MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

[GamecocksLaw17]

Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

Garrett spent 4 years 400+ IP in the minors and showed me a FIP of 4+. Judge spent 2 years 1500+ PA's and showed me wRC+ of 140+. Haniger spent 4 years to get his 1500+ PA's and showed me...eh, I'm not averaging that out but less than 140. Fangraphs tells us Judge is FV55 and Haniger is FV40 and a year older. Garrett is FV45, a pitcher and a year younger than Judge.

Judge >> Haniger <> Garrett. The way I see it. We're not going to value players on 1 month of sample but when has Garrett shown anything the level of FV55?

P.S. I'm cheating a little, you're on your mobile and I looked stuff up.

Garret was a college basketball player so he isn't a finished product. He only started focusing on baseball in 2015. His FIP those 2 years were 2.90 in A+, 2.50 in AA and he was worse in AAA with a 4.14.

Haniger changed his swing last season. That resulted in a 156 wRC+ in AA and a 185 wRC+ in AAA. He only had an 81 wRC+ in his cup of tea last year but can play center which is important. He did the Pollock, Justin Turner, Josh Donaldson loft in his swing change

Judge is good but he isn't untouchable by any means.

Those FV that pop up on Fangraphs are from back when Kiley McDaniels was there so like 2015 or so. On Longenhagen's top 100 he had Judge at #61 and Garrett at #65 so I don't think the gap is quite as large as you think.

[hampshirestags]

Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

So im looking at 4-5 players for him??

Including some really good prospects but not Moncada

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using Operation Sports mobile app

Agreed. You can keep Moncada and still get this done but it's going to cost you 2 of Giolito/Kopech/Lopez/Fulmer/Burdi and 1 prospect athlete and possibly a throw in. He's got something like 2 years of arb left? The elite bullpen market has exploded and these kind of guys are expensive.

[hampshirestags]

Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

Garret was a college basketball player so he isn't a finished product. He only started focusing on baseball in 2015. His FIP those 2 years were 2.90 in A+, 2.50 in AA and he was worse in AAA with a 4.14.

Haniger changed his swing last season. That resulted in a 156 wRC+ in AA and a 185 wRC+ in AAA. He only had an 81 wRC+ in his cup of tea last year but can play center which is important. He did the Pollock, Justin Turner, Josh Donaldson loft in his swing change

Judge is good but he isn't untouchable by any means.

Those FV that pop up on Fangraphs are from back when Kiley McDaniels was there so like 2015 or so. On Longenhagen's top 100 he had Judge at #61 and Garrett at #65 so I don't think the gap is quite as large as you think.

I didn't say Judge was untouchable, I said he was untouchable by the Reds. I also think we can somewhat agree that rankings, after the top 20, are a crap shoot. Judge was only in the minors for 2 years, I take that in account when looking at ranking. I also look at Garrett being in the minors for 400 IP and conceding lefties develop slower (even basketball players) still haven't seen enough to talk about him in the same breath as Judge. You can't teach 6'7" 280. Apples to apples, Judge is closer to Haniger while I still see Garrett as a project. Why would I trade Judge for him unless you're really coming strong with something else when I can buy a lefty or put Judge in a package for a proven commodity?

[GamecocksLaw17]

Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

I didn't say Judge was untouchable, I said he was untouchable by the Reds. I also think we can somewhat agree that rankings, after the top 20, are a crap shoot. Judge was only in the minors for 2 years, I take that in account when looking at ranking. I also look at Garrett being in the minors for 400 IP and conceding lefties develop slower (even basketball players) still haven't seen enough to talk about him in the same breath as Judge. You can't teach 6'7" 280. Apples to apples, Judge is closer to Haniger while I still see Garrett as a project. Why would I trade Judge for him unless you're really coming strong with something else when I can buy a lefty or put Judge in a package for a proven commodity?

I don't think either team would do it to be honest. But it isn't like Judge is a known commodity. If you look at the first 150 PA of Jeff Francouer's career it looks pretty promising. That's why we just don't see prospect for prospect deals. No team likes to give up their own because they trust their own scouts more than other team's scouts.

Also just another thing to think about. Has there ever been a productive MLB player who was 6'7" or taller? I mean Richie Sexson is probably the best guy that tall, and he wasn't that great. I think that size is actually a negative. It creates a huge strike zone and makes it to where if he starts to gain weight as he ages he could easily bump up to like 330 and be forced into DH or 1B and out of the OF

[hampshirestags]

Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

Agreed. You can keep Moncada and still get this done but it's going to cost you 2 of Giolito/Kopech/Lopez/Fulmer/Burdi and 1 prospect athlete and possibly a throw in. He's got something like 2 years of arb left? The elite bullpen market has exploded and these kind of guys are expensive.

Whoops, sorry...trying to catch up. Gamecock has you, continue on...

[hampshirestags]

Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

I don't think either team would do it to be honest. But it isn't like Judge is a known commodity. If you look at the first 150 PA of Jeff Francouer's career it looks pretty promising. That's why we just don't see prospect for prospect deals. No team likes to give up their own because they trust their own scouts more than other team's scouts.

