MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

[Tmizzle]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

Souza was the centerpiece of the Will Myers trade so Rays would be reluctant to move him unless they're obviously on the winning side of the trade.

Rays wouldn't want Plouffe, although he has a good deal of value, and definitely not in exchange for Souza.

Any other cheap OF I could possible land? I'm usually good with trades but I just want to see what people think. Also, I thought Souza came over from the Nationals?

[GamecocksLaw17]

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So, not to beat a dead horse, but Boston's SP is suspect at best and they are 3 games out of AL East on July 11, so........

Braves Get:
Andrew Benintendi (A Propect I believe)
Blake Swihart (LF/C struggling in the game - AAA)
Michael Chavis (B- 3B prospect)

Red Sox Get:
Julio Teheran
Some RP help, either Ogando or Johnson, or frankly any of them except Vizcaino.

Obviously not the haul that Miller got, but Benintendi can slide into LF in 2017, with Incarte moving to RF, Smith in CF. Swihart is starting Catcher with Tyler Flowers spelling him.

Rio Ruiz will start at 3B in 2017 with Chavis possibly challenging him that year or more likely in 2018.

You've got to ignore the Miller deal. The Diamondbacks got fleeced so badly. Benintendi is a top 10ish prospect in baseball (Check out Keith Law's ranks). The package you listed is closer to what would get Sonny Gray than Teheran. All the Braves RP outside of Vizcaino are relatively worthless.

[Dirty_D_]

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Hey GamecocksLaw17 I've been playing around with some surplus value trying to get a better understanding. Most of it is plain and simple but then there are head scratchers, any help with this would be gratefully appreciated.

For example

Kyle Gibson - 29 year old pitcher with 4 more years of team control. Now IRL he's dealing with back issues and isn't having any success on the mound this year. (0-3 6.10 ERA) as in the game he's 4-7 4.10 ERA with a 1.80 WAR At the end of 2016. Now taking your surplus formula into affect (WAR)*(8mil)*(Years of control) = surplus value

Now Gibson has put up a WAR of 3.31 and 3.35 in 2014 + 2015. I can't see him putting those kid of numbers up again but more like in the low to mid 2's.

Kyle Gibson = 2*8*4 = 64mil in vaule

So my question would be is this correct. Looking back I saw that Julio has 79.9 mil in value and that seem a little to close in numbers for what the pitchers have to offer so did I mess up somewhere ?

[GamecocksLaw17]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

Hey GamecocksLaw17 I've been playing around with some surplus value trying to get a better understanding. Most of it is plain and simple but then there are head scratchers, any help with this would be gratefully appreciated.

For example

Kyle Gibson - 29 year old pitcher with 4 more years of team control. Now IRL he's dealing with back issues and isn't having any success on the mound this year. (0-3 6.10 ERA) as in the game he's 4-7 4.10 ERA with a 1.80 WAR At the end of 2016. Now taking your surplus formula into affect (WAR)*(8mil)*(Years of control) = surplus value

Now Gibson has put up a WAR of 3.31 and 3.35 in 2014 + 2015. I can't see him putting those kid of numbers up again but more like in the low to mid 2's.

Kyle Gibson = 2*8*4 = 64mil in vaule

So my question would be is this correct. Looking back I saw that Julio has 79.9 mil in value and that seem a little to close in numbers for what the pitchers have to offer so did I mess up somewhere ?

I sent you a PM. But to answer in short, you missed subtracting the value of his contract, and with injuries combined with age there's a good chance he averages less than 2WAR a season going forward.

[adamj2281]

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You've got to ignore the Miller deal. The Diamondbacks got fleeced so badly. Benintendi is a top 10ish prospect in baseball (Check out Keith Law's ranks). The package you listed is closer to what would get Sonny Gray than Teheran. All the Braves RP outside of Vizcaino are relatively worthless.

Yeah, I'll agree with the last sentence. I may sub out a RP, and throw in B-ish prospect - Braxton Davidson or Chris Ellis, etc.

[redsox4evur]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

So, not to beat a dead horse, but Boston's SP is suspect at best and they are 3 games out of AL East on July 11, so........



Braves Get:

Andrew Benintendi (A Propect I believe)

Blake Swihart (LF/C struggling in the game - AAA)

Michael Chavis (B- 3B prospect)



Red Sox Get:

Julio Teheran

Some RP help, either Ogando or Johnson, or frankly any of them except Vizcaino.



Obviously not the haul that Miller got, but Benintendi can slide into LF in 2017, with Incarte moving to RF, Smith in CF. Swihart is starting Catcher with Tyler Flowers spelling him.



Rio Ruiz will start at 3B in 2017 with Chavis possibly challenging him that year or more likely in 2018.

The Red Sox aren't moving that type of package for anyone that is not an ace. You would probably have to include a pretty good prospect in that deal if you wanted Benintendi. Like I said earlier I honestly think that Benintenidi is going to be the Sox's OD LF in 17z I think Swihart and Chavis for Teheran is more than enough. Especially if you plan on keeping Swihart behind the plate.


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[Dirty_D_]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

So, not to beat a dead horse, but Boston's SP is suspect at best and they are 3 games out of AL East on July 11, so........

