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  • KBLover
    Hall Of Fame
    • Aug 2009
    • 12172

    #2971
    Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

    Originally posted by CBoller1331
    As someone who is nerdy enough to 1. Be interested in how to calculate projections 2. Incorporate these projections into my virtual reality....could you share how you calculated these to a uninformed fan?
    Let's take Heredia, since I mentioned him in the thread. He's had some games since then so it will be interesting to see how he looks now.

    -I found the league averages for my franchise. I was going to do AVG/OBP/SLG/ERA/FIP so that's what I calculated.

    So for my carryover (where Heredia is playing), the average ERA is 3.27 (yeah, it's become a pitcher paradise). I put average FIP the same though I should have figured it since FIP scales to leagueRA, not ERA, but it's usually very close. Even in the real game, MLB FIP was 3.96 in 2015...and so was ERA.

    -So then I find the number of innings he pitched and his weighted average performance. I use the most recent year and then, ideally, 1 year prior and then 2 years prior. If the player barely played, then I have to decide what to do. Maybe I ignore it and end up regressing more heavily (against his 1 or 2 years) or combine them (and treat it as one year), etc.

    Spoiler


    For weights, I weight current/most recent *5, Year-1 * 4, Year-2 * 3.

    For Heredia, I would use these for him:
    2022 (current year since midseason) - 79.1 IP, 2.50 ERA, 2.46 FIP
    2021 (1 year prior) - 136.2 IP, 3.36 ERA, 3.20 FIP
    2020 (2 years prior) - 154.2 IP, 3.32 ERA, 3.20 FIP

    That gives a weighted average of:
    117.3 IP, 2.99 ERA, 2.89 FIP


    -Then I decide how much league average to include in the projection. I have a spot on my spreadsheet where I can just put in how many PA/IP I want to use. That gives me some judgement room. A guy like Harper or Davis I might just put in what he has (because these guys have established their levels), for a guy like Heredia with just 117 weighted innings, he gets more regression, but not a ton.

    I have the innings set to 200 as a base (adjusted as needed - but 200 is fine for Heredia, imo).

    -I also need age adjustment. The base is 29 (as in Marcel) and the age adjust is .0045 (also like Marcel). However, since I can see the player development, I will "fudge" the player's age to match his in-game trajectory. If it's usual for his age, I just use his age. If he's rising faster or declining slower than usual, I'll "make him younger", and if the opposite is true, I'll "make him older".

    Spoiler


    -So then I'd take what Heredia's done, "fill in" the rest with league average innings, apply the age adjustment I want and come up with the result. For Heredia, I used his straight physical age since his progression is not unusual.

    projFIP = (((2.89 * 117.3) + ((200 - 117.3) * 3.27)) / 200 - ((29 - 27) * .0045)

    (I subtract age adjustment for pitchers since lower is better and younger = positive age adjustment.)

    That gives me a projection of 3.04 for his FIP. Against the 3.27 league average, that's a FIP- of 96.
    "Some people call it butterflies, but to him, it probably feels like pterodactyls in his stomach." --Plesac in MLB18

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    • KBLover
      Hall Of Fame
      • Aug 2009
      • 12172

      #2972
      Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

      Originally posted by AC
      I'd suggest regressing to the mean a little bit but it's work, lol. Check out this on the stabilization points. www.fangraphs.com/library/principles/sample-size/

      So you'd just substitute the difference in PA between the player/the point with league avg (or better, comparable players' avg) production.

      Will keep that link handy, thanks!

      Hmm...with those I probably could run something like "xFIP". I might have to do that and see, especially in my fresh MLB16 franchise since I have all the stats.

      Would be hard with the stats tracking in my carryover. My ace is awesome, but he's walked more than 46 people in his 1282 innings
      "Some people call it butterflies, but to him, it probably feels like pterodactyls in his stomach." --Plesac in MLB18

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      • Still2REal
        Rookie
        • Jun 2010
        • 370

        #2973
        Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

        Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
        FanGraphs is doing their annual Top 50 trade value series...here are links to what's come out so far....

