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  • apex_predator82
    Banned
    • Apr 2015
    • 6

    #181
    Re: Pure analog...

    The removal of stride timing in ZPA and the ridiculous "swing" to the left and right in the new "Zone Analog" hitting mode absolutely murdered the immersion and sense of realism for me. I can't describe how much I loath this year's version. Just can't get used to it, and frankly I don't want to relearn the game using what I consider to be a far inferior hitting mode. I'd rather keep playing '14 all year. I'd heard absolutely nothing about this in any of the reviews or press and was seriously confused when it wasn't in the options like it has been for the LAST FOUR YEARS. I means, seriously, it's all muscle memory for me at this point. No way am I going to futz around learning some button-masher style of play and it was ridiculously arrogant of SCEA SD to imperiously remove it, then hush complaints with "my house, my rules" --especially when they trade on the fact that they are well-known to have claimed that they would never remove a control mode for precisely all of the reasons I just outlined above. But, no, it just wasn't popular enough to make the cut, so we --the portion of the user base which took the time to master arguably with most difficult and sim-like interface in the game-- get voted off the island. No WAY I'd have bought this game if I'd have known they removed ZPA + stride. I know a lot of other people wouldn't have either.

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    • joshjays44
      Banned
      • Mar 2011
      • 66

      #182
      Re: Pure analog...

      i know how you feel apex predator82 and today being a patch release with no fix. Still in the middle of spring training trying to adjust sliders that gives realistic results.

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      • HouseKeepinItReal
        Banned
        • Apr 2012
        • 238

        #183
        Re: Pure analog...

        Another frustrated and past customer of MLB The Show. I cannot immerse myself into the game using zone and I miss the stride and the new way of pure analog is just mind-boggling as to why they took it out. I see this as straight up lack of respect for people who played and loved this game for the past few years using pure analog. It actually feels like they are trying to get rid of us.


        Without SOTS or the stride I have no reason to play this game or recommend it to anyone. SMH.

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        • Wolverines05
          Rookie
          • Nov 2008
          • 137

          #184
          Re: Pure analog...

          So I made an analog hitting guide/tutorial that I believe will help clear some confusion surrounding the mechanic. Based on my findings, I can definitively confirm that analog hitting is programmed quite differently than how it's been expressed by the developers of the game.

          I hope this will help everyone.



          And if youre interested you can check out the zone and directional hitting guides... they've been posted on main page on OS so you can scour the forums if you want to find them or just watch them here.

          Zone Hitting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-NC83uuymo

          Directional Hitting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcAmxpCPLJ4
          Check out my channel for reviews and sports guides.

          Channel:
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          MLB THE SHOW GUIDES:
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          • nemesis04
            RIP Ty My Buddy
            • Feb 2004
            • 13530

            #185
            Re: Pure analog...

            Originally posted by Wolverines05
            So I made an analog hitting guide/tutorial that I believe will help clear some confusion surrounding the mechanic. Based on my findings, I can definitively confirm that analog hitting is programmed quite differently than how it's been expressed by the developers of the game.

            I hope this will help everyone.

            There is a third variable that will influence where the PCI will end up and that is your timing of the pitch.

            Nice videos your info has been right on point.
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            • Wolverines05
              Rookie
              • Nov 2008
              • 137

              #186
              Re: Pure analog...

              Originally posted by nemesis04
              There is a third variable that will influence where the PCI will end up and that is your timing of the pitch.

              Nice videos your info has been right on point.
              Is this confirmed? I tried testing that out, as timing does influence PCI location with zone hitting, but I actually didnt notice it with analog...
              Check out my channel for reviews and sports guides.

              Channel:
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              • nemesis04
                RIP Ty My Buddy
                • Feb 2004
                • 13530

                #187
                Re: Pure analog...

                Originally posted by Wolverines05
                Is this confirmed? I tried testing that out, as timing does influence PCI location with zone hitting, but I actually didnt notice it with analog...
                It was one of the elements that determined the Y axis movement along with player attributes with the original pure analog system. It would not make any sense to disregard that aspect in its reimagined form.
                “The saddest part of life is when someone who gave you your best memories becomes a memory”

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                • CujoMatty
                  Member of Rush Nation
                  • Oct 2007
                  • 5445

                  #188
                  Re: Pure analog...

                  Originally posted by nemesis04
                  It was one of the elements that determined the Y axis movement along with player attributes with the original pure analog system. It would not make any sense to disregard that aspect in its reimagined form.
                  it doesn't make sense why they changed anything about it to me but what are ya gonna do.
                  Anyways. I haven't noticed timing and pci placement this year at all. Maybe it is there but it's definetly not as prominent as last year. As far as I can tell anyways.
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                  • Seancefc
                    Rookie
                    • May 2014
                    • 440

                    #189
                    Re: Pure analog...

