MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

[NothingTrivial]

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I don't think it's so much his value fell off, but polanco has 3 more years of control that's even with Teheran. I don't see how it's fair to make them pay Hectors salary and give up 2 prospects for the privilege of swapping the 2 main pieces.

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[adamj2281]

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Yeah, I think the issue is Olivera, he's toxic at this point, and the Pirates are too small of a market, and organizationally would not take on an Olivera.

I think it's probably smarter to trade Markakis to the Indians, Royals, or some contending team who can afford him and get a decent B prospect back, maybe a couple of C's.

Then if possible, trade Teheran for a power bat (3B or OF). I've heard George Springer's name thrown about, but that would probably take additional prospect/s from ATL.

With Olivera, I would just bring him back August 1st and see what he can do, either at 3B or work him in every few days to LF. If he hits, keep him and figure out a position for him, it he doesn't, release him in the offseason (use the Markakis money to pay for it).

[Dirty_D_]

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I don't think it's so much his value fell off, but polanco has 3 more years of control that's even with Teheran. I don't see how it's fair to make them pay Hectors salary and give up 2 prospects for the privilege of swapping the 2 main pieces.

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Yeah, I think the issue is Olivera, he's toxic at this point, and the Pirates are too small of a market, and organizationally would not take on an Olivera.

I think it's probably smarter to trade Markakis to the Indians, Royals, or some contending team who can afford him and get a decent B prospect back, maybe a couple of C's.

Then if possible, trade Teheran for a power bat (3B or OF). I've heard George Springer's name thrown about, but that would probably take additional prospect/s from ATL.

With Olivera, I would just bring him back August 1st and see what he can do, either at 3B or work him in every few days to LF. If he hits, keep him and figure out a position for him, it he doesn't, release him in the offseason (use the Markakis money to pay for it).

Ok that's understandable, this is what we need in here more constructive criticism and suggestions rather them the old "trade won't happen" or a post to explain why the user is not getting a response.

[k_mac]

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You guys have a knack for contradicting your selves on here. Pages back the only way Braves was looking to trade Julio for a TOP BAT. What happened to his vaule ? Fell off the face of the map ? His cost control contract isn't good anymore ? He's not a number 2 ?

Then you guys get mad when people post trades after trades looking for help, but instead of helping (what you guys signed up for) you get mad then technically threatened the user that he/she will be ignored and/or passed over. And God forbid if your here longer then the user asking he questions or post more then they do, or you get the whole "well it's your game do as you please"

This used to be a fun way to bring up questions and suggestions but now it's just meh.

Nobody signed up for anything, much like nobody is forcing you to keep coming back. We're all here to either get a question answered or provide an opinion to help out. My suggestion is that if you don't like the way things are ran, try to do it better than all of us.

The Braves want a top bat for Teheran, why wouldn't they? He's a fine pitcher with team control, they don't have to trade him. Gamecocks laid out his reasoning (and it is correct) on why he thinks Polanco is way too much to give up for Teheran. If he just said "oh well that's too much.. Unrealistic." then I think you'd have a point, but he gave you solid reasoning. There are sides to every trade, and those sides have to be explored when determining if we think a trade could be feasible. A contending team isn't going to ship off a very young, talented, and super cheap outfielder for Julio Teheran. It doesn't make sense, not with the talent they have in the minors to send away.

So many trades get shot down because people come in with the expectation of acquiring top level talent for little to nothing "because the game will accept the trade." I'm not an expert, and have never claimed to be, but I know the difference between a good trade and a very lopsided one. It comes down to people coming in here for help, getting upset when we say the trade needs reworked, then just doing whatever. That's what agitates me the most, is when you go out of your way to help someone and get **** on. It's not that deep though, I never get actually upset about it, and I doubt anyone else gets "mad" either.

I think the contradictions you speak of come from taking segments out of context and trying to use them against us. There are ways to constructively criticize and improve the thread and its users, I just think you're going about it incorrectly.

[Dirty_D_]

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Nobody signed up for anything, much like nobody is forcing you to keep coming back. We're all here to either get a question answered or provide an opinion to help out. My suggestion is that if you don't like the way things are ran, try to do it better than all of us.

