MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

[redsox4evur]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

To be more specific, if I were the Angels I would want Torres/Happ/Vogelbach. Especially because I don't see the Cubs dealing one of Baez/Soler/Schwarber. And maybe you could replace Vogelbach for someone around his level if you prefer, but I have a prospect crush on him lol. He is going to be a beast for the Mariners.

I think a 1 for 1 swap is perfectly fine. Torres for Richards straight up. Richards is doing a little worse than Pomeranz is IRL. And Torres is the 27th best prospect compared to Espinoza's 15. So a 1/1 swap is perfect.

[WaitTilNextYear]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

Thanks for the feedback on James Shields.

A couple of votes against a trade to Toronto. I guess I'll look past them.

No real problems with a deal to the Cubs (although on second look, I don't like the Cubs all that much as a destination for Shields...doesn't seem to fit them all that great simply for an upgrade on Hammel).

One opinion that I would have to eat some salary to trade to Houston. One opinion that I wouldn't. I may do something like take $$ back in the form of Scott Feldman's expiring deal to split the difference. Then Houston would be paying about 85% of Shields' money and I would be off the hook for everything after this season. I will let you guys know what I come up with.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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The second player on my trade agenda is Andrew Cashner.

Contract Info: Rental at $7.1MM for this season, then FA eligible for the first time in 2017.

Vitals: 29 y/o, 81 OVR, B POT [69 H/9 | 60 K/9 | 69 BB/9 | 66 HR/9 | 84 STAM] (about +1-2 points of across the board performance-based progresion so far this season have already been taken into account in these ratings)

Triple Crown Stats: 3-6, 3.15 ERA

Volume Stats: 111.1 IP, 100 K, 49 BB, 12 HR, 17 GS, 12 QS

Rate Stats (career norms): 8.08 K/9 (7.60) | 3.96 BB/9 (3.11) | 0.97 HR/9 (0.82), 1.27 WHIP (1.27)

Nutshell Stats: 1.53 WAR (2.7 WAR pace), 3.96 FIP (3.56 career FIP)

Potentially Interested Teams: Toronto (56-36, 1st place), Kansas City (52-38, 1st place), Houston (53-38, t-1st), Boston (51-39, 2nd place).

The teams that make the most sense here, assuming that I send Shields to Houston, are the Blue Jays (really, their rotation is in shambles) and the Royals. The Cubs could use a starter, but a reunion with Cashner is about as realistic as Shields going back to KC.

What I hope to accomplish here: Cashner's salary isn't the main issue here as it was for Shields. Along with Cashner being healthy and chugging along with respectable, near career-avg stats for him, I could see him getting a decent return for a rental.

I'm looking for any intriguing prospect here that fits a longer term plan. Not necessarily an 18-year-old, but open to most anything. But, bonus points for someone who I can use right away in the bigs. Dealing Pomeranz, Shields, and Cashner will have me throwing the kitchen sink at trying to fill out the rotation for the rest of the year.

Prospects I have interest in (in this price range)...not married to these exact guys:

TOR

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RHP Sean Reid-Foley (66 OVR/C POT)
RHP John Stilson (68 OVR/C POT)
OF D.J. Davis (58 OVR/C POT)
C Max Pentecost (54 OVR/C POT)
RHP Drew Hutchison (77 OVR/C POT)

BOS

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1B Sam Travis (68 OVR/C POT)
LHP Henry Owens (74 OVR/B POT)
C Blake Swihart, lol (73 OVR/B POT)
2B Sean Coyle (70 OVR/C POT)
SS Deven Marrero (74 OVR/C POT)
LHP Brian Johnson (72 OVR/C POT)
RHP Matt Barnes (70 OVR/C POT)
3B Jantzen Witte (67 OVR/C POT)

KC

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RHP Josh Staumont (60 OVR/C POT)
1B Ryan O'Hearn (54 OVR/C POT)
CF Bubba Starling (67 OVR/C POT)
LHP Matthew Strahm (73 OVR/C POT)
1B Balbino Fuenmayor (69 OVR/C POT)

HOU

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RHP Joe Musgrove (77 OVR/78 POT)
RHP Kyle Smith (72 OVR/73 POT)
RHP Chris Devenski (72 OVR/73 POT)
RHP Michael Feliz (72 OVR/77 POT)
RHP Jandel Gustave (63 OVR/74 POT)
3B J.D. Davis (59 OVR/74 POT)

I am mainly looking for feedback on (1) how much value is fair for a rental Cashner with decent stats? (2) which team/prospect(s) looks like the best fit?

[KBLover]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

Blue Jays deal one of the pitchers (how old are the guys with the 60's OVR and what's their skill profile like...I never like judging on OVR in sports games) and OF Davis maybe?

Especially if the POT might be "high" C (like 77 or something) on those 60's guys. That combined with a profile that would develop the most important ratings could lead to an interesting pitcher playing "over his head" that could help you out in return for someone getting it done now.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Blue Jays deal one of the pitchers (how old are the guys with the 60's OVR and what's their skill profile like...I never like judging on OVR in sports games) and OF Davis maybe?

Especially if the POT might be "high" C (like 77 or something) on those 60's guys. That combined with a profile that would develop the most important ratings could lead to an interesting pitcher playing "over his head" that could help you out in return for someone getting it done now.

