MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

[Tmizzle]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

I'm not very involved with the game IRL, so I have basically been relying on the trade logic in the game to go by. Thought it was pretty solid, but doesn't seem to be after this discussion.

That weird, usually people who play the show are very involved irl

[AC]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

The point of this thread is to know what is a fair price for a player or what is a fair trade. If the user wants to move Price, we just gotta tell him what is the fair price. Imagine that all of a sudden, the Sox GM decided he didn't want Price anymore, I'm sure he'd be looking out to see what he could get aswell. You gotta see this as if the real Sox GM was fired, and the user was signed to replace him. This new GM (user) has other ideas and should be let known what his players are worth if he wants to trade them. Idk, that's just me

The point of this thread is to provide input on trades. If you want to give him a valuation on Price that's fine but someone is more than welcome to provide input on the realism aspect as well.

[Dirty_D_]

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They would look to trade ANY OTHER outfielder before they trade Nomar Mazara. The kid is gonna be a main stay in this league for years to come IMO. You would need to seriously overpay to get him he's tearing the cover off the ball.

Oh a side note would this happen ?* In year 2 * 18-10 at the beginning of May.

Mets get

Bryan Mitchell ( 1-0 20 IP 8 BB 24 SO 5.40 ERA 1.50 WHIP )
Jacob Lindgren ( 2-0 9.2 IP 2 BB 6 SO 0.00 ERA 0.72 WHIP )

Yankees get

Rafael Montero (would become there 5th starter due to injures)
0-0 4.1 IP 2 BB 3 SO 0.00 ERA 0.92 WHIP
Hansel Robles (replaces Mitchell in long relief or spot start role)
1-1 13 IP 7 BB 14 SO 3.46 ERA 1.62 Whip
Gavin Cecchini
82 AB 3 HR 9 RBI 0 SB .274 AVG
or
Dilson Herrera
89 AB 2 HR 12 RBI 0 SB .302 AVG
(Add depth to their infield farm)

What was the deal?

This was the deal

[seasprite]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

That weird, usually people who play the show are very involved irl

It's the best sports game on the market.......

[kenp86]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

I'm not very involved with the game IRL, so I have basically been relying on the trade logic in the game to go by. Thought it was pretty solid, but doesn't seem to be after this discussion.

Reason were saying unrealistic is this. Teheran is at best a #2/#3 pitcher in the rotation. Mazara is already irl a monster. Going to have 10-15 year career with monster power numbers. Has the potential to be a Harper/Stanton-esque type of player. Teams just don't trade those type of players for a #2/#3 starter.

Like T said, if you're happy with it, that's what matters. Got a great player and power will be unreal for you. For future reference, trade logic is way off in the game

[Scrapps]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

Thanks for your input, but I wouldn't have done it if everyone was like it was a crazy trade. I do thank you for your post though.

It's a crazy trade. The Rangers front office would hang up on the Braves.

[seasprite]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

Anyone else on my roster that I could "give away" to make it more realistic? Have a lot of great pitching prospects


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[Nulap]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

It's a crazy trade. The Rangers front office would hang up on the Braves.

And then the Rangers fan base would hang the front office.

[k_mac]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

Reason were saying unrealistic is this. Teheran is at best a #2/#3 pitcher in the rotation. Mazara is already irl a monster. Going to have 10-15 year career with monster power numbers. Has the potential to be a Harper/Stanton-esque type of player. Teams just don't trade those type of players for a #2/#3 starter.

Harper and Stanton comps for a guy with 150 major league at-bats, really? I would have loved to see your views on Trevor Story during the first or second week of the season.

Nobody is guaranteed 10-15 years in the bigs, not even Trout and Harper. All it takes is one injury and you go from being a generational type of bat to a guy who has a mega-contract and can barely stay above the Mendoza line (look at Albert Pujols). Things happen in baseball, nothing is a guarantee. Nobody can say for sure how many years this guy is going to be productive, throwing something like that in here is just silly given the factors.

I'm not arguing against Mazara being a very solid major league player, he definitely has the tools to do that.. But comparing him to Stanton and Harper after 150 major league at-bats just doesn't sit well with me. I definitely think there's some recency bias going on.

That being said, I think if Shelby Miller can fetch Dansby Swanson + Aaron Blair + Ender Enciarte, Julio Teherán could be worth Mazara if he is pitching well.

Mazara isn't some sort of untouchable demigod. That's actually very far from the worst trade proposal I've seen in here and he's getting unnecessarily roasted.

[Scrapps]

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Harper and Stanton comps for a guy with 150 major league at-bats, really? I would have loved to see your views on Trevor Story during the first or second week of the season.

Nobody is guaranteed 10-15 years in the bigs, not even Trout and Harper. All it takes is one injury and you go from being a generational type of bat to a guy who has a mega-contract and can barely stay above the Mendoza line (look at Albert Pujols). Things happen in baseball, nothing is a guarantee. Nobody can say for sure how many years this guy is going to be productive, throwing something like that in here is just silly given the factors.

I'm not arguing against Mazara being a very solid major league player, he definitely has the tools to do that.. But comparing him to Stanton and Harper after 150 major league at-bats just doesn't sit well with me. I definitely think there's some recency bias going on.

That being said, I think if Shelby Miller can fetch Dansby Swanson + Aaron Blair + Ender Enciarte, Julio Teherán could be worth Mazara if he is pitching well.

Mazara isn't some sort of untouchable demigod. That's actually very far from the worst trade proposal I've seen in here and he's getting unnecessarily roasted.

