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  • Tmizzle
    Rookie
    • Aug 2012
    • 370

    #3526
    Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

    So I am about to hit the all star break and that means the trades I have proposed may come true very soon. I have two deals I am strongly considering and then there are another two that I am about 50-50 on. As of right now I am 45-31 with the twins and sit 3.5 games ahead of the White Sox and Indians for first place. The White Sox have been on a HUGE surge lately before the break and have won 13 straight. I have had a very bad month in June as I have gone 12-11 in June and it will go down as my first month that I have more losses than wins. I have an important three game series with the White Sox coming up. So we will break down the two deals I am going to attempt to pull and the other two.

    1. Devin Mesoraco AB 51 R 9 HR 6 RBI 17 AVG .353 Triple-A Rehab Numbers
    for
    Kohl Stewart W-L 6-1 IP 92.2 So 73 BB 40 ERA 2.45 WHIP 1.45 Double-A Stats
    Engelb Vielma AB 143 R 26 HR 4 RBI 19 SB 15 AVG .288 Double-A Stats

    Now at first glance you are probably wondering why the heck Mesoraco is in Triple-A. Well just like real life, in my season he got hurt. He suffered an injury in pre-season and has missed all of the season so far. He is finally in his rehab starts as we speak and if not for that, I would have made this deal already. Taking on a player who has been hurt all year is a big risk and especially giving up an arm like Stewarts for him makes it even more painful. But if healthy, Mesoraco may bargain for more but he isn't so we will not worry about that. Catcher is the position I lack the most and it would be the biggest improvement. I have around a week and a half before I can make the deal and once he is off the DL, I will pull the trigger. My current catchers stand at
    Kurt Suzuki HR 0 RBI 3 AVG .134 OBP .194 SLG .149 OPS .344 WAR -0.24
    John Ryan Murphy HR 3 RBI 9 AVG .184 OBP .181 SLG .272 OPS .453 WAR -0.88

    2. Will Smith W-L 2-5 IP 34 ERA 3.44 SV 15 WHIP 1.53 WAR 0.33
    for
    Jake Reed

    I have not fully decided who I would give up yet but Jake Reed has moved up the ranks of my minors quickly this season. as of right now he stands at 3-0 with a 1.90 ERA through 5 starts at the Triple-A level after dominating the Double-A level, winning minor league player of the month twice and making the minor league all star game. Will Smith is having a decent season but with 7 blown saves, he is no longer the closer for the last place Brewers as Jeremy Jeffress is a perfect 9/9 in save opportunists and supporting a .94 ERA. Will Smith would be the bullpen lefty I have been trying to find all year after Fernando Abad, Johnny Venters and Nick Greenwood have all failed given the chances. Jake Reed will also give the Brewers another young starter since they lost Zach Davies because they DFA (Hahaha).

    Now the two trades I am thinking about doing but I am at 50-50

    Melvin Upton HR 5 RBI 21 SB 5 AVG .257 OBP .349 SLG .391 OPS .740 WAR 0.60
    for
    Wander Javier HR 4 RBI 26 SB 11 AVG .337 Single-A

    This trade could be straight textbook from real life. Upton got dealt for the Blue Jays 18th ranked prospect and I am willing to over pay with my 12th ranked prospect in Javier who is having a better minor league campaign than top prospect SS Nick Gordon. Melvin Upton would bring solid defense, some pop and speed to my OF and he would most likely step into the LF role as Oswaldo Arcia is having a tough year. Max Kepler since being called up has been a solid player but my OF is very young with Kepler 23, Souza 26, Buxton 22 and Arcia 24 and we need some veteran leadership if we want to make a playoff push. My LF duo in Kepler and Arcia is:

    Oswaldo Arcia HR 15 RBI 25 AVG .232 OBP .493 OPS .770 WAR 0.29
    Max Kepler HR 3 RBI 4 AVG .351 OBP .351 SLG .622 OPS .973 WAR 0.17 (Only played 10 games)

    My last possible trade is for Shelby Miller but I am still weighing the options there. Let me know what you guys think as for what I am giving up for these guys. I appreciate the feedback as many people PM me as well as message on here.
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    • Daonlyjmo7
      MVP
      • May 2014
      • 1052

      #3527
      Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

      Originally posted by kenp86
      Plouffe to Houston for Francis Martes?
      Plouffe to Miami for Josh Naylor?
      Plouffe to Mets for Dominic Smith?

