Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

[N51_rob]

Re: Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

Right now it's considered to be a "feature" to facilitate 4 man rotations in the playoffs.

We're going to need a lot of up votes on the bug report to have any chance of it being fixed.

Submitted a bug report for this.

http://theshownation.com/bug_reports/13537

Well the report that I filed isn't even there anymore so I doubt anything will change with this.

[Fours]

Re: Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

New bug report, up vote this before they delete it again.

http://theshownation.com/bug_reports/15315

[MetsRampage]

Re: Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

Lol this can't possibly be a feature. If I rest a pitcher 5 days during the regular season and he is able to completely regenerate his stamina than it should be the same way in the postseason. So I basically spent almost 1 year playing every game of my season only to get screwed at the very end because some one thought it would be a great idea after 9 years to nerf the recovery speed of your starting pitching just because it's the postseason? Great.

[kamackeris76]

Re: Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

Lol this can't possibly be a feature. If I rest a pitcher 5 days during the regular season and he is able to completely regenerate his stamina than it should be the same way in the postseason. So I basically spent almost 1 year playing every game of my season only to get screwed at the very end because some one thought it would be a great idea after 9 years to nerf the recovery speed of your starting pitching just because it's the postseason? Great.

Dumbfounded at the logic of this desicion. It makes no common sense whatsoever. I would love them to give us the reasoning behind this decision as it just seems flawed

[geisterhome]

Re: Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

Dumbfounded at the logic of this desicion. It makes no common sense whatsoever. I would love them to give us the reasoning behind this decision as it just seems flawed

Same here, how they go about it seems to far-fetched that I feel there must be more behind this, but whatever I do I cant figure out what possibly could be there idea behind it

[rinngjj]

Re: Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

Hmm that is interesting. I'm starting to wonder if the game doesn't account for off days in regards to pitcher energy/stamina. Seems to work properly for position players but not the pitchers.

[Fours]

Re: Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

When Ramone said "facilitate 4 man rotations" I think this has confused everyone because he misused the word facilitate.

What makes sense to me is that he meant the opposite, to "****** the effectiveness of 4 man rotations".

Their argument is that while pitchers may start 3 games out of 7, their innings per start are lower on average. So by making you start the game at 60% stamina, and then around 35% for a third game, it will force the statistical average of just over 5 innings. They're assuming you'll pitch 9, 5, then 3 innings?

Their argument saying pitchers are suddenly tired as soon as the playoffs begin with no regard to their season workload seemed like a desperate justification he thought of on the spot, it doesn't make any sense at all.

But hey, nobody's perfect, it's great that we have interaction with the people that make the game and we can do something about it. Up vote the bug report, and if they delete it, I'll keep creating a new one until this is addressed.

Even if their logic is perfect - in a 1 player franchise mode, if I want my ace to pitch 4 games in a series I should be able to edit sliders or players to do that, allow me to choose my own experience if it doesn't ruin another players experience.

[Knight165]

Re: Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

When Ramone said "facilitate 4 man rotations" I think this has confused everyone because he misused the word facilitate.

What makes sense to me is that he meant the opposite, to "****** the effectiveness of 4 man rotations".

Their argument is that while pitchers may start 3 games out of 7, their innings per start are lower on average. So by making you start the game at 60% stamina, and then around 35% for a third game, it will force the statistical average of just over 5 innings. They're assuming you'll pitch 9, 5, then 3 innings?

Their argument saying pitchers are suddenly tired as soon as the playoffs begin with no regard to their season workload seemed like a desperate justification he thought of on the spot, it doesn't make any sense at all.

But hey, nobody's perfect, it's great that we have interaction with the people that make the game and we can do something about it. Up vote the bug report, and if they delete it, I'll keep creating a new one until this is addressed.

Even if their logic is perfect - in a 1 player franchise mode, if I want my ace to pitch 4 games in a series I should be able to edit sliders or players to do that, allow me to choose my own experience if it doesn't ruin another players experience.

How many MLB pitcher throw 9 innings or even 8 in Game 1?

M.K.
Knight165

[Fours]

Re: Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

How many MLB pitcher throw 9 innings or even 8 in Game 1?

M.K.
Knight165

Statistically I'm sure it's close to never. I was just laying out how the current system seems designed to work, not how I think it should be designed.

Off the top of my head, I know Jack Morris threw three games out of 7 and went 7 innings, 6 innings, then 10 innings.

Bumgarner's complete game was his second start, right?

I don't remember Schillings numbers, but they're similar..

So are you saying that the user should remove a half-fresh pitcher in the 5th or 6th inning of game 1 to preserve him for his four day rest start, then pitch him at near full stamina in game 4 or 5, and then just abuse him in desperation in game 7?

That's the strategy I'll use if I make the playoffs, it's a realistic enough workaround. But it assumes I'll dominate with my ace, if I go 5 innings throwing 100 pitches, I'm screwed.

I looked it up, Morris's pitch count in 91 was 100, 97, 126.

The most recent 7 game series other than the Bumgarner show was in 2012, and in that case both day 1 starts got rocked and didn't last 4 innings, so they didn't rush them out to get 3 starts in.

