MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

[kiwanuka123]

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Alone you're in the second tier of young pitchers (a year or two of arb left and something to prove) like Peralta, Pineda, McHugh, maybe Wheeler. Depending on the deal you might be able to get a small piece back.

Together you look at the next tier up like Duffy (before he signed his deal), Keuchel, Smyly, maybe Cole... you might have to add a small piece in this type of scenario however.

I'm shooting in the dark a little though, look around at those types of levels and see what you think.

It seems I'm a little lower on Tapia than Gamecock.

I like the idea of getting McHugh but would the Astros necessarily need Rogers? I'm thinking of going after a team that would have Rogers start in the future, like the Mets. Thoughts?

[dran1984]

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Don't hate me Hampshire. But Jones isn't that great anymore. You may have even overpaid with those 3

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I don't know, I see Jones as comparable to McCutchen. There was talk of Pittsburgh targeting a package similar to what the White Sox got for Eaton over the winter.

[dran1984]

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I like the idea of getting McHugh but would the Astros necessarily need Rogers? I'm thinking of going after a team that would have Rogers start in the future, like the Mets. Thoughts?

If you want to lock down the pen you could target Britton. I've actually been looking at putting together a deal involving Rodgers and Tapia and maybe Hoffman for Britton in my Orioles franchise.

Rodgers can take over for Hardy when his deal is up and Tapia could be used in left or center.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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I don't know, I see Jones as comparable to McCutchen. There was talk of Pittsburgh targeting a package similar to what the White Sox got for Eaton over the winter.

So McCutcheon is an was a superior player. McCutcheon is a year younger. Jones' best season ever was 5.5 WAR. McCutcheon has had 5 seasons hitting that threshold.

To do the math AC gave us the formula using 60% past year, 30% 2 years ago and 10% 3 years ago. That math gets us to a projection of 2.47 WAR per year for Jones. So we can expect Jones to be worth approximately $50 million in value. Then you take out the $35 million he is owed and that only leaves $15 million in surplus.

That same math for McCutcheon gives you an expectation of 2.84 WAR per year for Cutch. That means he's worth around $56.8 million before salary. He's owed $27 million so that leaves him around $30 million in surplus or basically twice as valuable as Jones.

If you want to lock down the pen you could target Britton. I've actually been looking at putting together a deal involving Rodgers and Tapia and maybe Hoffman for Britton in my Orioles franchise.

Rodgers can take over for Hardy when his deal is up and Tapia could be used in left or center.

Britton is good but you're thinking a bit too much of him. Brendan Rodgers alone is too much for Britton. He's better than the headliner the Yankees got for Andrew Miller. Rodgers is a top-15 prospect in baseball

A package of Rodgers, Tapia and Hoffman is worth $102 million in surplus value. That would get you Quintana, most of the way to Archer, etc. It is far, far too much for a closer regardless of their talent level

[hampshirestags]

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I like the idea of getting McHugh but would the Astros necessarily need Rogers? I'm thinking of going after a team that would have Rogers start in the future, like the Mets. Thoughts?

No, I was just trying to give you some idea of the type of pitcher you could look at. With Rosario beating down the door and N.Walker in his walk year, I think this could look good for the Mets. If COL is tanking and NYM is pushing, package Rogers with a bullpen piece that is throwing well and that is plenty to get you Wheeler and a lottery ticket from the Mets (assuming he is throwing like he is IRL... 1.2 WHIP - K per inning). When we get to this level of detail, lines help but regardless, you're in the ballpark.

Edit: Ahh, I see it now, it's Rogers not Tapia that we're not on the same page with. Either way, I'm fine without the bullpen piece from COL and include the previous lottery ticket from NYM. I can go either way with Rogers and since he has the glove to play both positions up the middle, it does add a bit more value to him.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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No, I was just trying to give you some idea of the type of pitcher you could look at. With Rosario beating down the door and N.Walker in his walk year, I think this could look good for the Mets. If COL is tanking and NYM is pushing, package Rogers with a bullpen piece that is throwing well and that is plenty to get you Wheeler and a lottery ticket from the Mets (assuming he is throwing like he is IRL... 1.2 WHIP - K per inning). When we get to this level of detail, lines help but regardless, you're in the ballpark.

