The poor animation system really holds this game back from being great!

[Bullit]

Re: The poor animation system really holds this game back from being great!

I'm not slamming anyone and I'm tired of people claiming someone is slamming the developers whenever they have a legitimate gripe. Everything I've posted in this thread is an issue in my opinion and I've provided video proof. Just because you defend every single thing about the game doesn't mean issues don't exist. Maybe you don't see a problem with the animations, but I do and clearly I'm not alone.


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You are certainly not alone, but I feel you are in the minority.

In every thread you have started you are always pointing out the negatives. You always say it is to improve the game and that every one else kisses up to the developers. Any time anybody disagrees with your point of view you take it as an attack on you personally and become condescending and judgmental. I personally don't understand why you keep playing this game since you have never seemed happy with any version of the game that has come out.

Whatever your agenda is, all you are doing is alienating members of the forum and I am pretty sure the developers as well. The presence that the developers have had here has significantly dropped over the years and considering the threads and attitudes of some of the people posting on here it is certainly not a surprise. Remember as much as you despise aspects of this game there are those of us that love them. You are entitled to your opinions as much as we are entitled to dispute them. You post videos showing what you don't like, we show videos that we think explain the issue and why we don't have a problem with what is happening. That is the way the system works.

[Padgoi]

Re: The poor animation system really holds this game back from being great!

You are certainly not alone, but I feel you are in the minority.



In every thread you have started you are always pointing out the negatives. You always say it is to improve the game and that every one else kisses up to the developers. Any time anybody disagrees with your point of view you take it as an attack on you personally and become condescending and judgmental. I personally don't understand why you keep playing this game since you have never seemed happy with any version of the game that has come out.



Whatever your agenda is, all you are doing is alienating members of the forum and I am pretty sure the developers as well. The presence that the developers have had here has significantly dropped over the years and considering the threads and attitudes of some of the people posting on here it is certainly not a surprise. Remember as much as you despise aspects of this game there are those of us that love them. You are entitled to your opinions as much as we are entitled to dispute them. You post videos showing what you don't like, we show videos that we think explain the issue and why we don't have a problem with what is happening. That is the way the system works.

And I have no issues with this. What bothers me is when someone points out an obvious flaw and people flock to defend it as being realistic when it is anything but. If you think the animations are realistic, then more power to you, but for those of us who don't, you guys coming into every single topic we make to point them out is just as counter-productive as those of us who do point them out. You act as if we are the ones starting the arguments, but you guys come into these threads and defend them. If you love the game and the animations, what's the point of coming into the threads where people are pointing out the issues they have with them? You're just as guilty as those of us pointing out the issues we have with the game. And I apologize for my condescending tone, but it gets frustrating when I do point out issues and have the same 4 or 5 people coming into the topic saying I'm wrong.


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[Bullit]

Re: The poor animation system really holds this game back from being great!

And I have no issues with this. What bothers me is when someone points out an obvious flaw and people flock to defend it as being realistic when it is anything but. If you think the animations are realistic, then more power to you, but for those of us who don't, you guys coming into every single topic we make to point them out is just as counter-productive as those of us who do point them out. You act as if we are the ones starting the arguments, but you guys come into these threads and defend them. If you love the game and the animations, what's the point of coming into the threads where people are pointing out the issues they have with them? You're just as guilty as those of us pointing out the issues we have with the game. And I apologize for my condescending tone, but it gets frustrating when I do point out issues and have the same 4 or 5 people coming into the topic saying I'm wrong.


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This is where I think we seem to have a parting of the ways. I try to see your point of it, I really do. I am not arguing with you for the sake of arguing. Well honestly maybe I am a little bit, but some of the best friends I have ever had came out of two people arguing about something they believe in.

You see, I don't see these as obvious flaws. This is the point where I think our contention lies. You see them as parts of the game that are broken and I/we do not.I think this is the point we are arguing about. You think the animations are broken and ruin the game. I think the are realistic and add to the game. I will say I think they need more animations so that there might be more variety and that may help with this problem. You consider the game broken and I do not. You will argue your point and I will continue to argue mine. I am not saying you are wrong for your opinion, I think you are wrong for your conclusion. You seem to think I am wrong for both my opinion and my conclusions and that is where I think the frustration comes in.

You start these thread in a Forum about the game. If you want to post a topic of your opinion of a game but don't want discussion on it then why post in a forum. This is what this area is for, it is the nature of a forum. It is what it was designed for. If people disagreeing with you is annoying then you have come to the wrong place to start posting you opinion.

