MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

[GamecocksLaw17]

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I don't know about Gamecock but I guess...a lot. I'll say this about your latest attempt to retool the Diamondbacks...it feels like you didn't fire anybody in the ARZ front office. Honestly, I don't like any of your deals. Not the least of which you're looking to trade almost half your MLB roster the year after you traded your star, stud and Cy Young contender.

I like Tate and Andujar. You have 2 guys that have a real shot at being decent ball players. However, I think you're crazy for trading Lamb. Cost controlled 3B studs in the NL go Bryant, Lamb and...who?

Also, didn't I read that R.Ray won you 16 games last year? He's not a FA until '21 and apparently your whole team is stinking up the joint...why are we looking to move him? Sure A.Bradley moves the needle for most anybody but TB has 4-5 guys ready to come up and show they can/can't make it (not counting what they got/will get from Archer), you're not getting their athletes for him.

Ok, I've beat you up enough. Do me a favor and get a solid save on what you have and then sim the rest of the season. PM me where you are at that point and lets see if these guys can win some ball games given the chance to play together. You and I spent almost a whole Sunday putting this team together, I want to see what they can do!

P.S. I'm not a Peralta fan but I hear ya that you don't like Tomas swing. We can probably move one of those guys to give Verdugo some AB's but not at the price you're looking to sell. Also, young/exciting bullpen arms come from the farm, trading for them is extremely expensive...I'll be blown away shocked if you can't find a couple in the FA market for the '19 season that will fit your needs.

I usually go with a range. That's why it's super helpful if someone says they want an OF coming back to them, etc. That way I can find a guy that fits the range and position desired if possible

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[MrSerendipity]

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I don't know about Gamecock but I guess...a lot. I'll say this about your latest attempt to retool the Diamondbacks...it feels like you didn't fire anybody in the ARZ front office. Honestly, I don't like any of your deals. Not the least of which you're looking to trade almost half your MLB roster the year after you traded your star, stud and Cy Young contender.



I like Tate and Andujar. You have 2 guys that have a real shot at being decent ball players. However, I think you're crazy for trading Lamb. Cost controlled 3B studs in the NL go Bryant, Lamb and...who?



Also, didn't I read that R.Ray won you 16 games last year? He's not a FA until '21 and apparently your whole team is stinking up the joint...why are we looking to move him? Sure A.Bradley moves the needle for most anybody but TB has 4-5 guys ready to come up and show they can/can't make it (not counting what they got/will get from Archer), you're not getting their athletes for him.



Ok, I've beat you up enough. Do me a favor and get a solid save on what you have and then sim the rest of the season. PM me where you are at that point and lets see if these guys can win some ball games given the chance to play together. You and I spent almost a whole Sunday putting this team together, I want to see what they can do!



P.S. I'm not a Peralta fan but I hear ya that you don't like Tomas swing. We can probably move one of those guys to give Verdugo some AB's but not at the price you're looking to sell. Also, young/exciting bullpen arms come from the farm, trading for them is extremely expensive...I'll be blown away shocked if you can't find a couple in the FA market for the '19 season that will fit your needs.

I'm really trying to examine my window here. The future of this team is in guys like Happ, Robles, Verdugo, Tamada, Fedde, Reid-Foley, etc. I have a ton of blocked talent at the moment. Happ, Tamada and Drury all MLB ready second baseman. Under those guys at 2B/SS, I have Urena, Kieboom and Bichette who are each anywhere from 2-4 years away. Say I clear that up some and move Happ to Left Field (which is the ultimate plan). Happ, Robles, Verdugo, Tomas and Peralta are all MLB ready OF. I'm in the NL, so I can't DH any of those guys. Lamb is a great baseball player. He's also a player I average .167 with when I'm actually playing. Fedde is in the rotation, Reid-Foley and Banda are both ready and killing it in AAA. I also had my best draft in my many years of the show, reeling in multiple A pot players that will be ready by 2020.

So I'm just at a bit of a standstill, trying to find out where I go right now. I'm concerned that by the time my youngsters all grow up and are ready to contend, I'll have a rotation of 31 year old pitchers. As well as a bench of Tomas, Peralta, Drury and Owings by 2019. Even worse, I may have to send one of those guys down to AAA which doesn't make sense given their production. The one option I haven't explored is dealing some of the guys I traded for last year. Either way, sitting tight feels like it's going to cause issues.

[MrSerendipity]

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I usually go with a range. That's why it's super helpful if someone says they want an OF coming back to them, etc. That way I can find a guy that fits the range and position desired if possible

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To clarify, I wasn't intending to say I preferred an OF to a 3B. Rather I felt the deal should have included a 3rd player, like one of New York's many OF prospects. That's my failure on communicating that.

Regardless, I'll probably be stepping away from each of these deals as their seems to be a pretty negative consensus. I'll have to re-evaluate.

