MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

[milldaddy35]

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With those numbers and his contract, he's not worth anything really. Teams that are looking for pitching can find a guy in the minors to give them a 7.53 ERA

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If his numbers come down a little bit (he has been doing a little better recently) and settles around a 4 ERA what would he be worth?

[hampshirestags]

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So then you'd also think Eugenio Suarez has that much value too? He's pre arb, he has a career wRC+ of 102 just like Lamb. Suarez is a better defender that can play SS and he has some pop with a prior 20+ HR season. I still think Shaw and his roughly 900 ABs at 98 wRC+ is a closer comp to Lamb than Wil Myers and his 112 wRC+ and more athleticism.

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No, I don't think E.Suarez has the value of J.Lamb. I think we'd both agree that wRC+ is a better offensive measurement but that is not was is used in arbitration. Also, arbitration is figured on the previous season, not career totals. Just looking at '16, Suarez has 8hr/21rbi less than Lamb. Using his numbers, he would earn less in arb. On the other side of the coin, Suarez was also almost 1 less WAR than Lamb which means less of a total dollar surplus even if the delta % is the same for both players.

I looked at T.Shaw. First, that deal was a loss for BOS. Dombrowski overpaid by quite a bit in an open bidding, exploding market but he did so from (at the time) as position of surplus/strength. Losing those players would not impact the MLB team and adding Thorny, in theory, would help the MLB today and in the future. So coming back to what we said yesterday, it's a bad trade comp.

Second, he is not a good comp for arbitration or surplus valuing as he is well below the offensive output of Lamb. 13hr/20rbi drops him a full level down. His WAR is inflated due to 25% of his season being played at 1B and receiving favorable defensive ratings at that position. He comes back down to Earth while playing 3B.

Neither guy has shown 2 WAR while Lamb has given us back to back 2 WAR seasons. Like I said, the hardest thing was finding a 1st arb eligible player with stats close enough that if I felt an adjustment was needed, it would be slightly down, not slightly up. I couldn't use career numbers and had to use the last full season of data available. So while Myers>Lamb>Suarez>Shaw, the gap for arbitration is less between Myers & Lamb because defensive metrics are not taken into account. Also, while the gap from Lamb & Suarez is present, from a 50k ft. level, the % difference between earnings and WAR is similar so he becomes a cheaper version of Lamb, not the other way around. Everything I look for Shaw tells me he doesn't belong in this conversation.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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No, I don't think E.Suarez has the value of J.Lamb. I think we'd both agree that wRC+ is a better offensive measurement but that is not was is used in arbitration. Also, arbitration is figured on the previous season, not career totals. Just looking at '16, Suarez has 8hr/21rbi less than Lamb. Using his numbers, he would earn less in arb. On the other side of the coin, Suarez was also almost 1 less WAR than Lamb which means less of a total dollar surplus even if the delta % is the same for both players.

I looked at T.Shaw. First, that deal was a loss for BOS. Dombrowski overpaid by quite a bit in an open bidding, exploding market but he did so from (at the time) as position of surplus/strength. Losing those players would not impact the MLB team and adding Thorny, in theory, would help the MLB today and in the future. So coming back to what we said yesterday, it's a bad trade comp.

Second, he is not a good comp for arbitration or surplus valuing as he is well below the offensive output of Lamb. 13hr/20rbi drops him a full level down. His WAR is inflated due to 25% of his season being played at 1B and receiving favorable defensive ratings at that position. He comes back down to Earth while playing 3B.

Neither guy has shown 2 WAR while Lamb has given us back to back 2 WAR seasons. Like I said, the hardest thing was finding a 1st arb eligible player with stats close enough that if I felt an adjustment was needed, it would be slightly down, not slightly up. I couldn't use career numbers and had to use the last full season of data available. So while Myers>Lamb>Suarez>Shaw, the gap for arbitration is less between Myers & Lamb because defensive metrics are not taken into account. Also, while the gap from Lamb & Suarez is present, from a 50k ft. level, the % difference between earnings and WAR is similar so he becomes a cheaper version of Lamb, not the other way around. Everything I look for Shaw tells me he doesn't belong in this conversation.

