Blatant AI Cheating

[Grinder12000]

Re: Blatant AI Cheating

I'm just going to say it is important to also remember that the AI can learn in this game.

Except for Chris Carter it seems.

[Jolly Roger]

Re: Blatant AI Cheating

The exact same thing happened to me, but I thought it was just a glitch/bug.

Even though I was jesting, that sort of scenario doesn't feel that far off from what often seems to happen to me when I've got a lead in the final innings of the game. It may not be specifically coded into the game, but pitcher confidence is, and it may be that which is overpowered?

Off-topic, I've always wanted a batter who is being intentionally walked to step in front of the catcher and mash that batting practice soft toss into the stands...

[Ghost Of The Year]

Re: Blatant AI Cheating

Off-topic, I've always wanted a batter who is being intentionally walked to step in front of the catcher and mash that batting practice soft toss into the stands...

When Miggy was still a Marlinm, he did that, but hit one for a single, driving in a run.
He didn't have to even stepr across the plate to do it either. I suspect Vlad Guerrrero could have done it if he wanted. It would be nice if the pitchers control had some affect on his IBB attempt, occasionally throwing one close enough to be hit.
However (& back on topic) if the CPU did this to a HUM player, that would induce a thread about blatant AI cheating. Oh, wait.

[Jr.]

Re: Blatant AI Cheating

Off-topic, I've always wanted a batter who is being intentionally walked to step in front of the catcher and mash that batting practice soft toss into the stands...

Well the batter would be out if they stepped over the plate to hit it, so I doubt you'll ever see that.

[kaptainkarl76]

Re: Blatant AI Cheating

So you believe that the devs are lying when they say there is no comeback code?


But the bigger question that I have is that if you feel the game is cheating you, why do you continue to buy it every year, especially if you believe that you're going to be cheated when playing? Why would you "waste" your money for what has got to be a frustrating experience?

Yes..yes I do or at the very least misleading..It's all about the moolah..And that's okay..Every company has its own secrets unknown to the public..

I continue to buy it because I love the game of baseball and it is the only option available..and despite its flaws, it is the closest to the real thing as I am going to get..Do I feel every single game is a frustrating experience? No..absolutely not..If it was, I would not touch the game..I am not a sore loser and have lost many games..but there are many games that were very predictable and it isn't hard to see patterns..Like Trophies, they feel scripted to me when I achieve them..

[KBLover]

Re: Blatant AI Cheating

Yes..yes I do or at the very least misleading..

If that's the case, why doesn't it happen every single time and why is it possible to blow out the CPU team?

Shouldn't the "comeback code" make it so that never happens and the game is "always" close?

[countryboy]

Re: Blatant AI Cheating

Yes..yes I do or at the very least misleading..It's all about the moolah..And that's okay..Every company has its own secrets unknown to the public.

So SDS are liars and there is a big conspiracy within the gaming industry???.....

Well....lets just say that you and I highly disagree on this topic.

I continue to buy it because I love the game of baseball and it is the only option available..

There is RBI baseball.

and despite its flaws, it is the closest to the real thing as I am going to get..Do I feel every single game is a frustrating experience? No..absolutely not..If it was, I would not touch the game..I am not a sore loser and have lost many games..but there are many games that were very predictable and it isn't hard to see patterns..Like Trophies, they feel scripted to me when I achieve them..

So what triggers the comeback code? If its there something has to trigger it because by your own admission it doesn't happen every game. So what is the trigger? What are the patterns?

[kaptainkarl76]

Re: Blatant AI Cheating

So SDS are liars and there is a big conspiracy within the gaming industry???.....

Well....lets just say that you and I highly disagree on this topic.



There is RBI baseball.



So what triggers the comeback code? If its there something has to trigger it because by your own admission it doesn't happen every game. So what is the trigger? What are the patterns?

It's okay to disagree..it's also okay to have an opinion..And no, I do not think there is a huge conspiracy..But I do believe where there is smoke, there is fire..And do believe that a studio isn't going to tell you all their little secrets..Listen, I'm not the only person who believes this..

As for what triggers it? Heck if I know..I'm not a programmer...As for patterns, I'll start keeping a log for you..I can't prove there is such a code..but you can't prove there isn't either..

[Ghost Of The Year]

Re: Blatant AI Cheating

I do believe where there is smoke, there is fire..And do believe that a studio isn't going to tell you all their little secrets. I can't prove there is such a code..but you can't prove there isn't either..

