Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

[OhioCub]

Re: Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

Not a bug this was changed to help facilitate 4 man rotations and the fact that your SP have all just pitched all those innings throughout the season.

If it's supposed to help facilitate a 4 man rotation it doesn't work because starters are taking longer to recover and you almost have to go to a six man rotation.

[N51_rob]

Re: Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

If it's supposed to help facilitate a 4 man rotation it doesn't work because starters are taking longer to recover and you almost have to go to a six man rotation.

Think he means less time to rest for a 4 man rotation. It makes since but have a week off between starts and being at 85% seems off IMO.

[Cavicchi]

Re: Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

Thanks for the feedback Russell. If not a bug, then there are some wonky things happening. 7 game ALCS with Detroit Max Scherzer (y2y save) pitched game one and never pitched again Verlander pitched games 5 and 6, Yet Drew Smily game 3 starter went again in game 7. (this is all CPU controlled).

Did Verlander start both games, 5 and 6?

[N51_rob]

Re: Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

Did Verlander start both games, 5 and 6?

Yes, on one days rest.

[OhioCub]

Re: Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

Think he means less time to rest for a 4 man rotation. It makes since but have a week off between starts and being at 85% seems off IMO.

Maybe? I don't know what he meant exactly but teams are able to go to 4 man rotations because of the extra off days.

[Bobhead]

Re: Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

Not a bug this was changed to help facilitate 4 man rotations and the fact that your SP have all just pitched all those innings throughout the season.

eh... what?

With all the days off in the playoffs, the pitchers should have more energy, not less. Even with the four day rotation, there are often 5 or 6 days between starts.

[Smallville102001]

Re: Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

Not a bug this was changed to help facilitate 4 man rotations and the fact that your SP have all just pitched all those innings throughout the season.

Could you explain that in more detail?

[OhioCub]

Re: Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

eh... what?

With all the days off in the playoffs, the pitchers should have more energy, not less. Even with the four day rotation, there are often 5 or 6 days between starts.

Exactly what I'm saying. It doesn't happen often but I can even remember times recently when teams got by with a 3 man rotation in the postseason. If this was a design decision it was a poor one.

[tabarnes19_SDS]

Re: Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

Exactly what I'm saying. It doesn't happen often but I can even remember times recently when teams got by with a 3 man rotation in the postseason. If this was a design decision it was a poor one.

09 Yankees used a 3 man rotation. They tightened the off days up after that.


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[Steven78]

Re: Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

This design would actually make you use more pitchers in the rotation not less. Head scratching...

[nomo17k]

Re: Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

Not a bug this was changed to help facilitate 4 man rotations and the fact that your SP have all just pitched all those innings throughout the season.

I have to agree with people claiming that this change is a head-scratchier... according to the Strategy Guide, there has been a mechanism to let pitchers tire in different ways in situations where they could be overused, as in playoff games:

Pitchers who get insufficient days of rest will tire faster if overused. Starters tend to trigger this when pitching three or more quality starts in seven days, such as with a key pitcher in a playoff situation. Relievers and closers follow different criteria, which depends on their pitch count between the previous two days.

The use of 4- or 3-man rotation in playoffs is motivated more by the desire for teams to give better-quality starters chances to pitch more innings even if that means the bottom of the rotation guys are not used at all (or sent to bullpen).

I think the new mechanism makes the mechanism described in the Strategy Guide less meaningful, and also makes the use of smaller starting rotation in critical games way too risky.

[Jr.]

Re: Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

Not a bug this was changed to help facilitate 4 man rotations and the fact that your SP have all just pitched all those innings throughout the season.

This is definitely backwards. What was the thinking behind needing it changed?

Teams go to a 4 man rotation in the playoffs mostly because of the extra off-days. Game 1 starter still gets his normal 4 days of rest and throws game 5, even though it's only 3 games between starts because of travel days between games 2 and 3.

This really puts a damper on the playoffs because, as others have stated, you need 6 starters instead of 4. I had my #1 pitch the Wild Card game, and was still only at 85ish% stamina 7 days later. So instead of being able to use him in Game 3, or 4 at the worst, in the Division Series, he didn't get to pitch at all.

If it's not a bug, it seem to be very poor implementation. Hopefully y'all can see the error in this and change it very soon because it makes the playoffs very unrealistic when it comes to the starting rotation.

[Fours]

Re: Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

Madison Bumgarner in the World Series last year:

Game 1 7IP 3H 1R 106 pitches

4 days rest

Game 5 9IP 4H 0R 117 pitches

2 days rest

Game 7 5IP 2H 0R 68 pitches in relief

In game, he would have been pitching game 5 at 50%, and Game 7 around 15%. I don't think his results should be common, but it should be possible, and with standard in season fatigue, it's probably possible.

Is the game trying to "fix" something they've decided is an issue in real baseball? Is overuse of a pitcher considered an in game balance issue?

Pitchers can absolutely be effective with 3/4 days rest over the short term, it's been done for decades now where an ace can pitch 3 games in a series if the days off allow 3/4 days rest.

Even if you decide that the pitcher is pitching tired, there's no reason to also assume that he's suddenly feeling the effect of the season and needs 8 days rest.

The game in general handles fatigue questionably. I think they fail to account for the fact that in real baseball, every healthy day off isn't due to fatigue, but often to keep bench players sharp and for platoon/matchup reasons. Likewise, a pitchers arm fatigue is usually the result of years of damage, not this weeks pitch count.

Maybe it would be a cool franchise feature to have to manage young arms, and have detailed medical info on them.. You could have guys on pitch counts, make him drop his splitter to reduce UCL stress, improve his delivery to reduce injury chance and improve control..

I'm all over the place now.. bottom line, remove the unrealistic playoff fatigue, it adds nothing to the gaming experience.

[Smallville102001]

Re: Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

Has any one tried to put starter pitcher stamina slider at 10 in the playoffs to see if that makes things better?

[N51_rob]

Re: Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

Has any one tried to put starter pitcher stamina slider at 10 in the playoffs to see if that makes things better?

This is a very temp fix. It will make them able to go deeper into games, with their pitch count, but it will do nothing to address the glaring issues which is how quickly they regain stamina after days off.