MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Hey could you find me that report of the Reds concerns with Wheeler due to medicals ? Here's the link to the trade falling apart

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/mets-reds-jay-bruce-deal-working.html

And guys we got Yoenis Céspedes for Minor League pitchers Michael Fulmer and Luis Cessa ( years away for the show ) then Luis Cessa gets traded with another prospect for Justin Wilson. Idk where I'm going with this but there's something we got besides (33,48,34,32,45) that someone wants

If you want to make the trade make it, it doesn't bother me a bit. You're asking for upper end bats by trying to give quantity instead of quality. This is the same situation as the Indians wanting a big time bat. Teams know the strengths and want a pitcher from that strength.

What do you think Reds having concerns over the package meant? I remember watching a Mets game late July while they talked about that exact trade but whatever. Maybe someone else can tell you that package will get you whatever bat you want. Where would Smith play for the Reds? He can't push Votto out so he would have to move to provide for the big league club. It takes a team fit plus the right value. Not just value in a vacuum

[pootytang]

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Hey could you find me that report of the Reds concerns with Wheeler due to medicals ? Here's the link to the trade falling apart

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/mets-reds-jay-bruce-deal-working.html

And guys we got Yoenis Céspedes for Minor League pitchers Michael Fulmer and Luis Cessa ( years away for the show ) then Luis Cessa gets traded with another prospect for Justin Wilson. Idk where I'm going with this but there's something we got besides (33,48,34,32,45) that someone wants

Fulmer has Wheeler value to me.

The easy trade to make is Cargo-Wheeler.

Otherwise I think Dominic Smith/Nimmo/Molina is more than enough for Jay Bruce

[AC]

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People have different tastes and opinions...

And favorite teams

[Bard]

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And favorite teams

Well duh, everyone has bias. But this is also personal taste. I wouldn't deal Swihart for Moore, yet. If you would, cool beans...I wouldn't yet I see too much potential.

[AC]

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I know, just pointing out an important part of the decision making process

[Bard]

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I only have stats for Conley because I'm using OSFM and all injured players are in class a.
Conley- 4-5 3.72era 1.36 whip 8.67 k/9

Blue Jays have a few Bs. The ones I would consider trading would be the following- Davis, Harris, Ceciliani, Pentecost, I also have Vic Black which I signed as a free agent that is a B as well.
Davis (86 POT)
Harris (85 POT)
Pentecost (82 POT)
Ceciliani (82 POT)
Black (80 POT)

Thanks for the help

Any of those except Vic, and any C of your choice honestly. Not totally realistic, but Marlins should go for it.

[k_mac]

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Package man, and we have no idea about that yet.

Edit: plus he is still a spec, Moore has been injured and has had some not great seasons. So yes, they should do that deal and if I'm Boston I am hesitant.

A little bit late to the conversation, but nonetheless, my imput:

Matt Moore
2012: Was top 10 in the AL in strikeouts as a rookie with a sub 4 ERA in the AL East.. not bad for a 23 year old.
2013: Was an All-Star and finished 9th in CY Young voting
2014: Tore his UCL after 10IP and had TJS
2015: Rehabbing from TJS and made it back to the majors with poor to mixed results in less than 70 innings (very, very typical for TJS survivors not named Matt Harvey)
2016: Has shown that he can be effective without the same stuff he had pre-TJS in the super small sample size

"not so great seasons" is unwarranted, especially since he was injured. He's 26 years old, and in OP's franchise is pitching very well (3.2 ERA, 8 K/9 with a 4/1 K/BB 1.2 WHIP.. better than his ASG year peripherals). Add in that he is cost controlled until 2019.. That has some serious value. Because in-game, Matt Moore is showing that he has the ability to pitch very effectively at the major league level without his 96MPH fastball, meaning his secondary stuff is playing up and he's still getting guys to whiff.

The Rays would absolutely want Swihart, and they would get him too. A package of Chavis and Ball would get laughed at. Chavis hit like .200 last year in A ball and is a HUGE risk. Super high ceiling, but the odds are stacked against him if he can't actually put the bat on the ball. Trey Ball has been very, very bad, and will probably end up converting to the outfield since he can't develop a second or third offering. They don't have comparable value just because they were former first round picks.

I'd go as far as saying Matt Moore with those stats in 2016 at the break is worth Swihart + Kopech, maybe even more since it's coming from a division rival. I definitely understand overvaluing your guys, you aren't the first (and won't be the last to do it). But man, Swihart gets treated like an untouchable monster of a player around here.

[Danpagnepapi]

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At the end of the regular season of my first season with the Astros and about to start the ALDS after winning the division by 1 game over the Angels (If you're familiar with the schedules, they play eachother like 2 out of the last 3 series of the season so that was cool) Anyways, Carlos Gomez had a real good year for me something like 15 HR's, 65 RBI's, 28 SB's .280 Avg. His contract is up and with Altuve's up the year after if I remember correctly I'm trying to make sure I have enough cap to sign him to a big deal to keep him in Houston.

To get to the point, I'm not resigning Gomez and would like to know what it would take to get Joc Pederson from LA in the offseason. I don't have 30 team control so any deal has to fit what the game deems fair while I still want to keep it as realistic as possible. My whole farm system is still in tact as I held off on making trades at the deadline and I'm willing to part with basically anyone to get Pederson. At the same time I don't want it to be a simple "Give them Bregman and you're good."