[hampshirestags]

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I'm really trying to examine my window here. The future of this team is in guys like Happ, Robles, Verdugo, Tamada, Fedde, Reid-Foley, etc. I have a ton of blocked talent at the moment. Happ, Tamada and Drury all MLB ready second baseman. Under those guys at 2B/SS, I have Urena, Kieboom and Bichette who are each anywhere from 2-4 years away. Say I clear that up some and move Happ to Left Field (which is the ultimate plan). Happ, Robles, Verdugo, Tomas and Peralta are all MLB ready OF. I'm in the NL, so I can't DH any of those guys. Lamb is a great baseball player. He's also a player I average .167 with when I'm actually playing. Fedde is in the rotation, Reid-Foley and Banda are both ready and killing it in AAA. I also had my best draft in my many years of the show, reeling in multiple A pot players that will be ready by 2020.

So I'm just at a bit of a standstill, trying to find out where I go right now. I'm concerned that by the time my youngsters all grow up and are ready to contend, I'll have a rotation of 31 year old pitchers. As well as a bench of Tomas, Peralta, Drury and Owings by 2019. Even worse, I may have to send one of those guys down to AAA which doesn't make sense given their production. The one option I haven't explored is dealing some of the guys I traded for last year. Either way, sitting tight feels like it's going to cause issues.

Let's start with the arms. You want bullpen pieces, think of what Ray, Bradly, Corbin (especially Corbin with his wipeout slider) could do in the bullpen. If any of your rooks get you double digit wins in year 1, I'll buy you a cheesburger (w/bacon). Your draft...if you're 30 points away from their potential (this is based on years past, not this years version of the game), you have a good probability of watching them fall.

We can move Tomas. He's an AL DH waiting to happen. Based on '17 needs you're looking at HOU/OAK or any AL Central (excluding possibly DET) team that is contending.

Last, but not least, you've rebuilt the farm. Congrats. It gets you 0 wins but now you have trade currency. With the budget we've freed up, I can only imagine you're targeting Harper to come back "home" in '19. Now you're set up to trade for a legit ace and win the division in '19, competing with...LAD? Do the sim, for me, I'll be back later tomorrow night and if you're not +3-5 over .500 in the second half, I'll work with you to get quality pieces for Ray/Bradley and something decent for Tomas.

Edit: I don't know how you play your franchise but I play 1 and sim 5 with no more than 3 MLB games per month (I alternate 1 game per month AAA/AA to play with the kids and make sure I can time the swing/delivery). If you can't hit with Lamb, and play a similar schedule, use your "push button" days to rest Lamb. He's too good to give up on but hasn't quite built enough value to get the haul he deserves.

[jdiaz891]

MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

I made a post a few pages ago about a maybe trading David Robertson and or Nate jones to the nationals or potentially to the Dbacks. But I saw hampshiretags saying Tomas is a DH waiting to happen so I'm wondering if it makes sense for Tomas to go to the white soxs


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[BigOscar]

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I made a post a few pages ago about a maybe trading David Robertson and or Nate jones to the nationals or potentially to the Dbacks. But I saw hampshiretags saying Tomas is a DH waiting to happen so I'm wondering if it makes sense for Tomas to go to the white soxs


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Tomas is expensive and has limited years left, he's kind of the guy a rebuilding team would be desperately trying to get rid of, not acquire.

[The Left Shark]

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Tomas is expensive and has limited years left, he's kind of the guy a rebuilding team would be desperately trying to get rid of, not acquire.

Eh depends. Depending on how long the contract is, they can pull a Braves and take on the bad contract + a prospect.

[jdiaz891]

MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

Eh depends. Depending on how long the contract is, they can pull a Braves and take on the bad contract + a prospect.

That's what I was thinking. I'm also going to try to trade Todd Frazier and Jose Abreu so I don't want to have such a thin lineup with no pop

EDIT: I'm also trying to figure out which team between the nationals and the Dbacks could net me the best package for David Robertson and Nate jones

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[Hinkleyyy]

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I'm in the first offseason with my Reds franchise and looking to move Votto. He had a great season last year and my team doesn't really need him as I'm not contending right now. So I'm thinking of trading with the Nationals, Angels(just signed Brantley, though i'd need to take Pujols' contract), or Astros. The Dodger just beat the Angels in the World series and those three teams all are playoff ready.

[sc050610]

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I am doing a 30-team control franchise and like make semi-realistic trades for teams based on their standings. I am in mid-June and its appearing that the Mets are just going to be middling team unless they improve their offense. They are 7 games out in the division and within 5 of the 2nd wild card spot. But they are bottom 5 in most offensive categories. As expected their pitching has been excellent except for Matt Harvey who did spend sometime on the DL for a hamstring issue but when healthy he has pitched to an ERA of 4.70 and WHIP of 1.33. Everyone else has been healthy and great for them. To me he seems he would be the odd man out with DeGrom, Syndergaard, Lugo, Matz, Gsellman (Filled in for Harvey and pitched to a 2.60 ERA and 1.11 WHIP in 5 starts) pitching great. Wheeler has been solid in long relief it appears.

What kind of return could I get the Mets for Harvey? Am I wrong for thinking that I could use Harvey as trade bait for a bat?

