Official 2016 uniform errors and omissions

[philmnn]

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I said something similar in a different thread about a month ago. It would solve many team's problems. Russell himself replied that it's not as simple as it sounds. Take it for what it's worth. My feeling is the slot system has some type of coding for random game match ups.

Seems weird. I remember last year (and possibly this year, idk) the Astros had their warmup jerseys set for spring training as well as certain regular season games.

If you read my post at all you would see that I said it should change. I have been one of the ones saying they need to address this for a few years now. The jersey are is arguably one of the most neglected facets of the game. That being said, we can point out that certain jerseys should be in thats fine. However, we know the reason that certain jerseys are not included so making statements like "here's no justification to NOT have the Mariners cream jerseys in the game this year" are not accurate because the system that they use won't allow it. It should be changed in the future, but for now, it is what it is.

Ramone was asked multiple times on twitter about the Mariners jersey and other specific jerseys prior to release, so they are aware that people want them in. It's mind boggling that they don't address and expand the jersey selection and get it right. This discussion though, should be had before the game was released...and it was...at this point the best we can hope for is that they overhaul the whole system for next year. It shouldn't be this hard

Obviously I'm no dev and really my only reasonings for saying/questioning anything about jerseys is from a consumer standpoint, but I just have to question the way jerseys are implemented. I remember the show's first year on ps4, it was stated that the ps3 could run somewhere around 20-30 different crowd models, while the ps4 could run potentially up to a thousand. Yet jersey file sizes are too big to up the number from machines released 10 years ago. They implemented PBR this year and gave literally every part of a ballpark a surface type that takes in and reflects sunlight in a magnitude of different ways, but jersey file sizes are too big. They added closed roofs, but jersey files are too big. I'm assuming some of that has to do with jerseys flowing and fitting a movable object's body, idk.

Its just weird to me. SCEA have been one of the greatest dev teams from all standpoints over the years and theyve accomplished a lot of things that many thought were impossible, I feel like thats where the frustration with jerseys comes from because out of everything we have been gifted with, it seems hard to believe that jerseys are their kryptonite. I really hope they do some deep research for future games because in terms of variety and accuracy, its the only true weakness of this game visually. The fact that jersey numbers still hang too low after at least 5 years of complaints is the part that worries me. If they hang too low for every team and the excuse is the same layout is used for every team, i dont see where the issue is if it affects every jersey.

[cherman24]

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Seems weird. I remember last year (and possibly this year, idk) the Astros had their warmup jerseys set for spring training as well as certain regular season games.

In real life, the Astros were using the bp as a 2nd alt. That's why I think it's more of a programming issue so they code the jersey to take up 2 slots. This years pirates use the new Sunday throwback as a home alt and throwback road. Seems redundant, but if the game randomly picks throwback home for you, it probably matches throwback road for me rather than sifting through codes that say the Pirates use home alt rather than throwback. Again, I feel the point is moot as we can change our uniforms in the screen prior. File size wise, I wonder if the Yankees have a road hat, jersey, pants taking up one piece of data and having it just renamed it for the alt slot or is it a second file for road alt hat, jersey, pants?

[BL8001]

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Why do the rays have 2 throwbacks that are identical?

There are quite a few teams that have 2 jerseys that are so close to each other it seems odd to have both in when another version would be so much better.

The rays one is odd though because I sat there and flipped back in forth between them and cannot see the difference.

[franch1se]

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Padres: MISSING-new camo jersey and hat. ERROR-1978 Home/Away missing names on the back.

I was really looking forward to playing with these new ones. Anyways, despite missing the new camo jerseys, the Padres don't have any camo at all in this game.

[sydrogerdavid]

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Why do the rays have 2 throwbacks that are identical?

There are quite a few teams that have 2 jerseys that are so close to each other it seems odd to have both in when another version would be so much better.

The rays one is odd though because I sat there and flipped back in forth between them and cannot see the difference.

I think the only difference is the hat.

[405Cowboy]

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It sucks but if you want to play in an "Alternate" uniform for the DBacks it's their spring training/BP jerseys from last year with the black pipe going down the sides and the old red batting helmet with black diamondback.

Also for the Pirates, if you play in their alternate uniforms and one of the players has high socks, he'll wear stirrup socks instead.

[MythicalGnome]

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Seems weird. I remember last year (and possibly this year, idk) the Astros had their warmup jerseys set for spring training as well as certain regular season games.




Obviously I'm no dev and really my only reasonings for saying/questioning anything about jerseys is from a consumer standpoint, but I just have to question the way jerseys are implemented. I remember the show's first year on ps4, it was stated that the ps3 could run somewhere around 20-30 different crowd models, while the ps4 could run potentially up to a thousand. Yet jersey file sizes are too big to up the number from machines released 10 years ago. They implemented PBR this year and gave literally every part of a ballpark a surface type that takes in and reflects sunlight in a magnitude of different ways, but jersey file sizes are too big. They added closed roofs, but jersey files are too big. I'm assuming some of that has to do with jerseys flowing and fitting a movable object's body, idk.

Its just weird to me. SCEA have been one of the greatest dev teams from all standpoints over the years and theyve accomplished a lot of things that many thought were impossible, I feel like thats where the frustration with jerseys comes from because out of everything we have been gifted with, it seems hard to believe that jerseys are their kryptonite. I really hope they do some deep research for future games because in terms of variety and accuracy, its the only true weakness of this game visually. The fact that jersey numbers still hang too low after at least 5 years of complaints is the part that worries me. If they hang too low for every team and the excuse is the same layout is used for every team, i dont see where the issue is if it affects every jersey.

All I can come up with is that the new players and models and whatever else are nearing ready to go, as in for 17.

If the template issue is not fixed for 17 we have some serious issues that need immediate support. They have a super nice base and foundation to work from here. The next year will be grueling but no way it is as bad as working from nothing like 14.

They have time for player model improvements next year and we should all hope jerseys are finally fixed and more accurate. They have done a pretty good job but yes it has been oh so slow.

I still cannot believe they finally got the stripe on the Twins road jerseys. It took so long but it finally happened.

[dran1984]

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Add the Giants to the list of teams going with matte helmets. The Orioles may be rolling the matte helmets out soon as well.

Edit : Add the Rockies to the list as well

[ramspeedkill]

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do they update unis throughout the year?

[dran1984]

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do they update unis throughout the year?

No they don't

[sydrogerdavid]

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Toronto is going to be wearing white panel caps a whole lot more this year. I guess the throwback caps could be a good replacement, but are they in the game? I don't remember, they should be.

[dran1984]

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Add the Giants to the list of teams going with matte helmets. The Orioles may be rolling the matte helmets out soon as well.

Edit : Add the Rockies to the list as well

Annoying how all these teams are introducing these on opening day and not in the offseason

[bwburke94]

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Twins away jersey NOB lettering should have red outlining. This change is in the style guide according to Paul Lukas.

[Cman9]

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Add the Giants to the list of teams going with matte helmets. The Orioles may be rolling the matte helmets out soon as well.

Edit : Add the Rockies to the list as well

I seen Adam Jones wear a matte helmet in spring training and thought it looked awesome! Seen none worn on opening day unfortunately.

[dran1984]

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I seen Adam Jones wear a matte helmet in spring training and thought it looked awesome! Seen none worn on opening day unfortunately.

Yea, Schoop also wore one for one game I saw in ST. I wonder how the home helmet would look in the matte style. The helmets they had the matte finish in in ST was the road helmet.