MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

[Daonlyjmo7]

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Rebuilding the Yanks. Just got to off season #1. Just DFAd Ellsbury after a 4 hr/31 rbi/.241 avg/3.28 war in 539 AB year. What's the value of Gardner? 17/75/.287/4.46 WAR?

Pretty decent. Since you didn't really name any positions you want or teams you want to trade with, it iss hard to help, but here is the best I can do.

I am a Giants fan, and that player is a guy I would love for them to get to avoid having to get someone else in the weak FA class to replace Pagan. Do you know if they have resigned him? It probably doesn't matter anyways unless he had a really good year. What were his stats if he was resigned? Do they have anyone else that played left that was good last year?

If they didn't resign him and/or he had a bad year and they don't have anyone else, I could see a deal centered around either Chris Shaw or Aldaberto Mejia (who they traded IRL for extra realism). Other throw ins could be future bullpen options in Crick/Black, a future guy like Lucius Fox (maybe), or a starter like Conrood/Blackburn. Another one would be Aramis Garcia, who could end up as a good backup catcher. If you wanted more MLB ready talent, Andrew Susac would be a MLB backup catcher/future fringe starter, Chris Heston is a good rotation option, and Kelby Tomlinson could be a decent utility man. I know you probably won't end up choosing the Giants as your trade partner, but whatever

[Daonlyjmo7]

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Btw, that Kemp/Olivera trade is just plain weird.

[KBLover]

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Bettances can get you Ross or Gallo. He's the most valuable reliever in baseball.

Wow - I'd do that everyday.

If I start any more franchises, I'll have to remember this because I love the way Gallo develops and how he produced for me.

[Daonlyjmo7]

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Wow - I'd do that everyday.

If I start any more franchises, I'll have to remember this because I love the way Gallo develops and how he produced for me.

I know. I am against the big trades for relievers not because they are valuable but because they aren't utilized correctely. Relief ace FTW.

[KBLover]

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I know. I am against the big trades for relievers not because they are valuable but because they aren't utilized correctely. Relief ace FTW.

Yeah - though as much as I love Chapman in my franchise and he's been ridiculously awesome...he's not been 5+ WAR awesome. That's what Gallo did for me in my last season and is on his way to that again in year 2.

I love relievers and love bullpen...but I also love 23 y/o who can give me 5 WAR and upside potential from there...but maybe I got lucky with how my Gallo is developing...he's skyrocketing still.

[Mattchu12]

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I don't really see teams taking you up on Ellsbury, paid down or not.

Betances for Ross + small 2nd piece (Michael Taylor?) would probably work just on value. But, even if Ross has been their "worst starter," 2.5 WAR is not at all bad. His stats are in fact good. I'm not sure the timing of this deal makes sense for them. Betances for Giolito+ might make more sense. Or waiting for the offseason to do Betances for Ross.

You could do the real life Chapman deal with the Cubs, eh?

McCann + Eovaldi would probably get you Gallo with those stats they have. I mean they've combined for nearly 8 WAR already at the trade deadline.

I just happen to be a big Ross fan and am rationalizing it as Giolito is more value to the Nats due to longer control (I know, grasping at straws) with three guys locked up for multiple years in my franchise. Giolito is also having an insane, sub-1.50 ERA insane, year at Triple-A and all that jazz.

I was going to do the Chapman-Cubs deal until my team just flat out tanked, and still might if I decide to do McCann + Eovaldi for Gallo because then it really is "blow up the club" time. Is there a Chapman + Eovaldi + Something trade that makes sense for Ross? Maybe adding in a Luis Cessa type?

I'd like to keep McCann just because even after dealing Betances and Chapman, I can't shake the Yankee fan in me that thinks there is still a chance. Trading McCann would be a sure-fire rebuild. He's my key bat.

[kenp86]

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Pretty decent. Since you didn't really name any positions you want or teams you want to trade with, it iss hard to help, but here is the best I can do.

I am a Giants fan, and that player is a guy I would love for them to get to avoid having to get someone else in the weak FA class to replace Pagan. Do you know if they have resigned him? It probably doesn't matter anyways unless he had a really good year. What were his stats if he was resigned? Do they have anyone else that played left that was good last year?

If they didn't resign him and/or he had a bad year and they don't have anyone else, I could see a deal centered around either Chris Shaw or Aldaberto Mejia (who they traded IRL for extra realism). Other throw ins could be future bullpen options in Crick/Black, a future guy like Lucius Fox (maybe), or a starter like Conrood/Blackburn. Another one would be Aramis Garcia, who could end up as a good backup catcher. If you wanted more MLB ready talent, Andrew Susac would be a MLB backup catcher/future fringe starter, Chris Heston is a good rotation option, and Kelby Tomlinson could be a decent utility man. I know you probably won't end up choosing the Giants as your trade partner, but whatever

I'm making my way to season 3, like I always do. (Always sim first two year). So I just completed the draft and struck gold. Drafted all pitchers since that's what fell to me. CP(A), SP(B), SP(B), RP(B), SP(B), SP(B), SP(C). That's after a dud draft in year one. Did get a B potential CP and SP though. So my options for a return are anything.