        Players that just missed the cut

        Players 41-50

        Players 31-40

        Gallo was in the honorable mentions and Tyson Ross isn't on the list anywhere. Just some info to chew on.
        The same guy who wrote the trade values chart you just referenced, advocated for a Tyson ross and Derek Norris trade for Gallo before the season!

        http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-l...s-blockbuster/

        And most people agreed that it was a poor deal for the Padres due to Gallo's high bust potential and unprecedented strike out rate.

        Clearly this "Gallo is untouchable except for an Ace" sentiment is not a widely held belief. All this talk of "fleecing" the CPU

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        • Daonlyjmo7
          MVP
          • May 2014
          • 1052

          #2974
          Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

          Originally posted by Still2REal
          The same guy who wrote the trade values chart you just referenced, advocated for a Tyson ross and Derek Norris trade for Gallo before the season!

          http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-l...s-blockbuster/

          And most people agreed that it was a poor deal for the Padres due to Gallo's high bust potential and unprecedented strike out rate.

          Clearly this "Gallo is untouchable except for an Ace" sentiment is not a widely held belief. All this talk of "fleecing" the CPU
          So do you think that it would be too unrealistic to make that trade?
          Check out my dynasty: Rise to the Top: The Coaching Career of Joshua Morgan (NCAA 14)

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          • Daonlyjmo7
            MVP
            • May 2014
            • 1052

            #2975
            Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

            Originally posted by Still2REal
            The same guy who wrote the trade values chart you just referenced, advocated for a Tyson ross and Derek Norris trade for Gallo before the season!

            http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-l...s-blockbuster/

            And most people agreed that it was a poor deal for the Padres due to Gallo's high bust potential and unprecedented strike out rate.

            Clearly this "Gallo is untouchable except for an Ace" sentiment is not a widely held belief. All this talk of "fleecing" the CPU
            Or would it be more realistic to target Rafael Devers?
            Check out my dynasty: Rise to the Top: The Coaching Career of Joshua Morgan (NCAA 14)

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            • KBLover
              Hall Of Fame
              • Aug 2009
              • 12172

              #2976
              Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

              Originally posted by Still2REal

              Clearly this "Gallo is untouchable except for an Ace" sentiment is not a widely held belief. All this talk of "fleecing" the CPU

              All I know is I wouldn't trade:




              For less than an ace.

              For whatever warts he has irl, they don't seem to impact his growth in MLB16.
              "Some people call it butterflies, but to him, it probably feels like pterodactyls in his stomach." --Plesac in MLB18

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              • Daonlyjmo7
                MVP
                • May 2014
                • 1052

                #2977
                Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

                Originally posted by KBLover
                All I know is I wouldn't trade:




                For less than an ace.

                For whatever warts he has irl, they don't seem to impact his growth in MLB16.
                Then how did he end up on the Sox? Lol

                My only question is who is a more realistic target: Gallo or Devers?
                Check out my dynasty: Rise to the Top: The Coaching Career of Joshua Morgan (NCAA 14)

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                • GamecocksLaw17
                  MVP
                  • Jun 2015
                  • 1503

                  #2978
                  Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

                  Originally posted by Daonlyjmo7
                  Or would it be more realistic to target Rafael Devers?
                  You have asked the same question at least 5 times since 5pm today. Just give it some time. You have even gotten responses, you just didn't like them. Still2REal is on your side. If you want to go with his assessment do so. The rest of the forum seems to be against it.