The Braves want a top bat for Teheran, why wouldn't they? He's a fine pitcher with team control, they don't have to trade him. Gamecocks laid out his reasoning (and it is correct) on why he thinks Polanco is way too much to give up for Teheran. If he just said "oh well that's too much.. Unrealistic." then I think you'd have a point, but he gave you solid reasoning. There are sides to every trade, and those sides have to be explored when determining if we think a trade could be feasible. A contending team isn't going to ship off a very young, talented, and super cheap outfielder for Julio Teheran. It doesn't make sense, not with the talent they have in the minors to send away.

So many trades get shot down because people come in with the expectation of acquiring top level talent for little to nothing "because the game will accept the trade." I'm not an expert, and have never claimed to be, but I know the difference between a good trade and a very lopsided one. It comes down to people coming in here for help, getting upset when we say the trade needs reworked, then just doing whatever. That's what agitates me the most, is when you go out of your way to help someone and get **** on. It's not that deep though, I never get actually upset about it, and I doubt anyone else gets "mad" either.

I think the contradictions you speak of come from taking segments out of context and trying to use them against us. There are ways to constructively criticize and improve the thread and its users, I just think you're going about it incorrectly.

I didn't me literally sign up to help but deciding to help and be known as one of the guys who does answer questions. No one is trying to do anything better just stating what I see going on. But act blind to it all and we move on and most of it is not help, help would be suggesting other players to trade of giving someone ground work to move forward. Pretty sure that's how it works in the GM offices in all major sports. Not just click and that's it.

Side note- you guys are so fast to write a response when it's not about a trade.

[nyqu1st]

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Looking to do an "off-season" trade.. wanting to move Travis Shaw for a mid-rotation starter (#2 or #3 guy) - what do I have to add to make it work and what are some names I can target? Looking for a RHP as I have a few lefties already.

[kenp86]

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Seen it a few posts ago, would Teheran and a B prospect work for Springer? Would then allow me to deal markakis at the deadline for a B prospect.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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I didn't me literally sign up to help but deciding to help and be known as one of the guys who does answer questions. No one is trying to do anything better just stating what I see going on. But act blind to it all and we move on and most of it is not help, help would be suggesting other players to trade of giving someone ground work to move forward. Pretty sure that's how it works in the GM offices in all major sports. Not just click and that's it.

Side note- you guys are so fast to write a response when it's not about a trade.

Since you want constructive criticism, I will explain how I go about trade values. I am big on using surplus value. One way to do so is to project the average WAR of a player over the remaining years of team control. You then do a math equation.


(WAR) multiplied by ($8 million dollars, this is one common value of 1 WAR, but some people will use a different number) multiplied by the remaining years of control.


This website helps explain surplus values although it is a touch dated. http://www.thepointofpittsburgh.com/...urplus-values/


The trade you suggested for example is:
I am including 2016 into the years of team control for Olivera, Teheran and Polanco


Pittsburgh
Gregory Polanco: 4x8x8=224-61.8= $194.2 million surplus value
Ke'bryan Hayes: Prospect #99= $11.6 million
Reese McGuire: Prospect #92= $11.6 million


Atlanta
Julio Teheran: 3x8x5=120-40.6=$79.4 million in surplus value
Hector Olivera: 0x8x5=0-32.5= -$32.5 million in surplus value


All of this means Pittsburgh would be trading away $217.4 million in surplus value while receiving $46.9 million in surplus value. I didn't say the trade wouldn't happen because I wanted to rain on anyone's parade, it was because the values are so far apart.


When you have a glut of MLB outfielders and a big prospect, you usually trade the prospect if the guys in the majors are good, and the Pirates have arguably the best OF in baseball. Fangraphs is a great place to go to find out how players are performing, and to help get an idea of where they stack up.


Also, people on here choose to be on here and they can answer as quickly or slowly as they want. Sometimes I am bored and answer everyone's questions, and sometimes I am busy and completely ignore this forum for days at a time. No one here is paid we all do it for fun so there's no real need to take shots at someone if you disagree with them. As far as the "threat" I think it was MindBeats, and we just let him know about bumping, one of the first rules is not to do that, once he realized, he no longer did it, and he later asked a question which had multiple users respond with help.

[Bard]

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Polanco >>> Teheran not sure why the Pirates would do that... and then add prospects then on top of it all take on a contract.

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I'll cut off the rest of my post since everyone else has touched up on it haha.

[NothingTrivial]

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So what about a deal involving Mcguire. What should be added besides him to make it an even trade.

