Official 2016 uniform errors and omissions

[kehlis]

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So Majestic and New Era don't need to use the style guide when making uniforms? Where do companies get the official color values when they make the apparel? Surely there is some mention of the cream unis in the Style Guide.

But whatevs. Believe what you want from a game that has trouble updating uniforms and stadiums.

They get the info from the teams they are creating the uniforms for, not really sure where your confusion is.

Majestic, New Era, they aren't bound by the style guide. They do what the team paying them wants them to do.

[merchant1874]

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They get the info from the teams they are creating the uniforms for, not really sure where your confusion has.

Majestic, New Era, they aren't bound by the style guide. They do what the team paying them wants them to do.

It makes the fact the style guide is so strict a complete farce tbh. Who exactly is bound by the style guide? The Media and MLB the show? Even that other game didn't seem to be bound by it.

It is what it is but it makes no sense.

[WSU151]

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They get the info from the teams they are creating the uniforms for, not really sure where your confusion is.

Majestic, New Era, they aren't bound by the style guide. They do what the team paying them wants them to do.

So only MLB The Show is bound by the style guide? Every other company that has anything to do with baseball trademarks, graphics, and licensing doesn't use it?

Hahahaha ok. Enjoy that kool-aid.

As mentioned in the little things thread, the cream unis aren't in due to a lack of slots, and it's been well documented.

And by the way, teams don't pay Majestic or New Era. Majestic and New Era don't pay money to the league to be the official suppliers, only to have teams pay them back. It doesn't work like that, and I'm not sure why you'd think that.

[Herschie]

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So Majestic and New Era don't need to use the style guide when making uniforms? Where do companies get the official color values when they make the apparel? Surely there is some mention of the cream unis in the Style Guide.

But whatevs. Believe what you want from a game that has trouble updating uniforms and stadiums.

I wonder if they can't ask the teams themselves about the style guide? One year I think I heard someone say that if you don't like it, write a letter to the team. Why can't SCEA do that? Who's going to have more clout, Mr. Joe Schmoe fan, or a big company that partners with MLB? I can't for the life of me understand why MLB would get all bent out of shape over accurately-portrayed uniforms.

And why do we only have the same amount of slots that we've had since I believe 06? I know, the files are big. But you know what? Figure it out! I remember ESPN NFL 2K5 had pretty much every uniform every team ever wore since like 1960.

Jerseys have needed work for years. We're the consumers. Make us happy!

[aaronblrt1]

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I really hope they patch the Spring Training/BP jerseys into the game. I can deal with the other jersey issues, but the lack of the new BP/ST jerseys is unacceptable. Some of them are out of place even like the dbacks that have their logo on the ST/BP jersey.

[redsox4evur]

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I really hope they patch the Spring Training/BP jerseys into the game. I can deal with the other jersey issues, but the lack of the new BP/ST jerseys is unacceptable. Some of them are out of place even like the dbacks that have their logo on the ST/BP jersey.

How is it unacceptable if they were announced 3 weeks before the game was ready to be shipped out? And they were NOT told about the uniforms prior to their public release. So what are they supposed to do in that situation? Because it probably takes weeks or months to get the jerseys created from scratch.

[WSU151]

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I wonder if they can't ask the teams themselves about the style guide? One year I think I heard someone say that if you don't like it, write a letter to the team. Why can't SCEA do that? Who's going to have more clout, Mr. Joe Schmoe fan, or a big company that partners with MLB? I can't for the life of me understand why MLB would get all bent out of shape over accurately-portrayed uniforms.


And why do we only have the same amount of slots that we've had since I believe 06? I know, the files are big. But you know what? Figure it out! I remember ESPN NFL 2K5 had pretty much every uniform every team ever wore since like 1960.

Jerseys have needed work for years. We're the consumers. Make us happy!

I can understand why MLB would get all bent out of shape over uniforms...as the league wants to protect the visual identities and trademarks of its teams. But to require MLB The Show to be absolutely bound by the style guide when there are known mistakes in the style guide is absolutely ridiculous. MLB The Show should be able to petition/ask the league to add uniforms or elements (such as patches) if they are worn in game but are not in the style guide.

And I think people would be happy if the game's developers added miminal slots per year, as a sign of goodwill and progress. The arrogant "Nope, can't happen because..well, just can't...but here are some excuses you all will eat up" has become old.

[kehlis]

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It makes the fact the style guide is so strict a complete farce tbh. Who exactly is bound by the style guide? The Media and MLB the show? Even that other game didn't seem to be bound by it.

It is what it is but it makes no sense.

The Show is bound by the Style Guide because they are asked to due to the license. Not sure where you got media but they have nothing to do with it.

So only MLB The Show is bound by the style guide? Every other company that has anything to do with baseball trademarks, graphics, and licensing doesn't use it?

Hahahaha ok. Enjoy that kool-aid.

No kool aid my man, but if what I assume you mean by kool aid is correct I can assure you that you are wrong.

As mentioned in the little things thread, the cream unis aren't in due to a lack of slots, and it's been well documented.

You can go through my posts if you would like but I've agreed that the slot issue is something that needs to be fixed. I know you think I'm 100% pro the game but you won't find a post from me defending the slot limitations (other than to say I'm not a dev so I don't know what goes into it) so I'm not sure why you even brought that up.

