MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

[Dirty_D_]

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What does an A prospect along with Porcello (83ovr 2.60ERA 0.83WHIP) and Sandoval get me in terms of Outfielders? What team would accept a trade like that and for what kind of player.
This trade is really to get rid of Sandoval cuz I need the cap space, but I'm adding an A and a pitcher to just get a decent player in return.
But you let me know please.
Thanks

Nothing to be short. Why would any team ( playoff contender or not ) take on Sandoval's deal 4 years 78 million not to mention Porcello just inked his 4 year 82.5 million dollar deal this offseason, we're talking about taking in 160 million with half belonging to a extremely negative player+contract.

IMO i can be wrong and someone would love to take on this burden. Maybe the other guys have some better info the I do.


PS. Gonna pull off the Harvey to Boston trade at the deadline and it looks like I may go for Bogarts because JBJ is tearing it up, so I think what AC said would make more sense due to Mets having no infield depth.

Jackie Bradley Jr .318 17 HR 48 RBI ( all-star break )

[pootytang]

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Pineda had a 3.5 WAR last season and Odorizzi had a 2.9 so that is a start to crush that. Pineda is 27 as opposed to the other two being 26 so we really can't make age an issue. ERA and wins don't help us, we have to look at SIERA and FIP.

Pineda: SIERA- 3.09 FIP- 3.34 xFIP- 2.95
Odorizi: SIERA- 3.90 FIP- 3.61 xFIP- 3.96
Smyly: SIERA- 3.25 FIP- 3.91 xFIP-3.47

As you can see, Pineda outpreformed both Odorizzi and Smyly in peripherals. The Trop is pretty pitcher friendly, while we all know Yankee Stadium and their short porch is not. I know you're a rays fan, so its hard to separate that, but the basic numbers do lean Pineda as the best of the 3.

You're using fwar I think where as I'm using bwar. The Trop is seen less and less as pitcher friendly, more neutral than anything (17th and 15th in park factor the last 2 years)

Nothing to do with me being a Rays fan, Pineda just doesn't have the value Odorizzi or Smyly has. The Cubs would never choose him given the choice of the three.

EDIT: Also a year in age difference is nothing to scoff it. The more important factor however is how long each player is under team control.

[MindBeats]

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Nothing to be short. Why would any team ( playoff contender or not ) take on Sandoval's deal 4 years 78 million not to mention Porcello just inked his 4 year 82.5 million dollar deal this offseason, we're talking about taking in 160 million with half belonging to a extremely negative player+contract.

IMO i can be wrong and someone would love to take on this burden. Maybe the other guys have some better info the I do.


PS. Gonna pull off the Harvey to Boston trade at the deadline and it looks like I may go for Bogarts because JBJ is tearing it up, so I think what AC said would make more sense due to Mets having no infield depth.

Jackie Bradley Jr .318 17 HR 48 RBI ( all-star break )

Yeah actually I wanted to trade away Sandoval just to make space for the Harvey trade :P
Granderson and Harvey are 25M and I cant even make the trade cuz it wont let me. Id be -14M in cap.
So, with that in mind, how can I open space for the Harvey trade?

[kenp86]

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Nothing to be short. Why would any team ( playoff contender or not ) take on Sandoval's deal 4 years 78 million not to mention Porcello just inked his 4 year 82.5 million dollar deal this offseason, we're talking about taking in 160 million with half belonging to a extremely negative player+contract.

IMO i can be wrong and someone would love to take on this burden. Maybe the other guys have some better info the I do.


PS. Gonna pull off the Harvey to Boston trade at the deadline and it looks like I may go for Bogarts because JBJ is tearing it up, so I think what AC said would make more sense due to Mets having no infield depth.

Jackie Bradley Jr .318 17 HR 48 RBI ( all-star break )

Boston won't trade X for Harvey. X is their future. You're taking their future MI for probably the next 10+ years in Moncada and X. Not realistic at all but hey, your game.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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You're using fwar I think where as I'm using bwar. The Trop is seen less and less as pitcher friendly, more neutral than anything (17th and 15th in park factor the last 2 years)

Nothing to do with me being a Rays fan, Pineda just doesn't have the value Odorizzi or Smyly has. The Cubs would never choose him given the choice of the three.

EDIT: Also a year in age difference is nothing to scoff it. The more important factor however is how long each player is under team control.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor current park factors. The Trop is one of the best for pitchers. You can ignore the peripherals if you want but it's an explanation on the players values. By your logic Julio Teheran would get Baez plus Soler plus more because he is 24, has at least one season over 3 WAR and he has team control past 2020 on the cheap. There's more to pitcher evaluation than Era and wins

[pootytang]

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http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor current park factors. The Trop is one of the best for pitchers. You can ignore the peripherals if you want but it's an explanation on the players values. By your logic Julio Teheran would get Baez plus Soler plus more because he is 24, has at least one season over 3 WAR and he has team control past 2020 on the cheap. There's more to pitcher evaluation than Era and wins

Current park factors dude??? We're 40 games in to the season. I gave you a 324 game sample and you respond with a 40 game sample?

Not my evaluation at all. No one has mentioned ERA or wins a single time besides you. You're being ridiculous at this point.

Julio Teheran isn't worth more than Odorizzi either. Neither of them are worth Baez and Soler.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Current park factors dude??? We're 40 games in to the season. I gave you a 324 game sample and you respond with a 40 game sample?

Not my evaluation at all. No one has mentioned ERA or wins a single time besides you. You're being ridiculous at this point.

