PS4 Discussion (MLB The Show 14)

[Grub]

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In addition to what I stated last night with the screens I posted in the streaming threads, I feel that this was by intent and on purpose. I also think that the game is programmed to have actual light sources that effect the lighting and shadows in real time now.

But Busch Stadium is lit better than this, both in person and on the television. Even when the game camera iris opens up when you get closer, they're still not bright enough. They're just bright enough to see what's going on, but not anywhere near real life levels.

Busch just looks dead at night. Which is insane. It's a very vibrant stadium, and you can often tell that by how full it is each day. Having it that dark makes it feel smaller, and kills the life it has.

[lazloisdavrock]

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man PNC looks pretty bad at night. Anyone know what Camden yards looks like

[Grub]

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man PNC looks pretty bad at night. Anyone know what Camden yards looks like

It looks pretty amazing, from what I've seen.

[Shakedowncapo]

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This panoramic shot of PNC can help the devs...

http://www.panoramio.com/photo_explorer#view=photo&position=268&with_photo_id=11054192&order=date_desc&user=550503

When compared to this;

[ryanmc564]

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This panoramic shot of PNC can help the devs...

http://www.panoramio.com/photo_explorer#view=photo&position=268&with_photo_id=11054192&order=date_desc&user=550503

When compared to this;

Wow, it looks like the crowd in the outfield is lit up very well in real life. too bad SCEA as some are saying intended for those crowds to not be lit up.

[bigwill33]

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But Busch Stadium is lit better than this, both in person and on the television. Even when the game camera iris opens up when you get closer, they're still not bright enough. They're just bright enough to see what's going on, but not anywhere near real life levels.

Busch just looks dead at night. Which is insane. It's a very vibrant stadium, and you can often tell that by how full it is each day. Having it that dark makes it feel smaller, and kills the life it has.

Yes, but if you read more into what I am saying in that post I think that the light sources (lights on the poles at the stadiums) are the only source of light in the ballparks after the sun goes down. The places that have dark spots in the aforementioned stadiums have them as a result of the lights not actually shining on those areas as you are looking out from home plate. As the camera follows the ball it lights up more, but not totally because you get some ambient effects but not a true light shining on the area still.

This is also why the city skylines are all dark and get darker the further away they are. There is no real light source to light them up other than the stadium lights. Maybe in the future they will have it where the the building lights are on in some capacity, but I am guessing being year one they either couldn't get it to look right or it messed up frame rates in trying to do so.

[ScouserHUN]

PS4 Discussion (MLB The Show 14)

Oh man... This looks bad...the field is also. This is a shot of PNC Park at night:



Altough there are not people in the stands, it is obvious, that there is something wrong with the lighting in the game...


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[bigwill33]

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Wow, it looks like the crowd in the outfield is lit up very well in real life. too bad SCEA as some are saying intended for those crowds to not be lit up.

That isn't "real" life though. It is a camera that has left the exposure open longer to allow more light into the lens. Look at the top right of the panoramic shot. That sky is blue and looks like the sun may have just set. I can tell you, it hasn't. In person outside of the stadium would be pitch black from that view in the sky. The time of this shot is well after 9pm EST and what you are seeing there is not "natural" in terms of what you would see with your eyes if you sat in that same location during that game.

And as for the lighting in the outfield crowd, I really believe that it is based on the stadium lighting and the angles the light stanchions face in each park. If direct, digital, lights do not hit an area in this game then it will appear darker than what is supposed to. Hopefully that is something that can be fixed in future versions, but I doubt it gets any work on this iteration of the game. Outside of adding more light sources they could break more things than fix by trying to adjust the powering or angles of the lighting. And adding unnatural light sources also probably wouldn't work for this either, unfortunately.

[SVCbearcat10]

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Oh man... This looks bad...the field is also. This is a shot of PNC Park at night:



Altough there are not people in the stands, it is obvious, that there is something wrong with the lighting in the game...


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I don't think the screenshots from the game are that far off. At least from an outside the stadium standpoint, those buildings are very dark. The Show is accurate since they don't have the name of the buildings (can't because of Trademarks) or the ambient light from the security lights inside them.

Some of the inside the stadium lighting effect look to be a little off. But after the first couple pitches of the game, I doubt anyone will notice anymore. Your brain will be too focused on the ball and playing the game to allow your eyes to wonder.

[Shakedowncapo]

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That isn't "real" life though. It is a camera that has left the exposure open longer to allow more light into the lens. Look at the top right of the panoramic shot. That sky is blue and looks like the sun may have just set. I can tell you, it hasn't. In person outside of the stadium would be pitch black from that view in the sky. The time of this shot is well after 9pm EST and what you are seeing there is not "natural" in terms of what you would see with your eyes if you sat in that same location during that game.