And by the way, teams don't pay Majestic or New Era. Majestic and New Era don't pay money to the league to be the official suppliers, only to have teams pay them back. It doesn't work like that, and I'm not sure why you'd think that.

Yes sir, it does work that way.

[WSU151]

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Yes sir, it does work that way.

Oh? What do teams pay New Era and Majestic to make the uniforms? Is it like high school? Why do shoe companies give all their stuff for free to college teams, but MLB teams are forced to pay?

And the theory that MLB The Show is bound to the style guide because of the license, when every other company doesn't have to use it, just doesn't add up. Hopefully some lawyer would start asking questions about the requirements of the license.

[kehlis]

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Oh? What do teams pay New Era and Majestic to make the uniforms? Is it like high school? Why do shoe companies give all their stuff to college teams, but MLB teams are forced to pay?

I have no idea what they pay if you're looking for an exact amount.

When I coached in High School, we had to fund-raise to pay for equipment.

When I played and coached in college, the school footed the bill for the majority of the equipment.

From those I know who have played in or coached in professional baseball they never payed for any equipment other than accessories they wanted themselves.


I can tell you nothing is free, they don't just mass produce this stuff without someone paying them for it.

[kehlis]

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And the theory that MLB The Show is bound to the style guide because of the license, when every other company doesn't have to use it, just doesn't add up. Hopefully some lawyer would start asking questions about the requirements of the license.

What other company?

Tell me another company that has an EXCLUSIVE license with them that would be held liable to the style guide.

[WSU151]

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I have no idea what they pay if you're looking for an exact amount.

When I coached in High School, we had to fund-raise to pay for equipment.

When I played and coached in college, the school footed the bill for the majority of the equipment.

From those I know who have played in or coached in professional baseball they never payed for any equipment other than accessories they wanted themselves.


I can tell you nothing is free, they don't just mass produce this stuff without someone paying them for it.

You are correct - your friends in pro baseball never paid for any apparel, except for customized accessories (and even then, probably at cost). Like I said, that's how it works in the big leagues. MLB teams don't pay suppliers for jerseys.

Pro teams don't pay anything (well, maybe shipping costs) to the suppliers. Suppliers pay the teams to wear the manufacturer's logo. There might be maximum amounts in the deal (I know in the NFL there's a max to the number of jerseys a team can order), but honestly, Majestic isn't paying hundreds of millions to MLB only to be paid back. That's how sponsorship works. Gatorade and Nike paid Michael Jordan...if you can find the last time Michael Jordan paid for a Gatorade or a pair of basketball shoes as a pro athlete, I will sell you a bridge in New York.

Majestic and New Era make their money back by selling apparel and equipment to fans and amateurs. So yes, they mass produce this stuff for the teams for free thanks to the dollars spent by the fans.

[WSU151]

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What other company?

Tell me another company that has an EXCLUSIVE license with them that would be held liable to the style guide.

New Era has the exclusive license to on-field hats.

Majestic has the exclusive license to on-field jerseys and jackets.

[kehlis]

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You are correct - your friends in pro baseball never paid for any apparel, except for customized accessories (and even then, probably at cost). Like I said, that's how it works in the big leagues. MLB teams don't pay suppliers for jerseys.

Pro teams don't pay anything (well, maybe shipping costs) to the suppliers. Suppliers pay the teams to wear the manufacturer's logo. There might be maximum amounts in the deal (I know in the NFL there's a max to the number of jerseys a team can order), but honestly, Majestic isn't paying hundreds of millions to MLB only to be paid back. That's how sponsorship works. Gatorade and Nike paid Michael Jordan...if you can find the last time Michael Jordan paid for a Gatorade or a pair of basketball shoes as a pro athlete, I will sell you a bridge in New York.

Majestic and New Era make their money back by selling apparel and equipment to fans and amateurs. So yes, they mass produce this stuff for the teams for free thanks to the dollars spent by the fans.

New Era has the exclusive license to on-field hats.

Majestic has the exclusive license to on-field jerseys and jackets.

You just proved my point, whether the team is paying it or the MLB is. Someone is.

My business is in economics and I have never had the pleasure of working in an MLB front office. I can assure you that no company is giving a free pass to get their brand out there with every team.


That's what endorsements with players is for.

[WSU151]

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You just proved my point, whether the team is paying it or the MLB is. Someone is.

My business is in economics and I have never had the pleasure of working in an MLB front office. I can assure you that no company is giving a free pass to get their brand out there with every team.


That's what endorsements with players is for.

Your point was MLB teams (or the league itself) pay Majestic and New Era to make their jerseys.

Which they don't.

Your other point was companies that have exclusive licenses with MLB must be bound by the style guide. Which apparently they aren't.

Majestic and New Era pay the teams and also give them jerseys for free. Seriously, I'm not making this up. I'm pretty sure Nike gives NFL teams free jerseys too. All of the suppliers are paid back via the consumer in the stands, people who will pay a premium to buy the authentic product.

Your experience in high school and college is not the way it works in the big leagues.

My degree is in economics too, man. And I understand how suppliers give money and apparel to pro athletes without charging them for it. The cost is passed on to others (i.e., us the consumer).