Rubberbanding AI is killing my enjoyment

[tcorb95]

Re: Rubberbanding AI is killing my enjoyment

It doesn't happen every game but it happens enough to notice a trend. I'm the Royals and they currently have the best defense in baseball IRL. However, in game I am second to last with 23 errors through 33 games. Most of these "errors" happen in late innings and the cpu never fails to take advantage.

All the crazy things that happen in baseball IRL, only happen occasionally, that's what makes them crazy. Those crazy and head scratching moments occur every time I play. I can stand losing, I just do not like losing over things I can't control.

[ryanmc564]

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I completely get what the OP is saying here. There have been times that no matter how well you try to play the game it just feels like everything is working against you. its not all the time I wouldn't have a 42-16 record in my franchise if there was rubberbanding AI. but it is definitely frustrating when you play so many games without any troubles, then to have a game where it is feels like it is punishing you and is very unforgiving, like pouring salt into your wounds bad with unexplainable come back from behind wins for the AI. I hate the expression "well, that's just baseball" but those words are true, sometimes the game feels like it takes it personal and makes it personal more so than any other year I've played the show.


one of my wtf moments, was me cheating in the game, Cards vs dodgers in my franchise. waino vs Kershaw (of course Kershaw is dominating the league and I hate Kershaw) so I decide to switch sides plays as the dodger and do nothing but throw meatballs with Kershaw, needless to say by the 4th inning I had Kershaw gave up 47 runs really inflating his ERA. but when I was batting I would swing at every pitch early causing waino to throw a perfect game on 3 pitch strike outs up until the very last batter in the 9th inning who was a "RELIEF pitcher" left in to hit for myself. I gave the the batter a 0-2 count then switch back to playing as the cards for that last strike, being a Relief pitcher I place the ball right down middle and couldn't hit the strike zone the batter took that 0-2 count and turned it into 3-2 count the next pitch he ripped a double to left center, A RELIEF PITCHER who had no business batting just ruin a perfect game, I tried to cheat at, talk about Karma, I wasn't even mad since I was cheating in the first place. but damn was that not a kick to crouch.

[CujoMatty]

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I think all of us have seen things happen in this game that seem a little questionable. Some would classify it as "comeback code" some would say "cpu boost". I've personally come to accept it as being something that's going to happen from time to time and usually if I use tips I've read in other similar threads I can limit the shenanigans. I for one don't want to win every game and for the most part really enjoy how my games unfold.

[Suvorov]

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This past weekend, my kid was playing in a travel ball tournament. We were up 3-1 in the final inning and we were the home team. The visiting team had 2 outs and a runner on first. All we needed was one out and we win the game.

They scored 4 runs to take the lead 5-3.

We lost.

This stuff happens. There is no rubberband AI in this game. Games can, are and will forever be lost in the end. It's part of life and part of sports.

[countryboy]

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I don't think anyone that is seeing rubber band AI or cpu boosts are saying that comebacks can't/shouldn't happen. They are concerned with how they are happening.

[Bullit]

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I understand what you guys are saying that we've been through this process before. But I don't recall ever giving those who are seeing it an opportunity to see if there are common factors in their experiences. We would argue it's not there, you're playing wrong, myself included, instead of offering a chance for them a chance to explain.

This I'm seeing comeback code it's there vs you're wrong it's not has only led us here. Unless you're willing to offer to help further the discussion then you're only adding to the issue. And we all know it happens in real life, but that doesn't mean their experiences are any less valid.

Please let's stop the back and forth and let those that are seeing it and those willing to offer assistance continue to discuss.

You are right, was mainly just talking towards you. Should have just PM'd instead.

[countryboy]

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You are right, was mainly just talking towards you. Should have just PM'd instead.

No its cool. There were several posts that responded to what I said so, instead of quoting all of them, I just did a general response to all.

[CujoMatty]

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I don't think anyone that is seeing rubber band AI or cpu boosts are saying that comebacks can't/shouldn't happen. They are concerned with how they are happening.

For every example though someone can give a real life example to compare it to.

Imagine if a user controlled pirates team had Polanco get linguine legs like he did in real life to lose the game in extra innings. For as many times I see things happen out of the norm in the show I also see in real life.

[countryboy]

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For every example though someone can give a real life example to compare it to.

Imagine if a user controlled pirates team had Polanco get linguine legs like he did in real life to lose the game in extra innings. For as many times I see things happen out of the norm in the show I also see in real life.

I agree. Odd things happen in real life. Teams fall apart and blow up.

But in this case we are discussing a video game vs real life. And you have people who believe that there is something, beyond their control, happening that is causing them to lose games or give the cpu an unfair advantage.