Thanks in advance guys

[Bard]

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A little bit late to the conversation, but nonetheless, my imput:

Matt Moore
2012: Was top 10 in the AL in strikeouts as a rookie with a sub 4 ERA in the AL East.. not bad for a 23 year old.
2013: Was an All-Star and finished 9th in CY Young voting
2014: Tore his UCL after 10IP and had TJS
2015: Rehabbing from TJS and made it back to the majors with poor to mixed results in less than 70 innings (very, very typical for TJS survivors not named Matt Harvey)
2016: Has shown that he can be effective without the same stuff he had pre-TJS in the super small sample size

"not so great seasons" is unwarranted, especially since he was injured. He's 26 years old, and in OP's franchise is pitching very well (3.2 ERA, 8 K/9 with a 4/1 K/BB 1.2 WHIP.. better than his ASG year peripherals). Add in that he is cost controlled until 2019.. That has some serious value. Because in-game, Matt Moore is showing that he has the ability to pitch very effectively at the major league level without his 96MPH fastball, meaning his secondary stuff is playing up and he's still getting guys to whiff.

The Rays would absolutely want Swihart, and they would get him too. A package of Chavis and Ball would get laughed at. Chavis hit like .200 last year in A ball and is a HUGE risk. Super high ceiling, but the odds are stacked against him if he can't actually put the bat on the ball. Trey Ball has been very, very bad, and will probably end up converting to the outfield since he can't develop a second or third offering. They don't have comparable value just because they were former first round picks.

I'd go as far as saying Matt Moore with those stats in 2016 at the break is worth Swihart + Kopech, maybe even more since it's coming from a division rival. I definitely understand overvaluing your guys, you aren't the first (and won't be the last to do it). But man, Swihart gets treated like an untouchable monster of a player around here.

You left the stats so I'll leave those alone, he was good when he came up. He got injured, was meh in return, and is still a decent #3. Swihart is far from untouchable, we have three of those right now and he isn't one. I just wouldn't deal him unless an ace is coming back.

Edit: Also, putting bias aside. Yes the Rays would want Swihart and Kopech for Moore. However, the end deal would likely be Swihart and someone like Johnson with Chavis/Ball...I need to get past my personal feelings on this particular deal!

[pootytang]

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You left the stats so I'll leave those alone, he was good when he came up. He got injured, was meh in return, and is still a decent #3. Swihart is far from untouchable, we have three of those right now and he isn't one. I just wouldn't deal him unless an ace is coming back.

Edit: Also, putting bias aside. Yes the Rays would want Swihart and Kopech for Moore. However, the end deal would likely be Swihart and someone like Johnson with Chavis/Ball...I need to get past my personal feelings on this particular deal!

Just pulled the trigger on a Moore/C pitching prospect-Swihart/Kopech deal

Maybe a little one sided my way but Moore is on fire and the Red Sox have to pay an AL East tax

How good is Swihart's arm irl? As good as Christian Vazquez?

[Bard]

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Just pulled the trigger on a Moore/C pitching prospect-Swihart/Kopech deal

Maybe a little one sided my way but Moore is on fire and the Red Sox have to pay an AL East tax

How good is Swihart's arm irl? As good as Christian Vazquez?

From general view maybe a little, but with track history (David Price trade) you're fine. It's a good thing you gave up those two, and Swihart is more of an offensive catcher (hopefully develops) so no Christian is pretty far superior in every way behind the dish.

[AC]

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From general view maybe a little, but with track history (David Price trade) you're fine. It's a good thing you gave up those two, and Swihart is more of an offensive catcher (hopefully develops) so no Christian is pretty far superior in every way behind the dish.

That's somewhat concerning because Swihart has never hit particularly well for his age/level.

[jaysraptors_to]

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I'm playing fantasy draft franchise. I traded Manny Machado and Jose Bautista for Bryce Harper. Is this a fair deal or did I trade too much? What do you guys think?

[Bard]

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That's somewhat concerning because Swihart has never hit particularly well for his age/level.

It is but it isn't, power is the last tool to develop and it isn't like he is a bad catcher. He is still a prospect, just not as highly regarded as before. However, if someone doesn't think he is a headliner I disagree.

Edit: By the way AC sent you a PM with my email and stuff.

[k_mac]

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You left the stats so I'll leave those alone, he was good when he came up. He got injured, was meh in return, and is still a decent #3. Swihart is far from untouchable, we have three of those right now and he isn't one. I just wouldn't deal him unless an ace is coming back.

Edit: Also, putting bias aside. Yes the Rays would want Swihart and Kopech for Moore. However, the end deal would likely be Swihart and someone like Johnson with Chavis/Ball...I need to get past my personal feelings on this particular deal!

Trust me, I feel the same way about some Cubs guys (Baez) and it's hard to even grasp trading them for anything less than great return.. So I get it.

I think Swihart + Johnson + Chavis is a much better suggestion if Johnson is healthy. Chavis as a third guy/lottery ticket type on the end is a nice addition.

Just curious, who are your three "untouchables?" Moncada, Benintendi and ? Lol I'm not trying to debate if they're untouchable or not (because I don't think anybody is to an extent), just wanted your opinion.