MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

[gwtayl]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

Nats send Felipe Rivero (LHP) and Taylor Kearn (RHP, A Ball) to Pittsburgh for Melancon. Good trade for both teams, I think.

[WaitTilNextYear]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

I decided to go after Contreras, like I said I know it isnt very realistic but I like Contreras a lot as a prospect. I tried to just overpay as much as possible
though. Went with a 3 team trade.

HOU In: Contreras
OAK In: Jon Singleton
CHC In: Fernando Rodriguez, Jason Castro, Colin Moran, Chris Devenski, Mike FIers

Chicago needed a #5 reliever which is what Fiers is for, Devenski is a high C prospect (Not much I know but he pitched well in MLB in a few spot starts). They needed relief help so Rodriguez got sent over he is having a great year and has gotten hot recently sporting a 2.18 ERA.

Contreras was struggling so I sent Castro who hasn't been amazing but consistent. Moran is a A prospects (94 I believe). I plan to juggle their positions once Moran is called up to MLB since they have a ton of guys that can play all over the field.

Found the Oakland deal in the trade finder they were offering a few other guys but I took them out and just did it 1 for 1.

I dont know if I should give Chicago more though so would like to here what you have to say. I may send another reliever over as well to help them win now. Bullpen has been their biggest struggle this year with really only 2 relievers pitching well.

That trade doesn't make any sense, honestly. There's not anything you could do to tweak it. It just isn't realistic or fair.

Moran is blocked by Bryant. Fiers is not a reliever. Castro is not an upgrade on Montero...etc etc.. I realize you want Contreras, but this isn't a good trade.

And this is aside from the fact that you are just basically shedding players that you probably don't want anyway.

[kenp86]

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Rebuilding the Yanks. Just got to off season #1. Just DFAd Ellsbury after a 4 hr/31 rbi/.241 avg/3.28 war in 539 AB year. What's the value of Gardner? 17/75/.287/4.46 WAR?

[scooterperpetual]

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That trade doesn't make any sense, honestly. There's not anything you could do to tweak it. It just isn't realistic or fair.

Moran is blocked by Bryant. Fiers is not a reliever. Castro is not an upgrade on Montero...etc etc.. I realize you want Contreras, but this isn't a good trade.

I didn't realize you could see the stats in my franchise :/ Montero is having a terrible year batting arround .220, Castro is at .244 . I said they need a #5 starter because their current #5 has an ERA over 5.10. Bryant can play multiple positions. But thanks for your input Ill review it.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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I didn't realize you could see the stats in my franchise :/ Montero is having a terrible year batting arround .220, Castro is at .244 . I said they need a #5 starter because their current #5 has an ERA over 5.10. Bryant can play multiple positions. But thanks for your input Ill review it.

As to your point here, I don't think getting a rental catcher hitting .244 with less power than the catcher you already have hitting .220 and signed for 2 years is really an upgrade. All while paying $5MM more to get that guy.

Bryant can play multiple positions and even then there's no room. Baez plays 3B, Soler and Schwarber?? What do they play if Bryant is being booted to the OF?

As to your comment about stats, did you provide any earlier on? I don't remember seeing any. That would help to present at the top rather than saving them for a rebuttal basically saying "I'll do what I want, bruh."

I mean if you're gonna ask for advice and then do whatever anyway, it's your game, man. Do your thing. I don't think anyone will agree that you've made a good trade though. I could be wrong, but I don't see how anyone agrees with this deal.

[scooterperpetual]

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As to your point here, I don't think getting a rental catcher hitting .244 with less power than the catcher you already have hitting .220 and signed for 2 years is really an upgrade. All while paying $5MM more to get that guy.

Bryant can play multiple positions and even then there's no room. Baez plays 3B, Soler and Schwarber?? What do they play if Bryant is being booted to the OF?

As to your comment about stats, did you provide any earlier on? I don't remember seeing any. That would help to present at the top rather than saving them for a rebuttal basically saying "I'll do what I want, bruh."

I mean if you're gonna ask for advice and then do whatever anyway, it's your game, man. Do your thing. I don't think anyone will agree that you've made a good trade though. I could be wrong, but I don't see how anyone agrees with this deal.

TBH Man I think you need to chill you are getting all worked up over something that has zero effect on you lol Just a game.

