MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[AC]

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Two points. One, I will always consider real life value alongside what's going on in the game, especially with prospects. The problem your approach will run into is, say you really want a top prospect, all you have to do is run sims until his stats suck and then get him on sale. No thanks, that's not realistic. If Seager is hitting .330 in AA as a 20 y/o in real life, then I don't care what happens in the game, he's an A. Philosophical differences perhaps.

Secondly, no Reyes will not return Price-value. Reyes is too much of a risk and as one guy said, a speed and contact player on the wrong side of 30 is asking to be Michael Bourn'd like Cleveland (minus the positional adjustment that is propping up Reyes' WAR, but you have said he's nothing special at SS to begin with so I'm skeptical). I'd stay away, certainly not for a Price deal. Like I said before, I would aim a bit lower. But, oh lawd do what you need to.

Um, you're the one that brought up Corey Seager. Couldn't care less about whatever you're saying there with the running sims, I'm not even targeting him, so I have no idea why I would sim for a player to suck when I'm not targeting him. And I couldn't agree less about the real life stuff but that isn't something either of us can be right or wrong about.

1. I'm not asking for David Price value and nowhere did I say I was. 2. Positional adjustment is not "propping up" a .363 wOBA. 3. I'm not really sure you get where I'm coming from on any of this.

Calhoun hits 25 and Bruce is having a MVP year...what cooky rosters are you using??

Side note,... you mentioned you were looking at the value spreadsheet. Are you guys going to publish it along with the updated hybrid roster or is it something totally different? Newbie question, first year on the site and all that.

OSFM + personal TD updates lol.

I have nothing to do with hybrid (apparently (for now)). I'm just gonna send it to Totte.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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I'm on your side (sorta) but Reyes is a career 3 WAR (rounded, just a a shade below) so he 'should' remain an above average SS for the remainder of his contract. Not the surplus value he is/was but for a large payroll team, that is less important. My largest issue with him is I can't, with any confidence, project him to play more than 340-360 games over the life of his deal and that scares me @ $20mm/yr.

I think he is kinda special at SS and without getting into a debate that could rage forever, I use more 'eye test' in scouting defensive ability rather than most metrics. As he ages, his range will decline and I think we will see an 'improvement' in his defensive metrics. He can pick it and has an above average arm, good enough for me at SS. Perhaps J. Rollins without the pop in his bat,

The Price deal is a bad example, we're not comparing apples to apples. I would look at the deal that brought him to TOR and start subtracting from there.

Yeah. Teams don't use WAR as much as people who follow baseball do anyway. They have their own thang. I cringe a little when people do too many WAR calculations and use it to predict dollar values etc. It's a tool, it's a cool tool, like OBP is a tool, but not God's decree of value and the scale of justice depending on it.

30 team control franchise and I'm just looking for some opinions on some trades that I've been thinking about. Looking more for fair, too little, too much etc not so much into realistic

Cubs Receive: Michael Cuddyer, LaTroy Hawkins, and RP D potential
Rockies Receive: Gleyber Torres SS (B potential), Duane Underwood SP (B potential), Justin Steele RP (C Potential)

White Sox Receive: Victor Roache RF (B Potential), Lyle Overbay, Cy Sneed (C Potential)
Brewers Receive: Adam Dunn, Matt Lidstrom, Chieing-Ming Wang

Tigers Receive: Carlos Quentin, Tyler Greene
Padres Receive: Jonathan Crawford SP (B Potential), Tyler Collins LF (B Potential)

Phillies Receive: Jason Hursh SP (B Potential), Braxton Davidson RF (B Potential)
Braves Receive: Chase Utley, Koyie Hill

Not wanting to be rude, but these are all really bad. I would just start over. The Cubs, Brewers, Tigers, and Phillies are getting robbed at knife point here...although in the Cubs case, it's only a butterknife.

Um, you're the one that brought up Corey Seager. Couldn't care less about whatever you're saying there with the running sims, I'm not even targeting him, so I have no idea why I would sim for a player to suck when I'm not targeting him. And I couldn't agree less about the real life stuff but that isn't something either of us can be right or wrong about.

I guess I'm a bit confused because I know you have a man crush on Corey Seager and you've proposed Reyes for Seager concoctions before. I know you didn't mention him lately, but it was more preemptive so someone else didn't rubber stamp something stupid and I check the thread and you already have Corey Seager, lol.

