MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[ESexton18]

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Nothing major... You're right probably but I would've though they could've got a little more the closer to the deadline they got. I'd be pissed if I was a Padres fan about them holding on to Headley instead of flipping him after that career 2nd half.

[hampshirestags]

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Nothing major... You're right probably but I would've though they could've got a little more the closer to the deadline they got. I'd be pissed if I was a Padres fan about them holding on to Headley instead of flipping him after that career 2nd half.

SD got a MLB player and a live arm. For basically $1 million and a guy with a bad back. I think SD did as well as they could.

Also remember the SD GM situation is fluid right now and it appears Hinch is looking to dump some roster before the new guy gets there. BTW, a leading canidate... NYY asst. GM.

[BEasy20]

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SD got a MLB player and a live arm. For basically $1 million and a guy with a bad back. I think SD did as well as they could.

Also remember the SD GM situation is fluid right now and it appears Hinch is looking to dump some roster before the new guy gets there. BTW, a leading canidate... NYY asst. GM.

Agree with you on the live arm. Dont think he sticks as a starter but could be an impact arm out of the pen.

[Legaci3]

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Keep all of them.

Is it just me or are there a bunch of Yankees and Mets fans asking about Baez? Does he have some incredible street creed in New Yawk? Or are people just crying in their video game over a Yankee team without Jeter/Cano?

no one is crying over a team without Jeter/Cano, it was just a simple question regarding there SS depth since some teams need one. I seem to be doing fine without Cano btw, but thanks for the response

[BlueJays09]

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So this Headley deal screws me... I was waiting to play a couple more games before grabbing headley and denorfia from the Padres and now that's messed up because I am going to replicate the Yankees trade.

Now I need to look at other options... What would I have to give up to get Denorfia alone. My other option is Chris Young.

I am also thinking about moving Rasmus for a better contact MLB ready OF and a RP or 5th SP...anyone have any ideas

[WaitTilNextYear]

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So Headley to the Yankees for De Paula and Solarte? Padres could've done better with eating some more salary..it's a shame it's not a baseball organization over there anymore. With all the disposable income San Diego-ians have, the Pads know people will come to see Petco regardless of how consistently crappy they play....Tony Gwynn would be sad.

That said, I think people are a bit low on Solarte. Switch-hitter. Good contact hitter, doesn't strike out a ton, can hit high in the order and has 2 years of pre-arb salaries left. UZR is pretty neutral on him. His .192 BABIP in June belies the fact that he was busting out early on in the year with peripherals that did not seem to scream regression toward the mean. I'd value him as a mid B + mid C. De Paula is a high C/low B.

But, I think the low B + high C value that people put on Headley was pretty close.

[BA2929]

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Does anyone else feel like the Yankees just stole Headley? I didn't expect a team to give up a ton for him but man the Yankees really didn't give up anything.

Not really. He's a FA after this year and hasn't really done much at the plate since 2012.

His stock is almost as low as it can get. I mean, his OPS is .650 right now. That's Royals level low.

[KBLover]

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Trade block and CPU trading is a joke, as it has been said now over 300 times in this thread, the logic is broken.

If you want fair and realistic trades, then that's what this thread and the spreadsheet was created for.

As broken as people say the logic is, I seem to have no problem putting together trades that work and are fair, including some mentioned here (like the Salty for Montero you gave me - that's pretty much straight up even according to the spreadsheet and the CPU took it without any working around or other pieces).

It needs work and fleshing out, but I don't use 30-team control and can still do just fine in making trades while letting the CPU "negotiate" who it does and does not want.

[KBLover]

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De Paula is a high C/low B.

Just curious, how do you value non-listed prospects? I was trying to find De Paula, but he's another unlisted prospect (I'm guessing he wasn't in the roster the spreadsheet was made from?)

What do you look at to put the value tag on him that you did?

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Just curious, how do you value non-listed prospects? I was trying to find De Paula, but he's another unlisted prospect (I'm guessing he wasn't in the roster the spreadsheet was made from?)

What do you look at to put the value tag on him that you did?

It's a gray area, but I like to use in-game POT to help value spects that are not really super top prospects. So, if a guy is a so so spect and has a 78 POT in the game, I see that as a high C/low B. This is only if I agree with the POT rating to begin with and it works less well for the very top prospects who are difficult to define with only one trade value.