                  You seem like you recently joined OS, or at least just started posting in this thread. Its a fun place to bounce ideas, and there are some people with fantastic baseball knowledge. But a lot of us wont respond when someone bumps their own post within an hour or two. I know it sucks to be patient, but a lot of us have things going on in our lives and it takes some time to post. Or even better some of us put a lot of research into a response so it takes time to compile the data

                  You just made my point for me. Between starting this response and posting it, you asked again. Some patience goes a long long way

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                  • KBLover
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 12172

                    #2979
                    Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

                    Originally posted by Daonlyjmo7
                    Then how did he end up on the Sox? Lol
                    Fantasy draft.
                    "Some people call it butterflies, but to him, it probably feels like pterodactyls in his stomach." --Plesac in MLB18

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                    • Daonlyjmo7
                      MVP
                      • May 2014
                      • 1052

                      #2980
                      Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

                      Originally posted by GamecocksLaw17
                      You have asked the same question at least 5 times since 5pm today. Just give it some time. You have even gotten responses, you just didn't like them. Still2REal is on your side. If you want to go with his assessment do so. The rest of the forum seems to be against it.

                      You seem like you recently joined OS, or at least just started posting in this thread. Its a fun place to bounce ideas, and there are some people with fantastic baseball knowledge. But a lot of us wont respond when someone bumps their own post within an hour or two. I know it sucks to be patient, but a lot of us have things going on in our lives and it takes some time to post. Or even better some of us put a lot of research into a response so it takes time to compile the data

                      You just made my point for me. Between starting this response and posting it, you asked again. Some patience goes a long long way
                      Alright lol my bad.
                      Check out my dynasty: Rise to the Top: The Coaching Career of Joshua Morgan (NCAA 14)

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                      • Daonlyjmo7
                        MVP
                        • May 2014
                        • 1052

                        #2981
                        Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

                        Originally posted by KBLover
                        Fantasy draft.
                        Ah. Got it.
                        Check out my dynasty: Rise to the Top: The Coaching Career of Joshua Morgan (NCAA 14)

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                        • Daonlyjmo7
                          MVP
                          • May 2014
                          • 1052

                          #2982
                          Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

                          I'm not necessarily an impatient person, but it's just one of those days where I have none. My bad guys.
                          Check out my dynasty: Rise to the Top: The Coaching Career of Joshua Morgan (NCAA 14)

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                          • KBLover
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 12172

                            #2983
                            Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

                            Originally posted by Daonlyjmo7
                            Or would it be more realistic to target Rafael Devers?

                            Devers would make more sense. I could see a team looking to compete now dealing a more raw prospect for a solid piece who could contribute now.

                            Devers (in game) seems more of a higher-risk, high-reward type player. Young enough to get there, but low enough to where he might not.

                            Dealing that for a known quantity in an area of need that is quality, yeah I can see that more easily (fwiw).
                            "Some people call it butterflies, but to him, it probably feels like pterodactyls in his stomach." --Plesac in MLB18

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                            • Daonlyjmo7
                              MVP
                              • May 2014
                              • 1052

                              #2984
                              Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

                              Originally posted by CBoller1331
                              As someone who is nerdy enough to 1. Be interested in how to calculate projections 2. Incorporate these projections into my virtual reality....could you share how you calculated these to a uninformed fan?
                              I for one am not a big fan of projections based on computer formulas. There is no way for a computer to predict how someone will do in the future. The projection formulas use the same weights which assures they will never be accurate.
                              Check out my dynasty: Rise to the Top: The Coaching Career of Joshua Morgan (NCAA 14)

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                              • Still2REal
                                Rookie
                                • Jun 2010
                                • 370

                                #2985
                                Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

                                Originally posted by Daonlyjmo7
                                So do you think that it would be too unrealistic to make that trade?
                                I sure don't!

                                The same peoplele who say that's a poor trade, would have said "No way Phillies give away Hamels without getting Gallo or Brinson"; "No way Royals give up Myers for Shields and Wade Davis"; no way the Braves give up Swanson for Miller.

                                Your trade is just as good as those minus the Braves one. Really though, you don't need my validation or theirs. Deep down inside you know what reasonable. IRL there is no guarantee Gallo will progress like he does in the Show. That is probably coloring peoples feelings too.

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