Honestly some of you posts have helped me love the game more. I see things that you think are flaws and I get frustrated with some of them as well. But in the course of research and listening to others I have come to realize they are things that I love so deeply about this game. So in "defending" the game I find more reason why I love the game. There are times when I have almost put this game down and gone back to last years. But I have truly come to think of this years version as one of the best that has ever been made. Even to the point that I am not sure if I will move on to next years version right away if at all.

So that is where I stand. I think you and I will always disagree on some fundamentals. You will continue to post about things you don't like and I will most continue to get on your nerves by arguing with you about it.

[countryboy]

Re: The poor animation system really holds this game back from being great!

Its not about wrong or right in opinion, but its more trying to explain why the animation is playing out the way that it does/did. Its trying to explain why things may happen (poor route, poor fielder ratings, etc....) You make it seem like these "issues" are black and white and that is far from the case, and thankfully so, because if not, then there would be no difference in any of the players.



I don't do this for the sake of arguing with you. I discuss and offer up explanations so that people who may just be now getting into the series don't get just one side of the story.

And not trying to sound boastful or anything, but you state that I'm blindly defending the game, but I say that I'm pointing out my experiences having played 400+ games, every inning, every pitch.

[Padgoi]

Re: The poor animation system really holds this game back from being great!

Bullit, that was one of the most thought out and intelligent posts I've ever seen at this forum. You defended your position in such a way that wasn't argumentative, but instead made me see why you love the game so much. Hats off to you sir, people like you make this forum worth coming back to over and over.


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[Smallville102001]

Re: The poor animation system really holds this game back from being great!

I agree with this, but only in terms of the player models.

The stadiums and crowds are better than any other sports game. But the player models might as well be ps3 models, and the player models look 1000x worse than NBA 2k's player models.

If the Show works on the player models, and gets them up to par with the likes of NBA 2k, the Show will far and away have the best graphics of any game.

Ok I will give you the stadiums and crowds look really good but NBA 2k faces almost look photo realistic while show still looks almost like ps3 faces. The lighting is good but faces need a lot of work.

[Comduklakis]

Re: The poor animation system really holds this game back from being great!

1. Agreed they need more animations to make different types of errors look different.

2. There are too many OF errors. Cherry picking a few examples over the years of guys having balls bounce off their gloves doesn't account for each team have several of these in one season. Reality is there may be 10-20 plays a year where an OF flat out camps under a ball and has it bounce right off their glove (or head). Most errors involve bad routes to flyballs that put fielders in awkward positions (see any game Rajai Davis is in the OF, particularly CF), miscommunication with another OF (hard to put in game), lost in lights or sun, or botching a ball that is bouncing on the ground.

3. I love this site but I will say that reaction to "negative" posts on the MLB Show forum is way more likely to result in an attack back (or defense, depending on your point of view and sensitivity level) on the poster than on the NBA2k forums. I realize that MLB the Show has built up years of goodwill with fans (and rightfully so) but there does seem to a be a bit of a "circle the wagons" mentality when the game is criticized. Just because the OP or a few others in the thread see things differently doesn't make them wrong or "condescending" (didn't find OP condescending in the slightest but then again I also don't remember reading prior posts that stuck out from him, so their might be a history there).

Bottom line is MLB Show is a great and fun game but it isn't above criticism. Even "unfair" criticism can be helpful to developers so they can see how some folks might misconstrue what is in the game and react accordingly if they see fit.

[countryboy]

Re: The poor animation system really holds this game back from being great!

I think everyone on the board is in agreement that more animations are needed, and not just in error situations, but all around. The more animations the better.

However, the OP of this thread and the thought behind it, at least as how I read it, is that the 6 animations/videos that he showed were triggering and therefore "costing" him errors, which wasn't the case. There were logical reasons behind those instances, other than the fact the game triggered a poor animation to cheat the user.

Some may call it "circling the wagons against criticism", when in reality it is trying to explain to someone why something may or may not have happened.

I'm one of the biggest Show Supporters on this site, I play the crap out of the game, but I don't feel that its above criticism nor do I think there aren't areas of the game that need to be worked on/rebuilt/added. The difference is that I don't take these things and plaster them all over the forum, nor do I create threads for the sake of argument. I post them in wishlists threads or developer feedback threads and I go out my business.

[rjackson]

Re: The poor animation system really holds this game back from being great!