A .220 hitting catcher with 1 home run and 9 RBI's is better than a .244 hitting catcher with 5 home runs and 17 RBI's. Interesting. Matter of fact your statement about the power isnt even true. Castro has more power vs R and the same vs L.

Bryant moves to OF, Schwarber can play C? Soler is currently riding the pine in my franchise. Would have to see when he is actually producing starter numbers.

I stated that Chicago needed a #5 starter which was what Fiers was for. Guess you cant take the word of someone on this forum though.. Chicago also gets a quality reliever in Rodriguez.

"I'll do what I want, bruh."

I dont remember typing this which is odd since you have quoted me on it but hey whatever man. I said I would review the trade. I dont really know what else you want from me. I am assuming you are defensive about this because you are a Cubs fan (Or so I believe based on your signature).

I would probably be defensive too if someone suggested trading away say Bregman. Once again though, thanks for your input. I will review the trade.

EDIT: Also as a sidenote I decided to take your advice... so... "Ill do what you want bruh"

[WaitTilNextYear]

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TBH Man I think you need to chill you are getting all worked up over something that has zero effect on you lol Just a game.

A .220 hitting catcher with 1 home run and 9 RBI's is better than a .244 hitting catcher with 5 home runs and 17 RBI's. Interesting. Matter of fact your statement about the power isnt even true. Castro has more power vs R and the same vs L.

Bryant moves to OF, Schwarber can play C? Soler is currently riding the pine in my franchise. Would have to see when he is actually producing starter numbers.

I stated that Chicago needed a #5 starter which was what Fiers was for. Guess you cant take the word of someone on this forum though.. Chicago also gets a quality reliever in Rodriguez.

"I'll do what I want, bruh."

I dont remember typing this which is odd since you have quoted me on it but hey whatever man. I said I would review the trade. I dont really know what else you want from me. I am assuming you are defensive about this because you are a Cubs fan (Or so I believe based on your signature).

I would probably be defensive too if someone suggested trading away say Bregman. Once again though, thanks for your input. I will review the trade.

EDIT: Also as a sidenote I decided to take your advice... so... "Ill do what you want bruh"

I am a Cubs fan and certainly have some bias over Willson Contreras, but I was simply objecting to what I saw as a trade the Cubs wouldn't make as opposed to getting worked up about anything. The idea is that you might regret doing a deal like that later, so my 2 cents were given to present that concern. And while I couldn't care less, really, about what happens in your franchise to be quite honest, I do get some satisfaction from preventing bad trades and maybe preventing people from restarting their games over doing bad trades later on. That's one of the main functions this thread serves. I certainly didn't mean to come off antagonistic although it would appear that we both have.

Just to re-summarize the issues I had with the trade you proposed...

I don't see Jason Castro as a fit for the Cubs. They have Montero/Ross (or Schwarber as you noted) in addition to just keeping Contreras themselves. If the Cubs were to upgrade at catcher, they'd go for a big name like Lucroy.

Moran playing 3B would be a stretch because Bryant is better, and if you move Bryant to the OF and bench Soler and put Schwarber at catcher, then Baez and Jason Castro (the guy you were selling as an improvement on Montero) are both on the bench. Adding another infielder to the Cubs would be tough in a very crowded situation already.

On top of that, Mike Fiers (I don't remember whether you originally said he'd be their "5th starter" or "5th reliever"..I may have misunderstood) probably isn't an upgrade on the Lackey/Hammel/Hendricks part of the rotation, even if one of them had pretty bad stats. Fiers is a depth guy, not a guy you swap out with a guy of similar ratings ability. Once again, if the Cubs try to improve the rotation, it wouldn't be a marginal upgrade, but would be for a Chris Archer type.

Devenski and Rodriguez would both have some value to the Cubs, but not really close to enough for the Cubs to consider moving a Top Prospect at catcher like Contreras. We've already seen the Cubs add an elite reliever IRL, and they didn't part with any major league ready position players in the process.

In addition to losing the best player in the deal (Contreras), the Cubs would also be taking on something like $5-10MM in salary mainly due to Castro and Fiers.

So for a few different reasons, I feel like you could find a better option if you are looking for realism/fairness. Lucroy would be a great fit for you. d'Arnaud from the Mets is apparently available. The Marlins might deal J.T. Realmuto to you. Derek Norris of the Padres is out there (I dealt him to HOU in my own chise). We've seen that Boston fans can't trade Blake Swihart fast enough...

