MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

[benparillo102]

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I have a trade proposal that I need input on. Here's the situation: the Tigers (me) are in first place in the AL Central, the Astros are winning their division and have the best record in the AL. I need a platoon partner for James McCann and was interested in Jason Castro. He's playing awful and Saltalamacchia is doing poor but much better than Castro. Would a trade like this work?:

Tigers get: C Jason Castro (.170/ 1 HR/ 8 RBI) (full time backup to Gattis)

Astros get: C Jarrod Saltalamacchia (.231/ 4 HR/ 15 RBI), SP Matt Boyd (C Potential)

I understand it is not typical for contenders to trade with each other but if we swap players that are both struggling, play the same position, and have similar contract situations I think it could be an exception

[CBoller1331]

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Why do you want a backup catcher who is playing worse than your backup catcher?

[benparillo102]

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Why do you want a backup catcher who is playing worse than your backup catcher?

Because I can't hit with Salty and it would be a low risk change of scenery for both guys

[WaitTilNextYear]

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I haven't read through this yet to see if I agree with the premise or not, but here's an article on the history of Dave Dombrowski's trading career as a GM. Relevant after yesterday's trade.


EDIT: And here is the finale of the FanGraphs trade value series with links to prior articles.

[Still2REal]

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People are quick to point out certain GMs as geniuses and others as stupid.

Dombrowski and Duquetee deliver but are considered average, yet Friedman with 2-3 years of success in TB and now the highest payroll in baseball and no result beyond a playoff appearance is considered a genius.

Stewart is an idiot for trading for Shelby Miller yet none of those dudes he traded have done anything so far, and we won't really know about Swanson until a few years.

the point is that very few trades you achieve will be totally unreasonable. Unless you are trading for one of the games top tier prospects (real top tier not #1 in a down year). I wouldn't get too caught up in it.

So when someone says "it will never happen", make sure you evaluate the reason why they say it won't and then come up with mitigating factors. If you can't do it...then leave it alone

[GamecocksLaw17]

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People are quick to point out certain GMs as geniuses and others as stupid.

Dombrowski and Duquetee deliver but are considered average, yet Friedman with 2-3 years of success in TB and now the highest payroll in baseball and no result beyond a playoff appearance is considered a genius.

Stewart is an idiot for trading for Shelby Miller yet none of those dudes he traded have done anything so far, and we won't really know about Swanson until a few years.

the point is that very few trades you achieve will be totally unreasonable. Unless you are trading for one of the games top tier prospects (real top tier not #1 in a down year). I wouldn't get too caught up in it.

So when someone says "it will never happen", make sure you evaluate the reason why they say it won't and then come up with mitigating factors. If you can't do it...then leave it alone

We get it. You don't agree with the ones of us that post on here a lot. You've made your point.

The point of the thread is to help combat the terrible AI where the CPU will trade anyone and anything for garbage. I mean we've given you stats, examples, detailed articles about surplus value but all you do is say "hey look you're wrong. Here is an example of a terrible trade a real GM did so my example must be kosher."

Dombrowski managed to get Miggy and Dontrelle Willis for Andrew Miller and Cam Maybin. Does anyone think the Angels should send Trout and Richards for say Moncada and Benintendi. or Swanson/Albies or better example, Giolito and Trea Turner? I mean it has happened before so it MUST be realistic right?

Some of us put a lot of thought into our replies, we do research use sabermetrics, etc. We don't just say "nope unrealistic" because it is fun to do so.

[KBLover]

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Dombrowski managed to get Miggy and Dontrelle Willis for Andrew Miller and Cam Maybin. Does anyone think the Angels should send Trout and Richards for say Moncada and Benintendi. or Swanson/Albies or better example, Giolito and Trea Turner? I mean it has happened before so it MUST be realistic right?

(Not meant to be a direct response, per se, but this kinda prompted the rest)

It may help to define "realistic" or at least as is the definition used in this thread.

I mean, we can't say real life is unrealistic. That makes no sense. What is more real than reality? That would be like saying MLB The Show is more realistic than real pro baseball.

But the underlying reasons for saying what something "would never" [in the opinion of whoever is saying it and with the given that always/never are rarely literally true] could be very much reasonable and logical. Often times, that is the case.

IMO, when I read/hear "unrealistic" in the sense of trade, I read "very improbable, so find a more probable situation". Kind of like how sabermetricians like to say "luck", even though baseball really runs on physics, not true randomness (it exists, but not likely in the realm of physics that governs what happens in baseball). "Luck" = stuff not quantified, known/discoverable by current technology, or is unlikely to be repeatable by choice by the player.

But I'm so I'll go back to my corner and back to plotting my strategy for winning the 2022 World Series

But when [general] you hear "unrealistic", don't think literally "it could never happen in real life" because no one knows that. Most are guessing/thinking/evaluating on probable based on what they know about the organizations or any info leaked around.

Instead, think "highly improbable so perhaps find another avenue".

[Archanine]

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Dombrowski doesnt deliver. he doesnt have a WS ring as a GM despite usually having one of, if not the highest paid roster in baseball year in and year out.

[Still2REal]

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I mean, we can't say real life is unrealistic. That makes no sense. What is more real than reality? That would be like saying MLB The Show is more realistic than real pro baseball.

...

But when [general] you hear "unrealistic", don't think literally "it could never happen in real life" because no one knows that. Most are guessing/thinking/evaluating on probable based on what they know about the organizations or any info leaked around.

Instead, think "highly improbable so perhaps find another avenue".

This is all I meant with my statement. Wasn't trying to attack anyone's baseball knowledge.

Dombrowski doesnt deliver. he doesnt have a WS ring as a GM despite usually having one of, if not the highest paid roster in baseball year in and year out.

what was his role with the Marlins in '97?

[GamecocksLaw17]

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This is all I meant with my statement. Wasn't trying to attack anyone's baseball knowledge.



what was his role with the Marlins in '97?

So you don't have to Google it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_F...Marlins_season

Spoiler

He was the GM

[Archanine]

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This is all I meant with my statement. Wasn't trying to attack anyone's baseball knowledge.



what was his role with the Marlins in '97?

thanks for proving my point. 20 years. avergage GM, not enough baseball knowledgd or talent to be anything more

[GamecocksLaw17]

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thanks for proving my point. 20 years. avergage GM, not enough baseball knowledgd or talent to be anything more

How many GM's do you think have won between 1997 and 2016? Thats a small group you deem competent.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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So the only good GM's are Theo, Dayton Moore, Sabean, Brian Cashman, John Mozeliak, Kenny Williams, Part Gillick, Joe Garagiola Jr, Larry Beinfest, and Bill Stoneman.

A portion of these "elite" men are no longer employed as GM's so according to you there aren't even 10 decent GMs

[Tmizzle]

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How many GM's do you think have won between 1997 and 2016? Thats a small group you deem competent.

The guy you are arguing with seems to be eyeing that only good GM's win world series rings. That is like saying only good QB's win super bowl rings, it is a very shallow statement.

[Still2REal]

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So the only good GM's are Theo, Dayton Moore, Sabean, Brian Cashman, John Mozeliak, Kenny Williams, Part Gillick, Joe Garagiola Jr, Larry Beinfest, and Bill Stoneman.

A portion of these "elite" men are no longer employed as GM's so according to you there aren't even 10 decent GMs

dude is trolling...pay him no mind.

For the record: My earlier post was actually trying to give guys who get rejected by you all a way out.

Ex: Ross for Gallo before the season? Answer = "NO", at that point maybe they can throw in Prince Fielder or Shin Soo Choo bad contracts and there might be a chance.