The poor animation system really holds this game back from being great!

[countryboy]

Re: The poor animation system really holds this game back from being great!

Here's another one that happened today. Fly ball to left. Animation kicks in and Gardner drops it. But it doesn't end there. It's followed up by the runner being out at third by 5 feet easily but called safe. I guess this one can be explained too.

https://vimeo.com/137662641

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I was wondering when that condescending tone would return.

Animation had nothing to do with that. Once again, your player is out of position to make a routine catch.

As for the play at third, I just chalk those up to missed calls by the umpires. The tag animations need to be worked on no doubt.

[nemesis04]

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I play 99% online and just am not seeing this.

That's cool. I am not going to debate it but we are in the second season of our online franchise and the outfield errors are out of control across the board with all users. The experience is not the same online and offline in regards to fielding in the outfield. Offline I have zero issues.

[jb12780]

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They should let you auto field online.

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[Bobhead]

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First of all, I'm glad to hear you finally realized there is no comeback code.

This is a good thread. Here are my thoughts on each of the videos in the OP.

Video 1:
I see nothing wrong with this video at all. Throw was offline and the catcher prioritized catching the ball safely. I'm assuming there was at least one other runner on base? If so, this is standard operating procedure in real-life MLB. The fielder, upon realizing he has no play, generally strives to make sure no additional errors occur and no other runners advance. That's what happened here.

If the bases were empty on the other hand, I could see an argument for the catcher trying a little harder to apply a tag.

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Video 2:
Yeah there's no excuse for this animation at all. It's completely terrible. Even worse is the animation AFTER the error. The fielder continues to stand there clueless instead of pursuing the ball.

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Video 3:
I agree here again, a play should have been made. One can argue you took a poor route to the ball (and I'd agree with that argument), but that still doesn't excuse the fact that NO animation triggers at all. No reach, nothing. If SCEA is going to opt for an animation-based fielding system, the onus is on them to provide us with an adequate supply of appropriate animation. This play is a good example of where that supply is lacking entirely.

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Video 4:
I don't particularly have a problem with the error made here, as these botches happen every now and then in real life also. As with video #2 though, I have a huge problem with the "derp moment" after the error, where the fielder continues to stand there with his legs open, like a child who has no idea what to do next. A fielder should immediately engage in recovery after an error, with no delay at all.

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Video 5:
Yeah this is entirely a glitch/flaw in the animation system. SCEA already knows it is a problem. They've tried to fix it (it was way worse in previous years). They just need to fix it some more. Nothing else to say about it. It shouldn't happen.

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Video 6:
I actually like this error animation quite a bit. It reminds me of real-life corner outfielders who let their teams down all too often (SF Giants RF comes to mind, though I forget his name). Perhaps it occurs too frequently, or to gold-glove caliber fielders whom would not ever be committing such mistakes in that fashion... I don't know. But I do know that not everyone is a good outfielder in real life, and this animation looks pretty reasonable for those that lack the skill.

I still have a problem with the recovery afterwards, though. Another delay.

Overall I definitely agree with you, the animation system needs a lot of work. My biggest gripes are:
1) Too many instances where no animation triggers
2) All error animations should immediately and smoothly flow into recovery animations. The current situation is that, instead, there is often a noticeable, ridiculously long delay between when a fielder botches a play, and when he remembers he's a fielder and goes back to doing his job. There should never be a delay. Period.

[Factzzz]

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Is a photo good enough? Only took a sec.

Spoiler

Not quite camped under it but still an easy catch when he is in position:

http://m.mlb.com/video/v34603793/baloak-cespedes-recovers-after-dropping-the-ball

Okay, camped under it:

http://fat.gfycat.com/UnsteadyImpartialHarvestmouse.mp4

Easy one but Werth has poor OF ratings

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mr1irRhO6s

Check out #1, if that was in the game y'all be mad bro!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QISzRM7EkWY

And a pretty famous one that was an easy catch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbIHRGUesZQ

Easy but no

https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/570BE83A091202130838184206336_3c5d85bf8fa.2.1.4166307453234290850.mp4?versionId=Ys41nvcY8wzLAuSkBaeuuBIkfISVGhJc

This was in the webbing and dropped - he was in AAA the next day but back and doing well enough

https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CHWO-WMUcAAH6a2.mp4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvHbqqrWlQY

All this proves is that it does happen but I cannot dispute that it might appear to be too often due to a lack of animations. Things that do happen commonly out there that could use anis: sun in eyes, lost view of the ball, slipped, who called for it and fall between. Any more come to mind? I use Nomo's error sliders for accuracy on errors by the way.

I saw this post coming, of course it's happened in real life, even then, it is extremely rare to see an outfielder drop a flyball that he let hit his glove, my problem is the frequency in which it happens (online at least), it happens way way way too much.

