MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[obrienthejew]

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On a completely different note I have 3 trades for Giancarlo that I got using the spreadsheet. All three of these teams are leading their divisions and look to add a bat. Especially the Mariners. I know it has been mentioned a lot, but I've searched the thread and cannot come up with exactly what I want.


Mariners Receive:
C Jarrod Saltalamacchia 80 OVR B Potential
OF Giancarlo Stanton 86 OVR A Potential


Marlins Receive:
SP Taijuan Walker 79 OVR A Potential
SP James Paxton 73 OVR B Potential
C Mike Zunino 77 OVR B Potential
2B Nick Franklin 72 OVR B Potential
1B Jesus Montero 78 OVR B Potential


Red Sox Receive:
OF Giancarlo Stanton "
1B Garrett Jones 73 OVR C Potential


Marlins Receive:
SP Henry Owens 71 OVR A Potential
SP Anthony Ranaudo 72 OVR A Potential
2B/OF Mookie Betts 69 OVR B Potential
3B Garin Cechini 70 OVR B Potential
OF Jackie Bradley Jr. 70 OVR B Potential
C Blake Swihart 65 OVR B Potential


Cardinals Receive:
Giancarlo Stanton "
1B Garrett Jones "


Marlins Receive:
SP Shelby Miller 81 OVR A Potential
RP Carlos Martinez 79 OVR B Potential
1B Matt Adams 77 OVR C Potential
2B Kolten Wong 69 OVR B Potential
OF Stephen Piscotty 67 OVR B Potential
SP Joe Kelly 79 OVR B Potential

[hampshirestags]

Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

On a completely different note I have 3 trades for Giancarlo that I got using the spreadsheet. All three of these teams are leading their divisions and look to add a bat. Especially the Mariners. I know it has been mentioned a lot, but I've searched the thread and cannot come up with exactly what I want.


Mariners Receive:
C Jarrod Saltalamacchia 80 OVR B Potential
OF Giancarlo Stanton 86 OVR A Potential


Marlins Receive:
SP Taijuan Walker 79 OVR A Potential
SP James Paxton 73 OVR B Potential
C Mike Zunino 77 OVR B Potential
2B Nick Franklin 72 OVR B Potential
1B Jesus Montero 78 OVR B Potential


Red Sox Receive:
OF Giancarlo Stanton "
1B Garrett Jones 73 OVR C Potential


Marlins Receive:
SP Henry Owens 71 OVR A Potential
SP Anthony Ranaudo 72 OVR A Potential
2B/OF Mookie Betts 69 OVR B Potential
3B Garin Cechini 70 OVR B Potential
OF Jackie Bradley Jr. 70 OVR B Potential
C Blake Swihart 65 OVR B Potential


Cardinals Receive:
Giancarlo Stanton "
1B Garrett Jones "


Marlins Receive:
SP Shelby Miller 81 OVR A Potential
RP Carlos Martinez 79 OVR B Potential
1B Matt Adams 77 OVR C Potential
2B Kolten Wong 69 OVR B Potential
OF Stephen Piscotty 67 OVR B Potential
SP Joe Kelly 79 OVR B Potential

I really like the BOS deal. Yes, it may be a tad high but that is about what it's going to take and they can afford it. Followed by STL and then SEA (for the value required, it's a tough fit).

[hampshirestags]

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In my 30 team control franchise the Cubs lead the division by a 0.5 game over my Cardinals and I want to move Lackey due to his age. I just got Michael Wacha back from the DL and I need to move a SP.

My top 3 choices are Cubs, Rangers, Blue Jays

Cubs targets: Dan Vogelbach 22 1B 68 OVR B Potential

Rangers targets: Ti'quan Forbes 18 SS 65 OVR B Potential, Ronald Guzman 18 1B 54 OVR B Potential

Blue Jays targets: Franklin Barreto 18 SS 63 OVR B Potential

Which of these targets is the most realistic?

Either TOR or TEX.

You can't (well, you can, but I wouldn't recommend it) trade one of your SP's to the team that is leading your division. Bad form.

[obrienthejew]

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Ok thanks I guess that's the one.