Making my way to season three so I can start with the team I have envisioned after. the Chapman trade(completed that in my franchise)

C-Sanchez, 1-Bird, 2-Castro, 3-Torres, S-Mateo, L-McKinney, C-Hicks?, R-Judge. So I could use a young Center. Giants did indeed bring pagan back on a one year 3M deal.

Traded McCann to Detroit for Salty and Joe Jimenez at the deadline in year one.

And is there a way to get schwarber to New York

[Daonlyjmo7]

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I just happen to be a big Ross fan and am rationalizing it as Giolito is more value to the Nats due to longer control (I know, grasping at straws) with three guys locked up for multiple years in my franchise. Giolito is also having an insane, sub-1.50 ERA insane, year at Triple-A and all that jazz.

I was going to do the Chapman-Cubs deal until my team just flat out tanked, and still might if I decide to do McCann + Eovaldi for Gallo because then it really is "blow up the club" time. Is there a Chapman + Eovaldi + Something trade that makes sense for Gallo? Maybe adding in a Luis Cessa type?

I'd like to keep McCann just because even after dealing Betances and Chapman, I can't shake the Yankee fan in me that thinks there is still a chance. Trading McCann would be a sure-fire rebuild. He's my key bat.

I'm making my way to season 3, like I always do. (Always sim first two year). So I just completed the draft and struck gold. Drafted all pitchers since that's what fell to me. CP(A), SP(B), SP(B), RP(B), SP(B), SP(B), SP(C). That's after a dud draft in year one. Did get a B potential CP and SP though. So my options for a return are anything.

Making my way to season three so I can start with the team I have envisioned after. the Chapman trade(completed that in my franchise)

C-Sanchez, 1-Bird, 2-Castro, 3-Torres, S-Mateo, L-McKinney, C-Hicks?, R-Judge. So I could use a young Center. Giants did indeed bring pagan back on a one year 3M deal.

Traded McCann to Detroit for Salty and Joe Jimenez at the deadline in year one.

And is there a way to get schwarber to New York

Well that complicates things. Now I definitely need to know which contending teams need a left fielder.

Schwarber to New York would be possible, but I don't know anything about the Cubs needs in your franchise or your current farm system.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Wow - I'd do that everyday.

If I start any more franchises, I'll have to remember this because I love the way Gallo develops and how he produced for me.

WAR wise yes, and I've made my faith in Gallo known on here. The Chapman trade has made me reevaluate how I value relievers. I think WAR doesn't do them justice because the "replacement level" closer is super talented whereas a replacement level 3B can be pretty bad. I think that holds their WAR down. IDK I'm still wrestling with it but god Betances is insane. Has a ton of team control left and just owns hitters. If 2 months of Chapman equals Gleybar Torres then I think Betances should be worth around a top 10 prospect.

[kenp86]

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At deadline. Gardner(11/45/.297/14SB/2.95war)

OF needy teams:
KC. Dyson(3/22/.172/2.02)
Washington. Coghlan(6/27/.207/.11)
Mets. DeAza (4/30/.221/-1.05)
Colorado. Parra(6/30/.231/1.14)
Giants. Pagan(2/16/.260/-1.23)
O's. Kim(7/18/.215/-1.03)
Boston. Young(5/27/.228/-.60)

[KBLover]

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WAR wise yes, and I've made my faith in Gallo known on here. The Chapman trade has made me reevaluate how I value relievers. I think WAR doesn't do them justice because the "replacement level" closer is super talented whereas a replacement level 3B can be pretty bad. I think that holds their WAR down. IDK I'm still wrestling with it but god Betances is insane. Has a ton of team control left and just owns hitters. If 2 months of Chapman equals Gleybar Torres then I think Betances should be worth around a top 10 prospect.

I've never had Betances but I've seen his ratings in my franchise and they are awesome. He's pretty much rated like my Chapman (99 H/9, 99 K/9...and Chapman has a 0.53 ERA for me or some ungodly thing like that, 1.9 WAR in 50 innings).

Still though, if I'm taking a pick between an awesome reliever under team control and an awesome young slugger prospect/young ML'er under team control...I'm taking the slugger.

I think even with leverage involved and assuming The Show doesn't incorporate leverage index in its WAR calc, I don't know if I would change my decision.

I'd probably go get someone like Alex Reyes and turn him into a reliever (from flamethrower SP to flamethrower reliever that can suck a lot of innings) and keep Gallo.