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[WaitTilNextYear]

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Some of you guys might get better responses if you took the time to work in some actual game playing along with the constant wheeling and dealing. Space out your requests a little instead of going hard at the transactions 9-5 every day.


EDIT: I know I usually gravitate toward answering requests that are all about realism and for someone who's already thought about it themselves a bit. Not just rearranging deck chairs for the fun of it.

[Dirty_D_]

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Since you want constructive criticism, I will explain how I go about trade values. I am big on using surplus value. One way to do so is to project the average WAR of a player over the remaining years of team control. You then do a math equation.


(WAR) multiplied by ($8 million dollars, this is one common value of 1 WAR, but some people will use a different number) multiplied by the remaining years of control.


This website helps explain surplus values although it is a touch dated. http://www.thepointofpittsburgh.com/...urplus-values/


The trade you suggested for example is:
I am including 2016 into the years of team control for Olivera, Teheran and Polanco


Pittsburgh
Gregory Polanco: 4x8x8=224-61.8= $194.2 million surplus value
Ke'bryan Hayes: Prospect #99= $11.6 million
Reese McGuire: Prospect #92= $11.6 million


Atlanta
Julio Teheran: 3x8x5=120-40.6=$79.4 million in surplus value
Hector Olivera: 0x8x5=0-32.5= -$32.5 million in surplus value


All of this means Pittsburgh would be trading away $217.4 million in surplus value while receiving $46.9 million in surplus value. I didn't say the trade wouldn't happen because I wanted to rain on anyone's parade, it was because the values are so far apart.


When you have a glut of MLB outfielders and a big prospect, you usually trade the prospect if the guys in the majors are good, and the Pirates have arguably the best OF in baseball. Fangraphs is a great place to go to find out how players are performing, and to help get an idea of where they stack up.


Also, people on here choose to be on here and they can answer as quickly or slowly as they want. Sometimes I am bored and answer everyone's questions, and sometimes I am busy and completely ignore this forum for days at a time. No one here is paid we all do it for fun so there's no real need to take shots at someone if you disagree with them. As far as the "threat" I think it was MindBeats, and we just let him know about bumping, one of the first rules is not to do that, once he realized, he no longer did it, and he later asked a question which had multiple users respond with help.

I never knew anything like this was out there. I mean I have seen you mention it but didn't quite understand it but thanks for the break down and the link.

Does it factor in possibility of injury or decline ? or is it just a highly populated suggestion or guess of what the player will do ?

[GamecocksLaw17]

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I never knew anything like this was out there. I mean I have seen you mention it but didn't quite understand it but thanks for the break down and the link.

Does it factor in possibility of injury or decline ? or is it just a highly populated suggestion or guess of what the player will do ?

There is a factor of injury and poor play and break down and all of that. Neither player here has ever had a major injury, and they are both 25 so I don't see a real breakdown coming. I also try to look at what they have done, and how they are progressing. Polanco will in all likelihood have multiple seasons above a 4WAR in the next 7 years. He is currently on pace for approximately 7.2WAR this year. I use my own outlook and tend to be more towards the cautious side.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Looking to do an "off-season" trade.. wanting to move Travis Shaw for a mid-rotation starter (#2 or #3 guy) - what do I have to add to make it work and what are some names I can target? Looking for a RHP as I have a few lefties already.

I could be speaking out of school here (help me Sawx Nation), but I don't think Shaw is worth a mid-rotation SP unless it comes with a pretty bad contract. I think you'd be shopping in the back end bin using Shaw as bait. I mean, Shaw has some good stats IRL, but not sure he has the pedigree to sustain it or to convince another team that he will.

So what about a deal involving Mcguire. What should be added besides him to make it an even trade.

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What do you mean? Are you trading for him? Trading him away? Do you mean Reese McGuire? Where are you at in the season?

[NothingTrivial]

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What do you mean? Are you trading for him? Trading him away? Do you mean Reese McGuire? Where are you at in the season?

I'm playing as Atlanta. Yes, Reese Mcguire. Pittsburgh is 1.5, 3.5 games back respectively in mid to late July. Getting good production out out Cole and Liriano but nothing else. Taillon is out for the season and Glasnow has only logged 22 innings in the majors. Teheran has an Era in the high 2s, FIP in the low 3s.

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