Whether you agree or not, whether same scenarios happen in real life or not, in this case does not matter. If you feel as though you have no control over the outcome of a game, then again, it doesn't matter what is happening, but rather the how.

Like I said earlier, I personally don't believe there is a rubber band ai code or cpu boosting or anything of the sort. But just because I don't believe it doesn't mean that others are required to not believe as well. So, instead of trying to provide evidence of how they are wrong, or make a mockery of their opinions, I have decided to see if they can find a common factor in their experiences that may explain why they are seeing what they are seeing.

Nobody has to agree with those who believe its there. And they don't have to agree with those who say it isn't. But the constant back and forth, and I'm guilty of this as anyone else, doesn't/isn't going to solve anything. So unless someone is willing to come into this thread with an open mind, or at least see what others have to say and offer advice or suggestions, then please bypass the thread.

[Suvorov]

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I don't think anyone that is seeing rubber band AI or cpu boosts are saying that comebacks can't/shouldn't happen. They are concerned with how they are happening.

I am confused by what you mean when you say "How they are happening". How are they happening? How SHOULD they happen? I have lost games because my pitcher fell apart, I have lost games because they hit a couple of homers, I have lost due to errors, etc., etc., etc. So which of these would be an acceptable way to lose and which ways are unacceptable?

[Speedy]

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Same defense every post. It doesn't happen every game. I won a game 7-1. Then lost a game 4-3. Then the 6-0 comeback happened. Is there malicious code? Probably not. What I'm saying is the Cpu gets a ridiculous and unrealistic boost on higher levels. Can it be attributed to baseball being baseball? Sure. Is it realistic? Not the way the game has it play out.

EDIT: PAD, I apologize...I see you make a fairly similar post in post #20.

If you play on Legend difficulty, what type of gameplay do you realistically expect? How would that differ from Rookie level?

Your point is counter-intuitive to logic, my friend. I mean...I can probably beat a 10-year old in a pickup game of basketball and look good going it; I probably would have a tough game and maybe lose/win frustratingly with a HS player, not even mentioning players in college/NBA.

Quite frankly, there's too much human pride in video games...I have a hard time admitting to myself that I'm no longer a HOF/AS hitter but a Veteran. I may do good for a game here/there but it's too frustrating. Is it the game's fault I cannot hit or is it mine? If a poll was taken on OS and we could derive stats from everybody, where in the bell curve would I fall?

There's difficulty levels for a reason...the selection chosen will determine HOW the AI will play against you and pick up your tendencies based on the difficulty level you've preset. If you find you're getting beat constantly on AS, bump it down or vice-versa if you're winning more often than not.

[badmrfrosty7]

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Pitchout.
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More satisfying to bean them. They don't do anything until they get something in the zone typically so just postponing the inevitable otherwise.

[countryboy]

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I am confused by what you mean when you say "How they are happening". How are they happening? How SHOULD they happen? I have lost games because my pitcher fell apart, I have lost games because they hit a couple of homers, I have lost due to errors, etc., etc., etc. So which of these would be an acceptable way to lose and which ways are unacceptable?

When I say HOW I am talking about the users who believe that rubber band AI or cpu boosts are happening, are saying this happening beyond their control. In other words there isn't anything they can do to stop it from happening.

Everything you mentioned are all plausible explanations for blowing up and losing a lead/game. But if you feel as though those examples are happening and you have no control over them happening, then that is where the problem exists for those who are seeing this happen.

[Suvorov]

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Again, if teams could prevent comebacks from happening to them, then there would never be a comeback in any sport.

I have seen my Marlins give up several leads this year, in real life, some pretty big leads blown. They were not able to stop or prevent it from happening, yet it happened. Happens to ALL teams ALL the time.

If you had the power to stop a comeback from happening in a video game, why even play it? As soon as you take a lead, you might as well shut the thing down and count up another win.

[countryboy]

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Again, if teams could prevent comebacks from happening to them, then there would never be a comeback in any sport.

I have seen my Marlins give up several leads this year, in real life, some pretty big leads blown. They were not able to stop or prevent it from happening, yet it happened. Happens to ALL teams ALL the time.

If you had the power to stop a comeback from happening in a video game, why even play it? As soon as you take a lead, you might as well shut the thing down and count up another win.

You are completely missing what I'm saying. I honestly don't know how else to explain it.

Clearly you do not believe that any code or boost exist that gives the cpu an unfair advantage, and I agree with you. But this thread is for people who believe there is. So please let those who think its happening have their discussion and refrain from trying to explain to them how their experiences are wrong. It doesn't help anything.