In terms of strictly prospects, Chance Sisco (BAL), Andrew Knapp (PHI...a switch-hitter!), Reese McGuire (PIT), and Francisco Mejia (CLE) are among some of your better, more realistic options.

There are also reclamation projects such as Mike Zunino (SEA), Matt Wieters (BAL), and Devin Mesoraco (CIN) if you want someone with better ratings and a little bit older.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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TBH Man I think you need to chill you are getting all worked up over something that has zero effect on you lol Just a game.

A .220 hitting catcher with 1 home run and 9 RBI's is better than a .244 hitting catcher with 5 home runs and 17 RBI's. Interesting. Matter of fact your statement about the power isnt even true. Castro has more power vs R and the same vs L.

Bryant moves to OF, Schwarber can play C? Soler is currently riding the pine in my franchise. Would have to see when he is actually producing starter numbers.

I stated that Chicago needed a #5 starter which was what Fiers was for. Guess you cant take the word of someone on this forum though.. Chicago also gets a quality reliever in Rodriguez.

"I'll do what I want, bruh."

I dont remember typing this which is odd since you have quoted me on it but hey whatever man. I said I would review the trade. I dont really know what else you want from me. I am assuming you are defensive about this because you are a Cubs fan (Or so I believe based on your signature).

I would probably be defensive too if someone suggested trading away say Bregman. Once again though, thanks for your input. I will review the trade.

EDIT: Also as a sidenote I decided to take your advice... so... "Ill do what you want bruh"

WTNY isn't worked up, you just don't like that he says the trade isn't fair. (It isn't fair). This thread helps people find realistic or fair or both for trades. It isn't to say hey look I made this trade and no amount of logic can say I shouldn't have. But again like her said, do whatever you want

[scooterperpetual]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

I am a Cubs fan and certainly have some bias over Willson Contreras, but I was simply objecting to what I saw as a trade the Cubs wouldn't make as opposed to getting worked up about anything. The idea is that you might regret doing a deal like that later, so my 2 cents were given to present that concern. And while I couldn't care less, really, about what happens in your franchise to be quite honest, I do get some satisfaction from preventing bad trades and maybe preventing people from restarting their games over doing bad trades later on. That's one of the main functions this thread serves. I certainly didn't mean to come off antagonistic although it would appear that we both have.

Just to re-summarize the issues I had with the trade you proposed...

I don't see Jason Castro as a fit for the Cubs. They have Montero/Ross (or Schwarber as you noted) in addition to just keeping Contreras themselves. If the Cubs were to upgrade at catcher, they'd go for a big name like Lucroy.

Moran playing 3B would be a stretch because Bryant is better, and if you move Bryant to the OF and bench Soler and put Schwarber at catcher, then Baez and Jason Castro (the guy you were selling as an improvement on Montero) are both on the bench. Adding another infielder to the Cubs would be tough in a very crowded situation already.

On top of that, Mike Fiers (I don't remember whether you originally said he'd be their "5th starter" or "5th reliever"..I may have misunderstood) probably isn't an upgrade on the Lackey/Hammel/Hendricks part of the rotation, even if one of them had pretty bad stats. Fiers is a depth guy, not a guy you swap out with a guy of similar ratings ability. Once again, if the Cubs try to improve the rotation, it wouldn't be a marginal upgrade, but would be for a Chris Archer type.

Devenski and Rodriguez would both have some value to the Cubs, but not really close to enough for the Cubs to consider moving a Top Prospect at catcher like Contreras. We've already seen the Cubs add an elite reliever IRL, and they didn't part with any major league ready position players in the process.

In addition to losing the best player in the deal (Contreras), the Cubs would also be taking on something like $5-10MM in salary mainly due to Castro and Fiers.

So for a few different reasons, I feel like you could find a better option if you are looking for realism/fairness. Lucroy would be a great fit for you. d'Arnaud from the Mets is apparently available. The Marlins might deal J.T. Realmuto to you. Derek Norris of the Padres is out there (I dealt him to HOU in my own chise). We've seen that Boston fans can't trade Blake Swihart fast enough...