Before that, 2011, Chris Carpenter when Game 1: 6IP 87PC, Game 5: 7IP 101PC, Game 7: 6IP 91PC.

Those innings and pitch counts would tax a SP using the in season fatigue system, there was never a reason to change anything.

[Fours]

Re: Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

How many MLB pitcher throw 9 innings or even 8 in Game 1?

M.K.
Knight165

Just think, your up vote could be the one that ensures you'll never have to talk to me again, lol

http://theshownation.com/bug_reports/15315

[HozAndMoose]

Re: Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

Statistically I'm sure it's close to never. I was just laying out how the current system seems designed to work, not how I think it should be designed.

Off the top of my head, I know Jack Morris threw three games out of 7 and went 7 innings, 6 innings, then 10 innings.

Bumgarner's complete game was his second start, right?

I don't remember Schillings numbers, but they're similar..

So are you saying that the user should remove a half-fresh pitcher in the 5th or 6th inning of game 1 to preserve him for his four day rest start, then pitch him at near full stamina in game 4 or 5, and then just abuse him in desperation in game 7?

That's the strategy I'll use if I make the playoffs, it's a realistic enough workaround. But it assumes I'll dominate with my ace, if I go 5 innings throwing 100 pitches, I'm screwed.

I looked it up, Morris's pitch count in 91 was 100, 97, 126.

The most recent 7 game series other than the Bumgarner show was in 2012, and in that case both day 1 starts got rocked and didn't last 4 innings, so they didn't rush them out to get 3 starts in.

Before that, 2011, Chris Carpenter when Game 1: 6IP 87PC, Game 5: 7IP 101PC, Game 7: 6IP 91PC.

Those innings and pitch counts would tax a SP using the in season fatigue system, there was never a reason to change anything.

Pretty much what i did / am doing. Now i have a dominant pen so its easier to do so. But my starters have avg 5-6 innings. 7 a couple times. Im now in game 5 of the WS and its go hard all the way.

[Knight165]

Re: Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

Statistically I'm sure it's close to never. I was just laying out how the current system seems designed to work, not how I think it should be designed.

Off the top of my head, I know Jack Morris threw three games out of 7 and went 7 innings, 6 innings, then 10 innings.

Bumgarner's complete game was his second start, right?

I don't remember Schillings numbers, but they're similar..

So are you saying that the user should remove a half-fresh pitcher in the 5th or 6th inning of game 1 to preserve him for his four day rest start, then pitch him at near full stamina in game 4 or 5, and then just abuse him in desperation in game 7?

That's the strategy I'll use if I make the playoffs, it's a realistic enough workaround. But it assumes I'll dominate with my ace, if I go 5 innings throwing 100 pitches, I'm screwed.

I looked it up, Morris's pitch count in 91 was 100, 97, 126.

The most recent 7 game series other than the Bumgarner show was in 2012, and in that case both day 1 starts got rocked and didn't last 4 innings, so they didn't rush them out to get 3 starts in.

Before that, 2011, Chris Carpenter when Game 1: 6IP 87PC, Game 5: 7IP 101PC, Game 7: 6IP 91PC.

Those innings and pitch counts would tax a SP using the in season fatigue system, there was never a reason to change anything.

Absolutely not.
Trust me....I get what you guys are saying and in most ways agree with it.

I think they were trying to keep guys from being able to use a 3 man rotation(which, unfortunately the CPU does not....and IMO needs to be changed) and have 1 or 2 pitchers go 8 or 9 for three games and maybe went a little to far in order to facilitate the CPU and the USER having their starters go 5 or 6.

Perhaps a bonus to regenerating energy if a pitcher throws 8 or 9 innings and gives up less than 2 runs?...(or 3....I didn't look at what pitchers did when they did go 9 innings)

I guess it's tough trying to create realistic results when it's both a CPU(which they can set the rules for in most ways) and the USER in the mix.

M.K.
Knight165

[MetsRampage]

Re: Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

Absolutely not.
Trust me....I get what you guys are saying and in most ways agree with it.

I think they were trying to keep guys from being able to use a 3 man rotation(which, unfortunately the CPU does not....and IMO needs to be changed) and have 1 or 2 pitchers go 8 or 9 for three games and maybe went a little to far in order to facilitate the CPU and the USER having their starters go 5 or 6.

Perhaps a bonus to regenerating energy if a pitcher throws 8 or 9 innings and gives up less than 2 runs?...(or 3....I didn't look at what pitchers did when they did go 9 innings)

I guess it's tough trying to create realistic results when it's both a CPU(which they can set the rules for in most ways) and the USER in the mix.

M.K.
Knight165

If that's the case they did a horrible job of letting people know. I mean how is somebody who plays this game casually suppose to know that this is a "feature" implemented by the developers and not a glitch after the past 8 games of this series didn't have this happen?

[Fours]

Re: Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

They deleted the bug report, again..

To refuse to address the issue is one thing, but to sweep it under the rug is arrogant and insulting.

I guess they've decided that they're right regardless of what their customers are saying.

[Fours]

Re: Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

http://theshownation.com/bug_reports/15413

New report created.. This one won't last long, lol