[AC]

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Well, of course you could since it's your franchise/game and all you'd need to do is press a few buttons to make it happen, but if you want fair/realistic, you wouldn't dare! Seager's POT is going in to the A range on the next iteration of Hybrid to better jive with his value in real life.

I assume when you say Seager hit .260/.320, you are talking about your game? Because he absolutely crushed it in real life and ending his season hitting over .330 in AA as a 20 y/o. He hit .347/.398/.597 over 2 levels. This child is a beast.

As for Reyes' value, too much analysis can be paralysis. He has a spreadsheet value and I'm sure you, as a strong Blue Jays fan, most of all would know what a good update to that value would be. I would just suggest to stay away from Top 20 prospects, because I doubt any team values a good, yet aging SS that much. I might also add that his value could take a small hit since there's gotta be a good reason that you want to deal him so badly. With guys I really want to trade anyway, I always take back slightly less in return as a cost of doing business.

You need to differentiate between IRL/The Show. Seager hit .260/.320 like I said and isn't at short in my chise. He'd be back end of the top 100 at highest, mid B. And I'm pretty sure you brought him up. I just want a value on him. The spreadsheet is under reconstruction and I'm not at Toronto yet.

I've been targeting guys near the bigs. Carlos Santana and Trevor Bauer have combined for 0.5 WAR so I targeted them. Or Eric Hosmer who has been pretty solid but he's a 1B and they have Butler and Escobar is a black hole. Just examples.

In any trades I've made sure I take a hit. Reyes is a 4 win player. So I've assessed whether or not the players I get are likely to reach or eclipse that. In those two, probably not.

I've been going for a David Price trade kind of vibe. Major league pieces lacking star power and a lottery ticket.

It's difficult because most teams in contention have shortstops and then the ones like Oakland and New York don't have assets. I might keep him and find another way to clear some cash. I don't think I'm asking for much here.

The Dodgers have a big need with Hanley potentially leaving (his numbers are the kind that the Yankees and Red Sox will put up HUGE for and with Seager coming they might redistribute that) along with Guerrero and Gordon being absolutely terrible. The A's have a big infield problem. So do the Yankees. The Pirates have a big need at SS and Starling Marte was doing pretty bad so I was thinking Marte/Reyes might work. The Mets have a need but they're all pitching so ehh. Giants don't have much either. Again, the Indians and Royals. The Angels are a little intriguing. Kole Calhoun will finish with about 3 wins, I dunno if they'd deal him or not.

Reyes has roughly a .363 wOBA with 23 steals and even platoon splits. 17 HRs and will finish with near 4.5 wins. He's only 30 btw. His contract will be 3/60 after the year which isn't unreasonable imo.

[hampshirestags]

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You need to differentiate between IRL/The Show. Seager hit .260/.320 like I said and isn't at short in my chise. He'd be back end of the top 100 at highest, mid B. And I'm pretty sure you brought him up. I just want a value on him. The spreadsheet is under reconstruction and I'm not at Toronto yet.

I've been targeting guys near the bigs. Carlos Santana and Trevor Bauer have combined for 0.5 WAR so I targeted them. Or Eric Hosmer who has been pretty solid but he's a 1B and they have Butler and Escobar is a black hole. Just examples.

In any trades I've made sure I take a hit. Reyes is a 4 win player. So I've assessed whether or not the players I get are likely to reach or eclipse that. In those two, probably not.

I've been going for a David Price trade kind of vibe. Major league pieces lacking star power and a lottery ticket.

It's difficult because most teams in contention have shortstops and then the ones like Oakland and New York don't have assets. I might keep him and find another way to clear some cash. I don't think I'm asking for much here.

The Dodgers have a big need with Hanley potentially leaving (his numbers are the kind that the Yankees and Red Sox will put up HUGE for and with Seager coming they might redistribute that) along with Guerrero and Gordon being absolutely terrible. The A's have a big infield problem. So do the Yankees. The Pirates have a big need at SS and Starling Marte was doing pretty bad so I was thinking Marte/Reyes might work. The Mets have a need but they're all pitching so ehh. Giants don't have much either. Again, the Indians and Royals. The Angels are a little intriguing. Kole Calhoun will finish with about 3 wins, I dunno if they'd deal him or not.