As far as David Price, you are being a bit cryptic here. First you say you're looking at a David Price type return and now that you have no desire to know about what Price is/was worth.

True, neither of us can be "correct" on whether to give weight to real life, but one of the reasons I choose to stay grounded in real life is the scenario I just mentioned. For example, if someone comes in here and says Baez hit .205 in a season so he must be only a low B, I would lose it.

[AC]

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I guess I'm a bit confused because I know you have a man crush on Corey Seager and you've proposed Reyes for Seager concoctions before. I know you didn't mention him lately, but it was more preemptive so someone else didn't rubber stamp something stupid and I check the thread and you already have Corey Seager, lol.

As far as David Price, you are being a bit cryptic here. First you say you're looking at a David Price type return and now that you have no desire to know about what Price is/was worth.

True, neither of us can be "correct" on whether to give weight to real life, but one of the reasons I choose to stay grounded in real life is the scenario I just mentioned. For example, if someone comes in here and says Baez hit .205 in a season so he must be only a low B, I would lose it.

I really don't want anything to do with Corey Seager in a Reyes deal as anything more than a secondary piece.

I stated I wanted major league ready pieces and a lottery ticket. Like the Price deal. Nothing anywhere close to wanting Price-level value for Reyes.

Funny. Baez has been worth like negative WAR in my chise which I plan to look at. Actually, the Cubs are a really cool story in my chise. Addy Russell went full Trout. But yeah, we're 100% not gonna agree on this.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Funny. Baez has been worth like negative WAR in my chise which I plan to look at.

Then obviously he should be traded to the Yankees for David Phelps or Zoilo Almonte. Maybe toss in Chris Capuano...

[AC]

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Then obviously he should be traded to the Yankees for David Phelps or Zoilo Almonte. Maybe toss in Chris Capuano...

Sounds like a little much.

[AC]

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Trade ideas:

1. Corey Kluber has a 4.63 in 175.0 IP. 175/68/19 K/BB/HR. He's also got a shoulder tear that'll keep him out for the rest of the season (I'm in September). The Indians are one of the worst teams in the league. Think the Indians would move him?

Was thinking two or three of Sean Nolin, Taylor Cole, and Matt Boyd. Here are their write ups in my dynasty for reference:

Sean Nolin

Spoiler

The 24-year-old lefty has been filthy this year, with a 2.80 ERA in 27 games for the Bisons. Sporting a 3.5 K/BB, Nolin possesses above average command and plus secondaries to go with a mediocre fastball. He has started to garner recognition around the league and it won't be much longer until he gets another shot at the bigs. (Prospect lists: MLB.com #49, ESPN by Keith Law #52, Baseball America #54, Baseball Prospectus #67)

Taylor Cole

Spoiler

The 24-year-old is a great pitcher and an even better story. After leaving for 2 years to go on a religious mission, Cole is back and better than ever with a fastball that hits 91 and plus secondaries. Cole has torn apart AA with 2.30 ERA and a 10-2 and has recorded 110 K's in 117.1 IP.

Matt Boyd

Spoiler

Okay, I don't have a write up for him, but his stats are similar to Taylor Cole's and he played very well in AAA. He's a legit rotation candidate for 2015. #3 realistically.

2. The Phillies have finally sunk far enough out of contention to warrant trading everyone. Cliff Lee missed the year and Papelbon has been like IRL. What would you guys value them as?

3. The Giants are in pretty bad shape. Pablo's been too good to retain, Pence has been awful. They've got holes everywhere and aging players and not much budget room. Think they'd deal Matt Cain and start a rebuild, building around Bumgarner and Belt and Posey? I think so. Cain has had a low ERA but really not great peripherals, his strikeouts are Buehrle-ian.

[Totte]

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Trade ideas:

1. Corey Kluber has a 4.63 in 175.0 IP. 175/68/19 K/BB/HR. He's also got a shoulder tear that'll keep him out for the rest of the season (I'm in September). The Indians are one of the worst teams in the league. Think the Indians would move him?