Braves Get:
Andrew Benintendi (A Propect I believe)
Blake Swihart (LF/C struggling in the game - AAA)
Michael Chavis (B- 3B prospect)

Red Sox Get:
Julio Teheran
Some RP help, either Ogando or Johnson, or frankly any of them except Vizcaino.

Obviously not the haul that Miller got, but Benintendi can slide into LF in 2017, with Incarte moving to RF, Smith in CF. Swihart is starting Catcher with Tyler Flowers spelling him.

Rio Ruiz will start at 3B in 2017 with Chavis possibly challenging him that year or more likely in 2018.

You've got to ignore the Miller deal. The Diamondbacks got fleeced so badly. Benintendi is a top 10ish prospect in baseball (Check out Keith Law's ranks). The package you listed is closer to what would get Sonny Gray than Teheran. All the Braves RP outside of Vizcaino are relatively worthless.

The Red Sox aren't moving that type of package for anyone that is not an ace. You would probably have to include a pretty good prospect in that deal if you wanted Benintendi. Like I said earlier I honestly think that Benintenidi is going to be the Sox's OD LF in 17z I think Swihart and Chavis for Teheran is more than enough. Especially if you plan on keeping Swihart behind the plate.


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You guys do need to factor in the Braves GM is doing what he gets paid to do on a rebuilding team. He was able to get high return on a trade chip. lol now that's whether he sold the Diamondbacks on how great member can be or like you said DBacks GM got fleeced.


** Point was he may be able to get a team to over pay for Teheran.

[redsox4evur]

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You guys do need to factor in the Braves GM is doing what he gets paid to do on a rebuilding team. He was able to get high return on a trade chip. lol now that's whether he sold the Diamondbacks on how great member can be or like you said DBacks GM got fleeced.





** Point was he may be able to get a team to over pay for Teheran.

Yea he pulled one over on the DBacks...everyone and their grandmother is aware of that. But Dembrowski isn't the guy to overpay for a player like Teheran. He would overpay for Sale, Gray, Archer, etc.


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[Bard]

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Just a Red Sox fans two cents.

We would never deal someone like Benintendi for Julio Teheran when we all think he'll be starting at LF in 2017. Benintendi would be available for Jose Fernandez, Chris Sale, etc...

So I think Devers/Swihart + lottery would get someone like a Teheran.

[mundial1345]

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not really a trade but doing my Indians franchise and with the news of Marlon Byrds suspension what do you guys think I should do with him cut him or bury him on the singe A team or is there another option.

[nyqu1st]

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I could be speaking out of school here (help me Sawx Nation), but I don't think Shaw is worth a mid-rotation SP unless it comes with a pretty bad contract. I think you'd be shopping in the back end bin using Shaw as bait. I mean, Shaw has some good stats IRL, but not sure he has the pedigree to sustain it or to convince another team that he will.



What do you mean? Are you trading for him? Trading him away? Do you mean Reese McGuire? Where are you at in the season?

I think you misread it. I said "what else would I have to add?" As in, what other names should I pair with Shaw to land a #2 or #3 guy. I knew after I posted it that someone was going to get tied up with my poor choice of words. Anyways, Shaw + ?? to get Tyson Ross. Pads are out of it and I figure they'd like to get something out of him. I'm away from my game atm but Shaw is batting a hair over .300, 15+ HR playing fulltime as Panda is out for the year. I'd slot Holt in full time at 3B if I moved Shaw. Ross is also around 3.8 ERA and almost as many wins as losses.

[kenp86]

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I'm about 2 weeks out of the trade deadline. Tigers are out of it. What can I get for Miggy: 10/42/.326, Upton: 12/34/.217? Could I get a Trea Turner and Giolito from Washington who lead the East by .5 games over Mets? One of them? Or look at Houston who is 3 games back of my mariners and who have Tyler White starting and only hitting .256/6/22. There a deal for Bregman and Martes?

Could Upton go to Toronto for a Dwight Swith Jr, and Tellez/Reid Foley combo work?

[CBoller1331]

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Any other cheap OF I could possible land? I'm usually good with trades but I just want to see what people think. Also, I thought Souza came over from the Nationals?

It was a 3 team deal.

TB got Souza...maybe more, but he was the centerpiece

WAS got Joe Ross and Trea Turner from SD

SD got Myers and maybe more, cant remember

[redsox4evur]

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I'm about 2 weeks out of the trade deadline. Tigers are out of it. What can I get for Miggy: 10/42/.326, Upton: 12/34/.217? Could I get a Trea Turner and Giolito from Washington who lead the East by .5 games over Mets? One of them? Or look at Houston who is 3 games back of my mariners and who have Tyler White starting and only hitting .256/6/22. There a deal for Bregman and Martes?

Could Upton go to Toronto for a Dwight Swith Jr, and Tellez/Reid Foley combo work?

You would think that Miggy has a great value but he doesn't. He is signed for a long term deal that pays him somewhere around 27M per year, iirc. And he's in his 30's and NO ONE (outside of the Yankees ) would pay a 42 year old $30M.


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[kenp86]

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You would think that Miggy has a great value but he doesn't. He is signed for a long term deal that pays him somewhere around 27M per year, iirc. And he's in his 30's and NO ONE (outside of the Yankees ) would pay a 42 year old $30M.


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Would a Migy for Bird and Domingo German work? Bird batting .242/11/32.