In terms of strictly prospects, Chance Sisco (BAL), Andrew Knapp (PHI...a switch-hitter!), Reese McGuire (PIT), and Francisco Mejia (CLE) are among some of your better, more realistic options.

There are also reclamation projects such as Mike Zunino (SEA), Matt Wieters (BAL), and Devin Mesoraco (CIN) if you want someone with better ratings and a little bit older.

I honestly think there was some miscommunication. I never once said I was 100% dead set on the trade, I proposed that trade and yes like I said I really wanted Contreras. I re-read my post and the end of it may have came off as "I dont really care what you say Im doing what I want" I did not mean it that was at all I mean more so I was reviewing the trade.

After looking it over I agree with you that I think it would be too many moving parts for the Cubs to do this (Moving Bryant to OF, Scwarber back to C, then loaded up in the OF). As far as the #5 starter statistically Fiers was a fairly large upgrade over their #5 starter (I dont remember who it was I just remember them having a high ERA). Also I don't play with real contracts so there was definitely some miscommunication there because I only have Castro's contract at I believe 2M.

We are on the same page now. What would you suggest for a Lucroy trade with the pieces I mentioned in my original post?

WTNY isn't worked up, you just don't like that he says the trade isn't fair. (It isn't fair). This thread helps people find realistic or fair or both for trades. It isn't to say hey look I made this trade and no amount of logic can say I shouldn't have. But again like her said, do whatever you want

How don't I like what he said? I even said I took his advice lol. I appreciate you stepping in on this but it really isnt needed. All is solved now. Also very few trades are ever fair, but I appreciate his advice as he made me realize it just wouldn't work due to the moving pieces.

All is good now.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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I honestly think there was some miscommunication. I never once said I was 100% dead set on the trade, I proposed that trade and yes like I said I really wanted Contreras. I re-read my post and the end of it may have came off as "I dont really care what you say Im doing what I want" I did not mean it that was at all I mean more so I was reviewing the trade.

After looking it over I agree with you that I think it would be too many moving parts for the Cubs to do this (Moving Bryant to OF, Scwarber back to C, then loaded up in the OF). As far as the #5 starter statistically Fiers was a fairly large upgrade over their #5 starter (I dont remember who it was I just remember them having a high ERA). Also I don't play with real contracts so there was definitely some miscommunication there because I only have Castro's contract at I believe 2M.

We are on the same page now. What would you suggest for a Lucroy trade with the pieces I mentioned in my original post?

No worries. The internet is the best place for miscommunication. I got the sense that you had already done the trade, despite the fact that you were asking for help, and that you would've gotten Contreras no matter what feedback you got. Hence, me bringing up the "bruh" stuff.

A couple of things that really turn people off in here is (1) bumping your own stuff from like 4 hours ago (unrelated to this situation) and (2) asking for advice only to not take it and also denigrate the advice (also not really the case, but I think this was the miscommunication here). People doing either of those will make most of us trade thread lurkers cranky.

[scooterperpetual]

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No worries. The internet is the best place for miscommunication. I got the sense that you had already done the trade, despite the fact that you were asking for help, and that you would've gotten Contreras no matter what feedback you got. Hence, me bringing up the "bruh" stuff.

A couple of things that really turn people off in here is (1) bumping your own stuff from like 4 hours ago (unrelated to this situation) and (2) asking for advice only to not take it and also denigrate the advice (also not really the case, but I think this was the miscommunication here). People doing either of those will make most of us trade thread lurkers cranky.

Re-reading my posts I can see the confussion so my apologies. Bad idea to make posts on 3 hours of sleep lol.

Back on the topic though any suggestions for a good Lucroy trade?

Colin Moran (A)
Tony Kemp (A)
Kyle Tucker (B)
Joe Musgrove (B)
Jon Singleton (B) - .312/.376/.584 - 5 HR - 10 RBI (77 AB)
Tyler White (B) - Showed flashes of being very good in MLB batted over .300 for the first month before being demoted. Was still producing but not as much as I wanted.
David Paulino (B)
J.D. Davis (B)

Would really like to move Singleton because I think I would be selling high as I just dont see his stats being sustainable.