I can see that. But why would a team trade a top 15 prospect who is absolutely raking at 20 years old in AA for a guy they can expect yo provide about 2 to 2.5 WAR a year.

Also ARB likes homers so he'll likely make more in ARB lowering his surplus. Another thing. Players get negative defensive value when playing 1st so it wouldn't help Shaw. Go look at how many 1B had a positive defensive value on FG. It's low because is a easy position on the defensive spectrum.

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[MOJOMORRO]

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Finally found my real franchise after 4 different teams.

Orioles nearing the deadline at .500, and with Boston and Toronto both around 10 games over, our hopes look pretty dashed; but I also think some guys right now have value that is a lot more than what you'd normally expect

What can I be expecting to get for the following:

1. Gausman (Not trading him unless I can get something REALLY nice in return): 10-6, 3.28 ERA, 113 innings and 98 K's, 1.28 WHIP
2. Tillman: 4-6, 2.99 ERA (Yes, that is no typo), 102 innings, 74 K's, 1.13 WHIP (I think I can really get a nice piece in return for him)
3. O'Day: 0-1, 1.14 ERA, 24 innings, 24 K's
4. Zach Britton: 3-0, 0.61 ERAm 30 Innings, 23 K's (Again, I really think I can get something nice and maybe even above his normal value)
5. OF Adam Jones: .275 AVG, 14 HR's, 40 RBI
6. OF Mike Trumbo: .262 AVG, 16 HR's, 43 RBI's (Has been on 10 day DL twice this year, and therefore has missed 17 games)

I will be playing around and might have some potential trades up within the next hour or two; but I would appreciate a few ideas around what level of prospects I should shoot for.

Teams in it: BOS, TOR, CLE, HOU, TEX, DET, WAS, CHC (Thinking they may be a fit for a Britton and Jones package), LAD, SF, STL

[whodeycin85]

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Could Stanton from the Marlins land Darvish,choo and marza from the Rangers?

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[MOJOMORRO]

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Some potential trades as I posted about earlier:

CLE Receives: O'Day, Trumbo
BAL Receives: 1B Bobby Bradley (B Pot, 64 Overall), RP Kyle Crockett (C Pot, 75 Overall), and maybe SS Eric Stammets (C Pot, 69 Overall)

CHC Receives: Adam Jones, Zach Britton
BAL Receives: Either Almora (Preferred) or Happ, Dillon Cease (B Pot, 61 Overall)

LAD Receives: Trumbo (A good bat for hitting lefties, something LAD doesn't exactly have)
BAL Receives: Trayce Thompson

TEX Receives: Chris Tillman
BAL Receives: Jose Trevino (B Pot, 69 Overall)

Still can't find anything for Gausman, and not sure if there are better options for Britton and Jones and O'Day

[milldaddy35]

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What would the Twins get for SP Kyle Gibson? 57.2 innings pitched, 3-2, 37 K/23BB, 1.13 WHIP, 3.12 ERA. Thinking I could sell him a little higher because of how he is pitching.

[milldaddy35]

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Could Stanton from the Marlins land Darvish,choo and marza from the Rangers?

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I don't see Stanton being traded, period. He just signed a massive contract with Miami, which means he wants to be there, and the team is committed to him. However, if you did go for him I think it could land Darvish, Marza, and a mid-B prospect.

[MrSerendipity]

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It's low because is a easy position on the defensive spectrum.

[BlueJays09]

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Looking at the standings after the first month of the season. There are 5 teams 8 games back of the wild card spot. Milwaukee, Washington, Oakland, Miami and San Diego.

Looking at the Brewers and nationals. What would it cost for Braun or Daniel Murphy from the Blue Jays? Would either be attainable if their teams are out of it?


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Think this might have gotten overlook d a couple pages back. Any help would be greatly appreciated

Thanks!


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[GamecocksLaw17]

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Think this might have gotten overlook d a couple pages back. Any help would be greatly appreciated

Thanks!


