. In terms of hardware, it's graphics memory. There's only so much that can be in active graphics memory on the Xbox - individual detailed faces runs smack up against that limitation.

Also (and I believe we'll see this more and more) .... it's a matter of budget and time. It takes a ton of money and time (graphics are labor-intensive) to do stuff like that. VC doesn't have that kind of resources.

Hey Fossen,

I was told from a source that the Xbox is not even using 50% of its capabilities with the games that are being produced today. Specifically NFL2k4. If this is the case, and a new title MUST come out every August to stay competitive, I wonder if the need for an Xbox 2 will ever arise? Due to the fact that one year's worth of development time does not seem to be enough to really exploit the power the first Xbox has.

Opinion?

fossen · 02-24-2004, 05:32 PM

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Dark_Lord_Vader said:

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fossen said: This issue here is not going to be disk space. In terms of hardware, it's graphics memory. There's only so much that can be in active graphics memory on the Xbox - individual detailed faces runs smack up against that limitation.

Also (and I believe we'll see this more and more) .... it's a matter of budget and time. It takes a ton of money and time (graphics are labor-intensive) to do stuff like that. VC doesn't have that kind of resources.

Hey Fossen,

I was told from a source that the Xbox is not even using 50% of its capabilities with the games that are being produced today. Specifically NFL2k4. If this is the case, and a new title MUST come out every August to stay competitive, I wonder if the need for an Xbox 2 will ever arise? Due to the fact that one year's worth of development time does not seem to be enough to really exploit the power the first Xbox has.

Opinion?

In terms of "capabilities", I wouldn't be suprised. When speaking of pure processing power, all the DirextX API calls (shaders, sourced lighting, etc.). But it's not just a blank check.

The capabilities you're talking about are rendering capabilities - think of the lighting in Splinter Cell, or explosions in HALO.

But for the detail you're talking about, the only solution is, essentially, prerendered bitmaps. That needs to be stored in RAM - there aren't a lot of ways around that.

Dark_Lord_Vader · 02-25-2004, 07:53 AM

I see. Thanks for the info.

01-29-2004, 11:31 AM	#1
Dark_Lord_Vader Banned OVR: 9 Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Georgia (Heart in Colorado)	ESPN 2k5: DVD Memory Expansion Idea This idea comes from a post that only1sheff had about Facial Mapping. It was mentioned in his thread that the DVD media that holds the game info would not have enough space on it to accommodate more individual faces throughout the game. I wonder how feasible it would be for Sega to start including TWO DVDs for their games. One DVD could be used to download all the graphic elements, sounds and appropriate rosters and stats. All of this information could be saved to the Xbox hard drive. Then, after all that info is copied, you pop in the actual game disk! This disk now works with all the information already on the Xbox hard drive, producing a gaming experience that is double the visual experience, listening experience, depth and most of all, fun! I don't know about you guys, but I would certainly consider spending $70 or $80 for a game that is leaps and bounds ahead of any game out there for this generation's consoles. Think about the boost in graphics on the SNES when Super Mario Bros first came out, and then Donkey Kong Country came out. HUGE difference. Same principal here. What do you guys think? Is this something that is even possible?

01-29-2004, 08:22 PM	#2
PrimeTime21 Pro OVR: 5 Join Date: Sep 2003	Re: ESPN 2k5: DVD Memory Expansion Idea whoeva said they couldnt add all the facial mapping to game doesnt know what they're talking about. These DVD disc can hold a lot. Most games don't even use half of the disc.

01-30-2004, 09:34 AM	#3
CM Hooe Dead! OVR: 45 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Culver City, CA Posts: 20,960	Re: ESPN 2k5: DVD Memory Expansion Idea This idea would probably have better odds if ESPN 2K5 was XBox-exclusive. Since the PS2 does not (yet) have a hard drive, and also since even when it does not everyone will have it, VC would more than likely not do this for the PS2. Thus, VC would essentially have to develop two different titles, one for PS2 and one for XBox, in order to implement the idea on just the XBox title. I also don't want ESPN becoming XBox-exclusive, since I have a PS2 and don't enjoy Madden.