Was thinking two or three of Sean Nolin, Taylor Cole, and Matt Boyd. Here are their write ups in my dynasty for reference:

Sean Nolin

Spoiler

The 24-year-old lefty has been filthy this year, with a 2.80 ERA in 27 games for the Bisons. Sporting a 3.5 K/BB, Nolin possesses above average command and plus secondaries to go with a mediocre fastball. He has started to garner recognition around the league and it won't be much longer until he gets another shot at the bigs. (Prospect lists: MLB.com #49, ESPN by Keith Law #52, Baseball America #54, Baseball Prospectus #67)

Taylor Cole

Spoiler

The 24-year-old is a great pitcher and an even better story. After leaving for 2 years to go on a religious mission, Cole is back and better than ever with a fastball that hits 91 and plus secondaries. Cole has torn apart AA with 2.30 ERA and a 10-2 and has recorded 110 K's in 117.1 IP.

Matt Boyd

Spoiler

Okay, I don't have a write up for him, but his stats are similar to Taylor Cole's and he played very well in AAA. He's a legit rotation candidate for 2015. #3 realistically.

2. The Phillies have finally sunk far enough out of contention to warrant trading everyone. Cliff Lee missed the year and Papelbon has been like IRL. What would you guys value them as?

3. The Giants are in pretty bad shape. Pablo's been too good to retain, Pence has been awful. They've got holes everywhere and aging players and not much budget room. Think they'd deal Matt Cain and start a rebuild, building around Bumgarner and Belt and Posey? I think so. Cain has had a low ERA but really not great peripherals, his strikeouts are Buehrle-ian.

1. I'm about iffy on the Indians moving Kluber. He might not have pitched like a top of the rotation guy but he provides solid depth. Has Bauer and Salazar stepped up in Kluber's absence?

2. As you're dealing with Amaro, the values of Lee and Papelbon should remain the same

3. The Giants love Cain and what he brings to the organization on and off the field. They also value the lefty-righty 1-2 punch of MadBum and Cain just like the Dodgers with Kershaw and Greinke. No need for the Giants to shed payroll in their market so Cain stays. Timmy is the safer bet to be moved

[AC]

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The Giants aren't going anywhere though. What point is there in keeping a 30+ expensive SP with 6.03 K/9 for his most expensive years when you suck?

[Totte]

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The Giants aren't going anywhere though. What point is there in keeping a 30+ expensive SP with 6.03 K/9 for his most expensive years when you suck?

Because they value him for what he is and that they don't have anyone else available to replace him? Cain's never been a big K guy from what I remember

[AC]

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Because they value him for what he is and that they don't have anyone else available to replace him? Cain's never been a big K guy from what I remember

He's hit 7.9 before and my entire point is they don't need to replace him because they're rebuilding

[Totte]

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He's hit 7.9 before and my entire point is they don't need to replace him because they're rebuilding

Sounds like you answered your own question right there

[AC]

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Sounds like you answered your own question right there

I know I did lol that's why I was talking about a rebuild, I was just seeing if other people would see something I didn't

[3fiddy]

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I'm in a fantasy draft franchise. I'm looking to unload Kyle Zimmer Sp no injury 74 A pot 22 yo. I found a club that has RA dickey #2 Regressing to -3s. Ubaldo Jimenez #3. I was thinking they needed some now pitching and had Julio Urias 18 yo. 67 A pot. It's May 13th btw.


Wht do you all think ?

[Totte]

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I'm in a fantasy draft franchise. I'm looking to unload Kyle Zimmer Sp no injury 74 A pot 22 yo. I found a club that has RA dickey #2 Regressing to -3s. Ubaldo Jimenez #3. I was thinking they needed some now pitching and had Julio Urias 18 yo. 67 A pot. It's May 13th btw.


Wht do you all think ?

So you'd be trading Zimmer and target Dickey/Ubaldo in return?

[3fiddy]

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So you'd be trading Zimmer and target Dickey/Ubaldo in return?

I was wanting Urias. Thinking they have no pitching lol and this give them a good young starter now. Zimmers stats are very good but since he's hurt IRL id like him to go on living a good career on a different team. But mlb jus put up an article like Urias is better than Kershaw in the minor leagues lol. Today at that haha. I jus liked his story lefty , facing minor leaguers at 16, out of Mexico. Kinda like Jaime Garcia.

Do you think I should add someone ? Jus want to be fair. Urias is 67 overall prolly eta 2 yrs prolly. Considering it's May 13th this year and next for Urias in minors.