      Dozier to Pittsburgh for Josh Bell and Austin Meadows?
      Dozier and Vargas to Tampa for Gillespie and Honeywell?

      Or any other ideas from you guys would be great
      It depends on how bad the teams need a 3B for Plouffe. Naylor is fair, but not Martes or SMith. Even then, Naylor is borderline. It only makes sense if they really have a need at the hot corner. You have to remember: you are making trades not just for yourself to get better but for the other team to get better as well.

      I'm sorry but the Dozier to Pittsburgh deal isn't even close. The Rays deal is closer, but again, it depends on their need at 2B.

      Maybe you could give us the stats of the players playing at 3B and 2B for the respective teams you wan't to trade with so we can get a better gauge on the fairness.
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      • GamecocksLaw17
        MVP
        • Jun 2015
        • 1503

        #3528
        Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

        Originally posted by KnickNation17
        I def get that I just wanted to get some new faces in my rotation. Seems like your a Cubs fan tho so maybe you help me out with this other proposal.. How would both teams feel about a Wheeler for Baez swap ? Both struggled during my first year in the franchise. Would that be fair and if not who would have to add more (I'm assuming the Mets )
        Baez is better than Wheeler. So like you suggested the Mets would need to add to it. I'm not sure what to add though. The Cubs are so deep they would probably rather give Baez and maybe more for an upper end pitcher than Wheeler is, even though he does have good potential, just already has TJ and has lost some service time because of it.

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        • KnickNation17
          Rookie
          • Feb 2012
          • 263

          #3529
          Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

          Originally posted by GamecocksLaw17
          Baez is better than Wheeler. So like you suggested the Mets would need to add to it. I'm not sure what to add though. The Cubs are so deep they would probably rather give Baez and maybe more for an upper end pitcher than Wheeler is, even though he does have good potential, just already has TJ and has lost some service time because of it.
          That makes sense. But I don't really do to many CPU trades so in my franchise if I don't move him he will probably stay on the Cubs. Just in terms of fairness what else in terms of potential of prospect (High B, Mid B, Low B, High C etc ) would I need to add ? I was thinking, maybe Montero who's MLB ready, Nimmo, Becerra, Cecchini ? Like how far apart would those teams be with that proposal on the table

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          • physicx
            Rookie
            • May 2014
            • 58

            #3530
            Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

            My Astros franchise is sitting in 2nd place in the AL West (52-49, 4.5 GB) behind Seattle (56-44) right now 2 days before trade deadline. What could I get to improve pitching or just in general? Thinking of dealing away Carlos Gomez and Tyler White. Here's their current lines:

            CF Carlos Gomez: .290/.327/.465, 9 HR, 35 RBI, 23 2B, 4 3B, 24 SB, .981 Fielding%, 2.90 WAR
            1B/3B Tyler White: .269/.287/.449, 10 HR, 32 RBI, 10 2B, 1 3B, .989 Fielding%, 13 E, 0.01 WAR

            For some reason, Gomez is hitting above .450 against RHP with like 8 HR and 30 RBI. Tyler White is the leader for ROTY in the AL. COMPLETE opposite from their RL selves I know.

            Maybe I could get something for Scott Feldman too?
            P Feldman: 14 GP, 4-2, 62 IP, 5.23 ERA, 1.37 WHIP, 43 K, 79 H, 11 HR, 0.27 WAR

            Any others yall think I could deal, just ask and I'll put up their stats. I'm using OSFM like most of yall so I'll assume our rosters and ratings are very similar.