I have no problem with a company having secrets, but that is a far cry from lying to the consumer. I don't feel like SDS has lied about anything. And that is the proof there isn't a code, the dev's have said as such, and if anyone knows it;s those who make the game. If there was a code then SDS just wouldn;t comment on it if it needed to remain a trade secret. Very bad business to lie about it and say there wasn't one But you're right, we can all sure agree there isn;t proof that a code exists.

[Smallville102001]

Re: Blatant AI Cheating

Of course I try and take advantage of it but what I'm saying is with zone hitting it's easy to miss. guys miss meat pitches lots in real life too. The CPU isn't going to though. Honestly in key situations the CPU is going to hurt you 90 percent of the time if you miss your spots. where as i might have success 30 to 40 percent of ty he time. If you play zone hitting there's no way your going to have a 90 percent success rate. If your telling me that you play zone and strictly hit by following where the pitch goes intead of looking to pitches or spots and have a great deal of success than you have some seriously fantastic reflexes.

The only way I see the CPU take advantage of a mistake pitch 90% of the time is if I play on Legend. When it comes to hitting I play zone and I strictly hit by following the pitch. I almost hardly look for a location or pitch type and I have success and I know I am not even close to the most skilled person on hear. I find looking for a spot doesn't work because you are most likely not going to get that spot any way and just going to be in a 0-2, 1-2 hole or end up taking a pitch you shouldn't take. Really about the only thing I look for is if I am in a 2-0 count or if it is the first pitch of a at bat I will try to only swing if it is right down the middle of the plate because in real life you shouldn't really swing in less it is right down the middle of the plate on the first pitch and on a 2-0 count even if you take a strike you are still ahead in the count going to the next pitch. I don't think many people even play the look for pitch way.

[azstdogg]

Re: Blatant AI Cheating

It's okay to disagree..it's also okay to have an opinion..And no, I do not think there is a huge conspiracy..But I do believe where there is smoke, there is fire..And do believe that a studio isn't going to tell you all their little secrets..Listen, I'm not the only person who believes this..

As for what triggers it? Heck if I know..I'm not a programmer...As for patterns, I'll start keeping a log for you..I can't prove there is such a code..but you can't prove there isn't either..

At one point there was comeback code.


Image from saintjimbo1885, post #159, in last year's version of this topic.

The data I pulled last year aligned quite nicely with this description (the bigger the lead, the more likely a trailing team was to score runs in later innings). However, the devs said the code was deleted and another user was able to run sims suggesting that this pattern might expected assuming equal distribution of ability to score runs per inning.

Anyway, I'd be interested if you keep a log of your games as to any patterns you might see.

[Knight165]

Re: Blatant AI Cheating

At one point there was comeback code.


Image from saintjimbo1885, post #159, in last year's version of this topic.

The data I pulled last year aligned quite nicely with this description (the bigger the lead, the more likely a trailing team was to score runs in later innings). However, the devs said the code was deleted and another user was able to run sims suggesting that this pattern might expected assuming equal distribution of ability to score runs per inning.

Anyway, I'd be interested if you keep a log of your games as to any patterns you might see.

It was a less than 5 point boost to the CPU contact and/or a less than 5 point boost to CPU pitching.
Some comeback code.


...and how many years ago was that OPTION?

Haha...straws being handed out.

M.K.
Knight165

[countryboy]

Re: Blatant AI Cheating

It's okay to disagree..it's also okay to have an opinion..And no, I do not think there is a huge conspiracy..But I do believe where there is smoke, there is fire..And do believe that a studio isn't going to tell you all their little secrets..Listen, I'm not the only person who believes this..

As for what triggers it? Heck if I know..I'm not a programmer...As for patterns, I'll start keeping a log for you..I can't prove there is such a code..but you can't prove there isn't either..

My proof is that the developers have said that it doesn't exist. And my experience is that such a code or cheat doesn't exist. And I'm not the one out calling developers liars, so I have nothing to prove.

[countryboy]

Re: Blatant AI Cheating

It was a less than 5 point boost to the CPU contact and/or a less than 5 point boost to CPU pitching.
Some comeback code.


...and how many years ago was that OPTION?

Haha...straws being handed out.

M.K.
Knight165

People want to claim that the devs are liars and that comeback code exists, but yet no one will take the time to try to actually explain how it happens other than the basic formula of I had a lead and then I lost.

[saucerset]

Re: Blatant AI Cheating

I lose late in the game all the time. But then again I am the Mariners and I have their bullpen.