Blatant AI Cheating

[countryboy]

Re: Blatant AI Cheating

I dont believe the game cheats, but it does make it harder on players with errors at the wrong time to make it more "exciting" almost like another way to challenge players.

Cheating no, but its not as cut and dry as some "veterans" around here like to believe.

No evidence of this "challenging the user" in my playing time with the game.

[bcruise]

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Haha I'm not saying there's AI cheating but some of those innings man. Here's me getting my *** handed to me despite hitting the pitching meter spots. I get a 3-0 quick count in the final at-bat and you can see me just give up and throw one right down the middle to Delmon Young with a white head.

https://youtu.be/er_cLOO2P24?t=6m1s

The highlight reel shows I was up 7-0 at one point. At least I killed their pitcher earlier in the game.

The game has to impose hard losses or it's not baseball, in my opinion.

Seems like your gripe might be more with QC than the AI here - you had some pretty bad luck to end up in some long counts in game-deciding situations. Gave up two hits to a couple of pretty good hitters, made a great 3-2 pitch but didn't get a call or swing, and then (perhaps because of tilt or something) you throw a 3-0 fastball aimed right down the middle. You wouldn't get away with that if it was Madbum or Kershaw pitching, let alone 73 H/9 Lance Lynn.

I can't tell what the pitching was like from the earlier rallies in the game, so I can't comment on those. But to me, that 9th inning looked like baseball. There's always going to be some loss of control over the game's outcome if you play with QC on, and if that's going to make you upset if/when it costs you games, you might want to consider playing without it.

JMO.

[oldtimey]

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There is a "comback code" in The Show. But this same "code" exists in real baseball. It's most common name is "momentum." When the wave of momentum swings from one team to another, something happens to the players involved. Hawk Harrelson refers to it, colorfully, as "sphincters tightening." When this happens to players errors are made, curveballs hang and mistakes are made that will cause a team to blow a game that they thought was in the bag. Also, games of chance are streaky by nature, and all simulations boil down to is one dice-roll after another to determine results. Sometimes, the dice roll very hot one way. It just happens. That's your "comeback code." That's baseball. I love that I see this in The Show. I watch all of my games cpu-vs-cpu. Today, I saw 2b Goins of TOR let a ball go right thru his legs in the bottom of the 9th, with 2 out, allowing PR Davis to score from second for a walkoff Cleveland win. That's cool. It happens. Go get 'em tomorrow.

[countryboy]

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There is a "comback code" in The Show. But this same "code" exists in real baseball. It's most common name is "momentum." When the wave of momentum swings from one team to another, something happens to the players involved. Hawk Harrelson refers to it, colorfully, as "sphincters tightening." When this happens to players errors are made, curveballs hang and mistakes are made that will cause a team to blow a game that they thought was in the bag. Also, games of chance are streaky by nature, and all simulations boil down to is one dice-roll after another to determine results. Sometimes, the dice roll very hot one way. It just happens. That's your "comeback code." That's baseball. I love that I see this in The Show. I watch all of my games cpu-vs-cpu. Today, I saw 2b Goins of TOR let a ball go right thru his legs in the bottom of the 9th, with 2 out, allowing PR Davis to score from second for a walkoff Cleveland win. That's cool. It happens. Go get 'em tomorrow.

[Biizz713]

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Yep, that is most clearly a bug and as mentioned above if there truly was some code the cpu would have just hit a HR.

The guy gave up 8 runs to get to that point, the problem in this scenario falls on the user, not the game.

I don't see it that way. If the CPU had hit a HR on that pitch instead of grounding it to third I can assure you I wouldn't have made this thread. It would seem really fishy, especially because of what transpired to get to that point, but I would have just charged it to the game.

No point in wasting time being mad about the Rockies hitting HRs in Coors no matter how sketchy things seemed, even if it was AI comeback code how could I even begin to prove such a thing? But that isn't what happened. The Rockies conveniently start getting all of the calls from the umpire. They conveniently start hitting HRs on low and away pitches. They conveniently start getting base hits on balls outside the zone. The game conveniently makes me chuck the ball into the stands. The game conveniently allows the runners to continue advancing until it conveniently allows me to morph to get the ball as the runner is rounding 3rd.

I believe in coincidences, I do not believe in 5 or 6 coincidences all coming together at the perfect time to create a specific result.