Rodgers could get him better than Wheeler. Those 2 years he's missed burned into his team control. Rodgers is a top 10-15 prospect. He can headline a deal for most anyone. (Not Thor) He won't have to be used to get the Mets 5th best guy. Remember, when Wheeler was still recovering they offered him up for Jay Bruce. Bruce isn't that valuable

[hampshirestags]

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Britton is good but you're thinking a bit too much of him. Brendan Rodgers alone is too much for Britton. He's better than the headliner the Yankees got for Andrew Miller. Rodgers is a top-15 prospect in baseball

A package of Rodgers, Tapia and Hoffman is worth $102 million in surplus value. That would get you Quintana, most of the way to Archer, etc. It is far, far too much for a closer regardless of their talent level

For Britton you're looking at somewhere in between the Miller BOS-BAL package of E.Rodriquez and the Miller NY-CLE package of Frazier++. For realism sake, BAL has to be tanking otherwise, they are going to stay competitive and have to let him walk (providing the want to make a play at Manny, otherwise sign him to an extension and let Manny walk).

[dran1984]

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So McCutcheon is an was a superior player. McCutcheon is a year younger. Jones' best season ever was 5.5 WAR. McCutcheon has had 5 seasons hitting that threshold.

To do the math AC gave us the formula using 60% past year, 30% 2 years ago and 10% 3 years ago. That math gets us to a projection of 2.47 WAR per year for Jones. So we can expect Jones to be worth approximately $50 million in value. Then you take out the $35 million he is owed and that only leaves $15 million in surplus.

That same math for McCutcheon gives you an expectation of 2.84 WAR per year for Cutch. That means he's worth around $56.8 million before salary. He's owed $27 million so that leaves him around $30 million in surplus or basically twice as valuable as Jones.


Britton is good but you're thinking a bit too much of him. Brendan Rodgers alone is too much for Britton. He's better than the headliner the Yankees got for Andrew Miller. Rodgers is a top-15 prospect in baseball

A package of Rodgers, Tapia and Hoffman is worth $102 million in surplus value. That would get you Quintana, most of the way to Archer, etc. It is far, far too much for a closer regardless of their talent level

Look at what the Yankees got for half a season of Chapman. The value of closers is sky high in today's MLB. Britton was the best closer in baseball and has 2 years of control left, he should have more value then half a season of Chapman. Torres, the headliner of that deal is now the #2 prospect in baseball according to MLB.com.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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For Britton you're looking at somewhere in between the Miller BOS-BAL package of E.Rodriquez and the Miller NY-CLE package of Frazier++. For realism sake, BAL has to be tanking otherwise, they are going to stay competitive and have to let him walk (providing the want to make a play at Manny, otherwise sign him to an extension and let Manny walk).

That's a good place to look. Miller gave the Indians 2.5 years at a set salary of $9 million per year. So the Indians will pay $22.5 million for 2.5 years of him. Britton will cost more than that for his last 2 years. That extra year of being able to use him in the playoffs (sorry to open a wound Orioles fans) is super valuable. To use Colorado as the example the best you could get to headline would be one of Hoffman or Pint. Rodgers is completely off the table for Britton in my opinion

[HolyStroke3]

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Haha no I don't play with Arizona and have no connection to them, just feel like they have the offense to contend and the rotation is pretty solid. Greinke is currently #2 in the Cy Young race and Corbin is 8-2 with a 2.33 ERA.

1. I still feel it's light. Does he have to go to ARZ? We seem to be dumping their farm in your franchise, is this their last ditch effort before blowing it up? What is WAS doing? (or are you controlling ARZ and we're trying to win?)

Washington is now .5 ahead of NY in the East, Treinen is 23/28 on saves, 28 K in 31.2 IP in 34 appearances. Maybe they outbid Arizona? Or move Kelley to closer in the second half? He's 1-1 (but 1/3 saves) 2.01 ERA 1.05 WHIP 39 K in 31.1 IP. Rodney lost the closer role in Arizona early in the season (and is now out for the season with a head fracture). Hoover is closing now, he's 10/11 saves, 1.91 ERA 1.35 WHIP 38 K in 42.1 IP



4. If we could get TOR Blackmon and have them keep Alford, every Canadian in here might kiss us. This could be where a SRF/Urena type package (we just did something like this, I forget for who though...Pollock?) comes into play. You mentioned there is some time, let's get closer and see where TOR is in the standings before we give up half their farm.