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Vlad Jr to get Murphy and start with Alford or SRF for Braun. We can go more in depth on packages if you want but neither is very realistic

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[The Chef]

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So, first foray into this thread so hopefully I don't come off looking like a completely uneducated fool in the process. I'm sitting 18-13 as Seattle, 0.5 game up on LA Angels for the division but obviously its early. My entire offense, and I mean ENTIRE offense is sparked by Nelson Cruz who is top 2 in every team category there is including having 39 RBI's through 31 games, unfortunately he just fractured his arm and is out 1-2 months. I know it's early but this offense can't survive without Cruz, especially with Valencia already on the DL for the same 1-2 months on top of it. With all that out of the way, is there any scenerio where Detroit parts with Victor Martinez? The Seattle farm looks rather depleted but I'm a Dodgers fan so don't really follow Seattle all that closely so maybe there is someone I'm missing that makes the deal worthwhile. Detroit is sitting at 15-16 in the cellar of the Central but only 2.5 games behind Chicago as well as 2.5 out of the Wild Card.

Victor Martinez - 30/118 (.254), 10 Runs, 5 HR's, 18 RBI's, 0.323 OBP, 0.432 Slugging, 0.0 WAR, 0.178 ISO, 16.2 RC and owed $7.3 Million for this season and next.

Any other suggestions for a power hitter who won't kill my average that could be a possibility? Defense doesn't matter as obviously I can DH him.

EDIT - I'd much rather get Tomas from Arizona just looking over who was offered to me for RF Kyle Lewis (A Potential), Arizona offered me Tomas and Hank Conger for Lewis, no idea how fair that is so I turn to those here to get an opinion.

[MOJOMORRO]

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What can a Wilson Ramos get after getting selected as starting catcher in ASG hitting .303 with 10 HR's and 49 RBI's?

[BlueJays09]

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Vlad Jr to get Murphy and start with Alford or SRF for Braun. We can go more in depth on packages if you want but neither is very realistic

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Damn. Figured if Toronto was competing and Milwaukee was out then Braun could be attainable for Toronto. Maybe I'll wait another month and continue to look for another bat


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[MrSerendipity]

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So, first foray into this thread so hopefully I don't come off looking like a completely uneducated fool in the process. I'm sitting 18-13 as Seattle, 0.5 game up on LA Angels for the division but obviously its early. My entire offense, and I mean ENTIRE offense is sparked by Nelson Cruz who is top 2 in every team category there is including having 39 RBI's through 31 games, unfortunately he just fractured his arm and is out 1-2 months. I know it's early but this offense can't survive without Cruz, especially with Valencia already on the DL for the same 1-2 months on top of it. With all that out of the way, is there any scenerio where Detroit parts with Victor Martinez? The Seattle farm looks rather depleted but I'm a Dodgers fan so don't really follow Seattle all that closely so maybe there is someone I'm missing that makes the deal worthwhile. Detroit is sitting at 15-16 in the cellar of the Central but only 2.5 games behind Chicago as well as 2.5 out of the Wild Card.

Victor Martinez - 30/118 (.254), 10 Runs, 5 HR's, 18 RBI's, 0.323 OBP, 0.432 Slugging, 0.0 WAR, 0.178 ISO, 16.2 RC and owed $7.3 Million for this season and next.

Any other suggestions for a power hitter who won't kill my average that could be a possibility? Defense doesn't matter as obviously I can DH him.

EDIT - I'd much rather get Tomas from Arizona just looking over who was offered to me for RF Kyle Lewis (A Potential), Arizona offered me Tomas and Hank Conger for Lewis, no idea how fair that is so I turn to those here to get an opinion.

I think the first bit of info you'll get from our heavy hitters is that it's really early in the season, which makes it difficult to assess if Detroit or Arizona are going to be buyers or sellers this season. Especially given Detroit is sitting around .500. With that said, if you really like Tomas, I can assure you that you can get him and that you won't spend much to do so. His value, as we learned in this thread earlier, is very low. Arizona probably wouldn't mind being done with that contract. Just note, his defense is atrocious, so you're going to have a DH issue when Cruz is back off the DL.

You could probably do a straight up swap for with Arizona in which SEA gets Tomas and ARI gets Chase De Jong. If you get any follow-up on this deal, it will be that you're overpaying. But if you really want Tomas, that trade should get it done.