Reyes has roughly a .363 wOBA with 23 steals and even platoon splits. 17 HRs and will finish with near 4.5 wins. He's only 30 btw. His contract will be 3/60 after the year which isn't unreasonable imo.

Ahhhh, now I see what you're getting at. I thought...never mind, it's not important and you're right, I never did answer your question. I think the spreadsheet had him high to begin with and given his contract (3/60 is unreasonable imo) and when his decline hits it will hit hard, I would put him at B+/B-/B-.

I know you're high on the season he has put in but, as a make believe/wanna be GM, I'm looking at a 31 yr old SS who's game is speed and D with a good OBP that has shown a problem playing a full season (yes, I still hold it against him for sitting the last day of the year for a batting title but he is injury prone).

He may be too rich for CLE/KC and still think CIN is a good fit. However, I think LAA might be the winner here. Lots of options there and I think K.Calhoun is very tradeable.

[AC]

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Oh yeah, Cincy is a good fit too but they don't have many assets + they don't have cash. You think Calhoun will be tradeable coming off of .280/.345 with 25 dingers?

I wonder if the Dodgers would deal Pederson (decent numbers in AAA, nothing special). I like Pederson, and I like Marte. Calhoun would at least grab my attention. The Cardinals are kinda interesting. They have MIF *depth* but it's all bad. As I said in an earlier post, Wong is looking pretty awful in AAA (got demoted to the bench, not just bad roster management) and Diaz is pretty terrible too. They traded for Alexei for the stretch run but I have to wonder if they would be looking for a more permanent option at SS/2B (whichever Peralta isn't at). Lots of interesting pieces.

So yeah, if anyone has any suggestions, I'm basically looking for one or two MLB assets for Reyes with a lottery ticket thrown in.

[hampshirestags]

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Oh yeah, Cincy is a good fit too but they don't have many assets + they don't have cash. You think Calhoun will be tradeable coming off of .280/.345 with 25 dingers?

I wonder if the Dodgers would deal Pederson (decent numbers in AAA, nothing special). I like Pederson, and I like Marte. Calhoun would at least grab my attention. The Cardinals are kinda interesting. They have MIF *depth* but it's all bad. As I said in an earlier post, Wong is looking pretty awful in AAA (got demoted to the bench, not just bad roster management) and Diaz is pretty terrible too. They traded for Alexei for the stretch run but I have to wonder if they would be looking for a more permanent option at SS/2B (whichever Peralta isn't at). Lots of interesting pieces.

So yeah, if anyone has any suggestions, I'm basically looking for one or two MLB assets for Reyes with a lottery ticket thrown in.

Calhoun had 25 dongs??? After the test clears, I would offer K. Calhoun+D. Freeze+R. Sanchez. 1 mlb, 1 contract, 1 lottery ticket. Kendrick can play 3b in a pinch or they have... A kid...coming up (forget his name) or Cron has a glove so maybe. Give me a career AAA player along with Reyes.

A. Ramirez is close enough that it's not a measurable upgrade. We could put J. Bruce in a package from CIN. Not that I want to see him in TOR but he can replace joey bats in RF and helps clear current and future money.

[Scott]

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Calhoun had 25 dongs??? After the test clears, I would offer K. Calhoun+D. Freeze+R. Sanchez. 1 mlb, 1 contract, 1 lottery ticket. Kendrick can play 3b in a pinch or they have... A kid...coming up (forget his name) or Cron has a glove so maybe. Give me a career AAA player along with Reyes.

A. Ramirez is close enough that it's not a measurable upgrade. We could put J. Bruce in a package from CIN. Not that I want to see him in TOR but he can replace joey bats in RF and helps clear current and future money.

You're thinking of Luis Jimenez i think....

[AC]

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A. Ramirez is close enough that it's not a measurable upgrade. We could put J. Bruce in a package from CIN. Not that I want to see him in TOR but he can replace joey bats in RF and helps clear current and future money.

Bruce is having an MVP type year lol, thought of that.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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You need to differentiate between IRL/The Show. Seager hit .260/.320 like I said and isn't at short in my chise. He'd be back end of the top 100 at highest, mid B.