TOR: CF C. Blackmon
COL: SP S. Reid-Foley (65 OVR/87 Pot./#2 Pros), SS R. Urena (57 OVR/80 Pot/#4 Pros), SP J. Gabryszwski (60 OVR/78 Pot/NR, 3-2 2.65 ERA 1.21 WHIP 74.2 IP in AA)



8. CIN has a SS of the future in Rodriguez (they gave him 7mm when he came over from Cuba) and you can never have too many arms. Especially when one of them is an A POT former basketball playing project (heavy sarcasm here). Plus, if we're giving them Ahmed...

Rodriguez might be a little underrated in the game, he's 59 OVR/73 Pot. Their #24 prospect Blake Trahan actually has higher potential (77). What about Marcos Molina (62 OVR/78 Pot/#13 Pros) along with Montero and Cecchini?



11. I really don't see it. I might be too high on Braun but, especially if they're competitive and will get better next year, why move him? Plus, I just don't think SF has the pieces. I'm willing to defer though, that contract is a beast for a small market club.

I'll put this one on the back burner till the end of the month. Parker is hitting .230/.325/.393 9 HR 28 RBI, Upton doing terrible in AAA and out with a broken leg, and the CPU has bumped Williamson down to AA. SF is currently 12th in the NL is average, 14th in runs, 14th in home runs, 13th in slugging (6.5 GB in the division and 4 in the WC)



13. Miller is in A ball on my roster (though I'm using OSFM 1.75). As a matter of fact, I want to do a little more research on this one (I looked at all 14 deals in a hour, I think I'm light on this...I might want all 3). Again, I'm starting to noticed a trend...if you're not controlling ARZ, do you have family there?

I'm using OSFM V.1. Arizona's farm is taking a hit, but it's not very strong to begin with so these aren't top rated prospects they're dealing. In the draft they got and 18 year old first baseman in round 1 thats 70 OVR/92 Potential (3B secondary position) and 74 OVR/78 pot LF, a 70 OVR/74 Pot RP, plus two more low rated C potential position players



14. I'm ok with this. But I like Richards and his UCL is still connected in your franchise. Gamecock was talking about Weaver as well so I think this is a good compromise.

This is one where I'd lean to an overpay, but seems like there's enough talent here to interest LAA

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Look at what the Yankees got for half a season of Chapman. The value of closers is sky high in today's MLB. Britton was the best closer in baseball and has 2 years of control left, he should have more value then half a season of Chapman. Torres, the headliner of that deal is now the #2 prospect in baseball according to MLB.com.

1st off, the Cubs were literally one piece away and everyone understands they overpaid. 2nd, Chapman is better than Britton. I don't really think I should have to elaborate on that but I can if I need to. 3rd, Britton cost more in salary so that also hampers him.

Is every pitcher better than Shelby Miller worth more than Dansby Swanson, Ender Inciarte and Aaron Blair?

[dran1984]

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For Britton you're looking at somewhere in between the Miller BOS-BAL package of E.Rodriquez and the Miller NY-CLE package of Frazier++. For realism sake, BAL has to be tanking otherwise, they are going to stay competitive and have to let him walk (providing the want to make a play at Manny, otherwise sign him to an extension and let Manny walk).

In my mindset, I'm looking at the smart thing for Baltimore. The have virtually no prospects to speak of and after 2018 a god majority of the core will hit free agency. I feel they can trade Britton and maybe Jones and stay competitive as they reload. They sign Manny to an extension and build around him.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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I hear ya but he's a 20 yr. old in high A ball. He hasn't done squat yet. I'll concede I may be too high on Wheeler (I don't have the rosters in front of me to see his ratings) but we're still looking at a highly rated "prospect" who...as I've been reading in the last few minutes, may have to move to 2b for good.

That being said, NYM have a ton of arms on the farm, we can put a decent one in to equal out the value in the middle somewhere.

Gleybar Torres started last year in A+ and Rodgers has outhit him at A ball and A+. I don't see why someone would be down on Rodgers. Plus, 2nd is still a premium position. It isn't stopping Yoan Moncada from being a high end prospect

[MOJOMORRO]

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As the Padres, do I have any bullpen pieces to pair with someone like a Spangenburg or someone to get a Chad Kuhl, Mitch Keller, and maybe one other lower level prospect (Diaz, Frazier)

[hampshirestags]

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Gleybar Torres started last year in A+ and Rodgers has outhit him at A ball and A+. I don't see why someone would be down on Rodgers. Plus, 2nd is still a premium position. It isn't stopping Yoan Moncada from being a high end prospect

You caught me before I could delete it. I was trying to justify why I was low on Rogers, not the way to approach that debate.