01-30-2004, 10:43 AM	#4
onetonmartin Think Different OVR: 9 Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sacramento,CA Posts: 1,040	Re: ESPN 2k5: DVD Memory Expansion Idea VC can put 2 logs of dog sh@t in a case with "ESPN NFL Football 2005" printed on the front & I would buy it. 2k4 was that good of a game.

01-30-2004, 10:48 AM	#5
fossen Blbflth zp! OVR: 28* Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 7,098	Re: ESPN 2k5: DVD Memory Expansion Idea Quote: *PrimeTime21 said:* whoeva said they couldnt add all the facial mapping to game doesnt know what they're talking about. These DVD disc can hold a lot. Most games don't even use half of the disc. Yeah - it's a dual-layer DVD. There's room for plenty. This issue here is not going to be disk space. In terms of hardware, it's graphics memory. There's only so much that can be in active graphics memory on the Xbox - individual detailed faces runs smack up against that limitation. Also (and I believe we'll see this more and more) .... it's a matter of budget and time. It takes a ton of money and time (graphics are labor-intensive) to do stuff like that. VC doesn't have that kind of resources.

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02-24-2004, 02:55 PM	#6
Dark_Lord_Vader Banned OVR: 9 Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Georgia (Heart in Colorado)	Re: ESPN 2k5: DVD Memory Expansion Idea Quote: *fossen said:* This issue here is not going to be disk space. In terms of hardware, it's graphics memory. There's only so much that can be in active graphics memory on the Xbox - individual detailed faces runs smack up against that limitation. Also (and I believe we'll see this more and more) .... it's a matter of budget and time. It takes a ton of money and time (graphics are labor-intensive) to do stuff like that. VC doesn't have that kind of resources. Hey Fossen, I was told from a source that the Xbox is not even using 50% of its capabilities with the games that are being produced today. Specifically NFL2k4. If this is the case, and a new title MUST come out every August to stay competitive, I wonder if the need for an Xbox 2 will ever arise? Due to the fact that one year's worth of development time does not seem to be enough to really exploit the power the first Xbox has. Opinion?

02-24-2004, 05:32 PM	#7
fossen Blbflth zp! OVR: 28* Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 7,098	Re: ESPN 2k5: DVD Memory Expansion Idea Quote: *Dark_Lord_Vader said:* Quote: *fossen said:* This issue here is not going to be disk space. In terms of hardware, it's graphics memory. There's only so much that can be in active graphics memory on the Xbox - individual detailed faces runs smack up against that limitation. Also (and I believe we'll see this more and more) .... it's a matter of budget and time. It takes a ton of money and time (graphics are labor-intensive) to do stuff like that. VC doesn't have that kind of resources. Hey Fossen, I was told from a source that the Xbox is not even using 50% of its capabilities with the games that are being produced today. Specifically NFL2k4. If this is the case, and a new title MUST come out every August to stay competitive, I wonder if the need for an Xbox 2 will ever arise? Due to the fact that one year's worth of development time does not seem to be enough to really exploit the power the first Xbox has. Opinion? In terms of "capabilities", I wouldn't be suprised. When speaking of pure processing power, all the DirextX API calls (shaders, sourced lighting, etc.). But it's not just a blank check. The capabilities you're talking about are rendering capabilities - think of the lighting in Splinter Cell, or explosions in HALO. But for the detail you're talking about, the only solution is, essentially, prerendered bitmaps. That needs to be stored in RAM - there aren't a lot of ways around that.

02-25-2004, 07:53 AM	#8
Dark_Lord_Vader Banned OVR: 9 Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Georgia (Heart in Colorado)	Re: ESPN 2k5: DVD Memory Expansion Idea I see. Thanks for the info.

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