Julio Teheran isn't worth more than Odorizzi either. Neither of them are worth Baez and Soler.

I never once mentioned anyone's Era or wins. I brought up WAR, SIERA, FIP & xFIP. You're right that was a small sample, but even on full season Yankee Stadium is more of a hitters park by far. FIP is fielding independent pitcher, aka what the pitcher controls and it shows Pineda was the best of that group. I brought up Teheran because you made 1 year in age and 2 years of team control seem like a big deal. Smyly has had multiple shoulder issues which is bad for pitchers and Odorizzi has a bad k/9 rate. Some team value different aspects which is why AC said Pineda is the type the Cubs would like. He didn't say Pineda is better than Odorizzi and Smyly in a vacuum although you could make the case.

[pootytang]

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I never once mentioned anyone's Era or wins. I brought up WAR, SIERA, FIP & xFIP. You're right that was a small sample, but even on full season Yankee Stadium is more of a hitters park by far. FIP is fielding independent pitcher, aka what the pitcher controls and it shows Pineda was the best of that group. I brought up Teheran because you made 1 year in age and 2 years of team control seem like a big deal. Smyly has had multiple shoulder issues which is bad for pitchers and Odorizzi has a bad k/9 rate. Some team value different aspects which is why AC said Pineda is the type the Cubs would like. He didn't say Pineda is better than Odorizzi and Smyly in a vacuum although you could make the case.

I understand what FIP is dude. I just don't think it's the be all end all of stats. ERA+ has Odorizzi ahead by a mile and so does RAR and Bwar. I don't see how it could be any more clear that Odorizzi has more trade value than Pineda.

Odorizzi has an outstanding k/9 rate. 8.0 last year and 9.3 the year before.

This conversation is about overall trade value which is why i'm saying Odo>Smyly>Teheran>Pineda

[GamecocksLaw17]

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I understand what FIP is dude. I just don't think it's the be all end all of stats. ERA+ has Odorizzi ahead by a mile and so does RAR and Bwar. I don't see how it could be any more clear that Odorizzi has more trade value than Pineda.

Odorizzi has an outstanding k/9 rate. 8.0 last year and 9.3 the year before.

This conversation is about overall trade value which is why i'm saying Odo>Smyly>Teheran>Pineda

6.89 this year and 7.97 last year. That isnt good. Hes a fly ball pitcher, some teams don't like that. FIP isnt the be all stat, that why I included others. I think we've jammed the thread up enough. If you want to continue a discussion on this PM me and we can keep it going.

[pootytang]

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6.89 this year and 7.97 last year. That isnt good. Hes a fly ball pitcher, some teams don't like that. FIP isnt the be all stat, that why I included others. I think we've jammed the thread up enough. If you want to continue a discussion on this PM me and we can keep it going.

Stop using stats from this current season!!!! He's only pitched 50 innings!

You're right though. I'm done debating it as well.

Last point- Odorizzi is not a flyball pitcher, like I said, the last two years he's had 8.0 and 9.3 k/9. Both he and Smyly are worth more than Pineda.

[Dirty_D_]

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Side note in my Chise I see this trade took place at the rear deadline should I leave it or undo it ?!?

White sox get

Trevor Story

Rockies get

Carson Fulmer

Really don't know what to think with the white sox having Tim Anderson but they are looking to win now being the Rockies are out of it and the White sox are 4.5 games back of first place

In no way I'm I trying to trade for these guys. Just something I want the communities take on

[bravesfan1984]

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Would the Dodgers look to part with Trayce Thompson? If so, as the Braves, what would a return package look like? Also note that the Braves are willing to take on bad contracts as well for other purposes.

[RogueHominid]

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Would the Dodgers look to part with Trayce Thompson? If so, as the Braves, what would a return package look like? Also note that the Braves are willing to take on bad contracts as well for other purposes.

In year two he's shaping up to be a platoon player whose value is plus defense and plus contact/power vs. LHP. Vs. RHP, you likely will have a better option on the roster.

That said, the organizational depth at the field positions in the Dodgers' farm system is really poor. Thompson and Micah Johnson are the best looking positional prospects, and neither will be ready for big league duty until year three.

So if it were me, I would not part with a positional prospect. I'd try to trade some of my excess pitching talent for positional talent. But that's me, as a Dodgers user.

I extended Thompson for 2 years after season one in my franchise, but I don't see him as an everyday player on a championship-caliber team.

[k_mac]

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Side note in my Chise I see this trade took place at the rear deadline should I leave it or undo it ?!?

White sox get

Trevor Story

Rockies get

Carson Fulmer

Really don't know what to think with the white sox having Tim Anderson but they are looking to win now being the Rockies are out of it and the White sox are 4.5 games back of first place

In no way I'm I trying to trade for these guys. Just something I want the communities take on

I'd undo it, but that's just me.

If it was any other team getting Story, I'd say let it go, but the White Sox farm is barren. The needs match up on paper but it just doesn't make sense to me.

I think they'd give Anderson a shot over trading away their best prospect (subjective) that they just drafted T10 in last year's draft.

[k_mac]

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Would the Dodgers look to part with Trayce Thompson? If so, as the Braves, what would a return package look like? Also note that the Braves are willing to take on bad contracts as well for other purposes.

If you want to take on Carl Crawford's remaining 40 or so million, I'm sure there's a fit in there with Thompson where you don't have to give up much.

Crawford is a free agent after 2017 (I think).

Ethier would work too.