While I agree that the Harper/Stanton comparisons are a tad much, as well as premature. In no universe, would the Rangers even consider trading Mazara straight up for Teheran (#2/3 starter). He turned 21 less than a month ago, and is currently hitting .320 with 8 hr's, and 21 rbi's. If Texas were to ever consider trading Mazara for pitching, they could do much, much better than Teheran.

[k_mac]

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While I agree that the Harper/Stanton comparisons are a tad much, as well as premature. In no universe, would the Rangers even consider trading Mazara straight up for Teheran (#2/3 starter). He turned 21 less than a month ago, and is currently hitting .320 with 8 hr's, and 21 rbi's. If Texas were to ever consider trading Mazara for pitching, they could do much, much better than Teheran.

In a universe where Teheran is pitching much better than himself irl? In a universe where Mazara isn't hitting out of his mind in the bigs. Those are both two very large possibilities in a show franchise. There are absolutely possibilities where this could work. Mazara is due for some regression, and if that doesn't happen I'll eat my words.

Trust me, I'm not trying to say that I'd do a Mazara/Teheran swap, but look at the value of young, cost controlled pitchers on the market today. You're right, Julio Teheran is not a number 1 starter, but Mazara couldn't get a #1 with 4 years of control by himself.

The Diamondbacks overpaid for Miller, and while that might have been a bit of desperation, they directly influenced the value of every other pitcher in the Miller class (I don't think he's very good) and above. If the Braves trade Teheran, they're going to get a haul. Just like someone is going to overpay for Sonny Gray, probably one of the Rays pitchers, maybe a Cleveland starter, etc.

Young pitchers with team control are at a premium right now, and it doesn't matter what you and I think, major league front offices know that's how the market is operating right now.

[InTheoWeTrust]

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Looking to rebuild with the Yankees and go for a younger team. I didn't see a valuation spreadsheet like in years past. Would somebody be able to give me some starting points on guys like Beltran & McCann and the 3 big bullpen guys? Thanks everyone.

[Dirty_D_]

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Looking to rebuild with the Yankees and go for a younger team. I didn't see a valuation spreadsheet like in years past. Would somebody be able to give me some starting points on guys like Beltran & McCann and the 3 big bullpen guys? Thanks everyone.

See what other guys think but this should get you off on the right track.

New York Yankees Get: 3B/OF Joey Gallo, RHP Jonathan Hernandez and RHP Luis Ortiz

Texas Rangers Get: LHP Aroldis Chapman and C Brian McCann


Why It Makes Sense for New York

This deal, which brings the Yankees a pair of top-100 prospects in Gallo and Luis Ortiz, per MLB.com, works for them on multiple levels.

First, it would enable them to get younger. The team's top catching prospect, 23-year-old Gary Sanchez, has nothing left to prove in the minors and would get to take over behind the plate. Gallo, 22, whose left-handed swing looks tailor-made for Yankee Stadium, can split time with Chase Headley at third base if not replace him completely.
Ortiz, 20, has a higher ceiling than the 19-year-old Jonathan Hernandez, but both project to be solid mid-rotation arms, with Ortiz having the potential to become a good No. 2 starter in the big leagues.

Why It Makes Sense for Texas

For a contending team in a wide-open division (a wide-open league, for that matter) that needs a catcher and a closer, you can't do much better than McCann and Chapman.

Giving up Gallo and Ortiz stings, but the Rangers can afford to part with both. Gallo is blocked at third base by Adrian Beltre and in the outfield corners by a slew of players, while Texas still has high-upside pitching prospects like Dillon Tate, Chi Chi Gonzalez, Mike Matuella and Brett Martin in the system.


Last but not least Beltran is about worthless I think a few pages back someone said maybe he can pull in a mid to high C prospect and I don't see the Yankees trading all three back of the bullpen guys but Chapman will be the one to go IMO

[k_mac]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

Looking to rebuild with the Yankees and go for a younger team. I didn't see a valuation spreadsheet like in years past. Would somebody be able to give me some starting points on guys like Beltran & McCann and the 3 big bullpen guys? Thanks everyone.

No spreadsheet this year, you are correct. Here's a few landing spots for those guys..

McCann: Rangers, any other team with an injured catcher.

Beltran: Royals, if you take back Morales' 9MM salary that would open up the DH spot for Beltran and you could probably get a better prospect back than just him on his own (essentially eating money). Still, a near 40 year old rental Beltran isn't worth a bunch.

Chapman: Any team that is contending at the deadline in need of a closer who throws 100MPH lol. Tigers would be interesting if they're contending. Same goes for the Diamondbacks or Mariners. If you want to watch the NL burn, send him to the Giants.

Miller: Cubs. They have the pieces and need a reliable lefty arm out of the bullpen in late-game situations. Teams interested in Chapman would also fit here, I just like the Cubs fit for Miller.

Betances: Same scenario as Chapman, honestly. Could close games pretty much anywhere. I'd keep him if I were you (especially if you're getting rid of the other two), but that's just my .02.

[Tmizzle]

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Looking to rebuild with the Yankees and go for a younger team. I didn't see a valuation spreadsheet like in years past. Would somebody be able to give me some starting points on guys like Beltran & McCann and the 3 big bullpen guys? Thanks everyone.

Trading Beltran could net you a Single-A player or anyone easily with C potential, anything else after that may be a reach. The only teams I could see him going to is a DH needy team.

McCann could go to anyone who is in need of a catcher. Mariners and Rays are the first two who come to mind as well as the Rangers. You could possibly land a B level prospect with McCann with the right suitor.

The big bullpen 3 is where you can land some solid prospects. Last year the Orioles traded E-Rod who was their 3rd best pitching prospect for Miller who has B potential so that could be the haul you get for Miller. Chapman could bring you more but the biggest prize would be dealing Belances. He is under team control and very young. You could get some solid prospects out of it.