[Daonlyjmo7]

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Looking to replicate the Carter Capps trade in my Padres franchise, but I have already dealt Cashner. I feel like Naylor would definetly not be shipped away if it didn't include Cashner. Also, then the Padres (me) more or less wouldn't want Cosart. Is it fair to say that if the deal was Capps/Castillo for Rea/Guerrero is fair in real world terms?

If you guys want the stats to gauge on this, I will definitely give them (I am at work while posting this), but I am judging this similarly to what I did (and WTNY did) with the Pomeranz trade. Basically I am asking that is it fair the say that Cosart/Naylor was for Cashner and the rest was for Capps/Castillo or not. I admit, it sounds a little in my favor, but that could just be because I think the deal was overall way better for the Padres (similarly to the Pomeranz deal). If not, I am plenty open to adding upon the trade. If you guys don't see Capps being moved at all without Cashner even considering the trade that went down IRL, I'll just move Rea or Guerrero in a deal with Castillo.

Thanks in advance for the help.

[Daonlyjmo7]

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Re-reading my posts I can see the confussion so my apologies. Bad idea to make posts on 3 hours of sleep lol.

Back on the topic though any suggestions for a good Lucroy trade?

Colin Moran (A)
Tony Kemp (A)
Kyle Tucker (B)
Joe Musgrove (B)
Jon Singleton (B) - .312/.376/.584 - 5 HR - 10 RBI (77 AB)
Tyler White (B) - Showed flashes of being very good in MLB batted over .300 for the first month before being demoted. Was still producing but not as much as I wanted.
David Paulino (B)
J.D. Davis (B)

Would really like to move Singleton because I think I would be selling high as I just dont see his stats being sustainable.

IMO, I don't see any of those guys as a centerpiece for a player like Lucroy. They could be done in a deal for one of the lower guys WTNY mentioned, but you want Lucroy so I will help you with him. That said, Bregman (who you obviously don't want to give), Martes, or Reed would HAVE to be in the trade. I don't see any other way around it unfortunately.

[KnickNation17]

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What's the value in terms of prospects for Wil Myers ( 27 years old, 87 OVR A potential?

This is my continuation from The Show 15 so it's about 2 years ahead of real life. Regradless I'm the Mets so I'm assuming it would start with Matz at the very least. Maybe a low A or a couple of high B's ? I have an abundance of prospects specifically pitching prospects so really no price is to high lol. SD could also really use some pitching. If you guys need stats I can provide that as well.

As always I appreciate any and all help

[KBLover]

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Re-reading my posts I can see the confussion so my apologies. Bad idea to make posts on 3 hours of sleep lol.

Back on the topic though any suggestions for a good Lucroy trade?

Colin Moran (A)
Tony Kemp (A)
Kyle Tucker (B)
Joe Musgrove (B)
Jon Singleton (B) - .312/.376/.584 - 5 HR - 10 RBI (77 AB)
Tyler White (B) - Showed flashes of being very good in MLB batted over .300 for the first month before being demoted. Was still producing but not as much as I wanted.
David Paulino (B)
J.D. Davis (B)

Would really like to move Singleton because I think I would be selling high as I just dont see his stats being sustainable.

And those stats might not be given much weight (though, maybe they would be...I think 77 AB is a drop in the bucket, but I know irl > all so irl maybe they would). But that would depend on his ratings as much as anything else. If he's like he is in my MLB16 franchise (in year 2 now, granted), the power third of that line might.

Assuming Lucroy has the skills he does in mine, very solid contact hitter with pretty decent defense. Singleton probably could be added in, but, given how rare good catchers seem to be, not sure he gets it done alone.

Moran has A potential in your franchise? Tony Kemp too? Wow - both just at C in mine. Is Moran close to MLB level? If so and Lucroy's team needs a 3B, that might be attractive. Maybe Moran and Singleton + decent catcher prospect? Or Kemp with his versatility + star potential...if he's close to majors, that might work in place of Moran.

But Lucroy's team (not sure where he is in your franchise, which is why I'm saying it like this) would need someone to fill the catcher spot unless they have someone ready to go now. That's what would make it tough, especially if the team is a contender. They may not want to open a hole at such an important position.

I think it probably would be better to find a catcher that's in the minors but still has a decent skill profile that could help. I got Audry Perez in mine - 67/D ratings but solid contact hitter (68/75 contact, 50/41 power) and receiver. Arm is decent but erratic - but could be an average guy overall.