And as for the lighting in the outfield crowd, I really believe that it is based on the stadium lighting and the angles the light stanchions face in each park. If direct, digital, lights do not hit an area in this game then it will appear darker than what is supposed to. Hopefully that is something that can be fixed in future versions, but I doubt it gets any work on this iteration of the game. Outside of adding more light sources they could break more things than fix by trying to adjust the powering or angles of the lighting. And adding unnatural light sources also probably wouldn't work for this either, unfortunately.

Absolutely agree that the ball park is pitch black when you're inside, as I can show a picture from 2010, when I saw the Phillies play there. Still doesn't take away from the outfield lighting and building exteriors being completely dark and lifeless. I can post the pictures if you want, but it shows the same thing but from the suite level I was seated.

[bigwill33]

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Absolutely agree that the ball park is pitch black when you're inside, as I can show a picture from 2010, when I saw the Phillies play there. Still doesn't take away from the outfield lighting and building exteriors being completely dark and lifeless. I can post the pictures if you want, but it shows the same thing but from the suite level I was seated.

Yeah, I am not saying it is correct to true life in all aspects, but some of the criticism is unwarranted. But I am sticking with my theory as to why those spots are dark, especially in Busch. Do I wish it wasn't that way? Certainly. Just trying to give some of the other guys here a rationale as to why it may be the way it is and why it can't be easily "fixed".

[@legendm0de]

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Whats clear for PNC in particular anyway, is that the light from those main scoreboards, needs to illuminate the ballpark much stronger. Those are really high powered, dominating lights and it needs to reflect that in the game. Then your other stadium lights will complement that and then you'll have a satisfying looking PNC Ballpark.

[ryanmc564]

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That isn't "real" life though. It is a camera that has left the exposure open longer to allow more light into the lens. Look at the top right of the panoramic shot. That sky is blue and looks like the sun may have just set. I can tell you, it hasn't. In person outside of the stadium would be pitch black from that view in the sky. The time of this shot is well after 9pm EST and what you are seeing there is not "natural" in terms of what you would see with your eyes if you sat in that same location during that game.

And as for the lighting in the outfield crowd, I really believe that it is based on the stadium lighting and the angles the light stanchions face in each park. If direct, digital, lights do not hit an area in this game then it will appear darker than what is supposed to. Hopefully that is something that can be fixed in future versions, but I doubt it gets any work on this iteration of the game. Outside of adding more light sources they could break more things than fix by trying to adjust the powering or angles of the lighting. And adding unnatural light sources also probably wouldn't work for this either, unfortunately.

I understand what you are saying, but when you look at other ball parks like At&t park, everything look very well illuminated crowd, signs, etc. etc. I'm not all too concern as far as the city background. but if you look at at&t park the logo in centerfield is lit up and the logo in pnc park is lit up, but the braves and the cardinal logos and signs that are normally lit up like everyone else is, is not lit up and that is really all my gripe is really about it makes the stadium look unfinished and what I believe to be is a oversight.

[bigwill33]

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I understand what you are saying, but when you look at other ball parks like At&t park, everything look very well illuminated crowd, signs, etc. etc. I'm not all too concern as far as the city background. but if you look at at&t park the logo in centerfield is lit up and the logo in pnc park is lit up, but the braves and the cardinal logos and signs that are normally lit up like everyone else is, is not lit up and that is really all my gripe is really about it makes the stadium look unfinished and what I believe to be is a oversight.

I got'cha. I agree, it needs to be improved. There is some sort of light coming out of the Braves and Cards signs at their respective fields, but it isn't nearly enough to reflect what you would see in real life.

[Grub]

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Yes, but if you read more into what I am saying in that post I think that the light sources (lights on the poles at the stadiums) are the only source of light in the ballparks after the sun goes down. The places that have dark spots in the aforementioned stadiums have them as a result of the lights not actually shining on those areas as you are looking out from home plate.

Yes, and that's just wrong. The lighting is wrong. It isn't bright enough and it isn't hitting the right spots.

As the camera follows the ball it lights up more, but not totally because you get some ambient effects but not a true light shining on the area still.

It's both. It's so dark out in the bleachers, the camera has to adjust via HDR to simulate our own eyes opening up to see better in the dark.

This is also why the city skylines are all dark and get darker the further away they are. There is no real light source to light them up other than the stadium lights. Maybe in the future they will have it where the the building lights are on in some capacity, but I am guessing being year one they either couldn't get it to look right or it messed up frame rates in trying to do so.

I'm not so bugged about that. That's a minor issue and they can fix that next year. But in the stadium, having it look like Roy Hobbs escaping from the hospital to hit batting practice after dark is simply wrong. It's flat out incorrect.

The game's all about immersion, about Baseball Being Better. How can you just blow this off and excuse it? For ball visibility, that's what those center field flat spots are for in real life. The grass and the walls in the stands. And that's how it should be. You don't dismember the presentation of a stadium just because your new camera feature is obscuring gameplay. That's silly. You fix the feature, or you learn how to see the ball if you want to use it.