Breaking pitches.

[Gagnon39]

Has anyone else noticed how breaking pitches have different breaks from the same pitcher? Example sometimes a curveball is basically a 12-6 break (as shown on the classic ball marker prior to the pitch: with the yellow arrows). Next time I throw it, it's closer to a 12-8. Jake Arrieta's curve in particular can go from 12-6 to 12-8, and even break the other way at 12-5.

I'm curious if there's any way to control which way we want the ball to break.

[spitoon]

Re: Breaking pitches.

Has anyone else noticed how breaking pitches have different breaks from the same pitcher? Example sometimes a curveball is basically a 12-6 break (as shown on the classic ball marker prior to the pitch: with the yellow arrows). Next time I throw it, it's closer to a 12-8. Jake Arrieta's curve in particular can go from 12-6 to 12-8, and even break the other way at 12-5.

I'm curious if there's any way to control which way we want the ball to break.

I noticed this in the first game I played. Oddly it was with Arrieta as well. Sometimes is shows a true 12-6 curve, but it can vary greatly from pitch to pitch. Not sure if its a 'bug' (because not every pitch that a pitcher throws is exactly the same) but I don't remember it happening last year.

[Greencollarbaseball]

Re: Breaking pitches.

Cosart's 12-6 does the same.


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[bacon96]

Re: Breaking pitches.

I'm pretty sure they said this would happen. It's to simulate effort, consistency and arm angle. At least that's what it feels like to me.

[kooch66]

Re: Breaking pitches.

I've seen it a lot and it's not just the curve. Oddly, if you step off then pick the same pitch it "resets" to the usual break so maybe it's a glitch?

[KBLover]

Re: Breaking pitches.

Yep. Seen it in last year and maybe 2014 also. Maybe even 2013. I knew Guerrieri had a 12-6 curve that year and sometimes it acted like a screwball.

I think it's pretty interesting.

I've also seen it on forkballs and knuckle-curves, too. Might be any of the "exotic" pitches.

[Mysterious]

Re: Breaking pitches.

No pitcher is going to throw the pitch exact every pitch.... even 2 seam fastballs trail differently....energy, confidence, accuracy of your windup/release, depth in the count I'm sure all affect variables of how ultimately runs which is good

[GodOfNugget]

Re: Breaking pitches.

Yeah I've noticed this too. Mostly on offspeed/curveball pitches. I figured the devs were trying to emulate someone's 2 strike curveball being different than their no strike curveball? So it's dependant on the count. Just a theory though haven't actually tested this out.

[TheWarmWind]

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I've figured out a "cheat" to work around a break you don't like. I have the classic ball marker on, showing the predicted break, so I'm not sure this works with all settings.

Basically, when you pick curveball, it will show the break. If you don't like it, step off the mound and pick curveball again. On second thought I didn't need the quotes this is very much cheating.

[stretch150]

Re: Breaking pitches.

Wonder if same thing happens in carryover seasons? Anybody know


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[TheWarmWind]

Re: Breaking pitches.

Wonder if same thing happens in carryover seasons? Anybody know


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Yup. That's pretty much all I've played.

[BBallcoach]

Re: Breaking pitches.

I noticed this last night too, but it was only when I was struggling to throw strikes. I thought it was a cool consistency thing.

[NDAlum]

Re: Breaking pitches.

This should be categorized as a bug. Curves can be 12-6 but not go into the arm side. It'll go straight down or go away.

If it goes to the arm side it's technically not a curve ball any longer.

I really hope this isn't an intentional design because it's not even remotely realistic.

[Gagnon39]

Re: Breaking pitches.

This should be categorized as a bug. Curves can be 12-6 but not go into the arm side. It'll go straight down or go away.

If it goes to the arm side it's technically not a curve ball any longer.

I really hope this isn't an intentional design because it's not even remotely realistic.

I've kind of thought this as well.

If the developers are trying to simulate different breaks that's all well and good. However, I would just assume to have the same "indicated" break every time but just with a different result. Take a fastball for example. You place the ball marker where you want and pitch. Sometimes it goes perfectly straight, sometimes it rises just a hair, and other times in make break a bit. But I don't want to see it in the display prior to the pitch.

On the other hand, I agree with a 12-6 curve. It shouldn't break armside.

[oldtimey]

Re: Breaking pitches.

To any of you who think that the lack of consistency with breaking balls is a bug or a glitch: Have you ever tried to throw a breaking pitch in real life? As a former pitcher who threw a 12-6 curve (then, we called it a "drop"), I only threw a good one when all the variables were in line--grip, stride, release point, etc. Sometimes it would "back up," winding up on my arm side of the plate. I would also have to adjust stride, drive and release point the first time I threw one from the stretch position. Also, when fatigue crept in, that would also affect the consistency of its movement. And then, there were days when I would come out of the bullpen without throwing a decent one in warmups, only to have it fall off the table in the game (and visa versa). It would not be realistic to be able to achieve perfect 12-6 rotation and location on every pitch. Depending on your variables, it sometimes will look a little like a screwball, or dive into the dirt, especially a knuckle or spike curve ball. The best pitchers maintain consistency with their breaking pitches when they can keep their mechanics consistent. But, even then, nobody is perfect. You will get those days when everythlng is working on the mound, but those are rare times. I watch all of my games cpu-v-cpu and I think The Show's simulation of the pitching aspect of baseball is pretty realistic, in my opinion.