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            • GamecocksLaw17
              MVP
              • Jun 2015
              • 1503

              #3531
              Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

              Originally posted by KnickNation17
              That makes sense. But I don't really do to many CPU trades so in my franchise if I don't move him he will probably stay on the Cubs. Just in terms of fairness what else in terms of potential of prospect (High B, Mid B, Low B, High C etc ) would I need to add ? I was thinking, maybe Montero who's MLB ready, Nimmo, Becerra, Cecchini ? Like how far apart would those teams be with that proposal on the table
              Yeah I mean we aren't talking Rosario or Smith, but someone like Nimmo might be "fair". I don't really believe in Nimmo's skill set but there are people smarter than me that do. So Wheeler plus a prospect from the Mets in the 3-6 range, but if you go from the lower end maybe add a lotto ticket too

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              • KnickNation17
                Rookie
                • Feb 2012
                • 263

                #3532
                Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

                Originally posted by GamecocksLaw17
                Yeah I mean we aren't talking Rosario or Smith, but someone like Nimmo might be "fair". I don't really believe in Nimmo's skill set but there are people smarter than me that do. So Wheeler plus a prospect from the Mets in the 3-6 range, but if you go from the lower end maybe add a lotto ticket too
                Alrighty thank you for your help. I appreciate it

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                • CBoller1331
                  It Appears I Blue Myself
                  • Dec 2013
                  • 3082

                  #3533
                  Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

                  Originally posted by KnickNation17
                  Alrighty thank you for your help. I appreciate it
                  If it's not too late, I don't think Nimmo is a great fit for the Cubs. Fair value...sure...but they already have a crowded outfield with Heyward in RF, Fowler in CF, and Schwarber/Soler/Almora/Bryant/Zobrist/Contreras/Szczur in LF. I think maybe taking on some combination (can help you with that based on who you like) of the bolded names (or maybe Happ/Torres) would be a better fit for Wheeler as you wouldn't have to give up anything else.

                  If your set on Baez, maybe offer Matz if you are willing to give him up and take a little more back from the Cubs.

                  These two teams don't match up quite as well trade wise since most of their top prospects have seen quite a bit of MLB playing time.
                  Last edited by CBoller1331; 07-27-2016, 11:09 PM.
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                  • Tmizzle
                    Rookie
                    • Aug 2012
                    • 370

                    #3534
                    Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

                    Originally posted by physicx
                    My Astros franchise is sitting in 2nd place in the AL West (52-49, 4.5 GB) behind Seattle (56-44) right now 2 days before trade deadline. What could I get to improve pitching or just in general? Thinking of dealing away Carlos Gomez and Tyler White. Here's their current lines:

                    CF Carlos Gomez: .290/.327/.465, 9 HR, 35 RBI, 23 2B, 4 3B, 24 SB, .981 Fielding%, 2.90 WAR
                    1B/3B Tyler White: .269/.287/.449, 10 HR, 32 RBI, 10 2B, 1 3B, .989 Fielding%, 13 E, 0.01 WAR

                    For some reason, Gomez is hitting above .450 against RHP with like 8 HR and 30 RBI. Tyler White is the leader for ROTY in the AL. COMPLETE opposite from their RL selves I know.

                    Maybe I could get something for Scott Feldman too?
                    P Feldman: 14 GP, 4-2, 62 IP, 5.23 ERA, 1.37 WHIP, 43 K, 79 H, 11 HR, 0.27 WAR

                    Any others yall think I could deal, just ask and I'll put up their stats. I'm using OSFM like most of yall so I'll assume our rosters and ratings are very similar.
                    If you are trying to win the division, I don't think trading two main pieces of your offense would help at all. What's your rotation look like?
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                    • GamecocksLaw17
                      MVP
                      • Jun 2015
                      • 1503

                      #3535
                      Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

                      Originally posted by CBoller1331
                      If it's not too late, I don't think Nimmo is a great fit for the Cubs. Fair value...sure...but they already have a crowded outfield with Heyward in RF, Fowler in CF, and Schwarber/Soler/Almora/Bryant/Zobrist/Contreras/Szczur in LF. I think maybe taking on some combination (can help you with that based on who you like) one of the bolded names (or maybe Happ/Torres) would be a better fit for Wheeler as you wouldn't have to give up anything else.

                      If your set on Baez, maybe offer Matz if you are willing to give him up and take a little more back from the Cubs.