[Mattchu12]

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WAR wise yes, and I've made my faith in Gallo known on here. The Chapman trade has made me reevaluate how I value relievers. I think WAR doesn't do them justice because the "replacement level" closer is super talented whereas a replacement level 3B can be pretty bad. I think that holds their WAR down. IDK I'm still wrestling with it but god Betances is insane. Has a ton of team control left and just owns hitters. If 2 months of Chapman equals Gleybar Torres then I think Betances should be worth around a top 10 prospect.

I've never had Betances but I've seen his ratings in my franchise and they are awesome. He's pretty much rated like my Chapman (99 H/9, 99 K/9...and Chapman has a 0.53 ERA for me or some ungodly thing like that, 1.9 WAR in 50 innings).

Still though, if I'm taking a pick between an awesome reliever under team control and an awesome young slugger prospect/young ML'er under team control...I'm taking the slugger.

I think even with leverage involved and assuming The Show doesn't incorporate leverage index in its WAR calc, I don't know if I would change my decision.

I'd probably go get someone like Alex Reyes and turn him into a reliever (from flamethrower SP to flamethrower reliever that can suck a lot of innings) and keep Gallo.

That's my thought as well. If Betances is bringing back a Gallo, then I have to make that trade. It's a lot easier to patch together a bullpen than it is to find a young third baseman of his talent. Now I've just gotta figure out if I'm giving up McCann to get Gallo and using Betances to get Joe Ross or if I can do something with Chapman to get Ross.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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That makes sense my bad. Been reading this thread for years but I'm still learning lol.

Myers stats are as such: .313/.344/.476 with 14 HR, 37 RBI, .820 OPS, 1.86 WAR.

Matz 26 years old, 82 OVR, 86 potenital ( 2nd year in the majors ): 8-6, 4.63 ERA, 107.0 IP, 0.36 WHIP, 8.50 K/9, 0.93 BB/9, 3.76 WAR

I don't have Degrom any more I traded him away in a deal that I discussed in last year's thread. However, I still have plenty of other pitchers to deal.

Felipo Rivero ( Also 26 years old, 82 OVR, 91 potential is one. I got him during the first year of my franchise in a trade I used last year's spreadsheet to help me facilitate. He's currently in AAA but here are his numbers down there:

10-4 , 2.22 ERA, 141.2 IP, 1.01 WHIP, 163 SO, 10.36 K/9.

Both WAR and BB/9 say 0.00. 1 negative about Rivero, he's 0-8 with a 5.88 for his career is the big leagues. I just dont have room for him in the big leagues but I don't think his career numbers reflect what he would do in a full season. Some of those numbers are a result of my own struggles.

Another is Gabriel Yona ( 24 years old, 81 OVR, 89 potential also in AAA)

11-3, 2.45 ERA, 128.2 IP, 1.14 WHIP, 101 SO, 7.06 K/9 ( Also no WAR, or BB/9)

I also have Montero still and he's 27, 81 OVR, 81 potential, pitching as the long man out of the bullpen in the majors.

4-1, 4.08 ERA, 39.2 IP, 0.23 WHIP, 1.76 WAR, 9.98 K/9, 0.23 BB/9.

I have other younger highly rated prospects but I thought some combo of these guys could get it done. Maybe a lower rated hitting prospect as a throw in.

Thanks for the quick responses btw.

Yeah, with Myers playing well I don't think those are pieces that are going to get it done. Gabriel Ynoa an 89 POT? Word? Matz has a 4.63 ERA and only a 0.36 WHIP? Is that physically possible?

Even with Rivero severely overrated (91 POT??? a starter??), I don't see it. Matz isn't enough either. It would take someone of deGrom's ilk even if you don't have deGrom anymore.

Repeat after me..."make it hurt." You need to offer up somebody you really don't want to trade to get Myers (someone the Padres don't want to trade). The whole quantity approach isn't gonna cut it.

[Mattchu12]

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Just want to toss this out there, is there a version of the Chapman trade with the Cubs where they land Javier Baez instead?

He's hit .160/.209/.305 with 10 HR, 29 RBI, and 3 SB for a -1.49 WAR

Anyway that Chapman (0.94 WAR) lands Baez (-1.49 WAR) and Warren (0.30 WAR)? Even if something has to be added?

[CBoller1331]

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Just want to toss this out there, is there a version of the Chapman trade with the Cubs where they land Javier Baez instead?

He's hit .160/.209/.305 with 10 HR, 29 RBI, and 3 SB for a -1.49 WAR

Anyway that Chapman (0.94 WAR) lands Baez (-1.49 WAR) and Warren (0.30 WAR)? Even if something has to be added?

If Baez is playing that bad....the cubs would trade him....but i don't know if anyone would want him. Something else is probably added on the Cubs side