If the animations were some of the ones you mentioned, like sun in eyes, slipped, who called for it, or if they were due to bad routes to the ball, then i'd be a lot more understanding. Not just plain old clunking off the fielder's glove.

[TheBallGuru]

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And then we wonder why nothing ever gets fixed....just allowing them to get complacent. The fact that you see nothing off with any of the 6 videos I posted is honestly alarming to say the least.


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You seem to be in the minority here. Your videos didn't show anything alarming. Like people have said the real issue is the amount of animations they have. They need to add more, it's not that their animations are poor it's that they don't have enough.

[rjackson]

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I saw this post coming, of course it's happened in real life, even then, it is extremely rare to see an outfielder drop a flyball that he let hit his glove, my problem is the frequency in which it happens (online at least), it happens way way way too much.

If the animations were some of the ones you mentioned, like sun in eyes, slipped, who called for it, or if they were due to bad routes to the ball, then i'd be a lot more understanding. Not just plain old clunking off the fielder's glove.

you kind of asked for it!

In the end, we are in agreement, for once.

[TheBallGuru]

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Here's another one that happened today. Fly ball to left. Animation kicks in and Gardner drops it. But it doesn't end there. It's followed up by the runner being out at third by 5 feet easily but called safe. I guess this one can be explained too.

https://vimeo.com/137662641

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This play in LF is 1000% on the user not the animation. I've had this happen to me before but it's because I was out of position. It's extremely rare and 99% of pop ups I'd say most users with good skill are in proper position and catch it routinely. If you play that ball properly then he routinely catches the ball and on to the next play.

But you misplayed the ball which is fine, happens to all of us. Difference is we don't blame the animation....when it's not the animations fault.

If it was people would agree and mention it. But since we don't believe it is you paint us as fanboys who are the reason the show doesn't improve. Ok sir, good day.

[Padgoi]

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This play in LF is 1000% on the user not the animation. I've had this happen to me before but it's because I was out of position. It's extremely rare and 99% of pop ups I'd say most users with good skill are in proper position and catch it routinely. If you play that ball properly then he routinely catches the ball and on to the next play.

But you misplayed the ball which is fine, happens to all of us. Difference is we don't blame the animation....when it's not the animations fault.

If it was people would agree and mention it. But since we don't believe it is you paint us as fanboys who are the reason the show doesn't improve. Ok sir, good day.

And the fact that he was out at third by five feet yet called safe? Is that on me too?


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[Smallville102001]

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I have to disagree about the animations I think they are some of the best in sports games. What I do think the game needs is a big improvement in graphics. The game's graphics are while behind both NBA 2K and madden by a lot. Game almost looks like ps3.5 in steady of ps4 and that is disappointing because last gen mlb the show had by far the best graphics for any sports games.

[countryboy]

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And the fact that he was out at third by five feet yet called safe? Is that on me too?


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No its been mentioned a few times on the forums that the tag animations need to be worked on for '16.

This is your typical type thread. Find something subjective so you have something to slam the game, devs, and "fanboys" about and argue with those who disagree with you in a condescending tone.

[Speedy]

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Many of you who know me know I'm never hesitant to post my displeasure with this game.

[Factzzz]

Re: The poor animation system really holds this game back from being great!

I have to disagree about the animations I think they are some of the best in sports games. What I do think the game needs is a big improvement in graphics. The game's graphics are while behind both NBA 2K and madden by a lot. Game almost looks like ps3.5 in steady of ps4 and that is disappointing because last gen mlb the show had by far the best graphics for any sports games.

I agree with this, but only in terms of the player models.

The stadiums and crowds are better than any other sports game. But the player models might as well be ps3 models, and the player models look 1000x worse than NBA 2k's player models.

If the Show works on the player models, and gets them up to par with the likes of NBA 2k, the Show will far and away have the best graphics of any game.

[Padgoi]

Re: The poor animation system really holds this game back from being great!

No its been mentioned a few times on the forums that the tag animations need to be worked on for '16.



This is your typical type thread. Find something subjective so you have something to slam the game, devs, and "fanboys" about and argue with those who disagree with you in a condescending tone.

I'm not slamming anyone and I'm tired of people claiming someone is slamming the developers whenever they have a legitimate gripe. Everything I've posted in this thread is an issue in my opinion and I've provided video proof. Just because you defend every single thing about the game doesn't mean issues don't exist. Maybe you don't see a problem with the animations, but I do and clearly I'm not alone.


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[countryboy]

Re: The poor animation system really holds this game back from being great!

I'm not slamming anyone and I'm tired of people claiming someone is slamming the developers whenever they have a legitimate gripe. Everything I've posted in this thread is an issue in my opinion and I've provided video proof. Just because you defend every single thing about the game doesn't mean issues don't exist. Maybe you don't see a problem with the animations, but I do and clearly I'm not alone.


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Thanks for making my point