1. Agreed they need more animations to make different types of errors look different.

2. There are too many OF errors. Cherry picking a few examples over the years of guys having balls bounce off their gloves doesn't account for each team have several of these in one season. Reality is there may be 10-20 plays a year where an OF flat out camps under a ball and has it bounce right off their glove (or head). Most errors involve bad routes to flyballs that put fielders in awkward positions (see any game Rajai Davis is in the OF, particularly CF), miscommunication with another OF (hard to put in game), lost in lights or sun, or botching a ball that is bouncing on the ground.

3. I love this site but I will say that reaction to "negative" posts on the MLB Show forum is way more likely to result in an attack back (or defense, depending on your point of view and sensitivity level) on the poster than on the NBA2k forums. I realize that MLB the Show has built up years of goodwill with fans (and rightfully so) but there does seem to a be a bit of a "circle the wagons" mentality when the game is criticized. Just because the OP or a few others in the thread see things differently doesn't make them wrong or "condescending" (didn't find OP condescending in the slightest but then again I also don't remember reading prior posts that stuck out from him, so their might be a history there).

Bottom line is MLB Show is a great and fun game but it isn't above criticism. Even "unfair" criticism can be helpful to developers so they can see how some folks might misconstrue what is in the game and react accordingly if they see fit.

First, one word ref too many OF errors: Sliders. Second, yes, there is a history and a reputation if you will from the OP. Third, a lot of the times the circling of the wagons is a result of someone having a lack of information and it gets more to be a more robust of a discussion when that information which is given and known fact is disputed for a variety of reasons.

[KBLover]

Re: The poor animation system really holds this game back from being great!

First, one word ref too many OF errors: Sliders. Second, yes, there is a history and a reputation if you will from the OP. Third, a lot of the times the circling of the wagons is a result of someone having a lack of information and it gets more to be a more robust of a discussion when that information which is given and known fact is disputed for a variety of reasons.

And I'm not sure why I don't see "too many" errors. I've *raised* my Outfield Error slider to 7 - and it's still too low in terms of "actual errors" (i.e. E7, E8, E9), but I do see more bad routes and such.

Perhaps that's why - I'm seeing more misplays where the fielder doesn't get in right position more than botching plays he should/could make.

[Padgoi]

Re: The poor animation system really holds this game back from being great!

First, one word ref too many OF errors: Sliders. Second, yes, there is a history and a reputation if you will from the OP. Third, a lot of the times the circling of the wagons is a result of someone having a lack of information and it gets more to be a more robust of a discussion when that information which is given and known fact is disputed for a variety of reasons.

My "history" is that I call a spade a spade. When I see something I feel is wrong with the game, I don't hesitate to make it public. That's it. And the animations in this year's game are pathetic at best.

[Bullit]

Re: The poor animation system really holds this game back from being great!

My "history" is that I call a spade a spade. When I see something I feel is wrong with the game, I don't hesitate to make it public. That's it. And the animations in this year's game are pathetic at best.

Again this is just an opinion. There needs to be more, but I think the animations are fine. I don't think they break the game or cause even half of the errors you and others have posted.

[TheWarmWind]

Re: The poor animation system really holds this game back from being great!

I think this is another case of the developers being cursed by their own success. For the most part, I actually think the animations are really good in 15. It's that fact that makes it look so awkward, out of place and frustrating when they don't work properly.

More animations are always better, but I don't think a lot of people appreciate the amount of effort and time that is required in order to incorporate animations into the game. It's not just a simple question of mo-capping. Hundreds of variables will go into calculating what animation is triggered, and when. This is far more than even your standard AAA video game title, and those usually get development cycles of 3 to 5 years.

I will agree that animations are important. In fact they may be one of the most important factors in a modern day sports video game. But there also needs to be some understanding that no matter how much work is put into it, it will never be perfect, and asking the devs to improve the animation system 1 year after it was already vastly improved is asking a little too much. This is something that we hope will continue to improve with time (and it has) but will never, EVER be perfect.

[calbrs04]

Re: The poor animation system really holds this game back from being great!

I just found a new one that really pissed me off. Pick-offs. Besides the fact that there are too many balls that are thrown away, I had Carl Crawford picked off at first, but my 1B didn't even bother to try to make a tag.

[KBLover]

Re: The poor animation system really holds this game back from being great!

My "history" is that I call a spade a spade. When I see something I feel is wrong with the game, I don't hesitate to make it public. That's it. And the animations in this year's game are pathetic at best.

The first part is pointing out what's wrong with the game. Some animations are bad/cause issues. Some of these issues cause practical impacts on gameplay. Nothing to dispute there. You provided video evidence of the scenarios and how the animations play out. That's good.

The second part, calling it pathetic, is just your opinion/feeling. That's unnecessary if you're just going to point out what's wrong with the game.