I've been going for a David Price trade kind of vibe. Major league pieces lacking star power and a lottery ticket.

Two points. One, I will always consider real life value alongside what's going on in the game, especially with prospects. The problem your approach will run into is, say you really want a top prospect, all you have to do is run sims until his stats suck and then get him on sale. No thanks, that's not realistic. If Seager is hitting .330 in AA as a 20 y/o in real life, then I don't care what happens in the game, he's an A. Philosophical differences perhaps.

Secondly, no Reyes will not return Price-value. Reyes is too much of a risk and as one guy said, a speed and contact player on the wrong side of 30 is asking to be Michael Bourn'd like Cleveland (minus the positional adjustment that is propping up Reyes' WAR, but you have said he's nothing special at SS to begin with so I'm skeptical). I'd stay away, certainly not for a Price deal. Like I said before, I would aim a bit lower. But, oh lawd do what you need to.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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You're thinking of Luis Jimenez i think....

Yeah...it is Jimenez. I actually saw him live recently against the Iowa Cubs. Surprising pop for someone his size (and no, he's most definitely not 6'1" as listed). He's also...what's the word...not quite cocky, but kind of a social butterfly. I could see him being a fan favorite when he eventually inherits 3B from the corpse of David Freese in Anahiem.

[hampshirestags]

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Two points. One, I will always consider real life value alongside what's going on in the game, especially with prospects. The problem your approach will run into is, say you really want a top prospect, all you have to do is run sims until his stats suck and then get him on sale. No thanks, that's not realistic. If Seager is hitting .330 in AA as a 20 y/o in real life, then I don't care what happens in the game, he's an A. Philosophical differences perhaps.

Secondly, no Reyes will not return Price-value. Reyes is too much of a risk and as one guy said, a speed and contact player on the wrong side of 30 is asking to be Michael Bourn'd like Cleveland (minus the positional adjustment that is propping up Reyes' WAR, but you have said he's nothing special at SS to begin with so I'm skeptical). I'd stay away, certainly not for a Price deal. Like I said before, I would aim a bit lower. But, oh lawd do what you need to.

I'm on your side (sorta) but Reyes is a career 3 WAR (rounded, just a a shade below) so he 'should' remain an above average SS for the remainder of his contract. Not the surplus value he is/was but for a large payroll team, that is less important. My largest issue with him is I can't, with any confidence, project him to play more than 340-360 games over the life of his deal and that scares me @ $20mm/yr.

I think he is kinda special at SS and without getting into a debate that could rage forever, I use more 'eye test' in scouting defensive ability rather than most metrics. As he ages, his range will decline and I think we will see an 'improvement' in his defensive metrics. He can pick it and has an above average arm, good enough for me at SS. Perhaps J. Rollins without the pop in his bat,

The Price deal is a bad example, we're not comparing apples to apples. I would look at the deal that brought him to TOR and start subtracting from there.

[hampshirestags]

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Bruce is having an MVP type year lol, thought of that.

Calhoun hits 25 and Bruce is having a MVP year...what cooky rosters are you using??

Side note,... you mentioned you were looking at the value spreadsheet. Are you guys going to publish it along with the updated hybrid roster or is it something totally different? Newbie question, first year on the site and all that.

[nbcards]

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30 team control franchise and I'm just looking for some opinions on some trades that I've been thinking about. Looking more for fair, too little, too much etc not so much into realistic

Cubs Receive: Michael Cuddyer, LaTroy Hawkins, and RP D potential
Rockies Receive: Gleyber Torres SS (B potential), Duane Underwood SP (B potential), Justin Steele RP (C Potential)

White Sox Receive: Victor Roache RF (B Potential), Lyle Overbay, Cy Sneed (C Potential)
Brewers Receive: Adam Dunn, Matt Lidstrom, Chieing-Ming Wang

Tigers Receive: Carlos Quentin, Tyler Greene
Padres Receive: Jonathan Crawford SP (B Potential), Tyler Collins LF (B Potential)

Phillies Receive: Jason Hursh SP (B Potential), Braxton Davidson RF (B Potential)
Braves Receive: Chase Utley, Koyie Hill