[hampshirestags]

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As broken as people say the logic is, I seem to have no problem putting together trades that work and are fair, including some mentioned here (like the Salty for Montero you gave me - that's pretty much straight up even according to the spreadsheet and the CPU took it without any working around or other pieces).

It needs work and fleshing out, but I don't use 30-team control and can still do just fine in making trades while letting the CPU "negotiate" who it does and does not want.

Not to beat this up but... I will anyway. KBLover is correct that the logic needs some work but keep in mind, the code was written for SCEA rosters, not OS. The CPU doesn't know names, it knows data. Why is Baez offered as trade bait? Because CHC has too many prospects and not enough players. The CPU is filling holes and making playoff push teams overpay because that is what is was told to do. The moment a custom roster is loaded, the results are invalid.

The good news is we are given the ability to edit practically anything we want to compensate for using custom rosters. Even if you don't play 30 team, you can edit every player on every team within the game to make the adjustments you deem necessary.

I understand this is not a popular stance. I am a software tester, not a developer. But I can tell you, to make a test plan, static data is a must. If we change the data set the code is looking for, it's a tad hypocritical if we complain that the game doesn't do what we want, isn't it?

Off my soapbox and back to trading fun. What are the Cards fans value of Shelby Miller at this point? I'm sure the bullpen is temporary but without Yadi to bring him back to reality, is he going to fall or hold steady?

[ItAllFades]

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SD got a MLB player and a live arm. For basically $1 million and a guy with a bad back. I think SD did as well as they could.

Also remember the SD GM situation is fluid right now and it appears Hinch is looking to dump some roster before the new guy gets there. BTW, a leading canidate... NYY asst. GM.

Yangervis Solatre is a career Minor Leaguer who was hot for a month and a half and fell back to Earth rapidly. He's barely a bench player in the MLB.

[zippy2212]

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What do you guys think of this trade.

Cubs get: David Hale and Todd Cunningham
Braves get: Schierholtz, Barney and Carmen Chavez.

As I mentioned earlier Freeman and Heyward are both on the 60 day DL and Uggla is hitting around .220 with 10 HR's, 31RBI's. Hale is the 10th best SP for them doing well in AAA. Cunningham is hitting .284/4/32 in AAA.

Barney is hitting .274/6/39, Schierholtz is .261/4/15 in 130 AB's and Chavez is an 18 yr old B rated prospect with a 52 OVR.

I realize in real life this probably wouldn't happen but Show it seems ok taking all the circumstances into effect.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Yangervis Solatre is a career Minor Leaguer who was hot for a month and a half and fell back to Earth rapidly. He's barely a bench player in the MLB.

I disagree. Falling back to earth does not mean a sub-200 BABIP for two solid months after normal BABIPs for 2 months. That is just really bad luck my friend.

What do you guys think of this trade.

Cubs get: David Hale and Todd Cunningham
Braves get: Schierholtz, Barney and Carmen Chavez.

As I mentioned earlier Freeman and Heyward are both on the 60 day DL and Uggla is hitting around .220 with 10 HR's, 31RBI's. Hale is the 10th best SP for them doing well in AAA. Cunningham is hitting .284/4/32 in AAA.

Barney is hitting .274/6/39, Schierholtz is .261/4/15 in 130 AB's and Chavez is an 18 yr old B rated prospect with a 52 OVR.

I realize in real life this probably wouldn't happen but Show it seems ok taking all the circumstances into effect.

This is a pretty minor deal. Wouldn't worry too much about it.

[cardinal511]

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Off my soapbox and back to trading fun. What are the Cards fans value of Shelby Miller at this point? I'm sure the bullpen is temporary but without Yadi to bring him back to reality, is he going to fall or hold steady?

Shelby definitely isn't untradable like he used to be, but the upside is still there if he figures things out. Yadi is great at calling games, but I know Cruz has started several games this year with Shelby starting, including his complete game shutout vs. the Jays, I believe.

In terms of value by the organization, I'd say it's definitely possible that he's part of a trade to get Price or another big name this year. I don't think we'd trade him just to get rid of him, though, as his market value is likely low, but yet we've seen what the upside can be should he find form again. In sum, if you're looking to trade a big name player he could be part of the trade, but just trying to acquire him for prospects or something of that nature would likely require an overpay of current market value.