More info on Sean Reid-Foley: 20 y/o, 66 OVR, 77 POT, 80 STAM, 68 H/9, 55 HR/9, 53 K/9, 36 BB/9, 76 Velo, 70 Break, 42 Control. [Reid-Foley is the Blue Jays' 3rd best prospect according to MLB dot com/5th best according to BA so he may be a bit much.]

More info on John Stilson: 25 y/o, 68 OVR, 74 POT, 34 STAM (is RP), 68 H/9, 58 HR/9, 69 K/9, 57 BB/9, 97 Velo, 83 Break, 50 Control. [He's not a prospect at this stage.]


I think D.J. Davis + John Stilson would be a pretty good deal for the Jays. As for me, I'd get a lottery ticket (Davis) and a guy who could figure into the bullpen mix going forward (Stilson). I certainly wouldn't feel guilty about this deal; if anything I may be selling Cashner a bit short given the scarcity of decent starting pitching on the trade market. I could see a 1-for-1 involving Reid-Foley, but AC noted that he didn't think Reid-Foley would be dealt. AC = Blue Jays fan so it's a weighty opinion.

[KBLover]

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More info on Sean Reid-Foley: 20 y/o, 66 OVR, 77 POT, 80 STAM, 68 H/9, 55 HR/9, 53 K/9, 36 BB/9, 76 Velo, 70 Break, 42 Control. [Reid-Foley is the Blue Jays' 3rd best prospect according to MLB dot com/5th best according to BA so he may be a bit much.]

More info on John Stilson: 25 y/o, 68 OVR, 74 POT, 34 STAM (is RP), 68 H/9, 58 HR/9, 69 K/9, 57 BB/9, 97 Velo, 83 Break, 50 Control. [He's not a prospect at this stage.]


I think D.J. Davis + John Stilson would be a pretty good deal for the Jays. As for me, I'd get a lottery ticket (Davis) and a guy who could figure into the bullpen mix going forward (Stilson). I certainly wouldn't feel guilty about this deal; if anything I may be selling Cashner a bit short given the scarcity of decent starting pitching on the trade market. I could see a 1-for-1 involving Reid-Foley, but AC noted that he didn't think Reid-Foley would be dealt. AC = Blue Jays fan so it's a weighty opinion.

From just the game perspective, I think Foley + Davis would be good. Foley could be good, but he could be also be too wild to make the most of his potentially solid H/9 rating (pitches miss location too often), and that's counting on most of his "OVR increasing points" going to /9 and not to things like fielding or clutch and hopefully not HR/9, since that doesn't matter (in live play). He reminds me of a guy who induces softer contact and IFFB...if he locates...which he might not consistently enough to use those skills.

I know I'm basically the only one here who thinks of prospects and their development like that so Foley might not be in the cards. So looking at the Stilson + Davis option, maybe throw on Pentecost or a more raw-but-younger version of Foley? You get the same skill profile in general, but take a little more risk with less foundational development?

[NothingTrivial]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

Chapman to Cubs for Torres+ being finalized. Sticking point is a Chapman extension.

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[KBLover]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

Chapman to Cubs for Torres+ being finalized. Sticking point is a Chapman extension.

Wow - guess it will be Torres instead of Schwarber being dealt for a reliever!

[GamecocksLaw17]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

Wow - guess it will be Torres instead of Schwarber being dealt for a reliever!

That's way too mch for Chapman but I'm not a GM

[NothingTrivial]

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That's way too mch for Chapman but I'm not a GM

What's your opinion on the extension. I saw Keith Law debating a guy and he was of the opinion you aren't trading for the extension just this year. I'm inclined to disagree with that.

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[GamecocksLaw17]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

What's your opinion on the extension. I saw Keith Law debating a guy and he was of the opinion you aren't trading for the extension just this year. I'm inclined to disagree with that.

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I agree with Law on this. Yankees are trading away 2016 Chapman. I'll only agree if the extension is on a discount as in less than $15 million per year. If it's 15 or higher it's fair market and they could have just paid it in December and kept Torres

[NothingTrivial]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

I agree with Law on this. Yankees are trading away 2016 Chapman. I'll only agree if the extension is on a discount as in less than $15 million per year. If it's 15 or higher it's fair market and they could have just paid it in December and kept Torres

I could be completely off base here, and please tell me if I am. I look at it like this. The Yankees win here just because they will get the price of Chapman for multiple years. The Cubs though aren't necessarily getting robbed because they are paying for Chapman in 16 + exclusive rights to negotiate with him and not get in a bidding war. Over the course of 4 or 5 years that could be equal to the value of a prospect.

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[Scrapps]

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I agree with Law on this. Yankees are trading away 2016 Chapman. I'll only agree if the extension is on a discount as in less than $15 million per year. If it's 15 or higher it's fair market and they could have just paid it in December and kept Torres

The rumored extension is 4yrs/$60 million.

[Daonlyjmo7]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

I think D.J. Davis + John Stilson would be a pretty good deal for the Jays. As for me, I'd get a lottery ticket (Davis) and a guy who could figure into the bullpen mix going forward (Stilson). I certainly wouldn't feel guilty about this deal; if anything I may be selling Cashner a bit short given the scarcity of decent starting pitching on the trade market. I could see a 1-for-1 involving Reid-Foley, but AC noted that he didn't think Reid-Foley would be dealt. AC = Blue Jays fan so it's a weighty opinion.

This deal sounds perfect to me.

[AC]

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Davis and Stilson are terrible lol. I don't know who's in OSFM but take Conner Greene or something.