                    So just to clarify...

                    ⬆️ On the right analog stick is only for pitches in the middle of the strike zone.

                    ⬇️⬆️ For power hits for pitches in the middle of the strike zone.

                    ↗️ For pitches to the right side of the strike zone (RH batter). ⬇️ First for power.

                    ↖️ For pitches to the left side of the strike zone (RH batter). ⬇️ First for power.

                    ➡️ For contact on pitches to the right/out the strike zone (RH batter).

                    ⬅️ For contact on pitches inside/out the strike zone (RH batter).

                    No wonder I played a game that was still 0-0 after 13 innings! I've pretty much just been pressing ⬆️ regardless of pitch location.

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                    • Wolverines05
                      Rookie
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 137

                      #190
                      Re: Pure analog...

                      Originally posted by Seancefc
                      So just to clarify...

                      ⬆️ On the right analog stick is only for pitches in the middle of the strike zone.

                      ⬇️⬆️ For power hits for pitches in the middle of the strike zone.

                      ↗️ For pitches to the right side of the strike zone (RH batter). ⬇️ First for power.

                      ↖️ For pitches to the left side of the strike zone (RH batter). ⬇️ First for power.

                      ➡️ For contact on pitches to the right/out the strike zone (RH batter).

                      ⬅️ For contact on pitches inside/out the strike zone (RH batter).

                      No wonder I played a game that was still 0-0 after 13 innings! I've pretty much just been pressing ⬆️ regardless of pitch location.
                      that is exactly right!!! hope my video helped!
                      Check out my channel for reviews and sports guides.

                      Channel:
                      https://www.youtube.com/user/FratNightGaming

                      MLB THE SHOW GUIDES:
                      https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...oXcjKpbMYUEbd2

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                      • Wolverines05
                        Rookie
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 137

                        #191
                        Re: Pure analog...

                        Originally posted by saucerset
                        This is how I understand Pure Analog from watching the videos. I am more of a visual guy so I wanted to make an image. My only knowledge of this is from the videos, so if I am wrong in my interpretation then please tell me so I can delete this picture.

                        The picture is of the right stick on a 360 degree scale.
                        WOW! how did you make that picture!!! Id love to use something like that for my vids. but its not entirely correct. the blue portion would be horizontal placement of the pci. also, there is NO contact swing. swinging to the right is just an extension of the mechanic. so its swinging out of the strike zone. that is all.

                        does that help?
                        Check out my channel for reviews and sports guides.

                        Channel:
                        https://www.youtube.com/user/FratNightGaming

                        MLB THE SHOW GUIDES:
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                        • saucerset
                          Rookie
                          • Jul 2010
                          • 482

                          #192
                          Re: Pure analog...

                          Originally posted by Wolverines05
                          WOW! how did you make that picture!!! Id love to use something like that for my vids. but its not entirely correct. the blue portion would be horizontal placement of the pci. also, there is NO contact swing. swinging to the right is just an extension of the mechanic. so its swinging out of the strike zone. that is all.

                          does that help?
                          I remember that now about the left/right movement. The blue area that I listed the strike zone, wouldn't that be accurate for horizontal placement of the pci from the top to the bottom of that side of the strike zone?

                          As far as the picture, I found a blank copy of the unit circle and just made adjustment in MS paint. I can send it to you if you like so you can adjust it to make it more accurate.

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                          • sydrogerdavid
                            MVP
                            • May 2009
                            • 3109

                            #193
                            Re: Pure analog...

                            That was a great video. Why didn't we just get that kind of explanation to start with? They just took out the stride, but everything else is basically the same? Unless it was just my misunderstanding.

                            I might go back and try using pure analog again instead of directional/analog. Since I've used it for the past 4 years, I still find myself angleing my stick towards the ball anyway.

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                            • Seancefc
                              Rookie
                              • May 2014
                              • 440

                              #194
                              Re: Pure analog...

                              Originally posted by saucerset
                              Wolverines05, what do you think of this one?
                              I was under the impression the vertical placement of the PCI isn't influenced by the right stick? I think the CPU automatically does that based on the attributes of the player at the plate.

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                              • saucerset
                                Rookie
                                • Jul 2010
                                • 482

                                #195
                                Re: Pure analog...

                                Originally posted by Seancefc
                                I was under the impression the vertical placement of the PCI isn't influenced by the right stick? I think the CPU automatically does that based on the attributes of the player at the plate.
                                That's what I was trying to put out. A pitch high in the SZ (the green color, for example) would warrant a swing up and to the right. That is the horizontal placement of the pci.

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