[MrSerendipity]

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Let's start with the arms. You want bullpen pieces, think of what Ray, Bradly, Corbin (especially Corbin with his wipeout slider) could do in the bullpen. If any of your rooks get you double digit wins in year 1, I'll buy you a cheesburger (w/bacon). Your draft...if you're 30 points away from their potential (this is based on years past, not this years version of the game), you have a good probability of watching them fall.

We can move Tomas. He's an AL DH waiting to happen. Based on '17 needs you're looking at HOU/OAK or any AL Central (excluding possibly DET) team that is contending.

Last, but not least, you've rebuilt the farm. Congrats. It gets you 0 wins but now you have trade currency. With the budget we've freed up, I can only imagine you're targeting Harper to come back "home" in '19. Now you're set up to trade for a legit ace and win the division in '19, competing with...LAD? Do the sim, for me, I'll be back later tomorrow night and if you're not +3-5 over .500 in the second half, I'll work with you to get quality pieces for Ray/Bradley and something decent for Tomas.

Edit: I don't know how you play your franchise but I play 1 and sim 5 with no more than 3 MLB games per month (I alternate 1 game per month AAA/AA to play with the kids and make sure I can time the swing/delivery). If you can't hit with Lamb, and play a similar schedule, use your "push button" days to rest Lamb. He's too good to give up on but hasn't quite built enough value to get the haul he deserves.

Alright, I've done as requested. I finished the season 63-99. Biggest goals over the off-season will be moving one of Tomas or Peralta to make room for Bryce Harper. I just offered Harper a 10 year, 310M contract but I haven't simmed to see if he has signed yet. I'm not picking up the contract on Owings and will allow him to hit Free Agency early. Lamb had a terrible second half and ended up going .215 with 14 HR and 58 RBI.

Verdugo and Yamada spent the 2018 season in AAA. Both will be called up in 2019, leaving this as my hopeful defensive lineup before trading anyone.

1B - Marwin Gonzalez
2B - Ian Happ
3B - Jake Lamb
SS - Tetsuto Yamada
LF - Alex Verdugo
CF - Victor Robles
RF - Bryce Harper
C - Walt Pedersen (2017 Draft Pick)

B - Spencer Kieboom
B - Mitch Moreland
B - Brandon Drury
B - Yasmany Tomas
B - David Peralta

If I sign Harper, I think it makes sense to become a buyer this off-season. I have a few valuable chips I can move. Richard Urena, Bo Bichette, Gavin Lux, Socrates Brito, Fritz Oakes (2017 Draft Selection | 20yr | 60 Ovr | High B), Max Pentecost and Andy Yerzy are all available as far as position players are concerned.

In terms of RP, I like your idea of moving some of my established vets into the bullpen over the next two-three years when my young guys are ready to leave the pen for the rotation. Also, does 10-12 with Fedde get me a cheeseburger? As far as FA RP's are concerned, Top 5 are A. Miller (CLE), S. Kelley (WAS), N. Cotts (WAS), S. Romo (WAS) and A. Sanchez (WAS). I think I could realistically pull one of those relievers from Washington, I just don't know which would be the most realistic. I'll have most, alongside Goldschmidt, resign with Washington as they've won a world series (2017) and made the NL Championship game (2018) over the past two years. This also kind of makes me wonder if WAS outbids me for Harper in this situation. They'd have to pay for both Harper and Goldschmidt.

[BZito75]

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Just wanted to ask the good folks of this thread a trade question:

I am using the reds. i was hoping EVENTUALLY this season to make a move to get Matz from the Mets. Now in real life, i know the Mets havent given up on him, especially with Noah being hurt. So when Matz is healthy, his value will increase 10 fold.

But this is video game land and was curious what it would take, in everyones eyes, to pull Matz away from flushing... side note, i already released Bronson Arroyo because.... well... Arroyo....

[scooterperpetual]

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Had 2 questions on potential trades.

1) Is there any way to get Lourdes Gurriel on the Astros? I know it isnt the most realistic but more of just proper value if I wanted to get him

2) Chris Archer to the Astros, I know there were some rumors about Archer being traded in the offseason and the price was high so curious what you guys think.

[Hinkleyyy]

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Just wanted to ask the good folks of this thread a trade question:

I am using the reds. i was hoping EVENTUALLY this season to make a move to get Matz from the Mets. Now in real life, i know the Mets havent given up on him, especially with Noah being hurt. So when Matz is healthy, his value will increase 10 fold.

But this is video game land and was curious what it would take, in everyones eyes, to pull Matz away from flushing... side note, i already released Bronson Arroyo because.... well... Arroyo....

In my Franchise at one moment thought of making a move for Matz/Wheeler, Montero, Rosario, Duda and Plawecki for Votto, Mesoraco and Duvall

[Tmizzle]

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I've looked at this twice and just can't make a case why either team would do this. Seattle just DFA'd speed and glove and if Buxton simply can't hit at the big league level (though I want to see 1000 AB's before I say that) then why would I trade for him, regardless of the package?

I didn't read too far back but did Castro break or something?

I think he just doesnt like hitting with Castro. It doesn't make much sense for realism

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Castro is having a hard time and his stats are not that great. Chirinos will most likely be the guy I try to get. I am giving Castro the rest of the month