                      These two teams don't match up quite as well trade wise since most of their top prospects have seen quite a bit of MLB playing time.
                      See I thought about saying Matz instead too but every time I look Matz gets hurt and that made me hesitate. I think he had a pretty substantial injury history in the minors. The Mets pitchers are so hard for me to judge because they're either ancient former PED users (Fat-tolo) injury risks (Wheeler, Harvey, Matz) or lights out aces (deGrom and Thor)

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                      • KBLover
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 12172

                        #3536
                        Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

                        Originally posted by GamecocksLaw17
                        See I thought about saying Matz instead too but every time I look Matz gets hurt and that made me hesitate. I think he had a pretty substantial injury history in the minors. The Mets pitchers are so hard for me to judge because they're either ancient former PED users (Fat-tolo) injury risks (Wheeler, Harvey, Matz) or lights out aces (deGrom and Thor)

                        What is his durability rating in the game? If that's not too low, I think he'll be fine in The Show.

                        I know, I know, irl, but I don't think injuries work the same way as they do irl. Players don't really have a "history" unless they have low durability ratings.
                        "Some people call it butterflies, but to him, it probably feels like pterodactyls in his stomach." --Plesac in MLB18

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                        • WaitTilNextYear
                          Go Cubs Go
                          • Mar 2013
                          • 16830

                          #3537
                          Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

                          Originally posted by physicx
                          My Astros franchise is sitting in 2nd place in the AL West (52-49, 4.5 GB) behind Seattle (56-44) right now 2 days before trade deadline. What could I get to improve pitching or just in general? Thinking of dealing away Carlos Gomez and Tyler White. Here's their current lines:

                          CF Carlos Gomez: .290/.327/.465, 9 HR, 35 RBI, 23 2B, 4 3B, 24 SB, .981 Fielding%, 2.90 WAR
                          1B/3B Tyler White: .269/.287/.449, 10 HR, 32 RBI, 10 2B, 1 3B, .989 Fielding%, 13 E, 0.01 WAR

                          For some reason, Gomez is hitting above .450 against RHP with like 8 HR and 30 RBI. Tyler White is the leader for ROTY in the AL. COMPLETE opposite from their RL selves I know.

                          Maybe I could get something for Scott Feldman too?
                          P Feldman: 14 GP, 4-2, 62 IP, 5.23 ERA, 1.37 WHIP, 43 K, 79 H, 11 HR, 0.27 WAR


                          Any others yall think I could deal, just ask and I'll put up their stats. I'm using OSFM like most of yall so I'll assume our rosters and ratings are very similar.
                          You could probably get some team to pony up a pouch of Big League Chew for Feldman. Even that might be a reach.

                          As for the others, it would help if you had some players in mind you wanted in return. Gomez is a rental, but with his decent stats you could probably get a rental starting pitcher (sort of like the Yoenis Cespedes-Jon Lester deal a couple years ago) in return. Gomez isn't as good as Cespedes though.

                          Why do you want to trade your potential Rookie of the Year?
                          Last edited by WaitTilNextYear; 07-27-2016, 09:26 PM.
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                          • AC
                            Win the East
                            • Sep 2010
                            • 14951

                            #3538
                            Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

                            Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
                            Why do you want to trade your potential Rookie of the Year?
                            I'm assuming he has Gourriel and Bregman and Reed needing roster spots.
                            "Twelve at-bats is a pretty decent sample size." - Eric Byrnes

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                            • AC
                              Win the East
                              • Sep 2010
                              • 14951

                              #3539
                              Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

                              Just finished a course and had nothing better to do. Here's that Derosa trade broken down. Vaguely mathematical estimates.

                              LAA receives:
                              3B Pablo Sandoval + LF Rusney Castillo - dead weight -$131.5m
                              CF Jackie Bradley Jr - $65m
                              C/OF Blake Swihart - $10m
                              P Eduardo Rodriguez - $60m
                              2B Yoan Moncada - $75m

                              TOTAL: $78.5m

                              BOS receives:
                              CF Mike Trout - $360m
                              1B/DH Albert Pujols - dead weight -$165m
                              P Matt Shoemaker - $80m

                              TOTAL: $275m

                              Honestly, probably not any worse than the Dickey trade. It's only, you know, significantly crippling, as opposed to horrifyingly terriohmygodhowdidwe****ingdeal6yearsoftwoallstars fora40yearold****baller
                              "Twelve at-bats is a pretty decent sample size." - Eric Byrnes

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                              • KBLover
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Aug 2009
                                • 12172

                                #3540
                                Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

                                How do you calculate those values? I'd love to include them on my projections but I don't see any formulas around for turning stats/metrics/production into $$$ value.
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