MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

[Daonlyjmo7]

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Looking to deal Fernando Rodney to the Giants. This takes place at the start of the season. I was thinking about getting back a package of Chris Heston and Andrew Susac. I also considered replacing Heston for Ray Black. Which, if any, do you guys think are realistic?

Also, I am targeting either Wheeler from the Mets or Foltynewicz from the Braves. Do you guys see anything thag I could offer to get one of these two pitchers?

[cubsgocontinental23]

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Looking to deal Fernando Rodney to the Giants. This takes place at the start of the season. I was thinking about getting back a package of Chris Heston and Andrew Susac. I also considered replacing Heston for Ray Black. Which, if any, do you guys think are realistic?

Also, I am targeting either Wheeler from the Mets or Foltynewicz from the Braves. Do you guys see anything thag I could offer to get one of these two pitchers?

I don't think the Giants would need bullpen help unless they were having problems, so you would have to wait a couple months on that trade.

For the wheeler trade not many people are sure of his value right now coming off of injury so hes another possible wait and see.

Foltynewicz is a lottery ticket type guy.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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I don't think the Giants would need bullpen help unless they were having problems, so you would have to wait a couple months on that trade.

For the wheeler trade not many people are sure of his value right now coming off of injury so hes another possible wait and see.

Foltynewicz is a lottery ticket type guy.

Foltynewicz will take a little over a lottery ticket guy because even if he can't figure out the command enough to start he has the profile to be a valuable 8th/9th inning guy. Plus the Braves don't really have a reason to sell him while they find out if he can be a mainstay in their rotation.

[Daonlyjmo7]

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Do you guys think that is a fair price for Rodney though?

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Do you guys think that is a fair price for Rodney though?

No. He's 39 and he's changed teams 3 times in the last year. You're not likely to get a useful starting pitcher and catcher for that. Rodney had amazing stats this year and San Diego only got a low A ball lottery ticket. If somebody wanted him bad enough preseason they would've offered more than San Diego's $2MM guaranteed over 2 years to land him.

[crques]

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Going to start a Braves franchise with OSFM mid season roster. What would it take to get Valencia or Reddick, or even both from the A's?

[adamj2281]

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Going to start a Braves franchise with OSFM mid season roster. What would it take to get Valencia or Reddick, or even both from the A's?

I would just wait until the offseason and get Reddick as a FA.

[crques]

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I would just wait until the offseason and get Reddick as a FA.

Didn't realize he was a FA then. Thought he had one year left after this one Thanks.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Going to start a Braves franchise with OSFM mid season roster. What would it take to get Valencia or Reddick, or even both from the A's?

I would just wait until the offseason and get Reddick as a FA.

Didn't realize he was a FA then. Thought he had one year left after this one Thanks.

Couple of things to keep in mind.

1. Trading for Reddick will give you exclusive negotiating rights for a window after the World Series. This increases your chances that some other team won't sign him.

2. Trading for Reddick allows you to have him on your team this year. Kind of obvious, but something to consider.

That said, I don't see Oakland dealing Reddick in preseason because they need to have at least the illusion of contending. You could get him midseason factoring in his stats and that he's essentially a rental. Then you could resign him if you like what you see this season to a longer deal.

Valencia is in a similar boat. The A's need him to play 3B (what are their other options there?), but you could pick him up midseason.

[Still2REal]

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Padres don't have what it takes to get Gallo. IF Gallo gets traded it would be in a deal for a Fernandez/Sale type. Tyson Ross is good, but well below that 'elite' tier

I don't agree with this at all, especially if you consider the timing of the deal. Are you telling me that before this season - Gallo, who looked helpless at the plate in 15, would demand Fernandez and Sale level players? I think a Ross for Gallo trade would have been fairly reasonable, Profar for Ross could have been in play too.

While I agree that the Shelby Miller trade can't be used as a bench mark, the idea that any prospect that has proven nothing in MLB, is constantly injured, or is blocked at the mlb level is going to demand A+ level talent is equally myopic

[crques]

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Couple of things to keep in mind.

1. Trading for Reddick will give you exclusive negotiating rights for a window after the World Series. This increases your chances that some other team won't sign him.

2. Trading for Reddick allows you to have him on your team this year. Kind of obvious, but something to consider.

That said, I don't see Oakland dealing Reddick in preseason because they need to have at least the illusion of contending. You could get him midseason factoring in his stats and that he's essentially a rental. Then you could resign him if you like what you see this season to a longer deal.

Valencia is in a similar boat. The A's need him to play 3B (what are their other options there?), but you could pick him up midseason.

Thanks! Any ideas on what kind of deal could land me Cargo from Colorado?

[GamecocksLaw17]

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I don't agree with this at all, especially if you consider the timing of the deal. Are you telling me that before this season - Gallo, who looked helpless at the plate in 15, would demand Fernandez and Sale level players? I think a Ross for Gallo trade would have been fairly reasonable, Profar for Ross could have been in play too.

While I agree that the Shelby Miller trade can't be used as a bench mark, the idea that any prospect that has proven nothing in MLB, is constantly injured, or is blocked at the mlb level is going to demand A+ level talent is equally myopic

I don't know how many times I have to say it. 80 grade power doesn't get traded. If it will get traded it would be for a long term controlled piece or an ace. An 85 wRC+ as a 21 year old rookie is hardly helpless. I can give you examples of players who struggled their first 30 some games as a rookie, but most weren't 21 when they debuted. Gallo also has his k% at 28.9% in AAA this season, so it seems like there is improvement there.

You don't trade for what Gallo is right now. You trade for the value his bat will provide over the 6 years of team control. There is a very reasonable chance that those 6 years are substantially more valuable than 2 years of Ross.

Let's assume Ross would be a 4 WAR pitcher in 2016 and 2017. He's making $9.6 million in 2016 and if he was that successful he would bump over $15 million for 2017. So 2 years $25 to be conservative. (8*4*2=64-25=$39 million surplus value) That only leaves about $40 million in surplus which just doesn't get a top-10 prospect.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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I don't agree with this at all, especially if you consider the timing of the deal. Are you telling me that before this season - Gallo, who looked helpless at the plate in 15, would demand Fernandez and Sale level players? I think a Ross for Gallo trade would have been fairly reasonable, Profar for Ross could have been in play too.

While I agree that the Shelby Miller trade can't be used as a bench mark, the idea that any prospect that has proven nothing in MLB, is constantly injured, or is blocked at the mlb level is going to demand A+ level talent is equally myopic

Gallo isn't of equal value to Sale etc, but what people are saying is there's no reason to move him unless he's part of a package to get a player like that. Gallo has enough upside that you don't deal him for a so so pitcher that you could get for much cheaper.

Thanks! Any suggestions for a LF or 3B bat I may be able to grab at the start of the season then?

Look at free agents. Also look for teams that have major league depth at those positions you want. Trading you their only 3B or LF doesn't make sense, but some teams have backup options. If a team has 3-4 guys that are worthy of playing 3B/LF in the bigs, then they're a good candidate to do a deal with you.

[Still2REal]

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I don't know how many times I have to say it. 80 grade power doesn't get traded. If it will get traded it would be for a long term controlled piece or an ace. An 85 wRC+ as a 21 year old rookie is hardly helpless. I can give you examples of players who struggled their first 30 some games as a rookie, but most weren't 21 when they debuted. Gallo also has his k% at 28.9% in AAA this season, so it seems like there is improvement there.

You don't trade for what Gallo is right now. You trade for the value his bat will provide over the 6 years of team control. There is a very reasonable chance that those 6 years are substantially more valuable than 2 years of Ross.

Let's assume Ross would be a 4 WAR pitcher in 2016 and 2017. He's making $9.6 million in 2016 and if he was that successful he would bump over $15 million for 2017. So 2 years $25 to be conservative. That only leaves aboit $40 million I'm surplus which just doesn't get a top-10 prospect.

Doesn't get a top 10 prospect with 80 power or top 10 period?

Please tell me how the Rays got Wil Myers, one of the top prospects if not the top prospect it the game at the time, for 3 years of James Shields?

85 WRC might not look helpless but tell me the history of players with 45% k% kicking *** in the majors today. Obviously there is room for improvement, but Gallo isn't some sure fire prospect everyone raves about like Mike Trout or Bryce Harper.

Every year we hear these "xx would never trade xxx" and it happens, so why are we still acting like we can predict who will do what. Borderline trades happen. I'm only saying it's reasonable. Real life has proven it.

Gallo isn't of equal value to Sale etc, but what people are saying is there's no reason to move him unless he's part of a package to get a player like that. Gallo has enough upside that you don't deal him for a so so pitcher that you could get for much cheaper.

Ross straight up might not be the best example, but since I started with him lets look at the fact he went from 1-3-4 fWAR in the last 3 years before 16 started. He was a front line pitcher on the rise, who had 2 years of control and most likely a compensatory pick attached after that. Now that he's hurt anybody could say this would be a bad deal but hindsight is 20/20.

I agree, ideally you'd want the best package for Gallo, but I wouldn't have said the Rangers got fleeced if Daniels made the deal. Especially if you threw in another prospect like Renfroe or Guerra

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Doesn't get a top 10 prospect with 80 power or top 10 period?

Please tell me how the Rays got Wil Myers, one of the top prospects if not the top prospect it the game at the time, for 3 years of James Shields?

85 WRC might not look helpless but tell me the history of players with 45% k% kicking *** in the majors today. Obviously there is room for improvement, but Gallo isn't some sure fire prospect everyone raves about like Mike Trout or Bryce Harper.

Every year we hear these "xx would never trade xxx" and it happens, so why are we still acting like we can predict who will do what. Borderline trades happen. I'm only saying it's reasonable. Real life has proven it.



Ross straight up might not be the best example, but since I started with him lets look at the fact he went from 1-3-4 fWAR in the last 3 years before 16 started. He was a front line pitcher on the rise, who had 2 years of control and most likely a compensatory pick attached after that. Now that he's hurt anybody could say this would be a bad deal but hindsight is 20/20.

I agree, ideally you'd want the best package for Gallo, but I wouldn't have said the Rangers got fleeced if Daniels made the deal. Especially if you threw in another prospect like Renfroe or Guerra

I'm no math major but 3 years>2 years. The Royals also got 5 cheap years of Wade Davis. Renfroe doesn't so much since the Texas outfield is already stacked. If people disagree with me that's fine, but from a surplus value standpoint Ross can't get Gallo. Like I said there's a very easy argument that 6 years of Gallo is more valuable than 2 years of Ross.

And I'm too lazy to go back and look but if this suggested trade is in season were talking 1.5 years of Ross which lowers the value more