[kehlis]

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I don't see it that way. If the CPU had hit a HR on that pitch instead of grounding it to third I can assure you I wouldn't have made this thread. It would seem really fishy, especially because of what transpired to get to that point, but I would have just charged it to the game.

No point in wasting time being mad about the Rockies hitting HRs in Coors no matter how sketchy things seemed, even if it was AI comeback code how could I even begin to prove such a thing? But that isn't what happened. The Rockies conveniently start getting all of the calls from the umpire. They conveniently start hitting HRs on low and away pitches. They conveniently start getting base hits on balls outside the zone. The game conveniently makes me chuck the ball into the stands. The game conveniently allows the runners to continue advancing until it conveniently allows me to morph to get the ball as the runner is rounding 3rd.

I believe in coincidences, I do not believe in 5 or 6 coincidences all coming together at the perfect time to create a specific result.

What about the other 8 runs you gave up?

[zub65]

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I have played in enough games to know there seems to be a lot of odd "occurrences" that seems to happen in the ninth inning. More so than any other inning. Passed balls down the middle of the plate, missed pop ups, throws in the dirt. Not sure if this is a "clutch" rating thing or what. I understand that the pitcher will lose confidence but it shouldn't affect your fielder's ability to perform. I understand that the breaks won't always go your way. You could flip a coin and have it land on "heads" six or seven times in a row. So a group of unusual events does happen. As far as momentum goes. it's something I don't believe in. It's a cheap cliche announcers use. What is momentum exactly? And what value does it really have? I get sick of a football announcer tell me a team has momentum after an interception, only to have that team fumble on the next play. Tell me how did that "momentum" help?

[buziii]

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It's a full-on video game conspiracy!!!

I bet this goes much higher than SDS or Sony. We need congressional hearings to get to the bottom of this one!

[Ghost Of The Year]

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I believe in coincidences, I do not believe in 5 or 6 coincidences all coming together at the perfect time to create a specific result.

How often have you seen that 'perfect storm'? Was this the first time? 5th straight time?

[BeatArmy]

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This thread totally validates the " If this happened..." Thread.

[Ghost Of The Year]

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It's a full-on video game conspiracy!!!

I bet this goes much higher than SDS or Sony. We need congressional hearings to get to the bottom of this one!

Way higher than SDS Sony or even congress. Like Tom Brady level high.
I personally suspect Brady myself. Probably a lot of Red Sox cpu ai cheating if truth be known.

[kaptainkarl76]

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I've been playing since the show began..There has always been something fishy and I am convinced that there is..I have played too many games to know when I am being cheated

Despite what any developer says..They want to sell the game..Saying that there is a "comeback" code would completely trash sales..

[KBLover]

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Way higher than SDS Sony or even congress. Like Tom Brady level high.
I personally suspect Brady myself. Probably a lot of Red Sox cpu ai cheating if truth be known.

Yeah, that CPU team obviously had the "that guy Brady was talking to" deflate the baseball so it would be harder to field and throw.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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I have played in enough games to know there seems to be a lot of odd "occurrences" that seems to happen in the ninth inning. More so than any other inning. Passed balls down the middle of the plate, missed pop ups, throws in the dirt. Not sure if this is a "clutch" rating thing or what. I understand that the pitcher will lose confidence but it shouldn't affect your fielder's ability to perform. I understand that the breaks won't always go your way. You could flip a coin and have it land on "heads" six or seven times in a row. So a group of unusual events does happen. As far as momentum goes. it's something I don't believe in. It's a cheap cliche announcers use. What is momentum exactly? And what value does it really have? I get sick of a football announcer tell me a team has momentum after an interception, only to have that team fumble on the next play. Tell me how did that "momentum" help?

This stuff happens in all the other innings, too. This is the main problem with the argument that something fishy is going on. It's 100% USER bias and the USER notices these things more when the game's on the line. You can say we humans are predisposed to be glitched in our perceptions.

[Jr.]

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It's pretty simple to explain. These occurrences stick out because they changed the outcome. It's rare that someone remembers a random error in the 5th inning of a 4 run game because it had no direct impact on the outcome.

But when that random error happens in the 9th of a tie game, you absolutely remember it because it's more impactful.

As for the OP, that's simply a bug. It's been in this game and others before where a ball goes out of play but the game still registers it as live.