Also just another thing to think about. Has there ever been a productive MLB player who was 6'7" or taller? I mean Richie Sexson is probably the best guy that tall, and he wasn't that great. I think that size is actually a negative. It creates a huge strike zone and makes it to where if he starts to gain weight as he ages he could easily bump up to like 330 and be forced into DH or 1B and out of the OF

Agreed which is why I said no to the Reds. Could he be had? Of course, this is MLB. By the Reds? No way.

Dave Winfield and Stanton come to mind but they are both listed at 6'6" so technically...no. Is it rare...yes. Did this guy get rushed through the minors with numbers that show he's capable? Absolutely. Do I agree with you that his body probably breaks down quickly...yeah.

[MrSerendipity]

Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

I signed Yamada for 5 mill. I figure I'll continue to give him 5 mill through year 3, when I'll pay him obnoxiously. That realistic? I know we said signings for these guys would be wonky.

This isn't Trade related per say so let me know if I need to take this to the Franchise thread. How do you guys realistically handle bringing up recruits. Many of the recruits I traded for have 2018 ETA's on MLB and Baseball America. Should I plan for them to be on the opening day roster next year? Bring them up sporadically throughout the next season? It's hard for me to judge development outside of overall and performance in the minors.


Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports

[hampshirestags]

Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

I signed Yamada for 5 mill. I figure I'll continue to give him 5 mill through year 3, when I'll pay him obnoxiously. That realistic? I know we said signings for these guys would be wonky.

This isn't Trade related per say so let me know if I need to take this to the Franchise thread. How do you guys realistically handle bringing up recruits. Many of the recruits I traded for have 2018 ETA's on MLB and Baseball America. Should I plan for them to be on the opening day roster next year? Bring them up sporadically throughout the next season? It's hard for me to judge development outside of overall and performance in the minors.


Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports

That's your guy, you spent your money on him. Done deal. Enjoy him.

We try to stick to player value/trade scenarios in this thread but the 1-off question never hurt anybody, especially when I could see others have a similar question and there is enough experience in this thread to answer it. As long as we don't go a page deep into it or the mods come in and say something, I personally have no problem with it.

I bring guys up slowly after they catch fire in AAA. For example, I would keep Tomas and bring Verdugo up slowly getting him 15AB's or so a week v. RH. As long as I see a 50-60 point difference in his AVG and OBP, I'll keep feeding him AB's. If he slumps bad, don't be afraid to use an option and send him back down. Get him 300-400 AB's in his first full year up and he should be good to go from that point on. Pitchers rarely get put in the rotation. Start in the bullpen and use judgement from there. If he gets 3-4 lockdown appearances, he's ready for the rotation. Again, don't be afraid to use an option.

[billyboy316]

Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

From a 50k ft view, I don't have a problem with this. The further you get along in a franchise, the tougher these things get without actually sitting in front of the console and digging through the numbers. I have significant issue with Archer/Gray straight up but such is life with CPU management and not catching it with 30 team control. Nothing can be done about that now.

Frankly, you should be able to swap out young Mr. Olson for a high C prospect from the same draft (maybe your next round pick?) and still be ok.

Ok thanks for the response. I kept Olson to kind of repay them for the archer deal lol.

[MrSerendipity]

Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

My final post on the International Free Agents. Pretty disgusted at the moment. Signed Tamada to my Diamondbacks 'Chise and Otani to the Marlins. Assigned them both to A Ball for Realism. Both retired at the end of the year for a poor Free Agent Market.

[bravesfan1984]

Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

My final post on the International Free Agents. Pretty disgusted at the moment. Signed Tamada to my Diamondbacks 'Chise and Otani to the Marlins. Assigned them both to A Ball for Realism. Both retired at the end of the year for a poor Free Agent Market.

What point during the season did you sign them? If I remember from last year, you had to sign them before the draft in June to ensure they didn't retire. Not sure if that's still the case or not.

[MrSerendipity]

Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

What point during the season did you sign them? If I remember from last year, you had to sign them before the draft in June to ensure they didn't retire. Not sure if that's still the case or not.

That is what I get for being realistic. Signed them July 2nd.

[bravesfan1984]

Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

That is what I get for being realistic. Signed them July 2nd.

I believe the reason for it was because all the incoming draft picks take the place of FA's. Could be wrong though, but I hope signing them before the draft is still a work around.

[kenp86]

Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

My final post on the International Free Agents. Pretty disgusted at the moment. Signed Tamada to my Diamondbacks 'Chise and Otani to the Marlins. Assigned them both to A Ball for Realism. Both retired at the end of the year for a poor Free Agent Market.

I put Tamada on my Mets and Otani on my Angels. Left both in AAA first year. Now start of second year theyre bith starting.

[japsubie]

Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

Playing as the Red Sox, really looking to move Stephen wright somewhere and fill his spot with another reliever who I could get some years out of. Not sure where to start as I haven't kept up on baseball in years and finally had the time to get the show this year.

My question is, who are some good options to trade wright for that would have decent age and I could get 2-3 solid years out of? Don't need prospects for the RP position.


Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports