Okay, we have to talk about it. Changeups.

[Rattler17]

Re: Okay, we have to talk about it. Changeups.

I haven't do so yet but has anyone tried messing with sliders a bit maybe consistency? Would that make it a little less likely to be thrown in that perfect spot right below the knees?

I have zeroed consistency it does nothing because at the end of the day the placement is not the issue it's the fact that everyone seems to drop 15-20 mph off of their fastballs. I'm pretty sure willards roster set will address the effectiveness of the change. I think it would be a lot more hitable if it were not such a drastic speed change all the time.

[jcar0725]

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Ya know, if ya keep flailing at change-ups out of the zone, the computer keeps throwing em.......:-)

I had a huge problem with them at first, but now I'm getting better at judging them.

[modore]

Re: Okay, we have to talk about it. Changeups.

I'll sometimes try to counter a steady diet of offspeed stuff by using guess pitch. Early in the count I'll guess zone only and only swing if it's in that spot.
If you get a couple of knocks you can lower their confidence in the pitch.
The games I really get shut down the pitcher works confidence up on all of his pitches. Seems like then he commands the corners.

[JHedges2]

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LOL reading through this thread!

Glad I'm not the only one having a large amount of difficulty, lol! My average through 6 franchise games is like .198 with the Yankees

[PhilliesFan13]

Re: Okay, we have to talk about it. Changeups.

The pitchers on SCEA's rosters have ridiculously rated changeups with incredibly inflated differentials between their changeup velocities and their fastball velocities. I went through the roster and found over 150 instances of guys having their changeups significantly slower than in real life. I found two guys whose changeups were faster. Why they chose to do that I don't understand, but I put together a spreadsheet if you'd like to edit the pitchers in your chosen roster for more accurate FB/CHG velocities.

I input these changes from the spreadsheet to Redsfan's hybrid roster for my Franchise, and I have definitely seen a change for the better. My strikeouts have dropped a good amount in my new Franchise using these.

[KingV2k3]

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I use Zone and protect against the low junk...

If I sense the pitch is coming in higher, I simply release the L3...

It reorients back up to it's default setting...

That being said, I'm also using Redsfans roster, which has a lot of pitch edits...

The "15 Drop" is nonsense...

[cusefan74]

Re: Okay, we have to talk about it. Changeups.

I struggled with them to start in this game, but now I am starting to get them a lot. I don't have any trick to hitting them, I just have learned what they look like a lot sooner. If you watch real close you can see the speed difference right out of the pitchers hand. I still get fooled by them, but it is a lot better now.

[NDAlum]

Re: Okay, we have to talk about it. Changeups.

I suck and use pitch speed at 0. I don't have any issues


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[countryboy]

Re: Okay, we have to talk about it. Changeups.

There really is no magical answer that can help with hitting changeups. The trick is really to be guessing for the pitch to come.

Changeups have gotten me several times, but there have been others where I've waited on changeup and blasted it out of the park.

[Spokker]

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I usually press start before my first encounter with a new pitcher and see how fast he throws his fastball. If it's below 90 I feel very comfortable waiting out any pitch. I figured out the timing recently and they seem to be the easiest to hit.

The wider the differential between a pitcher's fastest and slowest pitches make them harder to hit.

It's still a guessing game based on my personal bad habits. I tend to swing under fastballs right down the middle. It's such a stupid bad habit that makes no sense.

I counter this bad habit by holding the left stick in a non-neutral position which allows me to aim faster and more accurately, but it also means I'm going to swing since I can't lay off if my left thumb is already aiming. I can only lay off if I'm not already aiming.

It's tough but interesting.

[jtott]

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I haven't do so yet but has anyone tried messing with sliders a bit maybe consistency? Would that make it a little less likely to be thrown in that perfect spot right below the knees?

In another thread .. some have adjusted sliders with some success. I too was having problems with the change up. Some had said to adjust the pitch speed slider higher to like an 8 , allowing the cu to come at you a little faster... well I had mine set at an 8 going back to last year..... there's definitely a change this year as I am way early on the change , and way late on the Fastball. So I tried lowering the slider. Right now I have it at a 5 ... its been great so far... a good balance. I still strike out on the change, but I'm also hitting it better... the FB feels more realistic now as well.

NOW, if I can just hit that sweeping slider.....

[Marino]

Re: Okay, we have to talk about it. Changeups.

There really is no magical answer that can help with hitting changeups. The trick is really to be guessing for the pitch to come.

Changeups have gotten me several times, but there have been others where I've waited on changeup and blasted it out of the park.

I can know they are coming and still swing a minute early.

But I am trying to learn how to hit them.

[PhilliesFan13]

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I can know they are coming and still swing a minute early.

But I am trying to learn how to hit them.

I definitely recommend Quest's spreadsheet edits. Has definitely helped.

I was so frustrated with the speed differential before inputting the changes. I am now enjoying the game again.

[Heroesandvillains]

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Honestly, I think the best way to look at changeups is to stop thinking of how they act and are recognized in real life. This is a 2D game trying to imitate 3D.

I have to most success using the other tools SCEA gives us in approaching this particular pitch. Recognizing AI pitching patterns is a big one, as is watching the individual pitch confidence meter and where that pitch lies numerically the pitcher's arsenal (1 being his best pitch, 5 being his worst).

I'll give you an example. A few nights ago in a game I was losing, it suddenly occurred to me that the pitcher had been going to the change exclusively during righties in middle count situations. And this it QC's, mind you, so keep in mind if you use that mode pitching patters are there too.

After getting burned in my last RHB at bat I KNEW IT WAS COMING. I 100% knew and I took that pitch, used the square button, and promptly hammered it over the centerfield wall for a dinger.

In 2D spaces, changeups are especially hard to see out of the hand because:

1. It acts most similarly to a pitch that moves pretty much straight (the 4SB).
2. 2D spaces allow for us to notice differences in vertical movements but not so much with "depth." (This is why you can 'see ball, hit ball' more consistently with sliders and curves as they act noticeably different in 2D fields from on another and clearly aren't fastballs).

Without gimmicky OSD's (thank god SCEA doesn't use MVP's flashes), or being able to see ball spin, you have to rely more on patterns and how strong the pitchers changeup is compared to the rest of his aresenal as tools. Use the Pitcher Analysis screen to filter through situations too.

I think if you adjust how you see things and do a little bit less of the whole see ball, hit ball thing your success against the change will improve.

Keep in mind, I normally see 'ball, hit ball' as my basic strategy to begin with; but when some patterns become available to me, I remind myself to adjust my course (even if it's just for a pitch or two, or just under certain situations I notice patterns in) and start using my brain instead of just only my eyes to hit.

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Re: Okay, we have to talk about it. Changeups.

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